There are several shows on TV these days about the paranormal such as T.A.P.S, Ghost Lab, Psychic Kids, Paranormal State, Celebrity Ghost Stores, etc and of course your shows like Medium, Ghost Whisperer and such....
Seems that the paranormal is becoming much of a hit as our vampires are!
So my question would be to all of you out there.....
Do any of you watch these type of shows?
Do you feel some come off more realistic than others, and if so which ones?
Do you ever have any questions that you ask yourself such as why do they not try this or use this etc?
If you ever thought about doing such work or have you done some yourself?
Ok your turn. Curious minds wanna know! :)
I believe some of it is real, but like all reality shows, its more of a Drama thing, working on trying to get people to act on just simple 'thought' in front of live tv to get others.
Granted the places people go to are actually haunted, some of them, I wouldn't wish to stay in period, the dead, obviously, not wanting to be disturbed. Once Camera's are on, thats one thing, but when there is nothing but you and the darkness... your at their mercy.
- Sin
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Paranormal Investigation
There is no doubt that the practice and faith of Spiritualism literally created the need for paranormal investigation. It would be because of the claims of the Spiritualists, about their contact with the spirits of the dead, that the need for scientific investigation of such claims would come about. Spiritualism not only created celebrities in the form of the mediums who profited from it, but it also made legends of the men who came along to question their claims. They were men like Houdini and Harry Price, who were hated by the Spiritualists for their debunking of the fraudulent mediums. These men did not investigate the Spiritualists because of their lack of belief in the possibility of ghosts, but because of the need to question the evidence that was being presented. Their scientific investigations would set the standard for ghost hunters to come and would establish the need to question the evidence of ghosts, ruling out all of the possible explanations for the activity before accepting the idea that the phenomena could be real.
Spiritualism was unfortunately riddled with cases of deliberate fraud. It was easy to fool the thousands of people who were looking for a miracle and many of the mediums and practitioners began lining their pockets with the money they had swindled from their victims. This is not to say that all of the Spiritualists were dishonest. Many of them were good and kind people who truly believed in the honesty of their faith --- and there do remain a handful of mediums and cases today for which no explanation has ever been found.
Regardless of the good intentions of some Spiritualists, the movement was soon under the scrutiny of investigators. Many of them were merely interested in exposing the cases of fraud, while others were intrigued enough to take a closer look at the reported phenomena associated with the séances. It would be from here that many of the early ghost hunters got their start. If not for Spiritualism, it is likely that paranormal investigation would not have advanced as far as it has today. But it was not an easy start....
Psychic investigation began just shortly after the birth of Spiritualism. By the 1850’s, science had managed to challenge the hold that religion maintained on society, offering a new version of the truth for people to examine. Mixed into this time period was Spiritualism, with its alleged proof of life after death, and the public became fascinated by it. Not long after though, many of the practitioners of this new faith were exposed as frauds and a division formed between those who believed in Spiritualism and those who did not. The scientific establishment, resentful over the fact that they had managed to break the hold that religion had on society only to lose their footing to Spiritualism, encouraged the debunking of mediums and had a blatant disregard for anything that even hinted at the supernatural. In spite of this, there was a small number of scientists who had taken the time to attend séances and who believed that there could be something to the strange phenomena that was being reported. They decided to try and apply the laws of science in investigating these reports.
By the late 1800’s, there were a number of scientists who investigated the claims of mediums. Perhaps the best known was Sir William Crookes, a eminent chemist. From 1869 to 1875, he investigated a number of mediums, including the famous Daniel Douglas Home. After witnessing a number of Home’s séances, he became convinced that the phenomena he saw was genuine and proved the existence of a “psychic” force within the human body. Crookes wrote a paper on Home and tried to have it published in the Proceedings of the Royal Society of London but it was refused. He then used his considerable influence to have it appear in the Quarterly Journal of Science instead. Needless to say, it caused an uproar in the scientific community and both Crookes and his work were discredited.
Two scientists who watched Crookes’ plight with sympathy were Professor Henry Sidgwick and Frederick Myers. They firmly believed in the possibility of supernatural phenomena. Myers had attended an 1873 séance conducted by Charles Williams, where he had felt the hand of Williams’ spirit guide, John King, melt away to nothing while he was still holding it. It was experiences like this one, combined with the attacks on Crookes, that persuaded Myers, Sidgwick and a friend named Edmund Gurney, to form an association of people who were interested in investigating the paranormal. Among the group’s first members were future British prime minister Arthur Balfour, his sister Eleanor, Lord Rayleigh and Stanton Moses.
One of their first investigations was of a medium named Henry Slade in 1876. By that autumn, Slade and another medium were charged and found guilty of deception but this did not deter the group in their search for genuine phenomena. Over the course of the next six years, the group continued their inquiries and soon found themselves mixed in with a small number of Spiritualists and interested individuals who were also attempting to conduct investigations of the paranormal. Finally, in 1882, a committee was formed with Sidgwick as the president, which became the Society for Psychical Research. The initial membership was mostly made up of Spiritualists and friends of the Sidgwick group like Lewis Carroll, Mark Twain and William Gladstone. They formed six research committees to investigate hypnotism and clairvoyance; telepathy; sensitives; mediums; ghosts and hauntings; and records and archives. The members of the SPR could then devote their spare time to investigating whatever subjects interested them.
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I used to watch those ghost hunter shows all the time. I remember when I was much younger, there was one that was a sort of game and had it split people into color coded teams. That was fun. I think that maybe one or two of the shows are real, or at least that they do end up finding some real stuff, but the ones that make a big production of a shadow on the wall that could easily be their own... just tastes like fake to me.
I stopped watching those shows a while before I stopped watching TV altogether, because the people became frustrating. Sometimes they would yell at the spirits, and be it real or phony, you should never disrespect the dead. Not only are some potentially malignant spirits, but that's just very unprofessional and rude, and some dumbass teenager could go to a very real haunted place and think they are being cool, and end up dead for pissing off a spirit.
I had entertained the idea for a brief time of maybe trying to go into this career, but it is very difficult to pursue and you can never really go into anything else after that, if you've been publicized as a "Ghost Hunter".
During my own experiences, i have seen shadow spirits, have had toys being played with, electonics messed with, and have had full on contact with a couple.
I suppose because of these experiences they sort of draw me into watching and listening to other people's stories and whenever the shows catch something, i tend to question things and come up with my own conclusions as to what it might be.
I agree, i don't feel they should try and say things to anger a spirit that they have no clue of who or what it might be.
I do favor the shows that try to debunk some of the things that might come off as an "answer" to their questions. At least they own up to what things could have been.
I often wonder why don't some of these shows bring along psychics to help them sense where some might be and then have the investigators try to record or catch something by EVPs, or why do they not use more things that ghosts are known to use such as toys esp if children are known to lurk around, or use cameras just about everywhere around a place instead of certain spots?
Is the equipment too expensive or are ghosties smarter than we think or is the equipment just not that advanced enough?
If the spirits are "intelligent", then i assume the people on the shows saying..."This is your captain speaking!", or "This is your new boss, get down here or your fired.." wouldn't really do anything except maybe drive them away or maybe not want them to come around at all.
It does come off rather unprofessional even to me, and most of the time i question how come they aren't using MORE during the shows.
Btw thanks to all that's responsed so far. I enjoy the reading material and the comments. :)
My favorite love to hate show in the UK is Most Haunted, especially when Derek Achorah was the resident medium.
I classic example of a bad show
I am a Big fan of all paranormal shows
I like Ghost hunters they try to disprove hauntings
and i do believe in a lot of the shows however sometimes
I feel they talk to much instead of listening
I want to start my own paranormals things
I have seen ghost all my life I am really passionate about
it all unless one really truly believes there are things out there sometimes we cant see
you don't allow self to be open in anything so how can some explain with out
experiencing it ( my Thoughts)
I watch Pararnormal State and Taps fr entertainment.
I work with a ghost Hunting team and the very first thing we do is try to debunk claims.
Honestly, I think some of it may be real. The rest is oh, so fake. There are a few places that various people from the shows have visited that are actually haunted, but not many.
Most of the crap in the telly regarding the paranormal is hoakie to begin with. Psychic kids? Give me a break... B-rated shows that show white trash adults trying to mimmick the show TAPS is crap in my opinion.
It kind of pisses me off when someone goes to a certain location and testifies to pyschically tuning into entities that are not there or to foul up the investigations and still get the air time and the payment.
To me, these fraudulant piles of horsepucky can cancel at anytime.
More power to the TAPS team that came up with the concept of "debunking" instead of trying to prove that ghosts actually exist by some fraudulent variation of a woman with a headache, claiming to have encountered some sort of "molevolent" demon or something.
I love the show psyhic kids. I watched one episode with my bff about a group of sisters who were psyhics and how there parents didnt believe them. But when they got to see a Medium he showed them how to use there abilites and to be careful. Now sometimes I dont like how they yell or be mean at some of the spritiual energies in there area. I think thats highly unprofessional and insentive. Ive never saw spirits but Ive have felt them as in something is not right kinda feeling or why is there sooooo much saddness in this room or Or the feeling of a object or someone emotions. Alot of the shows I think some are fake and others are real. I dont really know.
And alot of them are reality shows, trying to get popularity ratings on tv. I feel many of them trick the people who have psyhic gifts and those whove felt spiritual energies into telling there stories not cause they truly want to know but for tv ratings. And thats sick. :(
When I can I watch the show Mistero on the Italian TV, I find most of it interesting and make journal entries about what I saw on the show.
I learn and search on the internet for more information.
I get more curious, still have doubts though, well I have a fascination for these things but I also watch these kind of programs for entertainment too.
I am still wondering when all the shows are going to quit pointing the camera at the hosts of the show, and away from them toward the spirits within the buildings or around.
All the time I see, "ohh did you see that? That shadow passing by that door?"
Of course the viewers did not see the so called "shadow" because we were busy looking at your ugly mugs!
This is the most irritating part of those shows, the camera points in the wrong direction for the misdirective purpose. It fails miserably in my opinion because it ruins that anticipation value of actually seeing those so called "phenomonon" when they happen.
Thus, is a damned good reason why most of those shows are bunk.
Oh, and the comment toward the psychic kids show that stated something about the kids yelling at the so called spirits? Yes, it is for sensationalism alone. Otherwise the viewers may think the kids were mental or something... This may be what the show's producers may be wanting to tell their audience in a subliminal so to speak.
What ever people... Watch what you wish. If you don't like it, change the channel already.
A Maltese program was like that, that's why I refused to watch it.
Mistero I think is better, because they go to the place and ask the people of that location and talk with people who did research about the topic of that night's.
Some still doubt this program, in my case I just watch it for entertainment, if something makes me so enthusiastic that I'd search for it on the internet, it's interesting for me.
I am not going to believe anything but the interest and curiosity is there.
I don't watch ALL of these programs however i do enjoy watching a few of them and listening to the celebrities stories whenever i catch it. Not all of the shows are the same. Each have their own ways of going about investigating from what i have seen.
I think most things can be explained in some form through more research, however i'm with the rest of the posters here that say, sometimes there can be exceptions where something COULD be really proven by them on a more paranormal level.
I understand where some of the hostilities may come from SS when they say "did you see that?" and it's always towards them. lol It does drive you crazy.
I don't know if anyone watched TAPS last night but i thought it was interesting when they used their meters to ask spirits questions on a ship, and whatever it was, communicated back with them. Actually they used their meters much like the old school days of the Ouija board. Yes/No questions. If that worked....I would have kept using those until i figured out exactly who i was speaking to. Simple as that. lol
I've yet to watch a single episode of TAPS but I think I'm going to look it up now. I've heard only good things about that show so far, from both people on here, obviously in this forum (unless I've missed something) and my own friends who still own/use their cable.
Have any of you seen that show, where it poses to be some kind of traveling show about the history of different haunted places, and then in the middle of interviewing the owner a team of 'paranormal investigators' bust in? I wish I could remember the name of it, but they do a horrible job of actually investigating anything. They stomp all over the premises and demand that ghosts show themselves, etc. The owners get very upset.
I've never even heard of the psychic kids' show, but from the sound of it, it seems like total BS... though I could be wrong. Kids do often see things more clearly than adults do, especially when it deals with the perception of the supernatural realm. I still remember one instance as a child that I had, and I saw something I still swear was supernatural and real.
But, I digress.
Well in theory, they say children are closer to the source, so in believing in such, a child's perception and openness to certain things, whereas an adult may not be, could explain these reasons.
I think it's hard for anyone to buy into these tv shows simply for profitable reasons. Taking people's real life personal experiences and turning them into what comes off as BS....
TAPS really seems to be the most reasonable although there have been some cases where i think they could have done a much better job of things. I also think that certain people can draw out 'spooks' probably better than others , and that too should be considered.
TAPS all the way. By the way they have a book out. heven't read it but have seen it at Barnes and Noble
I love Taps and Ghost Hunters International. I feel they are the most professional of them all. I seldom miss any of their shows. Most all the others aren't worth wasting the time to watch them.
To get a realistic objective and avoid becoming an armchair critic its quite easy for those who have genuine interest to join a local investigating group, there are many in the UK and thousands in the US who are under the radar, small local groups of individuals that happily take volunteers with them.
This way you get to see first hand what happens then can further appreciate what happens on TV and how that reflects in the real world
Its easy to sit there are wave the arms about screaming rubbish, nonsense at the TV but until one has learned the intricasies of investigating paranormal claims, one just looks a little hypocrytical
That's true, that children can perceive things that adults can't. I know that because of their innocence, their opinions of the world and of life aren't formed yet, and therefore their minds aren't clouded by logic and reason so as to push away anything that adults don't see as 'reasonable'.
Kind of makes you wonder. If you're spending time with your kid and suddenly they start staring off into space, or pointing and giggling at nothing in particular that you can see... is there actually a spirit in your presence that you can't make out on your own? Sends chills down the spine.
And to LordBaalNox...
Really?? I've never heard of such a thing. Then again, I suppose I haven't looked too deeply into it myself. That's something I would definitely be interested in, but I wouldn't know where to start looking or how to go about finding such underground type groups. That's just me assuming that they wouldn't necessarily want their presence announced to people, and would be difficult to contact.
Hmm... new project underway for me.
i have seen/experienced a few things in my life that i have no explanation for. i wont automatically call them ghosts, but if the sheet fits......
what i dont understand are those that dismiss such phenomena outright regardless of the facts of the case. i agree that a certain skepticism should be used, but also ones mind , just as in any science, should be open to possibilities.
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LadyRavnos
The internet is great for finding paranormal investigators around the world
Type it into google paranormal investigator groups (insert area)
or ghost hunters
I know it sounds cheesy but that google key words for you lol
happy hunting and have fun
LordWolf, I agree. I mean... I understand the need to try and find a logical explanation for things, but when it gets to the point that there ARE no logical explanations, and people still vehemently refuse to see that it could be because of something that is UNexplainable and unreasonable... that's just getting ridiculous.
And LordBaal, thank you :) I will get right to this.
When are such Investigators going to start long term observations of locations. How many shows have around the clock coverage?
Imagine a family stating they are constantly witnessing suspect activity in their house. Why not just Hidden, and direct cam the house for a month?
hehe i agree with that too Dab. that would be a great thing to try and see maybe what goes on through the night while you sleep even by leaving these investigative toys around. sounds a little like that movie Paranormal Activity. lol
Wonder why so many are depending on others to prove or disprove what they know is happening to them. but that is the way of people, have someone else do for them what they could do. at least they could get some info on a digital recorder or camera to let the investigators know that there is something going on, not just tell them. but that is my opinion... lol.
I see your point, That is why there is Paranormal Claims Investigation, which preceeds any Investigation of Occurances. All tales have a transparency, a scripted feel. if you have two people for example, one that is fabricating, or embelishing something, and the other who is actually perplexed about something they observed that was not immidiatly explainable. To immidiatly accept that what happened was unexplainable is Phenomena/Apparition is naive.
However there is always the potential for others who heard of an observable occurance grafting the event for their own pretenses.
Mysterious happenings are not always Paranormal, unexplainable perhaps, but too many work it backwards, rather then elimenate plausible explainations that could well account for the occurance to be perceived as paranormal. There is a satisfaction in discovering (solving a mystery), as in being astonished by some paranormal confirmation. It could also save face in the long run, it is so embarrasing when people insist that something was Paranormal Phenomena, only to have it discovered that it was either a hoax, or simple anomoly of light, or material physics.
The shows on TV are just that..shows.
Most of the groups in the UK you can join and come along to are pants...well if you don't mind paying £50-£60 quid for the privilege! And joining up to thirty people to investigate.
It's a money making racket!
The only way to be sure is to go it alone as I have done for many years. I do join groups as I have done on occasion.... the way the mediums act are comical.... I would like to actually see something, instead of being told I have seen something.
Do any of you watch these type of shows? I do watch Medium and Ghost Whisperer. I have in the past watch a paranormal investigation show here in Australia.
Do you feel some come off more realistic than others, and if so which ones? I think the paranormal investigation type shows do come off as more realistic, however at the same time you know it is all heavily edited for the thrill factor alone.
Do you ever have any questions that you ask yourself such as why do they not try this or use this etc? I haven't really asked this question, mostly because I wouldn't know what they could do differently.
If you ever thought about doing such work or have you done some yourself? I would love to do this kind of work, just for the fun of it :D
well, myself, I can said that I never watch any of those programs mentioned. May be because deep down in my subconscious, I don't believe in them. But, by me don't believe in them, doesn't mean they are real. Is just my opinion.
Newer thread open about Ghost Hunters and the tv shows listed.
Thank you.