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where do you think vampirism will go in the future

how do you see it evolving in possible changes and belief patterns

It will change, just as everything else in the world has changed... even religions bend a little to fit the standards of everyday modern life... It may not change drasticly, but it will.... and you have to take into account that many people follow viction moreso....and we all have seen how much a vampire has changed from Dracula to Edward Cullen. LMAO!

I personally think that guys are going to start wearing glitter all over their bodies to convince girls that they are vampires.

Also, they'll stop having sex and drive silver Volvos.

I think too many who identify as vampires expected White Wolf to disappear completely so that the story line they adopted would actually be more persasive.

i dont know i think that yes it will change but no one can truly say which way it will go and how much of it will change.

I would suspect that so many factions would splinter that the inner conflict will collapse the whole scene.

I'm shure plans are already being made for changes,for vampire living a rules and such.as human evolve and grow,vampires will have to keep ahaid... and plan for any future human events.
no one can tell the future on what will become between elders and happenings to extreem detail.
I say,just wait and see.
what 'I' think,
I think that the rules of the vampire will become more strict,and a few new ones added.more and more young and awakening vamps are comming in faster then we have elders or teachers.This is concerning.Maybe somthing will happen due to this.
not shure.

With the rapid groth of technology and our facination with body modification, I see vampirism becoming a chosen sergical alternative to the everyday human. Be it through computer implants making or genetic minipulation, the vampire will one day become a modification rather than a myth - as will most mythical creations that humanity idolizes.

The vampire culture existed before White Wolf and Vampire the Masquerade. The thing is that rpgs became popular with many people and some were in the subculture. Young people were creating groups which really became popular to do in the 90s. They are somewhat like lodges in many ways depending on what they are. Some have a hierarchy and others do not. There are many of them because I think many near the end of the 20th Century wanted some sort of organized culture. Now there are all sorts of groups, some social and others private organizations, it varies and as time passes and younger people awaken to the belief they fit into this culture there will be changes again to what things are labeled and some belief systems. There will be those who will never change their views and stand fast to the older ways of thinking and doing things. What is interesting is all of this varies by region as well. Yes, I think like any grouping they will change and evolve but I think it mostly will be trappings. Just because they incorporate lingo from fiction doesn't make them non viable. People do this all the time.

I think that soon the vampire fad started by twilight will probably die down and pop culture will zero in on some new fad, none of this will have any real effect on the vampire community though.

Oh I agree with FateUnseen (above).
Personally, I can't wait until the whole Twilight crowd leaves us alone for that next bright shiney thing that will occupy their tiny attention spans.

As for Vampirism And the Future...I can see a new wave of post apocolyptic stories and movies coming. Anybody read "The Passage"???....a world split into Vampiric beings dominating and killing off a shrunken human population that barely hangs on.

In the see-able scientific future, advances in longevity and health may push Vampires into a more superhuman realm.
The stronger mortals become, the stronger we become...of course.

"Oh I agree with FateUnseen (above).
Personally, I can't wait until the whole Twilight crowd leaves us alone for that next bright shiney thing that will occupy their tiny attention spans."

I had not known that "real vamps" were being picked on, and threatened by twilight fans heheh hahahaha

"Just leave us alone.. we want to be exclusive."
Peculiar plea, I'm just saying.

I meant here on this website.

I think that would be welcomed, the more the merrier, would you have it that everyone be so serious about vampires as you are? Whats wrong with a little teen/preteen fascination, how would that be a threat to a site? I am sincerely curious.

Oh don't sell me short. I'm the first one to have a good laugh at all things Vampiric, just check out my post in the "Vampires versus Demons" Thread. It's just that I get approached a lot by young Twilighters and have grown weary of that particular "facet"of the Vampire genre. I know I'm not the only one on this site that feels this way. And to stay on topic, we were talking about the future, and what our "opinion" is on Vampirism and the Future.

It could well be that Identifying as a Vampire could well fade as just a fade in the future.

I would like to see more distinguished amendment to what it means to be a "Modern vampire" but I suspect that this will not happen in the foreseeable future because of the wanting to simultaneously be mysterious, and accepted of most who identify as vampires.

I think that all things evolve over time... eventually just like all other things vampirism will evolve, and hopefully one day the entire world will know vampires are real.

not even people who claim to be vampires know what makes a "real vampire" so how will there ever be an education, of "the masses".

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I agree with how Fate put it pretty much. The literature vampire is always changing and evolving because the imagination is limitless.

The vampire communities, or RL vamps, will always try to maintain and keep the two seperated because those within the community apparently have a standard or definition of what makes a "real vampire" or code to know the difference between the two.

At least that's what i'm guessing, and i'm assuming that RL vampires were getting tired of the storybook versions so they decided to "come out of the casket" so-to-speak. lol

So maybe they will learn that they cannot be accepted, unless they educate. They cannot be both "understood" and "mysterious". There will need to be disclosure, or those they deem "Wanna-bes" will flourish as the predominant model of what people who identify as vampires are.

Or else (proceeding a bit further along Dabs' train of thought) those who are truly Vampires no longer seek to be accepted or understood, having long learned from history that such is impossible while men continue in their oblivious path to truly blood-thirsty self destruction.

Well the thing is, not everyone is out for blood or destruction. There are LOT more whom are curious and interested in what makes others unique, or having those explain what a "real vampire" truly is.

There are those whom TRY to edcuate or enlighten the masses, and i won't say Michelle Belanger as others have her on a pedestal even when she claims herself to be the "first psychic vampire in existance" which is ludicris btw, considering that term was coined by Anton Levay.

So getting the RIGHT edcuation is indeed a tricky one but in my own viewpoint, to follow another's concept, never leads one to a full enlightenment.

educate* please excuse my flaws but hopefully you get the point. lol

No... not everyone seeks blood and destruction, of course, and I neither stated nor implied that everyone does.

However, while Humankind claims to seek understanding of the unknown and to value that which is unique, yet in actual practice they most assuredly do not and never have.

Not everyone sought to nor agreed with burning women and girls as witches throughout Europe during the "Burning Times"... yet the females were still burned by the hundreds of thousands. Not everyone agreed with or colluded with the Nazis in the Holocaust, yet the millions there were still exterminated. And not everyone in Eastern Europe sought to likewise exterminate those vlilified as "Vampires," yet they were still murdered by at least the hundreds, as well.

So long as Humans believe that those sometimes called "Vampires" exist only in fiction... and, additionally, believed to be defined as fanged blooddrinkers,etc. ... are those who truly are "Vampires" safer from discovery and eradication.


- Upir'

I don't understand why so many "what ever they are's" need other "whatevers" to believe in them in order to be validated.

Is it not enough anymore that you believe in yourself, that now, everyone else MUST believe in whatever you believe yourself to be in order to be valid?


When someone leans on someone else for support and they say, "so and so is my rock." Do they really need educated on what exactly a rock is?

There well may be many different definitions as to what exactly a vampire is, just like...

I am a white male. Does that mean that the definition of "human" is to be a white male only?

If I say, "I am a zombie." It is ignorant to say, "No you're not." because, you are basing your opinion of what a zombie is by the dictionary, or your own opinion, or movies.

Perhaps my definition of a zombie is, to feel dead inside yet, still up walking around.

There are definite definitions to what vampires are, in the dictionary. If you don't meet those requirements then, to the mainstream world, you are not a vampire.

But, do you really (in all honesty) care what the mainstream thinks?

So perhaps in the future those who identify as vampires may actually mean it when they declare "I don't care what anyone thinks." they just might begin meaning it.

I hope so. People so rarely mean anything they say anymore.

Even the fantastical.

i think vampirism is going to start getting more selective on who gets turned.

the future is never certain so who honestly knows where to turn to in the future. its all a matter of choice

The Vampirism will be like the Gay community, LOL, coming out of the closet. Yes, The future belongs to US!! Is time that the normal human understand, that what was a legend way back, was a cover up to keep the vampire as a part of a folklore stories. Enough is enough, is time to resurrect and claim what belong to us.

going on the assumption that vamps have always been around, but have just changed in their own and others perception, then as was said before, vamps continue to exist...but at the same time what they and others think about vamps will evolve.


on another note...
in another thread trolls are mentioned. those self righteous and all knowing ones that feel the need to tell every one else what is right and wrong, what is true and false, and in our case what is or isnt a vamp.
it reminds me of some fundamentalist christians that love to tell other christians whether or not they actually are christians. just my example, i happens in all beliefs, but this is my example. do the taunters and mockers just get their kicks from trolling this site and making others that want to talk about things, some of which are difficult to discuss, want to clam up and not write down their thoughts due to our resident trolls howls of derisive laughter.

if people went onto a football site and started to say how they are vamps, ok, thats a good place for derision (altho i would count any thing that is not about the point of the site to be mockable in that case lol), but if you really want to come to vamp web site to make fun of vamps, why dont you just stay out of threads that accept them and create your own thread that reads something like...
"there are no such things as vampires" and enjoy the interaction in the thread, or "vampires are only what i say they are" and go with that.

yeah, i know preachy and off subject and i know the trolls will ignore it anyway, but the time i spent as a teacher seems to have made me want to try and teach acceptance and politeness to others.

my sixpence worth of thought (and all im allowed in a 24 hour period)
~W~

There it is again, had you noted that there are questions to those who identify ass vamps, this is a Vamp site, why so shy about being forthwith?

I never said Vamps don't exist. I am just curious as to how, and through what, people are convinced they are vampir, something that I suspect the staggering majority have no idea about.

and it appear to be more those who identify as vampires who use terms wanna be and such.

As for threads for Vamps by Vamps, there are some, and they tend to become whine feast rather then any material substance.

Something to also remember...

This site was also created for those who like goth. Not everyone who likes goth likes vampires and vice versa.

Besides, having threads that just turn into "vampire love fests," aren't all that lively anyway.

yes but most of the goth threads end with people not being able to agree what that means either

That's why I posted what I did earlier in this thread. People need to be satisfied with who and what they believe themselves to be and not so much what others think of them.

If I believe myself to be something, I don't need anyone else to approve of that. The opinions of others are welcome but, ultimately, I decide who I am and I could care less what anyone thinks of that.

If you believe yourself to be a vampire, live it. When others come along and say that you are not a vampire, you tell them you are living by your own definition of what a vampire is.

If you want to tell them your definition, expect doubters. But, you owe no one an explanation.

It's so much easier to tell them to piss off.

Lets face it most people who argue semantics about how much more they are something then another, are out to be people pleasers, and seldom have personality, thus the need to be part of as many identity groups as possible, and the only way they can do so is to be as superfluous as possible.

It is Fad breaking Goth, and Goth bent over for it.

It becomes a cry for individuals who want to be accepted as more {insert group identity} then others.

By remaining ambiguous they maanage to annoy enough people in the mainstream, to effect the genuine adulterants
by their stereotypical behavior.

I think you may be over generalizing just a tad. I try to remain ambiguous simply so that people don't get to know the real me from what I post on public forums such as this.

I am speaking of what it means to be X*.

It is over liberalization of subcultures that turns them into plastic trend, and fads.

and how when people don't agree with something they don't just expand the definition they just make a new sub classification?

Which is why group identities are so frail, and you can even see elitist in the ranks. Those that scoff from orthodoxy.

Which is why personality should precede group identity, and why people without adequately developed personally invest so much into their adopted group(s) identities, you see people wanting to be all things in combination to all people. A sure sign of social inadequacy.

yes but its not like this is a new thing

From what I gather some of it is acceptance. Some have the need for it while others seek structure. As for a change in rules and customes well how many lords and ladies are really willing to take a step down so a better one can lead. How many are really willing to realize the rules created are very restrictive and oddly enough change like a blink. I firmly believe that dressing up with fake fangs, wearing contacts and gothic clothing and imposing a large sum of riles on an individual is silly. Does one not already have enough laws by the u.s. Goverment. It should be aimed more into spiritual enlightenment. One whom is truely free doesn't need such ignorance to be imposed on their spirituality.

regarding a post earlier....

just wanted to introduce a quote into the conversation.

"Vampire Rave is the social networking website for vampires and goths. We are a home for real vampires across the globe. If you're looking for a darker gothic or vampire social network, you've found it."

not saying this is a vamp only site, far from it, but it just strikes me as odd looking at the shear number of posts that some individuals feel they need to put into a thread that could be regarded as either subtle, or not so subtle bashing. i wont say any names tho....

ill leave this alone now, and say that i agree that i agree with the "no rule" rule regarding goths/vamps. each of us interprets it in our own way, and it runs the gambit from the person that dresses in all black and fangs 24/7 to the guy in the flannel shirt and tennis shoes that looks alot like larry the cable guy.
im more into self identification.
~W~

Yay.... I like you lordwolf

The myths will continue and the vampire community will still be here, maybe not as strong but still will remain like many others things thorough the years.

So if this is a real vamp site, and a data base site, make with the info already, why the reluctance to support ones ideal, why don't people talk about the various groups that they align themselves too, it is as if they want to parade their alleged vampire, but the moment they are asked to educate they shell up. So with such a mentality I see those who identify as vampires being received as a joke, because of their own mentality, and inactivity. We have a data Base full of variations, and forums full of "Whoa is us the Vamps.."

As far as this supposed "bashing" goes, from what I've seen, it is typically "vampire" on "vampire."

Although, I'm sure you're speaking of someone who doesn't recognize themselves as being "vampire" "bashing" those who do recognize themselves as being "vampire."

It's funny really, when asked in a kind way to intelligently explain what makes one a vampire, accusations of "bashing" is all that comes of it.

Honestly, if this continues (as I believe it will) the future for "vampires" looks bleak.

Well there is that tab up there that says "What is a Vampire?" for those that want to know. There are several vampire websites to read and look into if one is THAT curious what a vampire is i suppose instead of continuously slam or bash other's for their input simply because one doesn't understand. There are NO excuses for why anybody here can't put their fingers to work and solve those questions.

True but, going by the definitions on the click-able "What Is A Vampire," no one anywhere is a vampire.

Unless, they are an extortionist and I'm quite sure it's not for blood or energy.

Just for clarification though, asking someone to show some kind of proof to their claims, is not bashing. I give the VR admin. a bit more credit than that.

Which is why I mentioned the variations, I see how it is though.


Every one who identifies as a vampire is afraid to disclose what they align to, in fear of taking flak from other amended variations.

How sad when someone "pro-vamp" says "Just figure it out yourself." See how the tag to that post was "Stop bashing us."

if there was flaming I am most certain it would have been addressed by admins. All I have ever asked for was some info on what alignment Individuals opt, when they Identify as vampires.

So the future of vampires relies (I reiterate) on discloser on a case by case basis, and that means be damn what other factions
think.

Such oppression between Vampire True Believers, no one will ever pause to consider one of the many jockeying for position over the others, and all outright, or subtly insulting, or denouncing each other.

Dabbler i have to agree with you.

Although as I said before it's nothing but rules and laws. I've seen profiles were ppl have the black veil on it and then these creeds and wait more rules to their house. I could only imagine what there inner teachings hold as far as more restrictions. I find it amazing that ppl put themselves in such a categoryand when it's time to explain the state of vampirism it all sounds the same as if they copy each others words. And then theyfight amoungst each other like kids in a school yard.

The way that some not all of the individuals. It's like they run things like a subcultures gang full misfits that still haven't figured themselves out. When you look at the community a good percentage of those whim are not elders are between the ages of 18-30.

The actual community itself was based off of the masquerde game also an rpg which was explained in Michele bellengers the physchic vampire. And even the energy work described in the book was already knowledge known by ancient eastern civilzations. So is the energy work of avampire now something thatanybodu can harness. All these mystical powers of astral projection and so on are that in which anybody can do.

The community itself also is a known party scene especially the one in NYC. And it's interesting how sabertooth also produces books withoyher houses aswell as fangs and contacts. Mind you the sa
e people are involved in the creation of the black veil and the books jahira, bellah, calmae and many other books which have been published under rakasha books.

And also has anyone noticed how many active vampires are also practicers of chaos magick as well as many other forms of magick. So is it really there mystical vampire powers or that of a witch or pyschic. Open your eyes ppl


Oops guess I just became a whistle blower

Dabs, there's nothing at all sad for taking the time to answer your own questions. It's sad whenever people have nothing better to do than to continuously annoy others by prolonging these threads trying to get people to explain to you what a vampyr is.

Why haven't we been seeing a reply? Gee I wonder why that is...

It's not that they don't hold some answers, because for one, I know they do, and it's that they just don't care to explain them, only to have someone come behind them and antagonize them to death.

So really maybe one should stop and consider how they approach others first because i can tell ya right now that you are NEVER going to really get a good explanaton or answer from being rude, even wittingly rude at that.

In what way am I being rude, and is it not evident that those who ID as vamps can be snide little biffs. Why bother "coming out of the casket" is all they do is cry "people won't accept us." Whaaa.. bulance for petes sake.

Acceptance comes with education, and being so smug as to not educate is ignorant.

ps

"trying to get people to explain to you what a vampyr is."

Vampyre are not what I am curious about, they distinguish themselves from others, and have resources to read.


It is thos ewho id as vampires that I am addressing.

Well said dabbler. Your not being rude by challenging an argument with logic that clearly those cannot answer.

It's the fact that there is a logical fallacy in what they are trying to prove as being above all the human species.

There is a misconception about Vampirism. Most of the Humans see Vampires as an image created by a book or a Movie, deep into the mind. Vampirism is when people love to get together and drink Blood, the same way you drink tequila, and they enjoy it. Now, for some, this is taboo, for others, is again religious believe. But, is happening all across Europe and also the United State. The prof that some members like, can not be presented, because you are not around and is a prof of sight.

Markus as much of a point I see your trying to make but what if i know the community on an intimate level. So now I speak from both aspects yours and there's. What is it your trying to defend by bringing up the same points that everyone in the community tries to state that " it's not like the books or movies". It's worse then the books and movies. And I speak from personal experience.

I'm wondering, if they enjoy the drinking of blood, why the need to attach the name "vampire" to themselves?

Why not just claim, "I'm a human who enjoys drinking human blood?"

To claim to be a vampire (the blood drinking or energy feeding kind), is to claim that you need these things in order to live. Without such, you would surely die.

To ask for proof, is not rude.

The word being sought here is "persecution." Where is there any persecution? Is simply asking for proof or any documentation about one's own personal claims persecution?

I believe that the older people will continue to think of it as a cult like i c played out on some tv shows, but i think that there will b a rise of it when the youth finds out about it and grabs it and runs wit it.

I'm going to be completely honest and just say i think Vampirism will be more so just another sub-culture like punk, emo, indie..whatever. It will just be another label. And i have a feeling only a few true souls will actually carry on while everyone else is too fucking concerned with their edward cullen & sparkle make up bullshit.

Considering Twilight is nearly done, I am not so sure about that, its not the edwards that are really carrying this its the things like True blood, Vampire diaries, Being human etc. are really sustaining the momentum.

Once again it is so funny to see people threatened by a fad. Hahaha

It is true,

"We despise in others, what we fear becoming."
author unknown

The database isn't there to critique the articles or to decide if the site they are off of has any merit. It is a collection of everything ever written or connected to anything that states the word vampire.

Just like anywhere else in the world people in the culture disagree on what to tell and what not to. Some are old school and would prefer to stay hidden and could give a flying fig what anyone believes. Most of them are older people and you wouldn't be able to tell by the looks of many of them. They aren't all kids and don't have to belong to any group or feel they need accepted because quite frankly it is no one's business really but this site is here to discuss issues to a degree. The main problem is some of the subject matter cannot be discussed on this site because there are children here such as the constant questioning on how vampirics feed. Some topics are not suitable for this forum. Why should the belief systems be questions when religion isn't suppose to be discussed here in a maligning manner? Many consider their condition for want of a better word a very spiritual matter.

Those that consider themselves vampires will stay in factions I think. There will be those who want to educate the public and those who will not but I think the Goth trend will wear off after awhile within the vampire community. I see that in some of the older people. It is a very personal thing to discuss. Some take oaths in the organizations they belong to not to discuss certain things. This is not unusual because there are a myriad of organizations like that outside of the vampire community.

Thank you for articulating that Asphalt tears,

I have seen plenty people disclose the group they align with.

It just seems so funny, and phony when a person "comes out of the coffin" flamboyantly, yet declares a need for silence on the things that matter. so people are not going to accept anything that they are not able to research, and educate themselves on. Every organization should have a presentable "mission" statement for just that purpose.

So maybe in the future such statements will be made available to those who identify as vampires. Until then people will laugh at thos ewho declare themselves vampires, and respond to inquiry with stammering "Ummm I Ummm"

As with all beliefs, whether regarding "Vampirism" or religion or anything else...

“People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.”

-- Blaise Pascal “The Art of Persuasion”

I go the next obvious level on the rung, in the future individuals will hold sway in cult degrees. Because it is obvious the whole in group mentality serves that purpose well. The reason those who package for consumption their "Vampire pitch", and tell others to be hush hush about it is to attempt to make it more appealing to non adherents. Then to cultivate an "us" verses "them" complex in their members, skewing all inquiry as "Bashing", and "persecution".

Well with respect to Upir and Dabbler and for that matter anyone who sees it differently, I don't think of Vampirism in the terms a lot of people define it as being a religion or a cult (yes I am aware that there are vampire religions) I see vampirism as something you are born predisposed to.

Neither I or Dabs (if I understand his views correctly) consider true historical Vampirism to be a religion or a cult. How pop culture views it, on the other hand... well, all such view it as all of that and all manner of variations imaginable. It all depends on which pop-culture angle and/or belief system to which you happen to subscribe.

I, and I believe Dabs also, view the origins of the Vampire to have been something inherent to those so vilified. Thus, their future is as their past: perpetuated with the same genetic traits for which those of any particular race and species is identified and/or characterized.

As for you, FateUnseen, how specifically do you find vampires to be predisposed? And how might this predisposition change in the future, if at all?


- Upir'

well maybe my word usage was a tad off, I simply meant that I believe that people are born vampires you can't just join a secret society and do some rituals and viola you are a vampire.

now if you want to look at Vampires and Vampirism as a symbol for something thats a different topic.

So my honest inquire Unseen, is what source aided you in that personal conviction?

Ps. I am compelled personally by Upirs research, the one exception to the drivel that permeates the ranks of those who ID as Vampires.

As far as the future of the forums, it is becoming clear that they are running out of "how-vamp-are-we" topics that are not rehashes. So they will likely start whining about how nonbelievers (rational) members are taking the fun out of the forums. The irony being, of course, is that it is they who take the fun out of such topics by taking themselves too seriously.

*Laughs* Okay... this has been funny... But all the "real vs none real" aside... My personal opinion is very similar to what TheMonsterYouAdore posted.

Putting to the side the whole "Secret experiments and shadow governments" blah blah blah...

As a subculture... I see genetic modification and cybernetic enhancements being the next craze... especially for those without the self confidence. With custom made fangs and special contacts already available, gene splicing and bionics seems like the only next logical step in the fad...

Now... as for evolving into the whole... "we're here, get used to it," rally... Yeah... Not really in the nature of the vampire subculture to be politically active on that level... Seriously... I do not see some random Goth/Vamp running for a political office and pulling the "Discrimination" card to unite the whole subculture into a political party... Though it would be fun to watch... *Laughs* I wonder if they would hold special protests and polling at night for those that burst into flames in the sun... *Laughs*

that would be very funny to see.

As we know vampires have been around since Adam and Eve. but what if vampires were even before that.. mabey even older then recorded..

Like every thing else eveloution has been pefected in dinosaurs.. sice it is known the crocodile is the oldest known retile on the earth that surived excition unlike that of the dinosaurs.. what if vampire's were around then because we had cave man as we know they were apes but they evolved to become human. and were known canibals.. where they would have eaten each other. so could the first vampire possibly of been prehistoric?.. Because there is still a lot that is unknown about that of prehistoric life on earth because vampire's as dracular and so on were'nt just created.. he would have had to of been born like most out there because he was a pure blood vampire...

There could be a possibility of this being true.. because how did vampire's first come to be. the book of history only goes back to Adam and Eve when there was vampires recordings then... What if vampire's are were around the same time the earth was born or shortly after since like all creatures alike. Vampires too have learned to evolve like life on earth has..

Just wondering. I could be wrong. but I could also be right. I mean how many out there of us know if my words could be founded. or even true. because Vampires are also the oldest known beings on earth.. the shadow's have always been the protection of the vampires.. And honestly I don't entirely believe that Vampire's are were around in the 16th centary.. I feel they go back longer then that.. since back in the stone age recordings were done on stone. how much history from the stone age could be lost... Especailly what I have said..

I don't mean to sound like some know it all.. Because I ain't but I am curious to know could vampirism started in the stone age and the time of dinosaurs.

Please feel free to add your views on this..

As for the future. Mabey.. just one day mabey people will be ready for vampires but until then vampires will live like they have always done from the shadows. Until such a day the world will be accptant of the race of vampires and not be predjudes towards them.

I was'nt refering to the story. althoe I do understand what you are saying. but since that is the only known recording and one that has been made up. what is there saying that there was'nt vampires then.. is all.. and that Adam's wife could have been one. but with nothing to support that other then what was written and no other reports it is hard to say..

But what I am trying to say is that their could have been vampires back then. and like today or most of them may of prefered to remain in the shadows..

As for the cavemen vampire's. there is no known recording. but as stated.. there could be evediance to support that. but how much of cave era history have we found. and how much is still uncounted for since we only know of the dinosaurs. and the their excition. and still very little is known of the cavemen. all that is known is they were cannibles.. There could be evidence out there they may of been vampires well some any way. And it may be yet to be found..

As for do I have evidance of this. I wish I did. but for now this is just a theory. But the possibilty could still be plausable.

i doubt it would be very difficult to fake a couple scrolls talking about how "Eve gave birth to forty seven sons of forty seven descents. Ivor begat Escedor begat Vampyboy begat Gryphon begat Heffalump"
that basic idea
in fact, i'm curious to see what the future will say about today's society. "Oh and they swam in oil, enjoying the sensation enough to cause a leak in the Gulf. We call people of that era 'mudmen'"

you would be surprised just how difficult it is to fake ancient artifacts and especially ancient documents.

tell that to the dude who made up the Illuminatti.

theres a huge difference between 500-700 years and over 2000 years old

Could be done

even if it was found out to be fake, it'd be tough convincing people who liked the idea to abandon it

There was a group that set to counterfeit a Shroud of Turin.

I have even heard of counterfeit dead sea scrolls being bled into underground markets.
One would have to be a smart ass anthropologist, and historian to pull it off.

But the context that was mentioned does bring a good question into the thread.

What of the existing disciplines, and schools of Vampire ideals has history substantial enough to be made public.

I have read a few Articles here so I will go on what I have.

Interesting concept to consider...

I often ponder the role of science and its continued advancement... will scientists eventually prove the ancients correct? Consider the knowledge we now have of herbs... the same knowledge that the ancients knew by instinct and experience. We now understand vortexes and their power on the electro-magnetic forces of the body. There is a scientist in San Diego doing some of the most groundbreaking work in neurology and the human mind to date... discoveries about the power of the mind we once thought science fiction!

How will this affect the vampire culture? Will it create new angles on the mythology? The reality? Fascinating exploration over a bottle of wine (or several...)

Personally,Im kindof diggin on Monster's answer..

"With the rapid groth of technology and our facination with body modification, I see vampirism becoming a chosen sergical alternative to the everyday human. Be it through computer implants making or genetic minipulation, the vampire will one day become a modification rather than a myth - as will most mythical creations that humanity idolizes."

It already seems to be headed in that direction somewhat with implants and fangs etc...