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Here is a way you can "summon" such "things". Press your palms over your eyes, with your eyes closed,

after you take your palms off your eyes, look about, you will "see" what your friends are persuading you to be creepy entities, the whole thing is a camping dorm spook tale.

Nothing wrong with creepy crawly things, here is one of my mates showing off.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/earthnews/3353693/Giant-spider-eating-a-bird-caught-on-camera.html
Never seen a ghost, saw a something not of this Earth 8ft high stomping around snorting the cold night air... must admit I bolted the door, which incidentally -I now regret. May try it again at Samhain, any takers?

Maybe they're the ghosts of all the bugs you killed in your house.
In that case they probably want revenge, so.... be thinking about that. their lack of interaction is merely so you wont freak out when they amass in great numbers in your bedroom, MWAHAHAHAHA.

Seriously though, your friend might have been feverish, on something, lacking in sufficient food, there are lots of reasons people hallucinate but there are many more reasons they'll be dishonest. Often times someone will think they see something and later on exaggerate it, or their brain will just make it up altogether after they saw the ending of Stephen King's IT
Or THE MIST, which was chalk full of the bugs you described. only evil.

Well yes that is a good point about them being ghosts of the bugs killed in the house, people have seen ghosts of family pets so why not bugs, they are living breathing creatures as well.

To write it off as something mental or lack of food and such is pretty close minded. and of course that is just my opinion.

If you dont keep your mind closed just a little bit, you'll find yourself insane. especially when you are given no evidence, or any real detail other than the testimony itself.

I left out Lint caught in the lashes as well.

No giant bugs, but the occasional shadowy, possum sized, rodent-like creature.

It almost sounds like an off-shoot of the shadow person phenomena.

The idea is usually to work from common occurring natural sources, then to build a case for Para Normal.

It would suggest that you are already personally concluded that what your friend saw was para normal phenomena.


what was offered is similar to the case of sleep paralysis, people regularly lead people to believe that something physiological normal is a Paranormal Experience.

there are not phenomenal sources for what your friend describes, shadows ( and yes shadows are cast during the day).

or strain on the optic nerve.

you say you have never seen what your friend refers to, correct?

How detailed is your friend about size, number, locations that they are at, lighting..

all very important factors in any Paranormal Claims Investigation. Because before any account is put under investigation, the testimony needs to be considered by its merit. Why, and under what circumstance was the testimony shared? I simply related something that is very often used to spook teens by their peers.

A better way is to take a black mirror and sit in a quiet candle lit room with a knife in hand and make a blood offering; empty your mind for twenty minutes or so, then focus all your dark thoughts and negative energy, your betrayal, your loathing, your reasoning on the abyss and look beyond the face of the mirror for something stirring.
I strongly recommend this for all researchers looking for creepy crawlies.
P.s.Amateurs this IS not a safe thing to do as some of them bite...or worse!

When I was younger...about 9 years old
I was not dreaming, but would see snakes coming
out of the wall.
Crawling everywhere.
Noone else could see them but me.
I quit telling anyone about the snakes.
I remember putting the covers over my head and praying
they would go away.
I would have bruises on my arms where I pinched myself to make sure I was not dreaming.

Perhaps she is seeing astral parasites???

Some people are more sensitive and aware of things that others are not...

Here is a few links so that you can see if it sounds close to what your friend is seeing...

http://www.goarticles.com/cgi-bin/showa.cgi?C=2815287

http://www.muse-net.com/feb2706.html

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message743407/pg1

I am quite amazed at how many jokers and just down right rude people can be when someone asks a simple question, you don't have to believe in it, hell you don't even have to post in threads like this... hint hint

It sould be obvious that there will be people who are more rational about such things, and that to help a person dispense with automatically assuming it is some Paranormal phenomena.

So in a way it is rude to rebuke people who have a less then Phenomenal post. It is dismissing with arrogance actually.

So why not just ;post the thread,

"Lets talk about these things I am sure are paranormal entities. "

As it is it was asked.

yes...it could be something physiological in the person seeing it....

it does matter if they look very clear or if they are hazy indistinct forms.


have you ever listened to coast to coast on the radio at night?

they have never discussed bugs, but they have discussed shadow people.
~W~

HP Lovecraft wrote well off the Human Condition, and how pathos triggers so much in impressionable people. If every shifting shadow was to be feared, or accepted as an entity.. then what indeed would be the frequency of such things?


To declare that some are more sensitive then others, is rather telling of motives underlying such claims, and associated testimony.

Quoted from the one who posted this thread...

"And I posted this because I was curious if anyone else had experienced something similar or was familiar with what she's talking about. I wasn't wanting to know whether or not she's legit. No one on here can answer that question, only she can."

I myself am incredibly skeptical of paranormal occurrences. I have an open mind but I need to either have proof for some things or experience them for myself to actually wholeheartedly "believe" in something. With that being said when I stated before that there are people who are more sensitive, aware of, or in tune with, however you choose to call it, I was referring to things that are of a paranormal nature. It is my belief and I am entitled to it just as you are entitled to not. The purpose of this thread was to see if anyone had these experiences or was at least familiar with them. If anyone would like to debate the validity of such claims then perhaps you could start your own thread aimed towards just that.

I personally couldn't give a rats A as to what you or anyone else for that matter believes in or not. It is a personal choice and we are all entitled to it and with maturity should come the realization that we don't need to be rude, arrogant, or condescending to those who have different views than us. You speak of the human condition and pathos relating to the mind yet what does such behavior as above show of the pathos of ones heart?

That is my point, I do have experiences with such things, and I have knowledge of people who have had such vision related anomaly. Advising a person that their friend may be freaking out over something common is rational.

Also, worth noting is that certain medical conditions contribute to vision distortion, and blotting in sight. Enabling a friend to ignore a potential symptom of an onset blood pressure, or brain condition is not wise, all for being thrilled by alleged paranormal experience.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with being rational, but also there is nothing wrong with looking for answers outside what is considered the "norm" and rational reality. MY point is the way in which it was approached.

Why would it be considered wrong or unwise to entertain both realms in searching for answers. Yes if it was caused by an illness then yes that should be taken care of and yes you are correct in stating a possibility of what it could be, however you do not have to put down the other end of the spectrum either. I guess what I am trying to say is there is a gray area, not everything is always black and white.

I myself have had experiences that appeared to be paranormal at first but later turned out to not be the case and because I am not so open minded that my brains fall out and I research things and look for "rational" answers. I have also had experiences that do not fall into the rational thinking spectrum that I have been able to verify and know that it was real, even if it was only to prove to myself.

MY other point is that no one here needs to be right, but it would be great if we were all more respectful.

Just as you feel it is important to share your knowledge and experiences with this subject which is more on the "rational" side of things, I too feel it is important to look at things and possibilities of things, that tend to defy "rational" thinking. I have not experienced seeing these things but I do know of people who have (and they were very healthy well adjusted and highly intelligent people btw) you can also see by doing a simple google search of some of these things that they are experienced by many who have no "rational" explanation for it.

For the record I was not making light in any of my post, or being comical to the matter.

it all depends on ones spiritual beliefs... some people are more open to seeing things that most people cant... like ghosts, spirits... so on... this is a similar situation... one can simply not believe and they will never see... many people who do see these creatures and beings are religious to some degree... in whatever religion of their choosing...

but they may just be a form of a spirit... just how she perceives it... it is not uncommon for people to view things of spirit in a form that they are willing to understand and view... some see them as people... some see them as animals... and other creatures...

It sounds like this is her view of spirits... This is why there are many similar spirits that have different names and appearances all across the word... a "demon" in japan... looks nothing like the "demons" of England... and the "demons" of the native Americans are often seen as animals... while "demons" of Germany are often seen as elderly ugly people....

its the same thing.

makes me wonder if it is some sort of extra dimensional phenomena

~W~

sorry if the posts made you feel dumb, but there really wasn't much information to go on apart from that she had seen things, a couple places where she had seen them, and what they looked like every time, which may or may not have been in the course of five minutes.
i'm sorry but it happens.
Your second post was much more informative
but i'm sorry if you're disappointed in people for being slow to believe close-to-random people with semi-fringe testimonies.

Anyway, there are loads of rituals you can do to help them try to show you more of why they are there, rituals you can do to get rid of them, and rituals you can do enslave them.
And i dont like to dis people's posts, but you can probably dismiss GreenKnight's approach to it -_-
that doesnt sound safe even if there were no such thing as ghosts.

You might find this link interesting as well...

http://www.realmagick.com/articles/51/851.html

It could be so many things from physical to what some refer to as paranormal. Sometimes people see things that are symbolic of something else. It is a message to them. The fact that they don't interact with her makes me think of something like that. They could be floaters too or a problem that is physical in the brain or in her eyes. One cannot discount that. If this has been going on such a long time I can only speak personally from a metaphysical outlook since that is my background. Possibly it is something like shadow people except she sees something that has a more recognizable shape. There is a lot of information on that topic. Some believe that there are things above our ability to see that exist and possibly she is attuned to that. It doesn't seem to be harmful from what you have stated. I doubt you will find out any rhyme or reason for it unless it ends up it was some sort of health phenomenon that has yet to be uncovered even if it has lasted over years.

i try to if not just accept things as reality, to at least acknowledge the possibility that it might be real, and then look for ways that could make for such an event.

some choose to discount until they are slapped in the face with reality (and in some cases even then they wont accept).
i choose to (mostly) accept a story unless i can figure out how to disprove it.

science would dictate that i use the first method, but the second method makes for a far more interesting world.
~W~

It never happened to me or anyone else I know but you might want to read this story:


http://www.hplovecraft.com/writings/texts/fiction/fb.asp


In it is described a similar experience I think.

Even if it`s nothing but fiction, I thought it might be relevant. After all fiction is sometimes based on a true experience.

To see gray shadowed forms can be a result of eye medical issues. Always best to rule out the ideal that there my be something in her eye, I believe they sometimes refer to them as floaters. I don’t doubt a person could see paranormal creatures or animals due to I have heard many stories about such sightings, but she should rule out a medical cause. It sounds familiar to an eye disorder she may be experiencing and better to catch it early if possible.

my friend cliams too see sprits and ghost and they show up in her pictures and videos i have seen them and i believe that they are real but i really dont know what to tell her to do cause she keeps asking me and she told me one attacked her in her sleep so if any one has any help message me i would like it very much

(Bows in utmost reverence)

This is very strange and not a normal case. Before analyzing the case one should check whether any time the person been taking any antidepressant pills. If not, then this is new chapter to my quest of Para-normal things. Coz I did not see even any Angel in my life time.

Not to long ago I woke up in the middle of the night and just layed there for a minute, then when I would close my eyes I could see spiders, hordes of them all over my room. When I opened my eyes they were gone, I don't know if I was just dreaming and thought I was awake or what but it got me wondering.

@Reverend

I would suggest a google search of astral spiders to see if you find any commonalities with others who have experienced this. It is an interesting read.