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YES I FIND THAT ANYTHING I FOCUS ON BEFORE I SLEEP, BECOMES REALITY IN MY SUB-CONSCIENCE.

YOUR THE FIRST PERSON TO EVER EXPLAIN IT AND IT MAKES SENCE.

TXVM IZZY.

You are quite welcome Izzy, happy to have shed some light on the subject for you. Our dreams after all, are always some form of reality.

I find this really tricky , i can get out of my body , sort of astrally project , but find it difficult locating anyone with real intent it,s the same with dreamwalking .I,am conscious of myself while i,am dreaming , and i know i,am dreaming , but i still find it difficult to separate myself from the dream and take controll of my own will . I tend to experience quite profound meaning in the events my subconscious conjures for me , it,s only on reflection the next day that i tend to understand the relevance of certain events . I,d love to be able to astrally project find another person and enter their dream or even just watch their dream . Dreamwalking is something that i,ve been giving some thought to lately , i think it,s more subtle , finding others and sharing dreams calls for a certain lucid flexibility where others are concerned , i,am not sure i,ve got that . Me and a friend try and do it , although we dream of each other alot , we never have the same dream , just keep trying i supose .

I have found lately the nature of me in my dreams has changed . As i,ve imbraced my more vampiric nature my subconscious has adjusted my physical apearance . I,ve changed into a red eyed winged thing , still me but different . In temperament too i,am more secrative , tending to fly and hide and observe more . Also the symbolisms got darker and more profound meanings are attached . I,am definitly more confident in dreamwalking in my own head , but i,am still unable to walk into others .

I haven't had any dreams where i've felt like it wasnt my own. Most of my dreams are so out of the ordinary that people would feel lost in them. they're all like a maze and different each time.

I have dreams where i dont recognize anything at all and I know they are my dreams. Like stated before i have way out dreams.

Dream Walking can be difficult to just up and do. For me the most amazing part of it is the confirmation the next day, the shared memories of the events that took place in the dream state. I have been taught and shown things from long distances by using dream walking. The experience needs to be had, just as many occult practices do, so doubt no longer gets in the way. Even the act of another joining your dreams can cause a huge shift in awareness transcending the limits of ones current reality. It's uses can very from learning and sharing time with another to outright aggressive psychic attacks...

Let's continue the discussion here..

Here is the link to the article in the original post on dreamwalking if you would like to read more from Miles Tyler..

http://ezinearticles.com/?Dream-Walking---The-Sleeping-Psychic-In-All-Of-Us&id=535257





Personally,while I feel I can jump around from dream to dream,and have many times dreamt of things that happened soon after,I have never been able to set the stage for a paticular dream.

Fireserpent,I am in agreement with you in that it is amazing the next day when you witness things that have happened in your dream.

There is a dream walker in my school that hates me b/c she cant get in mine -_-

I had someone to come to me during a full moon night during a dream and left a pretty interesting impression. This person apparently had total control of the "dream" because when i tried to leave my dream out of fear, it didn't work. Usually i make myself wake up if it's too much for me to handle by forcing myself to fall off of something etc. so that my tummy ties up in knots and boom...i wake up. Not that time. lol So yes i do believe in dream walkers. :)

Interesting, I will look at the link.

I find it difficult to feel how one could prove that they have had such a dream.

If any one on this site proclaims to be able to do it then visit me in my dreams lol

I do visit individuals as well as groups in dream scapes/walks. Though, I do need to be aquanted with said individuals and groups in order to maintain a steady walk-about within the dream/astral.

It is not at all hard to do ~Theban~, but I would not try it on perfect strangers such as yourself, as things could go very badly for one or both parties involved if they are not aquanted.

How can they...?

I have alot of control over my dreams, I want to experience it! Do you have a portfolio...Hmmm! lol

So if your not willing then who is?

I did not say that I was not willing, I simply state that it requires an energy signature or pattern to become familiar between both parties involved in order for the state to become active.

I would be willing, but it is not my place to prove that such practice exists. Though I am sure you have had vivid dreams when a stranger came to you in the guise of a shadow, a loved one that you recognised but looked a bit unfamiliar to you, or someone that you saw who looked vaguely familiar but you could not remember who they were? Most, if not all, have. These familiar, yet unfamiliar appearances could be caused by dream walkers/scapers.

Out bound individuals seem to always cross paths while in the state, though a bit recklessly at times, but one cannot blame an initiate/beginner.

I am not asking you to prove it, vvSoulshroudevv I am simply asking you to do it!

Actually it was a stranger who came to me in my dreams who showed me how recognise when I was dreaming. It was the same stranger who said I would be able to fly in my dreams...However I had never met this person(s) before as I have met individuals in my dreams. I put it down to my subconscious projecting these images into my dream state.

Which draws me to the conclusion that these people, if it is people doing it, don't require any energy pattern/signature. I can say that the people who show me things and talk with in my dreams I do not know!

Unless I am directing a dream about people that I do know lol

More then likely, if you believe in the phenomenon and metaphysics, that stranger was one of your friends during another incarnation. This happens all the time.

Though you did contradict yourself for a moment there, as to "do it", is to "prove it." This is not my way. Thank you for the politeness in asking, by the by.

~Though you did contradict yourself for a moment there, as to "do it", is to "prove it."~

No this wasn't a contradiction my friend, it was an intention! *chuckles*

It is unfortunate that you are unable to assist me.

However I am sure that with practice I will be able to "do it"

Thank you for your assistance.

TheBan..perhaps I could help. :) I am more than willing to experiment on this.

Oceanne

I will message you : )

ok great.And we can post our results here if the thread isnt closed prior.If anyone else would like to participate just message us.

Ok will do that no probs!

Any other takers? I know there are quite a few here who feel they do this,and claim as much,so why not lets see if we can come up with some evidence that there is something to it?
You know,money where the mouth is?

It would be experimental, if indeed such a phenomena existed. People want dreams to be more then just dreams.. as if those content with simple dreams lack such a sensational experience.

Well,I for one would like to see if it is something we do or can actually control other than what we experience by ourselves or randomly.So,while Im REALLY dissapointed that not one person stepped up,TheBan and I are doing it ourselves.It sure would have been alot better if we had more participants so we could at least see averages somewhat.

I would, but this is not something to play with. It is like messing with an incantation and not knowing the first thing about casting the circle first.

Dreams are not just some random thing. Nor is dream/astral walking. Which is why I am not taking it lightly.

Now, notice that those who would claim to have the talent of dream walking, have not stepped up to the plate aside from myself and a few others. Which makes me think that most who would claim the talent are just here for the peer mentality, but are in fact, full of it.

People want to mystify by claim, rather then demonstaration.

back in the day "psyhics" had to at least perform stage magic/parlor tricks under prestense of mystic abilities.. how generic the metaphysical folk have become..

It is making me think that also SS. I know it isnt something to play with,but I am all for taking it to a next level and to see if it we can really control it like we think we can.There isnt a thing wrong with that,and I feel that one can be respectful of it and do this..this isnt play either.As far as Im concerned,theres really no reason not to ..other than one is full of it.And it might take a couple of times toi get any results,IF any.And if we do get any,then how can it be disputed anymore if the possibility is there that its real?

How does ones convictions support their willness to explore with controled observations/experimentation?

Oh,SS,I must disagree with the whole playing with incantation thing..these peeps claim they know what theyre doing.They do it all the time,or so they say How is documenting it once or twice any different than doing it for ones personal reasons?
No,Im sorry,if someone makes a claim,of anykind,then one should have no problem with this ....otherwise,keep the mouth shut.
Just like the biz Im in..So many peeps claim they know what they're doing when it comes to horses.Well,show me how much you know then.Plain and simple.Cause you sure wont work for me on your claim alone.

Controlled experiments mean that one is able to interact and stop what is happening before worst case scenerio.

In this sense, there is no controlling what actually happens within the dream state. Once the individual reaches R.E.M. sleep, they have no further physical control over their mind, as their subconscious or in a metaphysical sense, the spirit kicks in.

I have seen things happen with these so called controlled environments that have brought out many negative outcomes. Which is why I would rather dream scape with someone I know and trust, and do know the intentions of said individual. I have seen nightmares turn into mental breakdowns because of this type of experimentation.

Again, which is why I will neither approve of, nor attempt to join in it.

I personally,feel these things do happen.And they seem to happem to me.I dont,and I say again,feel they are supernatural .But how can we ever prove anything if we dont buckle down,throw away our pride or fear of and do what it takes to find out?
Im sick of bullshit and bullshitters.Im tired of the same old argument over evidence and proof..I want to know!!

If you want to know, then experiment with ~TheBan~ and see if you two have one of those dreams. But don't blame anyone if something goes wrong and someone suffers a mental break down, or something along those lines as it is known to happen.

It is not a fear of the dream scapes, I just don't really feel like loosing my mind anymore then what it is already.

I hope that no one would ever want to enter my dreams.
They frighten me enough as it is.. I wouldn't wish them on my worst enemies.

We are SS,thank you.And im sorry,I dont believe anything will go wrong or either one will loose our minds.But thanks for your concern.We will let you know if we come up with anything.

I see.For one,it really isnt a controlled enviroment or experiment.And two,what we are attempting to do is light.A small impression or visual if you will.
But your fears are your own.I just dont share them.Because of my own experiences I suppose.

Ok I have been frothing at the mouth to respond...I have been unable because my phone logs me out every couple of minutes. However I am now at home on the beast!

First off dabbler. Your right of course, all to many people here talk the talk...lol...just are unwilling/unable to walk the walk. (where have I heard that before) Maybe it is fear of failure! The excuses people come up with actually are comical.

VvSoulshroudevv “to step up to the plate in my mind means to become involved....I thought you declined because it was a little scary or something!

You said,

"I have seen nightmares turn into mental breakdowns because of this type of experimentation"

Are these documented....

The thing which interests me is this statement....

“But don't blame anyone if something goes wrong and someone suffers a mental break down, or something along those lines as it is known to happen.”

Where is this known? I am attempting to find out more information on this subject and would be very grateful if you could give me a direction...to look!

If I had a quid for every spiritalist, medium, witch, High priest, High priestess...ect..ect over the many years which has warned me about meddling in things that I don't understand, I would be as rich as Richard Branson!

Bring it on I say...what ever happened to adventure!

~TheBan~ as with the subject of vampirism, the dream subject is a theory driven subject with no valid proof save for the individuals psychological response and or reactions that come after they wake up. Since there is no visual proof of any dreams, said individuals could be just making something crazy up that put them in the loony bin in the first place.

Dream documentation is for a journal alone and not for scientific data since the research of dreams, again... has no valid picture proof.

It is not like an individual can just walk into anothers dream and there not be consequences for any action(s) thereof. What if one were to scape into anothers dream and try to meddle with their dream itself? Would this therefore be a sort of mental tactic for a breakdown purpose? Would that dream have significant impact on that individuals behavioral patterns?

One cannot just say that they are going to walk into another individuals dream, since that individual may only show up as an astral image of themselves as what ever image they desire, or their sub-conscious desires... Thereby having no real relation to their physical minds from the waking world. They have no choice in their decision, even if they were to think on it for 8 hours straight.

The only scientific proof of dreams is the R.E.M. sleep diagnostic utility that suggests an individual has hit that level of sleep due to brain patterns shifting as well as eye movement indicating as such.

What would you expect to gain from a dream scape? Valid proof that it can happen? For what purpose? To dream scape into others dreams to see what they are thinking about? I do not think this is any of someone elses business personally. A dream is a sacred thing in my book and should have no business being experimented on.

Talking the talk and walking the walk? What do you think I am, some kind of roleplayer? Get a life already...

Come to me when you are done d*cking around and want a serious discussion without the slightest of mockery for things that some either don't understand, or cannot comprehend. Not saying that you don't comprehend it, just don't call me out again. It puts me in a rather irritated spot.

Hell, if you see a storm in your dream or signs of rain, then it mayhaps be me as an element within your dream, mayhaps not. Mayhaps a brick wall, or a wall filled with moss. Who knows. Mayhaps a shadowy figure, though this could just be something that you brought on yourself on a subconscious level. One never knows what to expect when the challenge arises.

Oceanne , i,am up for doing some dream walking with other members of the rave and posting the results . I,ll message you .

I've always been told by others that you don't want to try doing these things without a friend or someone you trust. However i think once one becomes familiar and skilled enough, they can do just about anything themselves. If i knew how to do it, i would try it at least once. Hell i could already be doing and not even aware of it.

SS,You know I respect you.With that said,lets not try to make this out to be something it isnt..Im not going to go trying to change anything,and Im certainly not going to 'meddle" with his mind.Attempting to insert a certain image or a word isnt going to carry some heavy concequence either..on that I am pretty positive.So please dont say we are dicking around because we arent.If peeps truely dream walk,and I will say right now,I believe they can and do,they do it for whatever reason they have at the time...I sure dont hear anyone too concerned with all these consequences when they do it..or say they do.And to be honest? I really dont care other than if we get any positive results,it will simply show that yes,it can be done.Think of it as an inspiration of sorts.

Calling you out...is that like a duel or something?
I am, as a child would be, unable to stop themselves.... from writing *Quack*...you did say d*ucking!

There is a big difference between mocking, challenging, and humorous behaviour.

What do I think you are! I have no idea...if you have information though.. : )

Some either don't understand, or cannot comprehend. Not saying that you don't comprehend it.

I really do feel rather embarrassed that I have instigated an irritated spot! That was not my intention. I like to look at all options and have to keep in check this rather challenging and sometimes childishly humorous behaviour of mine. I get overly excited with any information connected to an interest of mine.

If I am reading what you have written correctly, most of what your saying is hypothetical.
Validity being a major factor in proving the existence of such an ability.

Then again, if the ability was substantiated, then is it possible that the mind would have a safe-guard to protect the individuals participating? As one can protect from a nightmare. Changing the environment, characters and outcome, within the dream state.

Or just by waking up.

The fact that I am willing to look further into this and to attempt to experience it, is part of who I am! The purpose, well as I wrote, I like adventure.

Any information and opinions are welcome.

If you and your group are going to attempt it, then I will enlighten you with pointers.

Don't think of any object or idea of what your intentions are before hand, as these thoughts may throw the experiment off.

Be completely relaxed and try to have a clear mind before beginning, meditation may help with this.

Before the meditation process, try not to watch the telly, read a book or listen to music as this may throw things off as well.

Instead, have a conversation with the group individua that you wish to participate with half an hour before the experiment begins, as the brain needs time to adjust to differant energy frequencies.

Candles and incense help to relax the mind and body. Taking a bath or shower before beginning does help alot.

Before the closing of the eyes, think deeply of the individual to which the experiment will couple with, thinking about what the dream may become and or who or what your image will be a representation of.

TheBan,you bring up an excellent point in that it is possible that we are equipped with a safeguard that would protect us from some or most malicious meddeling.It does stand to reason .

On another note,thank you SS for your tips.Who knows,it might very well help .I must say however,I still do not understand your position in declining,even though you have professed some of your reasons.
Ah well.

Im not realy sure what to expect,because I do feel that this would fall under the catgory of entrainment.That is to say,that while sometimes we connect ,it is a cycle,and at times we are in sync and at other times we arent.We will just have to see...

and thank you Moonbubble for your willingness to participate in this exercise.

Ok , ive had two long dreams last night , One of them was particularly weird , I,am just not going to post parts of it at all , but the rest of what i can remember will be my journal dated to the relavant days . Sometimes i can have up to five or six dreams a night , so theres probably going to be loads of useless info , but hopefully there will be something of relevance too .

Dreams will be in The Book of Dream .