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Erinyes
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07:42:24 Jan 28 2010
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Do you believe if someone is dead for too long it is a bad idea to bring them back?

Have you ever heard stories of people being dead for too long and when brought back to life acted not their normal self?

What kinds of things do you think can affect a person or happen to them physically, mentally or spiritually if they were to be brought back to life after being dead for too long?

Have you ever heard any stories on anything like this?

If so please share them.

All comments and opinions are welcome.




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07:46:40 Jan 28 2010
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Are we discussing a situation after a period of 10 minutes of clinical death here?



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Erinyes
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07:49:22 Jan 28 2010
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The possibilities of coming back to life after what would be considered the normal time to not bring someone back and what effects it could possibly have scientifically or theoretically.



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08:20:33 Jan 28 2010
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Once a person is fully dead for more than 30 minutes, without drastic forms of preservation, it is beyond the realm of possibility to bring them back. As a scientist one of my favourite things to do is try to think of new technologies and it's effects on civilisation and I've never seriously thought of nor heard of anything that could bring someone back from the dead under normal circumstances.

Even modern cryogenics is more a waste of money than ever going to be possible. The brain once void of circulation turns into mush and no amount of freezing and future technology will reverse that.

And should there really be a soul in my opinion once it has left the body and total death occurs I don't see any way to force it back into the body with science or "magic" or anything else.

When death happens and is fully instated might be up for debate, 5 minutes, 10, 30 even and hour and in many circumstances immediately but beyond the hour point I am 100% positive you can't do anything more with the body except burn/bury or turn it into some display.



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14:29:45 Jan 28 2010
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I agree. Re-animation isn't possible.



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14:32:49 Jan 28 2010
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from what i know x is right. but if so, there would be severe mental damage. which occurs(if im not mistaken) within 5 mins of the brain not having oxygen



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18:21:21 Jan 28 2010
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I just watched a repeat of Star Trek Voyager last night.

Neelix dies for 17 hours and 7 of 9's nano tech brought him back to life.

He was devestated as he had no memory of the afterlife he had always believed in, the price he paid for coming back was a high one.



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Xzavier
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18:26:45 Jan 28 2010
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Sinora you just had to bring up Star Trek didn't you!?!? lol

It makes for great fantasy and conversation but I doubt even Borg nano tech could restore the body after 17hrs in this universe.



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18:35:31 Jan 28 2010
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No my friend, but on a serious note I think that some people are affected by not experiencing what they think/hope/ or not remembering.



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18:42:07 Jan 28 2010
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I do not believe that any being human or not could be revived after being dead for that long.In the real world it can not be done.Once the blood flow tot he brain/heart is stopped they begin to break down at the cellular level.



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18:46:51 Jan 28 2010
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I've heard a story or two about people being brought back after being "clinically" dead for a lenghty period of time-I can't, of course, say any of it was true, its just something I heard or read somewhere. It makes for interesting movie topic, though. I think we've all heard the stories about some guy sitting up on the autopsy table after being declared dead, but that might just be urban legend.



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19:04:35 Jan 28 2010
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Oh I fully agree that if someone does "die" and is brought back, say within a few minutes and if they didn't have some sort of "NDE" then it very well could alter how they look at things, their faith etc. My opinion on the matter though is you're not dead even when your heart stops. I don't think death occurs until after the brain ceases most functions, sometimes that's immediate and other times it may take several minutes. A person may not be aware of what's going on and they're headed down the road to total death but so long as the brain is functioning at a level where resuscitation is possible then you're not really dead.



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19:24:54 Jan 28 2010
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Some people have come back from the "dead" on the table mainly because their pulse and heart rate were too low to read,NOT because they were actually dead.



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02:13:06 Jan 29 2010
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as an emt, we always had a saying....
a person is not dead until they are warm and dead. now true, we arent talking hours here, but if a person drowns in an icy pond, they can be "dead" for considerably longer than someone that drowns in a warm pond, and still be brought back with minimal brain damage.

yeah...i realize that really isnt what we are discussing here, but frankenstein style reanimation is a bit much for even i, and i try to be open minded about many many things.
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15:38:12 Jan 29 2010
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your are right lord, if a person is dead from icey cold temps they can be revived and still be ok it is because the cold slows all the functions down to the body (heart,drain, cells etc.) so thye have a better chance of survival.
There has been many cases where people have fell into icey water and declared clincally dead yet, only to be revived with no side affects, yet, some have slipped into Comas andthen return later also fine.

Yet I do not believe that any being human or not could be revived after being dead for too long.
Once the blood flow to the brain/heart is stopped they begin to break down at the cellular level. which leaves you more of a shell of the person and not the person you actually remember or know.

It depends on alot of factors actually as for being revived after being *dead* for too long. 20 minutes is about as long as most medical personell will actually work on a person.
yet, that is just my own Medical Work Experience in my life.



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22:04:19 Jan 29 2010
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Before their death.... what was going through their mind?

If they tried to kill their self, then they should not be brought back, cause their action was to not kill others. If they are stopped from killing their self, then they will try to kill others for not being able to kill their self.

Reanimation is possible, yet it's easier to materialize a new body rather than to control an old one like a puppet. Actually, possession is the easiest form. Most possessions share a body, they don't usually take it over.

Near death experiences can awaken new abilities, making them feel like they did die and not fully back in their body.

Regarding time though, time only exists in the physical so once dead, centuries would appear only as seconds. Everything overlaying and interconnecting as one place. The only question would be how did they feel when they were last alive cause that's how they will probably feel when brought back. If they can be brought back. Beyond what we can see, it's difficult to say who is who.



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23:30:15 Jan 29 2010
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Technolgy has not got that far in this life to bring back the life of someone that has passed. Fictions in the science, cloning possibility yet the perception of life given back would they be a vegetable or some other state in which themselves wouold not want to exist.



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02:14:42 Jan 30 2010
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If you truly believe reanimation is possible or even possession...without F/X,or editing done,video tape these actions and share them.Xzavier is a scientist,he knows what is possible and not...Read what he has to say.

*imagesinwords edit* The author closed this thread (as the thread author is allowed to close their own thread), but closed with an 'RIA'. I re-closed it as RIP since we're no longer allowed to use RIA in the main forum as per Cancer.



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