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LivNdedGirl
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In Jewish mysticism, the Chamber of Guf (or Guph or even Gup) (Hebrew for "body" or "corpse") also called the Otzar (Hebrew for "treasury") is the Hall of Souls, located in the Seventh Heaven. Every human soul is held to emanate from the Guf. The Talmud teaches that the Messiah will not come until the Guf is emptied of all its souls (Yevamot 62a).

The mystic significance of the Guf is that each person is important and has a unique role which only he, with his unique soul, can fulfill. Even a newborn baby brings the Messiah closer simply by being born.

In keeping with other Jewish legends that envision souls as bird-like, the Guf is sometimes described as a columbarium, or birdhouse. Folklore says sparrows can see the soul's descent and this explains their joyous chirping.

The peculiar idiom of describing the treasury of souls as a "body" may be connected to the mythic tradition of Adam Kadmon, the primordial man. Adam Kadmon, God's "original intention" for humanity, was a supernal being, androgynous and macro-cosmic (co-equal in size with the universe). When this Adam sinned, humanity was demoted to the flesh and blood, bifurcated and mortal creatures we are now. According to Kabbalah, every human soul is just a fragment (or fragments) cycling out of the great "world-soul" of Adam Kadmon. Hence, every human soul comes from the "guf [of Adam Kadmon].

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i want to know how others feel about this concept of a hall that holds our souls ? i dont personally believe in one God but i do believe we were somewhere before we came to be here on earth. also i would like to know if anyone else believes that we chose our life plan before we were born?




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the Guf, as they so fondly call it apparently misses a reason for holding the soul. Why would the Guf be holding any individuals soul unless it was an unspoken purgatory of sorts.

Heaven has inner circles as well as outer circles, just as Hell has 7 to 9 layers or dimensional planes. The Guf is rumoured to be held in the center of the circles beneath the Kingdom itself, which is where the glow of the astral comes from. Or so I have read. Dont ask for resources.



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Well Only Zews can explain this realm and I wish to grow upon this in more depth.

Logically, I must say in my opinion that in universe full of many spheres and planes and hyperplanes. it may be written about any such hyperplane where christ energy (finest energy of cosmos western peepal named as christ energy) is directly awaialable in that plane and others may feel it via kundalini awakening.



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Growing up with this belief, it makes sense to me.

Where else would the soul be? Not heaven or hell (since they have not been born) and not a purgatory in the Christian sense.

Ever see the Shirley Temple flick the Blue Bird of Happiness? Growing up, I associated the Guf with that movie. It was easy to understand as a child. The land of tomorrow held the souls of children waiting to be born to just the right mother at just the right time.



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LivNdedGirl
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very interresting views

out of curiousity do you believe we have chosen our paths that we are on prier to our exsistance?? exaple like your given a list of illnesses and your told you have to choose 3 out of 1000 to happen to you and that you will have x amount of tradgedy to deal with and so much happiness choose between rich or poor so on down the line so your fate is preordained by your very self before birth



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What, you dont remember looking into the well of life with your soul? I remember it quite fluidly actually. The well of decision based on what the soul wants within the life span. Every soul goes through this step before they are born or re-born.



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this has been a big blank or question on my plate for some time ...i remember things that dont seem real and then i have de ja vue of course and it is so so real i know i lived it before and i try to tell people and they think iam out of my mind LOL iam actually glad someone else knows of this



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The Guf doesn't make sense to me. I mean why would a soul that hasn't come into existence be doing in hell in the first place. From what I understand about hell and the bible, the only reason why a soul would be in hell would be because it's being punished for its sins that it did on earth.



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It's a beautiful concept, even though I don't believe in it.
I don't think the Guf is a 'hell'; it's a depository of souls for those yet unborn.



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That would make sense.



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Go forth and procreate my children...



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