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Please read all of this before posting your response, thank you. ~Dami~

Leacht Abhartach
"In the north Derry area, between the towns of Garvagh and Dungiven, a district known as Glenuilin (glen of the eagle) might give us a clue as to Dracula's origins. In the middle of a field in the remote townland of Slaughtaverty, is an area known locally as the 'Giant's Grave' but which may be more properly described as Leacht Abhartach (Abhartach's sepulchre). On the grave itself is a curling thorn bush under which lies a large and heavy stone. Originally there were more stones, the remnants of an old monument, but these have been removed over time by local farmers for building purposes. There is little doubt that the sepulchre was once an imposing place and that it has given the townland its name. But who was Abhartach?

During the fifth and sixth centuries, the Glenullin area was a patchwork of petty kingdoms, each with its own local ruler or 'king'. These kings may have been little more than tribal warlords and there is ample evidence of their rule, for the countryside is dotted with hill forts, ancient raths and early fortifications which marked their respective territories. Abhartach, according to tradition, was one of these chieftains.

Local descriptions of him vary. Some say that he was a dwarf, others that he was deformed in some way, but most agree that he was a powerful wizard and was extremely evil. So evil, in fact, that those over whom he ruled wished to get rid of him.

However, so terrified of him were they that they would not kill him themselves and so they persuaded another chieftain, Cathán, to perform the deed for them. Cathán slew Abhartach and buried him standing up in an isolated grave. However, the following day Abhartach returned, evil as ever and demanded a bowl of blood, drawn from the veins of his subjects, in order to sustain his vile corpse. In great terror, the people asked Cathán to slay him once more. This Cathán did, burying the corpse as before. But the following day, Abhartach returned again, demanding the same gory tribute from his people.

Cathán was puzzled and, depending upon the variant of the folktale, consulted either a local druid or an early Christian saint, as to why Abhartach could not be killed. There are several 'hermitages' in the area, according to tradition the dwellings of particularly holy men. The most notable is in Gortnamoyagh Forest on the very edge of Glenullin where local people will still point out 'the saint's track'-a series of stations near to a holy well. Close by was said to have been the hermitage of a saint known as Eoghan or John who is credited with founding a place of Christian worship in the area (the site is still known as Churchtown although any related foundation has long since vanished). A 'footprint' on a stony prominence in the forest is also attributed to this saint and it is said that from here he flew from Gortnamoyah to say Mass in his own foundation. His name further appears in several local placenames -Killowen in Coleraine (about fifteen miles away) and Magilligan (about twenty miles away). It was to this saint that Cathán is believed to have gone. The venerable old man listened long and hard to the chieftain's tale.

One of the neamh-mhairbh
'Abhartach is not really alive', he told the astonished Cathán. 'Through his devilish arts he has become one of the neamh-mhairbh [the undead]. Moreover, he is a dearg-dililat, a drinker of human blood. He cannot actually be slain but he can be restrained.' He then proceeded to give Cathán instructions as to how to 'suspend' the vampiric creature. Abhartach must be slain with a sword made from yew wood and must be buried upside down in the earth, thorns and ash twigs must be sprinkled around him and a heavy stone must be placed directly on top of him. Should the stone be lifted, however, the vampire would be free to walk the earth once more.

Cathán returned to Glenullin and did what the holy man told him. Abhartach was slain with a wooden sword and was buried upside down with thorns placed all around the gravesite. On top of the actual grave, Cathán built a great leacht or sepulchre which could be seen for miles around. This has now vanished but the stone remains and a tree, which grew from the scattered thorns, rises above it.

The land on which the grave is sit-uated has acquired a rather sinister reputation over the generations. Locally it is considered to be 'bad ground' and has been the subject of a number of family disagreements over the years. In 1997, attempts were made to clear the land and if local tradition is to be believed workmen who attempted to cut down the tree found that their brand-new chain-saw stopped without reason on three occasions. When attempting to lift the great stone, a steel chain suddenly snapped, cutting the hand of one of the labourers and, significantly, allowing blood to soak into the ground. Although legends still abound in the locality of the 'man who was buried three times' and of a fantastic treasure which was buried with him, few local people will approach the grave, especially after dark!

The historian and folk-lorist Patrick Weston Joyce who actually made connections between Abhartach and the Irish vampire tradition. Joyce enthusiastically recounted the legend in his own book A History of Ireland (Dublin 1880). This was seventeen years before Dracula was published and it is believed that Stoker, then a Dublin civil servant, read Joyce's work (and presumably the Abhartach legend) with some relish. Around the same time, manuscript copies of Geoffrey Keating's History of Ireland [which made much of the neamh-mhairbh, the un-dead] were placed on public display in the National Museum in Dublin. They were on loan from Trinity College Library (which possessed two manuscript copies) and the display included chapter ten on the undead. Although Stoker himself could not read Irish, he had many friends and acquaintances who did and he may have received at least part of the work in translation."

My question is this, aside from Lilith, (as I have not found enough historical information as to the validity of the claim she is the first ... yet), after having read this and the generalized public opinion of Vlad Tepes being the first “Vampire” ... What are your theories as to the true historical background or being of the first "Vampire"? It would be helpful if people would give supporting facts or beliefs so we can discuss them throughout the thread.

"Giant's Grave"
(And yes I did cross refrence this with other sites)

Vlad Tepes



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*bump*

I am researching a few things on this tomorrow...

this shouldnt be to the second page so fast



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this is very interesting.



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wow i need to check this out its very good



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this is interresting im gonna have check it out



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Wow. That is very interesting.... I'll probably end up going to check it out as well...



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this is very interesting and i think i will have to check it out too!



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very interesting.....I am interested in hearing more of this...



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Okay not to be a thread nazi or anything... but can we move past the "this is interesting line" and start to post some information. I am still looking up somethings to have some facts on what I believe.



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Wow, how rude!!!

I happen to think this is a terrific subject in which to discuss. I do not know much about vampires and the like and enjoy learning as much as I can. I for one am looking forward to seeing what else people can find on the subject.



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I wonder myself as I read the information and some other things I have found. If it is true that the older a Vampire is the stronger thier strengths become then he very well could have been the first Vampire. Espically since people were terrified of him and would not kill him themself. But, then again while reading these two paragraphs:

This one also has the more specific name of Leacht Abhartach (Abhartach's sepulchre). According to folk tradition, Abhartach was a fifth or sixth century petty king or chieftain with an evil reputation for sorcery. His terrified subjects prevailed upon Catha'n, a neighbouring chieftain, to get rid of him. Catha'n slew the wizard and buried him standing up in an isolated grave; but Abhartach returned the following day and demanded a bowl of blood, drawn from his subjects' veins, to sustain his corpse. Catha'n killed and buried him again, but the indefatigable man reappeared, demanding his cup of blood as before. Catha'n now consulted either a local Druid or a Christian saint-- there are variation in the tale--and was told that Abhartach had become one of the neamh-mhairbh (the undead) and a dearg-diu'lai' (a drinker of human blood).

He could not be killed, but could be put under restraint. He had to be run through with a sword made from yew wood, buried upside-down surrounded by thorns and ash twigs, and his grave surmounted by a heavy stone. Catha'n followed these instructions and the people of Glenullin ceased to be unwilling blood donors. In 1997, attempts were made to clear the land; in conformity with folklore, workmen who attempted to cut down the thorn tree arching across Abhartach's sepulchre allegedly had their chain saw malfunction three times. While attempting to lift the great stone, a steel chain snapped, cutting the hand of one of the labourers, and ominously, allowing blood to soak into the ground. Mr Curran himself suffered "a severe and inexplicable fall" after visiting the site. During a lecture in 1961, the Registrar of the National Folklore Commission, Sea'n O' Suilleabha'in, mentioned a site which he called Du'n Dreach-Fhoula (pronounced droc'ola) or Castle of the Blood Visage.

I wonder as to how the simple blood of a mortal would turn him immortal. To be that would just not be enough. Its seems as though there is a missing link somewhere with the story. If you could be immortal just from the drink of a mortal then there would be alot more immortals running around.



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Ok... not that I say a whole lot to AngelPie.. but girls gotta point there.
Right on.

Moonie: BLESS YOU.
I dont have anything on this subject and its not often I actually read the entirety of some of these threads BECAUSE the posts are so long...
But this one I read.
This one I liked.
I'd like to see more as well as what people (with several exceptions....O_o) think... in a rational, educationally controlled manner.

;)

Right on, girls.



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Irish folklore is always based in fact: Leprechauns existed, and far from being evil, were butchered for their gold and their property by tall people. And then tall people depict the dwarf as sinister! Let's look at the hall of fame for evil wizards: Abhartach, Mime, Rumpelstiltskin, the whole race of Leprechauns. I am not paranoid, but I think that one height challenged group is over-represented here. Sigh, the cow's milk's sour, let's round up the usual suspects, and out goes the net for dwarfs.



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Hecks Dami! guzzhar! this site is less than 20 miles from me, and I never knew about it! wow!

*Emmy lifts Dami and gives her a little swing* Yay doll, I must get over there and take some photographs!



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that is really interesting man really i think that is aweosme!!!!!!!!



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Unkyjuan, you and I are the same: egocentric anthropomorphisms, our minds without refinement but shifty with low cunning. We are also different. I know I have no god-given right to voice an opinion, while you suffer an inability to grasp that one's birth did not transform the world. Unkyjuan you are the definition of immaturity, and it is about time you grew up. Until you grow up you will be forever tied to the lunar chilliness of loneliness.

As for sleeping pills, Dami's thought-exploring monologues keep me up, they are so full of vivid sensousness. Dami I find your bedtime stories the most attractive.



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How did I miss this thread? This is a fascinating piece - thank you Dami, for taking the time to research it and then to post it. I have something to research tonight. *grin*



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I do not have any research to back up my beliefs that I can share with you. My learning and knowledge comes from ancient texts that are not even in my possession, they must be under lock and cover when not being read by elders. My knowledge comes from ancient hand written record-keeping. I believe that there are different tribes/clans/households whatever name you wish to give it.. with vastly different histories. Praytell dami darlingk.. just because one cannot give a website.. does that mean their history is not to be discussed? btw.. You go countess.. be the thread nazi lol. helps keep out the rif raf. sorta.



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so is anyone going to actually answer the question?

personally... i don't think that "vampire" has any set format or specification. and this story is simply another piece of questionable evidence towards building a picture of the "first"

dracula by stoker was fictional and really shouldn't be taken into account. the story of lilith is also questionable. supposed to fit in with the bible (a big questionable thing in itself) but it's cut out from the bible and has other stories with it.

to be honest. the only particular aspect of vampires that are true are that they lack energy.

that's just about the only quality.



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* bumpity bump bump*



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Hey Em how about sending us some pics so we can see it.
I'm also like Khay i read but don't really take in many of the extra long threads,and even though i'm on the busy side right now i will be making time to try to research this....thanks for peeking my interest for a change Dami*smooches*



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The thornbush at Abhartach's tomb (leacht abhartach) from which the townland of Slaughtaverty, County Derry, takes its name.
Photograph: Paul Nash, History Ireland


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very interesting Dami



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*bump*



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As soon as my studies and the examinations are over I'll get the photos to share with you people yes. Just give me a while to get back to plain sailing over here ;) Then the job is a good one.



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really very interesting, thanx Dami :)



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wow, very interesting,Dami.



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wondering why countess is bumpping around in the dark.. but awesome to return to the site and see more info.. cool dami..



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Cool!!



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Interesting I'll have to check that out.



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kewl stuff there Demi, i think its neat that you have that info, i never knew about it until now. sweet!

i just wish i was able to go to these places personally to see and feel the vibes give off in that place, it would probally give me chills. >:D



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i will have to check in on this myself.....



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Forsees many days in the rare books
room of his library in his near future.



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I agree with you crusader. I shall also be in research



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This is extremely interesting...



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* raises eyebrow*

All you people said you had research to do.. did you do your homework?

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It isn't 10pm yet Moonie! :P I don't start homework until the last minute...

Great bumpin' skills by the way!



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Hmm... half the sites I want to get on are blocked! I guess the parental block went back on. It's strange that all these occult sites are blocked but, this one isn't...



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AnnLee
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hummmm been looking into it and havent found much more ..........countess what have you found bumping around? anything exciting.....xo



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this is interesting i mite get some info on this



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