Hi Everyone, it's the weekend and i've got another one for you!! It's a VERY, VERY long post as i've tried to put all the details in. If this subject has already been done , my apologies, but here it goes.....
The maps that contradict the history books.
In this fascinating and provocative book Charles Hapgood uses ancient maps as evidence for the existence, many thousands of years ago, of an advanced worldwide civilization. The maps, long known to scholars, include the Piri Reis Map that shows Antarctica, the Hadji Ahmed map, the Oronteus Finaeus and other remarkable maps and charts. According to Hapgood, the mapmakers responsible for the earliest maps must in some ways have been more technically advanced than sixteenth-century Europe and the ancient civilizations of Greece, Egypt and Babylonia. Not only did they produce fantastically detailed maps, they also appear to have mapped every continent. The Americas were mapped thousands of years before Columbus and Antarctica was mapped when its coasts were free of ice. From the evidence it seems that these people must have lived when the ice age had not yet ended in the Northern Hemisphere and when Alaska was still connected to Siberia by the Pleistocene, ice age “land bridge”, that is, thousands of years before the heyday of the ancient Egyptians.
In 1966 Charles Hapgood a professor of the history of science caused something of a scandal when he published a book entitled ‘ Maps of the ancient sea kings’ for what professor Hapgood is arguing with a logic that was difficult to fault, was that civilization maybe far, far, older than historians now recognize, than as long as 12000 years ago, when man was still a wandering hunter, ancient seafarers may have been sailing across the Atlantic.
These conclusions were not the outcome of wild speculation; they were the logical result of the study of old maps that had been available for centuries.
The story began in 1956; when a cartographer named M. I. Walters, at the U.S navy Hydrographic office, found himself looking at a copy of a strange map that had been presented to the office by a Turkish Naval officer. It was obviously very old; in fact, it was dated 919 in the Muslim calendar, which is AD 1513 by Christian reckoning. It was basically a map of the Atlantic Ocean, showing a small part of North Africa, from what is now Morocco to the Ivory Coast, and all of South America. These are in their correct longitudes, a remarkable achievement for those days. It was also, for 1513, an astonishingly accurate map of South America and what was even more surprising that it apparently showed Antarctica, which was not discovered until 1818. Oddly enough, it also showed the Mid-Atlantic ridge, which seems an unbelievable piece of knowledge for any period before the invention of sonar depth soundings, unless of course, it had been observed while it was still above water!
The original map maker had been a Turkish pirate named Piri Re’is why had been beheaded in 1554. He had made the interesting statement that he had based his map on 20 old maps, one of them made by Christopher Columbus and others from the Great Library of Alexandria, destroyed by invading Arabs in AD 640.
In fact, the Piri Re’is map had been known since 1929, when it had been discovered in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul and there was already a copy in the Library Of Congress. But thus far, know one had paid much attention to it. Walters Decided to try and remedy this and showed a map to his friend, Captain Arlington H. Mallery, a Navigator who was devoting his retirement to studying old maps. Mallery studied the map and agreed that the land shown to the South was Antarctica, what was more; the map had apparently been made before the Antarctic continent was covered with ice. The coast of Antarctica had certainly been covered with ice in the time of Alexander the Great, the last time men could have seen it with out ice was many thousands of years ago, long before the earliest known maritime civilizations. And that could only mean one of two things: either that ships had sailed the seas at a time when, according to historians, our ancestors were living in caves, or what sounded equally outrageous, there had once been a flourishing civilization on Antarctica itself, whose men/women made maps that were copied down through the ages, up to the time of Alexander the Great.
The Piri Re’is map was not the only one examined by Hapgood. Hapgood asked the Library of Congress to allow him to look at all the old maps of the period and was startled to find hundreds of them laid out for his inspection. It was a 1531 map by one Oronteus Finaeus that filled him with a conviction that he made a discovery equal in importance to the Piri Re’is map. It showed the South Pole, which is amazing enough for a date nearly 3 centuries before it’s official discovery. What was positively staggering was that it was a map of the whole Polar Cap as if drawn from the air, showing a remarkable resemblance to the Pole as we know it today and again it seemed to show the South pole before it was covered in ice. Certain mistakes on the map re-appeared in all other contempory maps, suggesting that all of them had been based on some old map, possibly dating back to Alexander the Great. But the 1949 core samples left no doubt that the Antarctic was covered with ice at the time of Alexander, so the original map must have been older.
How much older?? The core samples showed that the last warm period in the Antarctic ended 6000 years ago, or around 4000 BC, so the Antarctic ‘civilization’ must have flourished before this.
And this, of course, suggested the staggering idea, that some worldwide sea faring civilization has existed before Alexander the great and that it disappeared while the civilization of Mesopotamia was still primitive and illiterate. Hapgood points out that we had to wait for the 18th Century to develop an accurate method of measuring longitude and the circumference of the Earth, and until the 19th for the exploration for the Polar Regions. According to Hapgood “ the maps indicate that some ancient people did all these things”. And this civilization disappeared, either in some catastrophe or over a long period of time, and was simply forgotten.
Have we found the origins of the Atlantis myth, timing is good, what do you think??
By the way, I got this info from a book i bought last weekend entilted " The mammoth book of unsolved myseries" by Colin Wilson and Damon Wilson.
P.S I have managed to find a web page showing the maps....
http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/seakings.html
Sorry, i couldn't do a direct link.
Excellent response Kwill, those photo's were great. I too have heard about the debate about the age of the Sphinx because of the weathering patterns on the base of the statue that could NOT have been caused by wind or sand by torrential rain and that only happened over 10,500 yrs ago in Egypt also the ancient weapons described in the Indian texts would explain the radation levels discovered in the ruins of a ancient city in India.
Very strange and Very interesting. I myself belive in the possibity of an advance cilvilisation. Here's a link to an interesting guy who argue's the case that there was.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094
He's done alot of videos that are interesting, i wouldent take everyword he says as fact but you should approach what he's saying with an open mind. I will warn anyone who follow's a religion and doesent beleive in any possibiity that the bible is "written wrong" You shouldent watch this unless curiosity gets the better of you. Give it a chance, 30 mins atleast, Its interesting.
The maps, many of which were taken from older editions (10,000+), depict also land masses that are not there today...Atlantis?....Those maps are locked away...The Vatican has many of them...WHY?
Good point Kwill, hell it's the Vatican...that explains it lol Of course they locked up the maps, if they were shown to public it would prove that the 'all knowing' Bible and the genesis story was wrong.
The Genesis story was taken from older texts and appears in several regions of the Earth in several societies, including the flood, The Sumerian culture which predates the writing of Genesis...ergo...genesis taken from older texts, In Sanskrit as well. Genesis is written in the Third Person form.
And if we were to go even deeper into the Sumerian, we find that there was more than one Adam and Eve, different periods, different instances in time.
Really, I had no idea *bows to kwill* never spent that much time reading the Bible lol
But there will be some who will say that the writings are works of fiction or myth.....There was no NEED for myth or works of fiction back then...they were living the life of reality which frightened men of today call myth to argue their cause and controll the masses...politics&religion working together
Mmmmm, wasn't that different that long ago, it all seem to boil down to politics & religion.
It boils down to one word. A word that explains it all.
Emnity.
O.K, I give, i've heard of that word but it's meaning I have no idea lol Please explain...
Emnity would be a constant and enduring battle. In the case of Adam's seed and the Devils seed as stated in Genesis,there will be an Emnity between both seeds.....in the physical sense, not a spiritual one. The devils seed was to keep Adams generations from returning back to the "Creator" by way of deception, lying, pride, greed, everything to attract Adams generations away from the "Creator" and worship instead, the vices of the world,to cause Adam's seed to forget their way and follow the status quo.
You're welcome and there is more but i'll be typing all bloddy night if i put it ALL in so i stuck to the major details and done some editing lol
This map thread is opening up a course to navigate through history
Excellent, thanks Kwill:)) It should get some eyebrows raised.
Wow. That's some really amazing information, and was all well written and thought out as well. I think it's definitely something, though I'm not good with my geography so it's hard for me to make an intelligent response and prediction, but it's definitely something to ponder.
Thanks for sharing this great information.
Wow Kwill, those DNA pic's were great, where are you getting this great info and pic's from?
I'll send you the sites if you like, many sites are updated on a weekly or monthly basis. They are posted by scientists many of whom have accepted that they REALLY don't know squat and that their learning experience in life has been, to say the least, a kindergarten education of cosmic proportions. They have accepted that, what MAN may call myth from the ancient days is in fact a harsh reality that conflicts with established theories....hence what they have accepted is the reality of EMNITY.
This sounds nice & refreshing:)) that'll be great if you can send me the info, my e-mail on on my profile if u wanna use that.
I could use it with some other stuff i'm looking into:)
My father left me a library of over 5000 books dating from the mid 1600's up to the early 1970's, Science, history, religion, and uh....others....I have a personal collection of about 2000 dating from the early 1950's to the present, on the same subjects. I have original maps as well from my fathers collection, some over 400 years old and some that I have come across through a dealer in NYC who knew my father. I have papers that whould have been shredded from certain government agencies, that found their way to my post office box thanks to Merodak who has been more or less a mentor to me in the religious, historical and scientific fields since I showed an interest back in the early 90's. When he's on VR take advantage of picking his brain. He has a Doctorate in Psychology and a Masters in Political Science and History...he also has a collection of books dating as far back as the ones I have, but he has more on a particular subject though. Any way I'll send you the info before the day is done...hope it enlightens you.
They are keeping more than maps locked up.....but on the subject of maps.....there is no way for them to explain how these maps could have been drawn so accurately unless they were done from the air...from space....this would lead people to question their validity in the universe as far as being a unique creation....and realizing that we are not unique, this would lead to the church having to explain things that would eventually cause people to turn from the church and seek truth elsewhere....The church survives on the blind faith of humans.
This is just strange, About 4 hours ago, I found a book, an encyclopedia of the unknown, or something similar in my library, and I just started the section on the sea kings. Wow. I know it is not really relevant but thought I would share.
If you saw my library.....well....you wouldn't see it....it's literally wall to wall with a 6x6 area for the desk and computer....newspapers from 50 plus years ago magazines just as old and over 5000 books going back to the 1600's up to my present era. The information is there....just have to find it.... @.@
I'm not sure how most people feel about the bible & such, but if you were to read in Ecclesiastes 1:9-10 it says
"the thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. is there anything whereof it may be said, see, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us." I'm not sure how most people would take it but ive always believed that we were being told that everything we discover now (new technology, planets, new species of animals or aquatic life etc..) was discovered or thought of lifetimes before we were ever thought of. i honestly am not surprised about that finding. what surprises me however is that im sure people are out there trying to disprove & debunk that this is all a hoax & a big myth. I've been wondering for years when we would catch up & find out about a lot of things in our world that was before us. I think its spectacular & wonderful. I cant wait to hear about what they "discover" next about ancient civilizations....
I did go with an open mind to the link i saw earlier. Interesting. I try to look at everything in both perspectives. For years i was under the impression that religion & the bible was the only way to go in life. Bu the more & more i read/study, the more i find out & am amazed about things out there in our world.
this thread started on 20th sep so the photobucket pic's must have expired. I'll see if kwill can re-post them:)
Cool I would like to learn more on the Sea King because this is actually the first time I heard about this.
I'll attempt to re post the photos hopefully I have them all in my iPhoto file if not then I will start from scratch, relocate them and post them again in this thread.....gimmee a few...
But then here is some food for thought: Wolfysnightmare made a good point......There was a time when "Ancient Entities" didn't have to consider being out in the open as something that was needed to keep secret, they were helping to fashion society at that time, build on human history, give the humans at that time period what they needed to LITERALLY catch up with other "Alien" civilizations, but at the humans pace not overnight.
However there were those "Entities" as well that were living upon the earth that were "TO A DEGREE" slightly more advanced than the regular human being , but not as advanced.
(They were given only what they would need to survive and grow and possibly, as was hoped, BOW DOWN *Acknowledge*, to the created beings that were considered by the.....and I know some of you were waiting for this word.......Anunnaki, to be the reflection of themselves, genetically manipulated and given a push into a more advanced "Evolution".....ergo...Humankind, Man. They were the "Fallen ones, who resided in a land area called NOD, cast from their part of the "Galaxy" notice I didn't use Universe. They were cast from their part of the galaxy into the earth away from the "GARDEN" and it's areas, which included the land areas of what some would call Atlantis.)
This is why it is important to have the maps that were drawn from old, maps that were configured from "on high" or above the earth so that you can see the land mass areas and see for yourself the areas and their relative locations before the "Last ice age" (10,000 years ago)
Iposted articles on the dinosaurs in some thread around here for a purpose. A new "Giant" dinosaur was discovered in Argentina this month.....but the same type, not fully grown was discovered in two other locations as well over the YEARS. We have all heard of land bridges and of the continents being connected.....well do the physics....Eden wa a lot bigger than you may think and it was so for a purpose.
There is so much out there that even though it isn't truly being supressed....if you don't know what you're looking for you won't find it.
I lost track....sorry...as to what Wolfysnightmare was saying, true there is nothing new under the sun...it's been here before....and a lot of it still is.
You've heard that expression: It's not what you know, it's who you know.....: well I know a few people engaged in situations around the world who have made a life commitment out of the past, so it help me as well to keep in contact with them whenever a new discovery is made and kept from the media. I could never post the specifics but I can always elude to them. Hee hee hee....
Sounding more and more as a conspiracy theory. Thanks for the laugh. From the same article used above:
...Many well known historical
personages including Jesus, Buddah, Lao Tzu, Confucious, Krishna, Zoroaster,
Mahavira, Quetzalcoatl, Akhenaton, Moses, and more recent inventors and of
course many other people who will probably remain anonymous, were probably
members of such a secret organization...
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ufo/aiac.htm
Vatican and now secret organizations? lol.
genesis is very general and dose not deny these things,it was written for some refugee bricklayers and mentions aliens and the hollow earth.obviosly there was an ancient civilisation more advanced than this one which was destroyed over night.as this one will be.
wow this is interesting and I am gonna have to read more on it thanks ...
Everything as we know it is a circle, it loops around and around in cycles. We probably were technologically advanced thousands of years ago and then, just as I believe it might happen to us again soon, we became so reliant on that technology that we forgot how to fend for ourselves. If all of a sudden something happens to that technology, we would be hard pressed to survive as a race without it.
It's possible that it could have been Atlanteans, but then again, I'm sure they weren't the only advanced civilizations and that there were others similar to them. But it would not surprise me either way that there would have been a civilization like that.
Good work.
This is amazing and I am going to do some more research on it. I find it interesting that people are so amazed by the achievements of the ancient people.
you should post that in the member articles when you get up in levels
Wow sis, that was really intresting. I will seriously be discussing this with you !!
Your welcome bro *grins* & thanks for the suggestion Meska but i tried and billy said that there was an article just like this on the 'net' .......even though i did write this myself with no copy and paste thankyou very much !!