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n., pl., -ties.

1. The quality or condition of being a person.
2. The totality of qualities and traits, as of character or behavior, that are peculiar to a specific person.
3. The pattern of collective character, behavioral, temperamental, emotional, and mental traits of a person: Though their personalities differed, they got along as friends.
4. Distinctive qualities of a person, especially those distinguishing personal characteristics that make one socially appealing: won the election more on personality than on capability. See synonyms at disposition.
5.
1. A person as the embodiment of distinctive traits of mind and behavior.
2. A person of prominence or notoriety: television personalities.
6. An offensively personal remark. Often used in the plural: Let's not engage in personalities.
7. The distinctive characteristics of a place or situation: furnishings that give a room personality.



Most everyone wants to belong, and a few want to be excluded, from social sub cultures, and popular mainstream social groups.

The spectrum of dedication fluxing on a case by case bases.

But even before one is accepted, or embraced by the social group their personality is examined, that is human nature.

Before peers except a person revealing their recent affiliations the personality is forefront.

So if a person is abrasive in matters outside their beliefs, then they will be received with no enthusiasm, they may even invoke others to mock, or laugh at them, but at the core it has nothing to do with their Belief, or recently adopted identity.

So, do people patch neglected undeveloped personalities by affiliating with as many social identities as possible?

Should subcultures be prepared to handle such individuals?

I would be concerned that such a person would invoke plenty of drama, and through contradictions disruption.

Yes very true dab, alot of people's personalities clash with other peoples especially in a social society like this. But it every where, most people stay within the same circle as those that have the same personaility traits as they do.

When people neglect developing their personality they compensate by attaching themselves to social identity groups, which is not a good idea at all.

It is as if they are imposing upon the social group, "I claim to be one of you, so except me."

Then on a general population level the group identity takes precedence over the person.

" You can't reject me for my beliefs!", "Why is everyone ragging on me for what I believe/my convictions?"

when actually it is more their personality then the belief they declare.

A person can have the exact same beliefs and interests as you but at the same time act towards others and project themselves in a way that completely "rubs you the wrong way"...even when to outsiders the two of you should naturally be the best of friends. Personality and Social Identity (being the "clan" a person falls into just based on their interest) are by far two different things....and especially when someone is pretending to have these interests because they have decided there is a certain group they want to be a part of....then it becomes beyond abnoxious.

I think true bonds are more likely found within compatible personalities...even if their personal interests couldn't be more different....than between two people who simply like the same band or dress the same way.

I also think this concept becomes more relavent as you mature...in high school common interests place you in your proper group...the lasting friendships that form at that point are based on something greater.

How does this connect to a darker nature or the occult? Are you saying those interested in these topics are vapid? Having had a number of children, they are born with a basic personality and from there it is formed by interactions with family and peers. Social status namely being poor or rich tends to come into play sometimes. I don't see what the topic has to do with the site really unless you are wondering how one goes from A to Z in developing certain interests and certain beliefs and affiliations. What is the "basis" of it all?

It is like asking why does someone like peas and someone else not like them at all. I have to say regarding personality in some subcultures, it has a little to do with being bold. One stands out in a crowd but if you go too far you are then labeled either a poser or someone who causes a lot of drama. It is everywhere that people have an aversion to drama as they put it these days. There is so much talk about avoiding it that a topic like this would come up. I sometimes find it amusing.

It doesn't matter where you go, if someone works their way up in any stratum there will likely be some people who think they are "special" so to speak and will be troublemakers and instigators and clearly obnoxious. It really depends on who they insult and how in regard to outcome. If they have done things like write books or appear on television the likelihood of them being shunned is nil. It just doesn't happen. People resort to talking behind their back and being nice to their face. What does that say about the development of their personalities? I have seen it, heard it and lived it on occasion and it really has nothing to do with another person believing anything. Belief is a personal issue. No one is forced to believe anything they don't want to believe. It is more of a oneupsmanship game.

What makes this relevant, is that a common theme here is "Why won't people accept me for my identity?"

The assumption made by those with alternate beliefs, and reaching convictions that everyone who doesn't respond with emphatically to their adopted identity.

On one end of the spectrum is the Goth (vampire) Elitist..

on the other is the Goth (Vampire) Posuer.

Then on the fringe you have those who clutter f***
as many together as they can.

When a person lacks personality they are not gouing to get along well, with people who share their beliefs, or conviction, or people who opt not to concern/subscribe to those beliefs, or ideals.

It becomes clear that such people invest so much in their adopted beliefs because they are existing precariously through those beliefs.


No one is obliged to be a person BFF just because they have an interest (often token at best) in what they believe.


Isn't it redundant when every other thread is about How other people think about someones adopted identity?


To often those who put the cart before the horse are abrupt with their telling people their latest adopted ideal, yet seldom (if at all) offer any material summation in response to sympathetic inquiry..

If I understand you correctly, Dabs, your point here is that people with underdevelped personalities tend to compensate for such by aligning themselves with sub-cultural social groups and adopting such identity in partial substitute for not being accepted for who and what they are as individuals.

If such is your argument, this is most certainly true and well attested not only in sub-cultures but, frankly, throughout all of Society, whether sub-culture or mainstream.

Whether one chooses to identify as "Vampire" (sub-culture) or Catholic or Free Mason or even as a member of a local book club or community theatre group (all decidedly mainstream), one will find plenty of persons identifying as all such whose own personal development is lacking.

This, of course, does not mean to say that all or even most who identify as members of a group do so for reasons of social insecurity or lack of personal development, but undoubtably those who possess such difficulties will find far easier social acceptance being members of a group (mainstream or sub-culture, notwithstanding) than to attempt social interaction and acceptance on their own.


- Upir'

So, do people patch neglected undeveloped personalities by affiliating with as many social identities as possible?

Personally no, If i am interested in something i like to find out more about it and become involved but keep it within its rightful place - as an interest.

Indeed social identities within many areas would likely improve peoples understanding and knowledge of specific subjects it wouldn't necessarily alter the persons ability of applying the knowledge /skills within their own lives so as to using SI as patches well i guess so

Those types feed on other individuals. They know they are inferior and twist everything they hear and lie and cause trouble for others. One at a time, but the list doesn't end. When one is gotten rid of they go on to incite the rest of the grouips attentions on the next victim.

A strong individual doesn't needa group, a weak one always belongs to one.

What I really hate are the people always buying into the media and the " problems of society". It's embarrassing how many of tghese are females.

Once, here on the Rave, someone actually asked me for a website to back up my opinion. Believe it or not, there is the rare individual that actually deduces their conclusions about things for themselves. I wish this werte the norm instead of the exception.

i really really hate it but i have to put my social identity first most of the time. the analogy i use for this is wearing a mask.
i feel that i have to wear a mask almost all the time in fact, with my time on vr being one of my few exceptions.

were i 19 and in school, it would be easy to be exactly who i am (and i once lived by that) but as i have grown older there are too many expectations from those around you...
and so i conform.
~W~

CEJ,

You are relating (if I read your post right) the practical sensible person. Those who place their social identity in context.

If a person is socially abrasive that will be noted by potential associates, even before their beliefs are shared.

The manner I have seen some "fly-by" profiles employee regarding their beliefs is insulting, weather or not one shares their beliefs, inevitable such people sulk off with slander under their breath, about how persecuted they are because of their beliefs, when it is clear to anyone sensible that it was their approach, and demeanor that repulsed people.


The practice of shouting out, and hoping something sticks, is bound to get one ridiculed at the worst, or invoke others to inquire for basic information. If one is not prepared to manage such responses, then perhaps they should "work shop" their approach.

Elder Danial addresses this very well on his profile.


The potential damage comes when such individuals drag others into their presumed "beefs".

LW,

Is not being "19 and at school" the very height of young-adult "fratboy"-esque immaturity and irresponsibility?

upir
that is the height of when that behavior is evident, but it is also a time when young people are much more prone to aggressively be whatever they feel that they are.

the down side is that so many of them want to be different by finding a role model to imitate.

to me saying I WANT TO BE DIFFERENT, I WANT TO BE MYSELF...THEREFORE I WANT TO BE JUST LIKE HIM/HER.
is the height of stupidity.
still, i do admire the drive that causes it even if i dont often admire the results.
~W~

Well stated Wolf,

that is often a phase. It is the path of least resistance as well.

The desperate teen clings to the adopted role lacking the confidence to be who they are.

The functional teen is enriched through their social exploration.

The desperate teen is adamant about people embracing him/her for their role/social identity. To not subscribe to their belief is a personal offense to them. Yet on close examination it has nothing to do with the belief, or ideal, but with Them being received as exceptional, and significantly different then their peers.

I think many people have not found themselves to a point as well... we all have a point in our lives when we have decided who we are and where we want to go in our lives... how we want to look, what we will believe and so on... some people have a harder time determining what is right and wrong for themselves and decided to follow trends that are set as a form of experimenting... We have all done it...as children we wanted to be like someone older than us... maybe a mother or father...or a friend... so we acted as such even at times going to the extent of dressing like that fireman or doctor so we can "feel" the experience... adults sometimes do this as well...

it is human nature... whenever we pick up a trait or habit from someone else [like using a phrase a friend often says... or buying that ipod cuz a lot of other people have it and it looks awesome] is a form of mimicking. And no matter what anyone says...we all do it...

You wore clothes today right? Guess what? You just mimicked a behavior that your parents taught you at a young age. Nudists however wouldn't do the same thing...

Its very normal. Some people are just more extreme than others.

That is a part of natural behavior, yes. In this case, it comes too the individual who lacks personality imposing their adopted beliefs on others, demanding "tolerance". How ever the "tolerance" they imagine is Awe, and astonishment.

A person that wasted developmental time, and lacks any redeemable applicable skill, or talent is most likely to declare themselves A Member of the Golden Dawn, or High Circle of Mages.

Yet their lack of constructive aptitude makes such claims transparent. They are branded a Teller of Tales.

However currently they are sheltered by people who have no idea they are enabling such fantastical retreats from reality.

Wow, Mr. dabbler this is an excellent thread, and why not to give my humble opinion. Social behavior can not be fully understood unless "we" know to what causes people attribute their behavior and how they explain the behavior of others. Each person in society is a member of many overlapping social group: families, teams, church groups, work groups, and so on. So, We must create social roles to fulfill the group. Now, during the creation of those roles, personality always tend to influence the mind of the person choosing the candidate for that position. If two persons have different personalities, then, a rating scale must be conducted. Which must include a list of traits or aspects of behavior that can be used to evaluate the candidates. Also many people can hide their true identity to gain a position within any organization, these people are master mind, and can fool, even the best Psychologist. So, My opinion is, to evaluate the personality of an individual, before gaining a social identity, is not possible, because most of the human, contain many of multiple personalities.

I could never fit in, not even as a child, I always felt different but could not understand why.

By time I realized why.

Where I live the majority are closed in a sphere (metahorically speaking) and they don't want to get out of it and see what's out.

Therefore when I met like minded individuals, I thought I finally found my circle but I was wrong. Even there they had their sort of rules of acception, and unaccept anyone that doesn't fit in their own conformity.

Therefore I decided to accept myself even though I still have to know myself more, and just live.

You ask:

''So, do people patch neglected undeveloped personalities by affiliating with as many social identities as possible?

Should subcultures be prepared to handle such individuals?''

Yeah but what if the person is just misunderstood and thought to be poser?

I got told to be poser because I didn't fit in in the circle of their snobbish list of what is acceptable and what's not when these individials call themselves open minded.

Therefore I had two choices.

Or wear a mask and be accepted or just be myself. I chose the latter one, even though sometimes I have to be careful and not be much open due to certain social situations and locations.

Thank you DNG,

When the dysfunction saturates a collective that represents a subculture it is not hard to see that such people would be snobbish, and pretentious in any Social strata.. hip hop, to hippy
as people come, and leave (repulsed) from their collective they interpret that as lack of devotion by the departing petitioner..

gross misconduct within groups is perpetrated when leadership roles are gained by individuals with personal persecution complexes, or elitist mentalities. it is competition to them, ande to deprive new would be members any advancement potential they set hoops, then when the hoops are negotiated they set the hoops on fire.

But their is also the versa vis'

A would be member that is ego manical, demonstrating contempt for the new groups routine, or arranged method. Critical, yet unwilling to provide reasonable alternatives.

A jerk, is a jerk, regardless of their beliefs, and when a jerk is more out spoken then modest adherents, it is best that modest adherents assess who they go to bat for. Not all who draw fire, draw fire for their beliefs as they would have others believe.

hahaha....some people are just weak and need to be around stronger people who have their own identities... then they mimic them trying to become like them...

but obviously "it's the wrong way". [heh... sublime]

and once they feel embedded in that group, they strike out at all the "out group" people that the perceive to have persecuted them.


An ideal fertile ground for drama, and confrontation.

Let us not forget the person that actually expects everyone to
be "tolerant" to their person just because they profess a social identity, or belief. The same person that was abrasive, and lousy assumes that now everyone has to pay homage to them, just because they profess an ideal.

Lol I know more than one person like that, or how about someone that tries to copy your style, then when they fail they criticise it and call you poser?

Hah...

Sadly people need to fit in, and many have people who admire.

I know many people who act, talk, dress in a way just to please others, heh I said nothing new lol.

to each their own... if it makes them happy, I suppose... some people need more attention than others.

Attention is understandable, but when the intent is to cause disruption it must be dealt with. Socio-paths can strip the threads of any collective, just to amuse themselves.

.. to exemplify and illustrate: I have been a member of lots of groups, though none were my peers, nor could they be.. they needed their group, to find a sense of self: that same sense of self I had at sixteen and strengthened through learnt experience.

.. they need like members. I like people around me, who can think individually, without that herd mentality.

Hello Dabbler, now you see why I partook of this thread.
You already understand.. too well, for some, I feel.