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People throughout history have tried to accomplish what Dr. Frankenstein did in Mary Shelly's novel. There are rumors that at least one of them succeeded. What do you believe? Could this be theoretically possible?

I believe you can reanimate a corpse.

No its not possible...once the flesh is dead and the organs no longer have blood flow.The body is dead..and with no neural activity in the brain for a long period of time or blood flow.You can not reanimate a human body....no matter how much you wish it could happen.

World governments have black-ops that do just that. Such information is usually leaked by those who would be former agents.

Such black-ops are the so called "Cherry Blossom" and "Sturgeon." It is rumoured that the Chinese Government still has or had versions of these two operations, projects for creating the undead.

"There is also a rumoured virus called: Solanum, this virus works by traveling through the blood stream, from the original point of injury to the brain. Through means not yet fully understood, the virus uses cells of the frontal lobe for replication. Destroying them in the process. During this period, all bodily functions cease. By stopping the heart, the infected subject is rendered "dead."

The brain, however remains alive but dormant, while the virus mutates its cells into a completely new organ (Think Resident Evil). The most common critical trait of this new organ is its independance from oxygen. By removing the need for this all important resource, the undead brain can utilize, but is in no way dependant upon, the complex support mechanism of the human body.

Furthermore, once mutation is complete, this new organ reanimates the body into a form that bears little resemblance (physiologically speaking) to the original corpse. Some bodily remain constant, others operate in a modified capacity, and the remainder shut down completely. This new organism is Zombi; a member of the living dead. - Max Brooks (Zombie Survival Guide)"

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Hehe SoulShroude you made me smile, yet is something not so recent, some studies are continued since world war II, I suspect it get more older than that as well.

I do have actual documetation to back up my claims, such as historical recollections from dates such as documented attacks dating as far back as 60,000 B.C. to present day. Though it is apparently all surrounded by conspiracy and contraversy, I never count anything against solid fact. Who really knows what is real as apposed to fallacy these days. Too many cover-ups if you ask me.

I have been involved in the return of spontaneous circulation in a number of patients. A few of those actually had a return of brain function. But the key was reaching them and reversing the causes quickly. My experience has been that once tissue is dead it is dead. No longer revivable.
But, if we aren't talking tissue, if we are talking energy, then I believe that energy does not die and it can be returned to a living state.

So by your experiance then, even if a virus was negotiated within the cells themselves, dead tissue will not revive at all? What if the virus was negotiated before actual death took place, thus causing subsequent death itself, but on a temporary basis where the heart shut down but not brain death itself. Brain death is usually the all in all attribute within the Zombification and Frankenstein signature itself, is it not?

The brain is the most critical tissue and it's death is the true death. If something beyond our understanding can keep the brain viable despite the death of all other tissue then that is one thing. But once the spirit or the energy has left the brain then I don't see it returning. Of course I am basing my beliefs on what I have witnessed in the physical world. I am, unfortunately only human, and I do not profess to have the powers to look beyond that experience. I can theorize, I can believe, I can debate, but I do not claim the ability to prove. But when a 21 year old puts a shotgun in their mouth and pulls the trigger because his girlfriend argued with him, I don't find that body renewable because the brain is scrambled all over the wall.

Now for the Frankenstein theory to come into play. Would it be plausable that a new brain of the same blood type (if this matters) would be put inside the cadaver itself, to come back by electrical means?

I think this is what ~DJJarak~ was alluding to with his introductory post.

I have to agree with Shadowfever. I also believe that once you are dead, thats it as far as reanimation.

stick electric rods into a dead frog and he jumps sooo why not a human

i think bringing a person back from the dead could be possable if not now maybe in the future but people do have to remember frankenstien was just a made up story

The electricity that is given to a dead frog does not reanimate the frog as in bringing it back to life but it shows how it causes the muscles to react. The frog is still dead.

As far as reanimating humans like the fictional Frankestein monster I do not believe is possible but may sometime in the future be possible..hell look at what they have done with cloning.

Execution of a prisoner shows that the brain dies along with the body.

Well with executions they are sending enough electricity through to actually fry the person..brain and all. With reanimation I do not think it would require that large of a current.

Well since ww2 trying to reanimate corpses have been a huge drive in mad science, so I believe anything is possible we are never told the truth so we will never really know just continue to argue and speculate.

Dr. Frankenstien was real and studied medicine on a theory based science of exploration.
Electrically jump starting a frog back to life started the entire issue of jump starting a human back to life.
Even though the image of him was portrayed as evil, his theory continued into the modern world, and because of it, we can restart human life with CPR, and electric shock.

Human heart transplant takes 10-14 hours, image your body being kept alive on machines that entire time and then they do have to jump start the new implanted heart to bring you back****amazing.
Even more amazing is the fact the heart waiting to be transplanted does not die, even without blood or oxygen being pumped through it.

Perhaps he did achieve it way back then, but it was condemded as being evil and an infraction of God's will and destroyed.
Pity!

i heard that mary shelly got her ideas from observering the great dr frankenstein

I think this link will provide some accurate information regarding the relationship between Mary Shelley and other individuals that would confuse those who would think that "Dr. Frankenstein" was a factual character rather then a fictitious counterpart to the mind of Mary herself.

A very interesting read...

yes she wrote of a fictional version, based on the Burg Frankenstein she and her family learned of while on vacation.
Frankie! I love Frankie!

Dr Frankenstein lived in the 1200. Yes, she wrote a fictional based story of him based on his life long impulsatory works of trying to 'Cheat Death" which he became consumed by when his wife died.

Mary Shelley maintained that she derived the name "Frankenstein" from a dream-vision. Despite her public claims of originality, the significance of the name has been a source of speculation. Literally, in German, the name Frankenstein means "stone of the Franks". The name is associated with various places such as Castle Frankenstein (Burg Frankenstein), which Mary Shelley had seen whilst on a boat before writing the novel. Burg Frankenstein is a hilltop castle about 5 km south of Darmstadt in Germany. As the name suggests, the castle and its folklore are widely believed to have been influential upon Mary Shelley, though this theory is controversial. The castle was built before 1250 by Konrad Reiz von Breuberg, who made it into a territory subject only to the Emperor and henceforth adopted the family name Frankenstein.

The original story was also part of the cult classic "Gothic" where Julian Sands played the part of Lord Byron himself. The story tellers were Lord Byron, John Paladori and Mary Shelley. The movie was decent to say the least.

I actually have a History channel DVD about this and when she wrote that story, reanimation testing was actually being done on corpses and one of the scientists was able to bring a corpse back...at least to move...and that was it. And I believe it all decided on how "fresh" the corpse was because it's still based on the electrical current still left in the body to be reanimated. I forget the name of the scientist but it wasn't Frankenstein. Frankenstein is name she chose in the book.

This confuses me... How could an electrical "current" be within a corpse? Unless this was a "static" electrical description. The body would be "water" based on the fact that it is made up of 94.5 percent of it.

Other then that, in the metaphysical context, the body is made up of energy on a micro-molecular level, but I am not sure if this would pertain to the body on a pysiological level as in physical manifestation of the corpse's movement from an electrical discharge and the association thereof.

I agree with featheredman. That the tissue of a human animal or otherwise, doesn't die immediatly after the so called "death" of a humans brain. If that were so you wouldn't have the case of people on life support. While they may be brain dead. Their body lives on. So who's to say transplainting someone elses brain into a braindead body couldn't work? Here's the even more wonderous question. If infact some one did transplant a human brain. Would that brain Reset itself to adapt to the new body or would that person now live the life of the transplanted brain in question. Which also brings up the question of the existance of the soul. If the new brain was transplanted would the person still have the same soul, or is there even a soul to begin with?

Cadaver tissue can be transplanted, like knee parts. Not sure what else, but every few years there's some new scandal involving cadaver parts . . . not donor parts, but from peeps in the morgue, like that Masterpiece theatre dude, who was way old.

Which is another thing that confuses me is why transplant old people's parts? Won't they wear out sooner? Do they follow the original owners aging or the new owners?

Of all the responses here, what I find extraordinary is the claim that the Chinese are interested in reanimation. What on earth for? They already have too many people.

Yea, it started the jolly ole Grave Robbing expeditions in London!

anyways here is the Doctoral History based on CPR, and the study of electrical start on the heart.

In the 19th century, Doctor H. R. Silvester described a method (The Silvester Method) of artificial respiration in which the patient is laid on their back, and their arms are raised above their head to aid inhalation and then pressed against their chest to aid exhalation.[6] The procedure is repeated sixteen times per minute. This type of artificial respiration is occasionally seen in films made in the early part of the 20th century.


**So you can see that Dr.H.R. Silvester in the 19th century would have been doing this about the same time Miss Mary Shelley wrote her fixation novel! **

The first sucessfull resuccitation was by a boyscott in 1911, who did initiate CPR immediately to a person post a heart attack, thus having doctors re-examine their theory that it is neccessary to begin within the first four minutes prior to brain damage setting in.
Other than if you are suspended in freezing waters which is a new theory of cold fraction** Stops brain damage**

Either way, Salutes to Frankie!!!
A hero Monster saving lives today!

Actually Gabriel Byrne played Bryon and Julian Sands played Percy Shelley.I have the dvd and it is one of my fave. movies.

I watched the History Channels story about Mary Shelley and how she came up with Frankenstein.Part of her fascination with death was learned through her father.

I doubt very much you could piece dead and rotting body parts together...and shock it back to life.If it has been done I would like to see an actual video of said procedure that has not been doctored or use of F/X.

Perhaps this could happen. With the advances medicine has made, it again might happen.

People throughout history have tried to accomplish what Dr. Frankenstein did in Mary Shelly's novel. There are rumors that at least one of them succeeded. What do you believe? Could this be theoretically possible?


I believe that it might be possible that at least one person may have succeeded but it would depend on if it actually did happen and who the person was that made it so.

Theoretically it can be possible and theoretically everything is possible until proven otherwise. In the novel and the many movies made about Frankenstein all Frankenstein is is many cadavers stitched together to make one human body with a brain and electrically charged to life somehow.

There are some things that cannot be proven possible or impossible and i believe that Frankenstein might be one.

Very true. For all we know, someone accomplished this amazing thing and told no one about it.

i think that somehow it would be possible. . .im not a christian but Jesus brought back Lazarus. . and in the bible Jesus said that men would do these things and more. .

If the bible says its true then it must be? So, if Jesus jumps from a bridge and survives and tells you to do the same thing, would you? What if Jesus did not feel like bringing you back, mayhaps Lazarus was one of his friends and he could care less about you, what then... Would you still trust him and jump out of faith?

Just throwing that out there.

We keep talking about re animating a corpse, such as Lazarus, or goverment experiments, what Frankenstein did was create a body using parts of different bodies and through electricity give it power, more like a robot.

Now as to re animating we do not have to go as far as the bible, just head southeast from NYC and you will hit Haiti, a place where zombies are made, zombies are the dead brought back to life.

Haitian zombies aren't the dead brought back to life

Hollywood made that form of zombie.

In Haiti they use a powder...power of suggestion and fear to create their "zombies".It is a powder that makes the weak minded fearful people believe that people can me made into a mindless "zombie".

Anyhow...again..once the brain is dead and the heart stops beating,circulating oxygen enriched blood through out the body...you CAN NOT reanimate dead flesh.

Besides think about it...IF someone did achieve this feat I do not think they would keep it quiet.Even if much of the world would find it demeaning and immoral,who would keep it hidden.

Several people have mentioned that with the advances made in medicine, perhaps it is possible.
Those advances have not found the cure for cancer, birth defects, senility, or stupidity. I can assure you, they have not found the way to animate the dead.
I disagree with the idea that "anything is possible." There are others on VR who deal with death on a regular basis and I'm sure they, for the most part, agree that dead is dead. (We are talking about biological death here, not clinical death. When someone responds to CPR and ACLS interventions it is not a case of reanimation. It is a case of restarting a non-beating heart before it reaches a state of biological death).

DJ - Cadaver Skin has been used for grafting, harvested organs are transplanted, cadaver hands have been grafted but, the recipient needs to be on many anti-rejection medications.
As for re-animation, only if the individual receives defibrulator treatment to resusitate.
As for the "real" Frankenstein" process... unless we start to do "brain transplants" and then try to "jump start" them and their bodies, like a car.... I don't think so.

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anything is possible, there is so much technology out there that is being kept form the general public who knows what can be done right now or at least in the near future.