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We all have different opinions about vampires. Please described what "you" believe to be a vampire, whether "real" or "fictional". There is no wrong answer because it is your belief.




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A vampire is a human that practices ceremonial magic to invocate angels or demons to do their bidding and drinks human blood to increase their power in ceremonial magic.



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Vampires are fictional characters in novels and movie. that drain the blood from their victims and turn them into the living dead.

There could be countless posts on this, whether we go with the culture of energy feeding or blood, here.
Traits in which one thinks they could be or are a vampire?



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Proclaiming oneself a vampire has all the hallmarks of a fringe religion, complete with factions.



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My OPINION for those crazy haters/attackers:
Vampire in my head, and i believe in most of the readers head to, is what folk/lores and stories of one specifically details, Is that creature that drink blood and only that, to subtends his survival, the one that hold special physical abilities and some other mental one like glamour or mind reading based in terms of the"fictional"phenomena. Those who practice the ritual of consuming blood and summoning demons and spirits, has nothing to do with the denomination of the thing, is like i take for example the Microsoft Windows logo name and make another thing with it, when everyone knows is from that company previously, and be like confused and bitching, your adopting the name, to describe another thing apart of that just because you feel you are like that. You can’t just adopt a name if it’s not like its being described for centuries, and the idea is latent in everyone’s head. Now if you tell me you are part of the vampire lifestyle community, that’s another thing apart, people can take that and respect it, on the other hand people proclaim to be a vampire by those presented descriptions of consuming blood and raising spirits from beyond, people think you are just a human/sang saying you’re a traditional vampire denomination, and others will see them as a wannabe vampire or role-playing rather than the serious aspect of the respect the real vampire community deserves like any other religion or sect.



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Accountability of fraternity, or Society is what fringe sects use to splinter, "satilights of faiths" sampling spiritual collectives, are subject to laxer, more sensational (emotionally) alluring. Promising being asended above the "fold".

A community , collective based on symbolism and the Slavic Upir Academic presentation of vampire lore, and related lifestyles, the same ones that a faction present on VR denounces, are far more educate and consistent in there person, relative to perceived reality.



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In the real sense, I believe there are sang, and psi vampires.As in those that feed on blood and/or energy to feel complete and ballanced.
I myself am a hybrid but don't feel quite as well unless I sang feed.



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NyghtSkye
That’s an understandable statement, and something everyone has to respect, because it’s your belief and ideals, no one has to counter respond that assumption, but do you consider yourself a vampire?, or a sanguinarian? That’s the issue that most people don’t comprehend.



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If I Was Your Vampire by: Marilyn Manson (Set to vampire anime theme).

Mythical vampires
Psychotic vampires
Animal vampires
Human Living Vampires
Psychic vampires
Sanguinarians
Blood Fetishists
Vampire gamers
Vampire hunters
Vampyres
Vampiric community
Medical vampires


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I am Sanguine of a blood drinker, however I can survive without drinking blood because I am also a Psychic vampyre, consciously or unconsciously draining life-energy rather than blood from others. Those are the two types I focus most of my interest on as they are what pertain most to me and my lifestyle. However you can go to the site who's source I listed under the vampyre types list for more information on all of the above types of vampyres to find out more about exatly what a vampyre is.


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---What are the signs of vampirism? What abilities do vampires have?

In my experience:

Heightened senses, to one degree or another.
Such as:
Better hearing-being able to hear higher or lower-pitched frequencies, as well as things that are ‘quieter’ than most people can hear;
-better sight;
-the sense of touch is quite sensitive, you just seem to feel things better than most;
-more heightened sense of smell, as in you can still smell someone’s perfume in a room, even after they’ve been gone for days, it simply seems to linger, as well as seeming able to identify and pick out scents most people can’t;
-sense of taste is quite remarkable.
-This is not to say that all vampires have every sense to an “Nth” degree. My eyesight is bad, so I have to wear contacts. But, for the most part, these senses are exceptionally heightened.
-Quicker reflexes
-Some sort of blood-lust (in the case of Sanguinarius vamps) and/or a need to feed off of some sort of energy (in the case of PsyVamps)
-An affinity for the dark; dislikes being in the daylight
-Functions better at night-most seem to be more awake after the sun goes down; you can think better at night; etc
-Some sort of ‘allergic’ reaction to the sun (whether it can or cannot be diagnosed by medical science is up to debate)
-Some variety of Empathy
-Better-than-average or ’strange’ nightvision
-An awareness of energies most people don’t notice
-Weaker-than-average immune system if they haven’t fed; stronger-than-average if they have
-An odd mix of a desire to be around crowds and a mild(or stronger) case of social anxiety disorder; this is usually due to the Empathic abilities a lot of us have. Too many thoughts and emotions invading all at once
-An unusual gracefulness that seems to manifest at odd times
-Depending on the situation, many seem to display traits and characteristics reminiscent of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder). Frequently, this very well could be a manifistation of past lives making themselves known.
-An ability to pick people out of a crowd who seem to be ‘different’… unusual energies or what have you. This also goes with vampires being able to pick each other out.
-“Mood eyes”; eyes that seem to change color with one’s emotions
-Physically stronger in certain situations. This is not to say they could pick up a car and throw it a hundred feet because they get annoyed, of course. But, for some reason, their strength seems to get better depending on the situation; *especially* in an emergency or in a dangerous situation.
-Extreme cravings for unusual foods or which food doesn’t seem to satisfy. You may wake up at 4:30 am and have an odd craving for banana pudding. You just woke up, and *needed* banana pudding at that moment. Or, for some reason, you want coconut milk on your cereal instead of regular milk. Odd little things that, for some reason, you just cannot explain. I know, one night, I woke up –woke up completely– from REM sleep and needed pizza right now. It was about 5am, and I *needed* that pizza.
Unexplainable, frequent headaches
-Never seems to get enough sleep (insomnia). It doesn’t matter how much you sleep, or how little . . . you just never seem to be able to get enough sleep some days. Or, you’ll have days where you’re up for longer than 24 hours and, no matter what you do, cannot force yourself to sleep.
-Seems to heal more quickly than others (when well-fed). A cut or scratch seems to heal in a matter of hours (or overnight) as opposed to a few days. If you catch a cold or the flu, you seem to recover quicker than most people, if you have the energy available for your body to accomplish this.
-Seems to experience symptoms similar to the flu (except with no fever) when they haven’t fed frequently enough
Some sort of ‘artistic’ talent-be it poetry, writing, drawing, computer work, etc.-that seem to come out of nowhere
-Higher than average intelligence
-Seems to suffer from some variety of depression or bipolar disorder. This “symptom” and the one above seem to connect. It’s that whole “There is a fine line between genius and madness” thing. Me, I have a high I.Q. I also have bi-polar disorder. Most vamps I have met in my life seem to have high intelligence, and some sort of depression.
-Some variety of one or more ‘mental abilities’-empathy, telepathy, aura sight, precognition, etc.
-A strange ability to ‘hide in plain sight’. You just don’t want to be seen. And, for some reason, even though you’re in the middle of a large crowd . . . no one seems to even notice you. And this “ability” seems to fluctuate at odd times. Usually, though, it manifests during serious stressful situations where you just cannot “handle” things anymore for a while. It also, however, has a habit of ‘going off’ when you don’t necessarily want to remain unnoticed.

---I have X number of those traits… does that mean I *am* a vampire?

Maybe, maybe not. I have met several vampires that do not have more than one or two of these traits; then again, I’ve come across vampires who seem to have them all. I’ve also come across ‘normal humans’ that seem to display most of these traits. In the end, the only one who can *really* decide if you are or not, is you.

---Where can I meet a vampire?

Anywhere, really. At school, at work, in the grocery store. The tricky part is *recognizing* when you meet them. Usually, though, a vampire is not going to come up to you and say, ‘Hi, my name is Bob, and I’m a vampire.’

---Can I pick a vampire out of a crowd?

That depends on how perceptive you are and if you know what to look for… and, up to a point, whether or not the vampire *wants* to be recognized as such.

---Can vampires pick each other out?

Usually, yes. There are those ‘newly awakened’ vampires whose senses have not yet quite reached that peak, and of course, there seem to be exceptions to every ‘rule’ you try to set to vampires.

---Do vampires have group meetings, clans (a la V:tM), covens, etc.?

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. It depends on the individual or groups of individuals. Obviously, *some* do, as that is one of the purposes of this FAQ. However, if anyone tells you they are part of a ‘clan’ a la V:tM, such as Toreador, Malkavian, etc. or some other fictional name that denotes a ‘bloodline’, chances are, they’re delusional.

---When it comes to vampires RPGs, movies, music, etc.; are these harmful? Can they cause people to believe they are something they aren’t, or do they damage the real vampire community?

They can be, yes, and for the most part they do indeed damage the real vampiric communities. They usually portray vampires as “evil” and as being “of the devil,” so to speak. There are those out there who are unstable enough to believe everything they see in movies, and therefore come to the conclusion that vampires need to be extinguished. There are also those who come to believe they are vampires when they are not, which can lead to a bit of strife within the vampire community-especially online-due to the number of ‘posers’ making it difficult to believe someone else when they claim to be a vampire, even though we know *perfectly* well that vampirism is real.
In an odd way, though, it is actually beneficial to the vampire community, as it allows us to ‘hide in plain sight’ better.. we do not fit any of the ‘fantasy stereotypes’, and so people write it off as a ‘joke’.

---How does a vampire feeding affect both the vampire and the ‘donor’?

Generally speaking, it is quite enjoyable, for both parties… very sensual, highly erotic… but somehow at the same time not exactly sexual. It can lead into the sexual, depending on the individuals, but that does not mean that it *is* sexual. Afterwards, the vampire feels refreshed, perhaps a little stronger, in a better mood. The donor may feel slightly weakened, perhaps a little fatigued or lethargic, but oddly serene.

---What different kinds of vampire are there?

There are a number of ’sub-classifications’, and I will try to list them all here:

Bloodvamp/Sanguinarian - these vampires feed strictly from actual, physical blood, generally drawn from a small wound on their donor.

Energy Vamp - those that feed directly from some outside energy source
Within this category, there are a few ’subtypes’:
PsiVamp (PsyVamp) - those that draw the energy they need directly from another person’s (or people’s) psychic(aural, pranic, whatever you want to call it) energy
Emotional Vamp - those that draw energy from other people’s emotions; also called empathic vampires. Not to be confused with vampires who also happen to be empaths (which is quite a number of them)
Sexual Vamp - very similar to PsiVamps, except they draw their energy exclusively from sexual encounters
Elemental Vamp - these vampires tend to draw most or exclusively from the elements or nature… storms seem to be a favorite source.

Many people consider these to be the only two ‘true types’ of vampires. However, there is a third category, which seems to defy the ‘normal’ classification - Hybrid, or ‘Dual-Feeders’. It is into this group that I fall (along with many others). When feeding, in order to really draw what we need, we must ‘bite’ in the classic vampire sense, although we do not puncture with fangs or any other artificial device. We then simply draw what we need.. to us, we can taste blood, feel blood, have to swallow, even can taste the aftertaste on another who has just fed; however, once we are finished, there is no mark, aside from perhaps a small red mark like a hickey. Some consider this something of a ’self-hallucination’ of what is no more than a PsiVamp… but those of us who feed this way do not feel this is accurate.

And then, of course, there are those who are often seen as one and the same, but who have nothing, really, to do with real vampires:

Fetishists - a person who gains sexual stimulation or satisfaction from bloodplay. (Without necessarily believing themself to be a vampire, or Otherkin.)

Lifestylers - these people can sometimes be hard to distinguish from either real vampires or role-players, depending on which way they lean. Basically, they live the ‘lifestyle’ to the hilt, dressing the part, makeup, gothic houses, the whole bit.

Role-Players - usually used in a derogatory sense in the vampire community, this is one of the easier non-vamp groups to spot. Most often they have based their ‘personas’ on V:tM (Vampire: the Masquerade). They can usually be picked out by their assertions of wild supernatural powers (flying, bursting into flame in the sunlight, etc.), as well as by the ‘Clan’ system - Tremere, Toreador, Gangrel, etc. This is not to say every vampire who RP’s is fake.. after all, what better place to hide? It can serve as a wonderful release. It is when the lines of reality and the game become blurred that a problem arises.

Clinical/Psychotic Vampires - those who suffer from a serious mental illness, and truly believe themselves to be vampires in the classical, mythical sense (such as Renfield’s Syndrome). These are likely to turn ‘donors’ into victims.

---What is it like to be a vampire?

It’s like dancing naked in a warm summer rain. It’s like being surrounded by the purest love. It’s like a Sunday picnic in the park. It’s also like being kicked repeatedly between the legs. It’s like getting hit in the head with a baseball bat. It’s like constantly walking by a buffet of your favorite foods, but being unable to eat. In my experience, and most vampires I have spoken with, being a vampire is both a curse and a blessing. For the most part, a lot of us have to hide what we are from those we love the most, for fear of retribution, prejudice, fear, or some other sort of negative judgement. Most of us cannot run down the street yelling ‘I am a vampire’ for fear of being strapped in a white coat and thrown in a rubber room and basket weaving with our toes for the rest of our lives. but the blessing comes in the form of this: when it comes to regular life, we have learned more and experienced more than most ‘regular’ people have or ever will. We are usually able to help a friend in need of emotional support; we know better than most what it is like to be hurt, to be an outcast.

---I think a friend of mine is a vampire. Is there a ‘polite’ way to ask or try and find out?

It’s like trying to find a polite way to ask if a friend of yours is gay. It’s always a touchy subject, even moreso as anonymity provides a measure of safety for us. Start out with a general ‘discussion’ about vampires… not straight out asking if they are one, but simply if they believe in them and so forth. In time, perhaps, you can ease into the question of whether they are or not. Just be sure to be respectful about it.

---What is it like to Awaken?

Ever been hit on the head with a sledgehammer? It’s kinda like that. Have you ever had a crisis of faith so profound you don’t know *what* to believe any more? Yeah, it’s kinda like that, too. Have you ever been deliriously happy? Yeah, it’s kinda like that as well. It encompasses the entire range of emotions. It’s terrifying, intriguing, interesting, amazing and amusing all at once, with every other emotion in the gamut thrown in for good measure. However, some people, of course, take it better than others.

---Can an Awakening be ‘triggered’ by someone else? If so, what responsibilities are there for the one who triggered it?

Yes, I do fully believe an Awakening can be triggered, because mine was triggered by someone when I was 19. As for the responsibilities.. help them through it; help them deal with the emotional turmoil it causes; teach them what you know in hopes that they will take the benefit of that experience with them while learning their own way; in a way, almost become a ‘parent’ to them, helping and aiding and comforting as much as you can.

---Are vampires immune to blood-borne diseases? (Or any other diseases for that matter?)

NO. They are just as dangerous, or even moreso, to us as they are to anyone else.

---Can you tell me of any vampires in {insert town/state/whatever}?

Can I? Maybe. Will I? No. That is something you will have to search for yourself. I am not about to betray the trust of anyone in the community by stripping away their anonymity.

---Are there really vampire hunters?

Yes. Some of them are as bad as they are protrayed in the movies; a lot of them are much more subtle. There are some who believe Hollywood, and who, regardless of what the truth is, think vampires are an unnatural abomination and need to be exterminated. However, just as within the vampire community, there are those who are simply overeager RPG players, who really pose no threat; and sometimes, it can be difficult to tell the difference.

---If someone awakens to/becomes a vampire, does that mean they can’t do a lot of things they used to?

Why should you stop living your life just because you realize you’re a vampire? Seomtimes you may have to make certain adjustments, but you should be able to do basically everything you could before.

---What is the relationship between vampires and magic?

Most vampires, by nature, dabble in the ‘arts’. This helps them to hone their senses, hone their abilities, and by the same token, their abilities help hone their spells, charms, wards, etc. For most of us, magic is simply a part of our life. Others, not so much, if at all. Vampires do seem to have an easier time with magic than most people do, however.

---How do I know who I can trust (lover, friends, parents, etc.) about what I am, and how do I go about telling them?

A good place to start is a general sort of conversation about the supernatural/metaphysical/magic/whatever you want to call it. Feel them out, see how they feel about it. If the response seems good, lead into vampires… what do they believe about them, do they think real vampires are a possibility, etc. If the response is still good, then decide if you feel you can trust them with the knowledge. In the end, only you can decide who you can and can’t trust, though.

---Do vampires have a ‘normal’ life? What kinds of things do they do?

What is ‘normal’? In my opinion, there is no real definition of ‘normal’. Vampires, like anybody else, try and get by in their lives the best that they can. We have bills, we have to pay taxes, we need to work, we go through good relationships and bad. As to what do we do… what does anyone do? We go to work, we go to school, we go to the park or to the lake or to the bar or to friends’ houses… it varies as much as with anyone else.



As well, please peruse my journal for an interview with a member of the New Orleans Vampire community discussing his views on the subject.


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A question, vampires are awakened correct?

Role players you mr ruin are easilly spotted by wild claims of super natural abilities,is that correct? I am just confirming those points, so a vampire as you define, are they born vampires?



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Thank you for the post, one of the first straight forward response so far I’ve read here, everyone seemed to be saying the same answer over and over again, although how do we know we speak with someone of the vampire community or role-players who reenacting the lifestyle, since I’ve seen some people saying they turn others around here, by biting and they afterwards show symptoms like abilities and the blood thirst.. Or is it even possible? I read about the awakening part, but nothing about the turning by incision.



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Some factions claim that a person is born vampire, but it is dormant until they perform some esoteric rite ( taught by self titled "priest") again not knowing whether or not they can pass for a vampire. I have already heard if people who describe severing with factions of people who claimed that the awaking can be revoked, to avoid the person testing.. "?"



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~Dabbler~ asks: vampires are awakened correct?

Some are and some are not...I speak for myself on this since I was not awakened. I have natural instincts that work for me, which do coincide with what an awakening represents...But to each their own on what they wish to call the "awakening."

~dabbler~ asks: Role players you mr ruin are easilly spotted by wild claims of super natural abilities,is that correct?

This is quite obviously a common sense answer...But for those of whom are not aware of this type of subject then, they are very easily spotted.

Most of us within the vampire community you would never suspect of being what and or who we are. We are your next door neighbor, the individual at the checkout counter, or the truck driver making his deliveries.

~Dabbler asks: so a vampire as you define, are they born vampires?

A vampire is born vampire, yes...There is no such thing as a "turning" or a "transformation." You either are, or you are not...It is that simple.

~Revenous~ asks: since I’ve seen some people saying they turn others around here, by biting and they afterwards show symptoms like abilities and the blood thirst.. Or is it even possible?

Incision turning is not possible at all unless you are speaking of the fictitious accounts of vampirism as claimed by the dozens of authors from around the world.

As I have stated from ~Dabblers~ question, there is no such thing as being "turned", I am sure many will agree with me that this is physically impossible.

~Dabbler asks: Some factions claim that a person is born vampire, but it is dormant until they perform some esoteric rite ( taught by self titled "priest") again not knowing whether or not they can pass for a vampire. I have already heard if people who describe severing with factions of people who claimed that the awaking can be revoked, to avoid the person testing.. "?"

I would think this tend to depend upon the individuals belief system itself. Such as the "faith" mechanation of the mind. But in all due respect for religious conotations, the "awakening" system in my mind would be based entirely on a physical level. The spiritual levels would require immense amount of meditations to say the least. But this is just my opinion on this question.

Again, this is only my view and should not be taken as a be all end all by any means.



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Hm.. 2032 entries in the database argues for the existence of vampire fiction...;)

As for "real" vampires, meaning psychic and sanguinarians...yeah I know a few of those, and all the evidence points to them being real live living and breathing people rather than figments of the imagination. The psy vamps have to occasionally be reprimanded for trying to instigate stuff for some food..but other than that...they're generally nice people.

As for the rest...a previous answer in another thread also applies.
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It would help to name this "previous thread" that you are regarding.



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But that would take all the fun out of making you hunt for it....~grins wryly~

"The real meaning of a self proclaiming vampire." started by Revenous.



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So people who profess to be awakened vampires are delusional?



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or severly misinformed by those who stand to gain from the "would be pupil/ disciple?



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I awoke this morning, yet I do not claim to be transformed into a vampire.

We could gather info on this, but this holds to many meanings. whether we relate to fictional monsters or fables, or the living vampires here. for meaning writers have their own depiction of the vampire. Even hollywood has changed the apearance of the vampiric icon.



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Avoiding regression of topic will hasten a concise answer, I must say I find inquires that are avoided by those who profess to be vampires, more informative then the ones they do hazard to reply to. An observation I have made is that those who profess to be vampires are reluctant to "tip their hand" reasoning perhaps that those who pick, and chose what they adapt to their definition are left with vague picking?



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A vampire to me is what i see in hollywood films. or a talk long hair mystery man with fangs who feeds off of unwilling victs.And if you look in to their eyes you fall maddly inlove with him.On the real side a vampire is a person with hightend sences that can feed off of emotions = Empathic or any kind of self proclaimed energys feeders like elements, or things of that nature and they don't even have to drink blood sometimes I call people vampires because they take with out asking.
And in some peoples opinions mine included a vampire is a thief.



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Now after ~Dabbler~ has made some of his analytical points quite clear, why other "would be" vampires of the community just dont reply back as I do...

Come out, come out...Where ever you are...Plain and simple.

Or, they are afraid of the spotlight...Afraid that much of what a few of us have already stated in this thread, that most on this site are indeed lifestylers and roleplayers?

Hmmm...Makes one think.



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A faction exist that simple wants conflict, they appear to be more about intimadation, and impressing what is refered to as the "mundanes".

Those that place their understanding of vampires relative to reality vary in degree but are clear as to definition base. Fringe factions, and those who
May have grievance with noted communities ( usually for conflicting arguements) splinter to adapt, and appeal to the vary mundanes, and role players they so despise.



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I have no problem posting, Vampires or people here claims are on the feelings and life style they choose to have, and for this they consider them selfs vampiric. Not the actually fiction of hollywood vampire.

Beliefs are what they make up this sub culture society, heck i remember wanting so bad to be a vampire like hollywood, but it has never come to be.
Yet I still feel like some of the presence of the style I do. much like any other faction in society is based on what the person does with his life.

Cowboys are this if they do not ride a horse?
Scientist even if they do not become know or discover something?
It is the traits which each hold to carry their life on.



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And that was not picking on any other faction within life, just making examples. Life style and inner traits are what deem alot here as vampiric in a sense. Do they exist only oin our minds. are they real, considering hollywood and fable version. definatly not. living brathing humans with inner thoughts of vampire tendency yes, there are some here.



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I appreciate everyone's post, but please remember that the thread is intended for "your" definition of a vampire, there is no "right or wrong" answer. I am not seeking correctness, just a personal definition of a vampire.



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"Scientist even if they do not become know or discover something?"

I had to nitpick. To be a scientist (at least with a PhD) you have to discover something, as you have to add to the current knowledge of the community before you can get the doctorate.

But I know what you meant... lol.


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I believe if the people that profess what they say they are should stay with the "vampiric community" or " sanguinarian" or say "Vampyr", its more acceptable and people understand and respect it more than the traditional meaning of "vampire". People will keep asking why they proclaim themselves like that when what they do is not what everyone have in their heads throughout books and stories. I think is more a problem of nomenclature than any other stuff. For sheer curiosity, Can anyone list or mention me a possible reason why would someone put in their profile that they are “vampire”? “Theorizing”



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To be fringe, and "mysterious". I find however that the site is rather tolerant of those who clearly present their accepted adaptation of vampires, and goth for that matter, but it appears a rogue factions is out for conflict relating to their professed vampire claim. They are consistently implying they are oppressed by "those who just don't understand us.", and even referring to others as they accuse others of doing to them.



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A Vampire is a member of a clan, initiated by an elder, and a good keeper of the secrect within.



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markus,
Thank you you raise a valued point with your post. Accountability of the establishing elders. How many who profess to be of a community would be able to present a community portfolio or be vouched for in some manner (understand this is not discloser to out-group persons but people considering initiation, or induction into a claimed community.



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I belive a vampire is simply someone or something that actively seeks out blood or enegy to increase their own power .



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"In 1908, a team of Italian archeologists uncovered a relic in the Minoan palace of Phaistos in Crete. This relic was a disc inscribed in an unknown language using stamps, signifying an example of movable type being used around 1600 b.c.e. This relic is referred to as the Phaistos Disc. A similar object was uncovered five years later in an excavation around the city currently called Ismir in Turkey.
Archeologists were excited about the second find, but soon became disheartened as the symbols were not the same. While the Phaistos Disc remains a mystery and possibly a historical anomaly, the second Disc, commonly referred to as the Belzeit Tablet, has been partially decoded in the late 20th century. What it has revealed is both startling and exciting.

For lack of a poetic description, the Belzeit Tablet was created by a unique Mystery Cult operating in the shadow of the ancient Greek city-states with clear connection to Egypt and the Hebrew tribes on the other side of the Mediterranean Sea. This cult practiced a ritualistic worship of beings best described as vampires."

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~markus666~ states: "A Vampire is a member of a clan, initiated by an elder, and a good keeper of the secret within."

~Soulshroude~ Replies: This statement should be changed to..."The vampire 'may' be a member of a (put organization here), initiated by an 'elder' of said (organization), and or a good keeper of any secret of said (organization)."

The vampire does not nessessarily have to be bound by any social creed, or group code. There are plenty of independant vampires out there, ones that choose not group themselves into any "elite" unit, or faction.

Vampires are vampires plain and simple. If the vampire wishes to involve themselves into any set "faction" then this is by their choice alone and is not a "birth right" of any kind. We are not as special as others claim us to be put on a pedal stool or any sort of crazy nonesense.



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Vampires are fiction. Perhaps those who profess abilities and such can be creative enough to come up with another name, that would represent them. I mean what a trademark rip.



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I am surether are other names in the sub-cultures. But yet come back to the common tag-Vampirism.

Much like all professions in life. politicians, scientist alll come back to a common tag

But basically we all are just human.



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cadrewolf,
I enjoyed your post, it was quite enlightening. Thank you!



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