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"Black magic, or commonly referred to as dark magic, is a form of sorcery that draws on assumed malevolent powers. This type of magic is invoked when wishing to kill, steal, injure, cause misfortune or destruction, or for personal gain without regard to harmful consequences to others. As a term, "black magic" is normally used by those that do not approve of its uses, commonly in a ritualistic setting. The argument of "magic having no color, and it is merely the application and use by its user," backs the claim that not everything that is termed as "black magic" has malevolent intentions behind it, and some would consider it to have beneficial and benevolent uses. These uses would include the like of killing of diseases or pests. Practitioners that utilize magic in this way argue that the effect itself is malevolent by causing death (with the above example) to insects, but as an indirect consequence of black magic, good can be a result, such as in the form of less pests around, etc. In this school of thought, there is no separation between benevolent and malevolent magic because there is no universal morality against which magic can be measured."


What is your opinion on Black Magick? Or Magick in general. Do you agree with this statement, or do you believe there are other means towards Magick?

There are a whole libraries of writing dealing with magic. This subject have inspired wonder, terror, skepticism, doubt and curiosity in the human race. Historically speaking, the word "magic" derives from the Magian religion practiced in the ancient Persian empire. Its priest were known as magi, the same who brought gift to "Jesus". Histories of magic frequently share their contents with the history of witchcraft. During the early Middle Ages witches and magicians attracted little hostility, but by the end of the fifteen century they had become the targets of opprobrium, loathing and mass execution by churchmen and the judges of the Inquisition. In 1486, the Malleus Maleficarrum established the intimate relationship between devil and witch, and its argument held until today. Black Magic has existed for many centuries and still exist today. The above statement is just a note about how long magic go back in time. The word Magic, from the Latin Magia, signifies the practice and study of the occult. Black magic, or Sorcery, refers to the destructive aspect of this art, feared because it is deliberately malevolent, causing death and misfortune. And the answer to your question is, yes, I do believe in Black magic and the power created to those who trully master this beautiful art.

Your synopsis of Black Magick is the typical misconception of those who are not versed in Magick

Although I am inclined to scoff at this rather bland, vague and depthless description of Black Magick I will not be offereing a thesis of my own for this reason

The study of magick is a hard, long and arduous process and to create a thesis for your understanding of it in such a short space as this message forum would not do it justice

Please do not take offence of this, but you must understand. Look at it further if someone asked you to sum up the bible in one paragraph after you'd spent years studying it you'd be inclined to say no.

LORD, are you referring to KontrollDamien statement or my. just curiosity. Thanks and have a nice 2010.

KontrollDamien, You used in your statement, the word MAGIC, and in your title MAGICK. Two different words with two different meaning. Magic is the original word, but, Aleister Crowley, added a "K" at the end to make his magic different then the original. Just my two cents to the subject.

there is no such thing as good or bad magic it only becomes bad when that person using it has a bad heart or evil intentions magic is a force nothing more i praise and respect those who can perform such feats

I would expect a certain degree of consistancy from anyone implying that they are aligned with Magic/magik/or 'megick'. If english is your second language, I apologise in advance. But I would still expect a a consistancy in ones presentation.

LB
I agree, too often people with superficial fancy to a Craft/ Art phish baiting with the ever present cliche.. "Your opinion please."

Your summary Markus, Spot on historical. I had not known it was Crowely that put the "K" in magik, I have heard people imply that it has earlier origins.

I am watching this thread to see how it develops.

Any degree or manifestation for the purpose of energy use is neither black nor white, but grey. Those of whom do realize this, are the true practitioners of the esoteric ways. Since they are more inclined to understand the arcane meanings and purposes behind the ancient rites.

More then often those who allowed the assumtion of "Black Magic" depended on the rumor, more then any practice, or craft.

A weak individual, with no social prestige (very important in days of yore) had to have an edge.

Such individuals would engage in deceptive behavior, undermining others to gain prominantes. However the price to the individual was constant maintance of such henious behavior taxed the mind, and health. One had to watch ones back, and ask constantly, "Was that a person..or associate of a person .. I may have slyly betrayed.

Skulldruggery, and Social engineering, often aiming to corrupt estates, heirs, governing figures, all to gain an unstable self absorbing power.

Then however their were those who studied such practices to be able to identify, and null intending individuals.

I use Magick personally. The statement in which I used was from Wikipedia, which I came across the other day. I did not agree in what was said. That is why I am asking if anyone agreed with the statement found in Wikipedia, and if you didn't, what Magic or Magick meant to you.

My remark was to KontrollDamien and its a wikipedia is a dangerous place.

Black magick or black magic in the term that was written by KontrollDamien, wikipedia, is the common analogy created by the dispicable control freaks of right hand path religions, those same people who profess to know so much but indeed know so little.

The usage of the K in magick was indeed used by crowley and the teachings of Thelema.

The usage is purely subjective so that when it was written by thelemists one would now that they were talking about a craft rather than a card trick. The K is not used by every esoteric order or teaching of the left hand path and so I would propose that those who use the spelling with a k and without a k in the same sentence could have learned from different paths, be ecclectic in there thinking and hence be lazy in the way they type out loud.

so to speak

Thanks. I have a question for the thread author, what do you personally 'use' "magick" for?

LBN, I had often pondered the variation, and its practical purpose, I was in the right ball park with my reasoning.

I have known people who claimed to be into Black Arts, yet it was evident they were only standing in the shadows, with their eyes closed. It all came down to an attempt at appearing "sinister" to their peers. While they lacked any personal courage, they let rumors build.

What price such charade? Would one be taxed mentally?

Well I believe in Black magic as t when you use it for ill will even if you are killing a bug your still killing something and playing god or whatever. Yet, this is how I have always been taught and raised that evil is evil and good is good.

Some will disagree I am sure because magic is not as easy as black and white, there are so many different levels of learning and actually understanding that some could not even Fathom.

As was said earlier, there is not enough room in the htread to give it justice.

"Black magick or black magic in the term that was written by KontrollDamien, wikipedia, is the common analogy created by the dispicable control freaks of right hand path religions, those same people who profess to know so much but indeed know so little."

I am going to have to disagree on this paragraph. Wikipedia is an open information data base that can be edited at anytime by anyone under the sun. Not just those "control freaks." I have edited a few subjects to which I disagreed to, just to shed some more light on contradictive information.

If anyone thinks certain subjects have mis-information contained within them, are free to edit the subject matter at anytime, if the information they have is pertanant and valid regarding the subject matter itself.

Thus, the stated paragraph is a moot point. Read the wiki guidelines before touting nonesense.

I'd just like to throw into the mix the difference between Magic and Magick...

Magic is illusionary. For example, a Magician pulls a rabbit out of a hat, that is Magic. Stage Magic to be exact.

Magick is the manipulation of energy to cause a desired result.

Black Magick I always thought was any form of Magick that went against the Wiccan Rede, "And Harm ye none, do what thou wilt."

I believe that there is no Black Magick persay only the Intention of harm or hurt while using Magick there are dark aspects to the Goddess and God as should be expected..

"Black Magick I always thought was any form of Magick that went against the Wiccan Rede, 'And Harm ye none, do what thou wilt.' "

Since most practitioners of the esoterics and metaphysical sciences know that all energy is grey, thus black and white do not exist but reside within that "grey" area and thus are not called black or white, would deem those who stereotype themselves into groups such as "Wiccan" or "Witchcraft" and choose to follow certain guidelines or rule sets regarding their chosen practice, ie Wiccan Rede, as unlearned regarding the true practice of the energies around us that are given by the universe.

Practice what you will, but be a bit less niave regarding the energies themselves. Black and white are simple words and nothing more. No conduit is needed save for the purpose by which it is used. Positive or negative, is up to the practitioner, but the energies are not intended for either way... They are simply there for distribution based on what the benefit calls for.

vvSoulshroudevv I am not saying that wikipedia is nonsense, but there are a lot of articles on there that are....

A lot of what is written is written by those that are not knowledgable in a subject such as magick, little knowledge is dangerous....

as you've said any muppet can edit it, so it can be a perpetual merry go round of misinformation, edit, misinformation, edit

My point was not to RELY on it

Dab, not sure on that one mate, but anyone who touches on magick and is doing so with ill intent should tread warily

Then in turn, those "muppets" who have given it food for the garbage could benefit from those naysayers such as yourself as the correcting factor.

Instead of stating any negativity for the wiki, why not just remedy the issue by using corrective practices with your own words? Correct the mistakes and errors that you see. This is what could benefit the wiki above all, and with the proper corrective action(s), it could turn out to be a better site over all with useful instead of useless information.

I know your right but I wont i'm far to lazy and selfish that i'll just leave it and maybe i'll also leave it just in case i'm wrong as well :-P

I prefer not to believe in dark or good magic but rather how a person tends to use magic as to whether it is good or bad.

In ancient times there was no distinction for "Magick" on any level. These connotations came to be as the result of individuals attempting to deride another into persecution, and then later adopted by the church. For many years the so-called white magicians / witches existed side by side with the church, and then eventually through rampant fear mongering, magick as a whole was determined to be evil. As for the lines being drawn between those that practice magick, i.e. wiccans, witches, pagans, and the like they do so simply to imply that thay follow a righteous path so to speak.
I do not believe in black magick, as was stated in an earlier post, it is a force, and as such has no polarity, or signifying nature. It simply is. And for lack of wanting to argue, it is gray, if we must lable it with a color, or lack thereof.

As to whether or not there is any retributive factor, that would all depend on your view of the universe and its' nature. If you prescribe to the dictates of the wiccan rede, or kharmic belief, and the notion that if you send ill will out, you will get it back (in some cases x3), then I suppose ill will come back to you. However, if you do not prescribe to such notions, then it would come down to the old west type of scenario. The, eventually you will cross a gun that is faster / stronger than yours being the only determining factor of punishment / retribution.

For dabs question about maintaining the charade / facade, keeping up with any false image such as this can be taxing on the mind to some degree I would think. Especially if one is attempting to stand with others that are truly in the know. Some of whom, may become angry at the charade and visit their own retribution upon him. So, yes, I would say their could be consequences to the mind of said individual.

Enjoying the thread, Thanks for creating it.

LuciferChylde

Haha, no problem LuciferChylde

My thoughts

There is no such thing as black magic or dark magic or grey magic...ect...ect I feel it is very egocentric of people to state that there is!

There is only magic and I am embarrassed by the mystique which people still feel the need to give it.....of course in most cases it is because those sort of people attempt to make a profit by giving it mystique..ect..

As TheDoctor has said it is how the person uses it.

yes it isnt evil magic or good magic it is an evil person or good person. Over time ppl have confused the two

People or the church, or both...hmmm

negative positive perhaps, rather then "good" "evil"

Like D

I don't see a reason at all for using it. When things come back to you 3 fold at least in my belief . 3 times as bad can't be good at all

Lol, that's the other thing, why 3 times as bad? Why not 10? ^^

My belief is that black magic refers to witchcraft or any type of magic that is intended to do harm against the target of the spell. It differs from white magic which is magic intended on protection. Society mostly think of black magic as witchcraft which led to the Salem Witch Trials.

I can sum up magic in two words energy and intent, the "color" of the magick lies in the intent of the one who sends it out. As far as the other part of your question you cannot have one without the other(white or black) balance is kee in all magic.

That is indeed true. Balance is all in the magic. Yin and yang, black magic and white magic.

my remarks are a bit redundant after the post by soul shroud (and less well written), but basically ...ditto.

the manipulation of energy to accomplish a task is not white, not black but gray. is electricity light or dark? its just energy...i can use it to light up a hospital, or to power an electric chair, but the energy is just energy. a gun can provide food for the table, protect ones family, or kill the innocent...but the gun is only a tool...not good, not bad.

ill stop there as i dont want to offend anyone...and the rest of my thought on this might do just that.
~W~

well, magic depends on the user intentions. Malicious intentions leads to black magic. Kind intentions leads to white magic.