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TheHellequin
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I've been reading about the following which apparently is from Native American mythology

"Jumlin was a hard and cruel spirit, dominant and hungry. He fed on blood of living things. First the animals of the forest, then the horses and finally on the people of his tribe.

As the Medicine Man, Jumlin had power and control of his people. He first selected the strongest of Braves to feed upon and in his hunger and blood lust fed from them unto their deaths. "

I know little of this mythology and would be interested to know more about this story and any other vampric stories in the Native Americn canon.




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I don't believe race is factor there can be vampires of all nationalities



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BLOODLIFE
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I have a very comprehensive book on Native American Myth & Legends which also incorporates an A-Z of people and places, but no where in this book does it give reference to 'Jumlin'......however, I did find this on the net and it does make for an interesting read.

www.geocities.com/vampiricstudies/native.html



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I have always been interested in Native American cultures, including their religious beliefs. I have never heard of Jumlin before. This thread interests me, and I'm looking forward to learning more from it.



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a good friend of mine that i served in the navy with was full blooded comanche. we would talk about his tribal myths and legends sometimes while off duty. never mentioned anything that could be considered vampiric in nature, but something similiar to a lycan.



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TheHellequin
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19:35:10 Jan 17 2008
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Kioshi - I'm not talking about race I'm talking about mythology



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TheHellequin
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19:36:06 Jan 17 2008
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One of my coven remembers the Jumlin story from her childhood being told to her by her grandmother



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Mikhail
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20:20:18 Jan 17 2008
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I've heard of Navaho wolf witch but never that one myself



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so where did you get the information on the jumlin? you said you were researching it. any links? or references?
I've never heard of it either, sounds more like a page from a book/story.



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TheHellequin
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No - thats not what I said lol. I had said I had read about it and one of my coven members remembered hearing that tale from her grandmother.

I've seen that it is associated with the Lakota Sioux, Cherokee and Black Foot traditions



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BLOODLIFE
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22:54:01 Jan 17 2008
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The link I posted early will tell you more about the myth...if only people would be bothered to read!



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22:58:08 Jan 17 2008
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i too I don't believe race is a factor there can be vampires of all nationalities



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I actually have often wondered and thought on the matter of whether or not someone is well a vampire,werewolf, or some other metaphysical being.Why are they limited to the same thing us being human we have many races many cultures and many different looks and attributes.I hate bringing up movies in this thread however its the one thing I feel holly wood does depict in such beings the best.They all have different attributes and just because it doesn't follow a stereo type does not make them any less.
Such as some of the animals out in this world some change color for protection some have weird dangly worm like things from their heads(angler fish)
so why can't different culture of vampire werewolf adopt different attributes, different weaknesses out side the primary weakness?



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it was said earlyer that race has no part in the storys of vampires. and it true if you look at any race or culture you can fine some thing that had to feed on blood to serive



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RazaelRiezen
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This was not my question. My question on this topic was whether a specific region could produce multiple different forms for what we know. Which over all could have led to so many of the myths.



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Alot of Native American tribes have linking myth and folklore stories about the Wendigo,skinwalkers,flesh eating greatures...as well as links to the animals themselves,the wolf,eagle and even the raven.Im 1/4 Apache and my fathers mother was full blooded...when I was very young and before she died...she told me many stories of skinwalkers and blood drinkers...passed down from elder to child...but I have never heard about this creature.



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othis
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01:03:59 Jan 18 2008
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to put it in simple words i am half indian and a vampier so race matters not you are eather awakend or not it gets that simple



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what does being American Indian, the size of your pinky nail have to do with mythology and Native Stories. Vampires come from all cultures and Race.



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It is fair to say that ALL cultures have folk lore or myth about a vampire like being. It's one version I hadn't heard before and I would sincerely like more info on it.

...Lycans, Schmycans...can we leave Uderworld out of just one freakin' thread.

Also, Half (Native American), half vampire?

Y'all gotta chill. So on the US census forms they will now have a little check box for vampire as your race?



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TumorNamedMarla
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If you were refering to MY post...I never mentioned "Lycans" or certain cultures and "Vampires" as for the bash on the Native American size of the pinky nail...Weither it 100% blood or 1/4 blood,that was an insult to MY nationality.
The thread topic is of Native American Vampires...I was discussing my heritage and what I was taught growing up...and SkinWalkers is fact not just a Hollywoodized movie.Many Native American cultures have tales of skinwalkers....Not shape shifting...fur growing nails to claws...but actual body changes...that take place while in a sweat lodge and spirit walking...basically the men smoking pot...weed...etc.
They see themselves as their spirit animal...and sometimes they "turn" into these animals...and in the stories they tell they become...Wendigo...wolves,ravens...etc.



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since no one seems to be reading it, here it is in full.....

The Myth

There was once a brave and powerful Medicine Man and Healer who was kind and ruled his tribe with love. His brother was the Chief of the Ten Tribes. The Medicine Man loved a maiden named Laughing Sky. He and his love were wed and they lived among their people in peace and harmony with all. But Laughing Sky was barren and brought forth no children.

One day the Medicine Man, in his anguish for the lack of a son, raised his head and challenged the Great Spirit. He declared that he would no longer obey all things, if he where not given a son.

But the Great Spirit was deaf to his plea and listened not.

As the days passed Laughing Sky grew old and the end of her child bearing time drew nigh. In desperation, the Medicine Man turned to the more negative spirits for aid in making Laughing Sky fertile.
He did things forbidden and one sad day opened a portal by the use of magick, through which entered a dark spirit named Jumlin.




Jumlin was a strong and dominant negative spirit who sought life in the living dimension of the Earth and tricked the Medicine Man to bring him forth. He promised in payment for bringing him out of the Spirit Realm into the world that he would bestow the Medicine Man with many healthy sons and daughters to enrich his later years.

Jumlin promised the Medicine Man that Laughing Sky would bring forth to bare a beautiful and healthy son nine months after the Medicine Man granted Jumlin's desire to be brought from the Realm of Spirit Shadows into the Living World.

The Medicine Man complied.

Even though to do so was forbidden, the Medicine Man brought the Spirit of Jumlin into the world.

But Jumlin had fooled the great Medicine Man. Jumlin had shielded much of his power and once across the Divide, he possessed the Medicine Man, going into his heart, mind and body.

Jumlin was a hard and cruel spirit, dominant and hungry. He fed on blood of living things. First the animals of the forest, then the horses and finally on the people of his tribe.

As the Medicine Man, Jumlin had power and control of his people. He first selected the strongest of Braves to feed upon and in his hunger and blood lust fed from them unto their deaths.




The Medicine Man's brother, the Chief, and his people lived in fear. As Jumlin continued, his physical and mental powers grew stronger until none dared to resist him.

The stronger he became the more he took advantage of those weaker. Then one day he stopped feeding from the males and went into the female population of his village, doing as ever he liked or willed with their minds and bodies as he fed.

As with the males he satisfied himself fully with the women ... most died. In the spring, those who did not die, became with child and there where many new births in the village, all healthy, robust children.

The young, and older, braves, even though terrified, hated their Medicine Man more and more as he did as he pleased to their wives and daughters, sisters and nieces.

As the days grew into summer, Jumlin's appetites increased. He was now unstoppably strong in all ways and became even more negative.

All lived in dreadful fear as woman upon woman and then the female children began to die of Jumlin's cruelty and feeding.

As fall approached the men of the tribe could stand it no more and despite their fears, they sent two messengers to a nearby tribe to consult their medicine man. They were told that their Medicine Man was no longer he whom they had known, but the evil Spirit Jumlin.
And they learned the ancient methods for his destruction, for now, no more could he be killed as a mortal man is killed.




When they returned, after several months, they found Jumlin's spouse large with child and very ill. She lived to bring forth into the world Jumlin's child, who was called Laughing Bear.

Soon after giving birth, Laughing Sky fell into Child Bed Fever and the braves banded together in a plot to destroy Jumlin. But he was aware of it at once.

He killed Laughing Sky and drained her of her blood and did the same to the leader of the young braves as the warrior slept.

Jumlin took his son, several of the other children and their mothers in the dead of night and escaped. He gave the women and their children to several braves in various villages to buy their protection for a time as he made his way across the plains.

After a time only he and Laughing Bear rode together. Laughing Bear soon grew to be as cruel and indulgent as his father.

Several months hence, they came to yet another village where they stopped to rest. As Laughing Bear slept, Jumlin went abroad into the night as was his want. This time his feeding was more vicious than ever and his victim was the chief's eldest daughter.

As Jumlin, deep in a blood lust frenzy, partook of her, he was discovered by her father and three of the Hunters who had been following them all these months. Jumlin was killed, or actually destroyed, by the magic knowledge of the Hunters, but Laughing Bear escaped.

Laughing Bear and his brothers and sisters, begot by Jumlin, are said to be living to this day. Breeding with humans and their own kind to produce the first race of Inheritors.

They are physically powerful, live eternally and are negative in nature.

They are both the first Vampires and the ancestors of the first Vampires. And they walk the Earth today.

So said the three Native American Myths.



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Bloodlife,That was wonderful.I had never heard that story.I know Skinwalkers and they are wonderful people.It makes me feel good to all the unbelievers on here there is a possibility I am real.Half Breeds do exist.I study Anthropology,and as a favorite professor told me."In all Cultures ther are Myth and Ledgends and Stories,and there is a ggrain of truth in all.Just what I've been told.Again thanks for Shareing.
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well for those of you who are genuinely interested...if you go to the link I posted near the top, it will give reference to even more 'stories', myths and legends.



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More cut and past violations. Tsk tsk.



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no violations here ... the thread just needs to be followed



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sounds interesting if you ask me. i have heard of the Windingo but of no jumlin. i am 50% Native American and i grew up on a reservation.



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that was an awesome read..... thanks for posting it ... and i'm going to go to the link you posted and read more bout it......



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Pardon if I did not see an answer to my question however I will take it a no no one thinks that geographical location,heritage, or any other means like that can result in alternatives to what we all know already?



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RazaelRiezen~

I think the problem is that you are referencing something that is 'Hollywood'.

The myth and the legend is something that is human interpretation and where those humans live is how the story will manifest. It's why there are different regional accounts on the same subject.



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vampire come from all race and nationalities



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Just because he drank the blood of men from his tribe doesn't make him a vampire. Vampires are immortal, that's what I believe however.


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Bloodlife, thanks a lot for that incredible nformation..races to do more research on Jumlin's!



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Tribes from many different countries through out history have drunk the blood of enemies or friends.



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The Native Americans obviously have alot of different beliefs and alot of folklore, and yes they did consume the blood and flesh of their enemies when they captured them in battle so maybe there are Native American tales of vampires but this story could be fictional and not a story that is actually a part of native american culture..



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