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I have been starting to study dragon magic lately and they mention different things from the rituals, the tool, the magic itself and the fact that using it we can meet real dragons in another astral plan.

It is called Draconia has its own alphabet.

My question is do you beleive frist that Draconia is dragon magic, that it is real, that it can work and how do you think it works.

Do you think dragons are in another astral plan and that there is Rulers for each elements and a fith for the elements itself.

Do you think they can read your heart and see its purity or how rotten it is ( no offence intended here)

Do you think they are liek a big lizard or like a long snake?



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_For me, as I've always said, dragons are a symbol of strength and protection. As with all magic, be it Magick, magik or magic, it only works if you believe in it. I don't understand very much about Draconia, but I have heard of it before. As for dragons in another astral plane, I don't know what to think of that really. However, for the appearance of dragons, to me, they are not like a snake, but rather like a large reptilian creature sometimes with wings-as there are all different sorts-and sometimes without._



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This would be the first I have heard of Draconia. I do believe dragons are from another realm but that is just me. My beliefs. But I do believe dragons to be lizard like. Not snake like. Some do have wings and some don't. I will have to look into this sort of magic and learn about it.



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There are many types of dragons that I believe exist in the astral realm. Some share their physical characteristics according to the elements, and can differ greatly in appearance. Others can resemble large serpents, while many fly through the air with wings. Dragons are known throughout many cultures, including Africa, Europe, and Asia.

The Chinese believe that there are dragons and dragon rulers that preside over the elemental kingdoms. The Dragon Kings are the rulers of the four elements, or the four "seas". This article discusses the Dragon Kings: http://www.cdot.org/history/dragon_articles.htm

Dragon magick is very real. It is rare that dragons approach humans, as they are very reluctant to work with us. They can see our true nature and our intentions, and will not work with anyone who is not coming from the highest and best place with their wishes. Dragons are very powerful, and one must exercise caution dealing with them.

The Grey School of Wizadry has an excellent book on dragon magick. They are found at www.greyschool.com.



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Always picture dragons with wings and that old reptile look. As for magic & another relm ,who can be sure.



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I always figured dragons came in all different shapes, colors, and sizes. Like the giant reptile with wings, snake like, Even ones with gills that live underwater.



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Here are some good Links both from previously posted stuff and from the Web:

https://www.vampirerave.com/message.php?message=469722

https://www.vampirerave.com/message.php?message=469590

http://www.allaboutcreation.org/Dragon-History.htm



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For me I feel that the dragon is purely a myth or legend and find no reason to believe other wise at this point.



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My question is do you beleive frist that Draconia is dragon magic, that it is real, that it can work and how do you think it works.

Do you think dragons are in another astral plan and that there is Rulers for each elements and a fith for the elements itself.

i have no proof of that so i don't know the answer.

Do you think they can read your heart and see its purity or how rotten it is ( no offence intended here)
once again, empirical "proof" is needed for me to either confirm or deny this.

Do you think they are liek a big lizard or like a long snake?
i believe that is possible. there must be "some" proof to all of the drawings and historically captured "descriptions" of the dragon.



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I've herd of this kind, and seen it done, I'm told to be kin to the dragon but not of there blood, what ever that means.



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Anything that you can imagine exists somewhere in the multiverse...so there is a plane of existence with dragons that can be conjured up for magik.



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i do believe that they can be from another realm and that they have the ablity to sense a persons intent like all animal do



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I will try to scan the alphabet I have on paper. The one use for the rutal, speaking and writing.

Each elements of the ritual from the dagger, the sword, the cup etch have the makrings of the dragon attach to its element, water, fire, wind earth and the light and chaos

I also know that when doing a ritual you need to open the altar's door and once complet you need to close it.

The dragon magic of the water is the more calm one, the fire is the more: move over I will end its now, kind of magic.

The Chaos and light dragon magic is the one keeping the balance of the hole magic itself



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the dragons are in a different plan of existence, they are immortal wise and can and will interact with humans who seek their knowledge and assistance. But in order to do that there is many things to learn and explore also faith helps.

In order to get to view and feel them it requires to learn to visualize as if being there in their presence.

For exemple being able to visualize them, their scent, also to feel the coldness of ice without ice in our hands feeling warm without the hot wax of candle etch.....



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there is 3 degrees of visualizations, once you acheve those you can then move to the psychic part of the Draconia the psychic touch, psychic hearing smelling tech.

Then once you master those technics the rest is pretty easy to acheve.



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In truth, there are always differant ways to communicate with the golden age creatures...Such as dragons, fae etc.

Though magik is one aspect, it is a bit of an ancient discipline, the modern day usage is quite miscude and easily miscommunicated during ritual.



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Here is something I would like to know, if you have dragons blood " " would you have a higher temp then normal?



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Are you talking about being a hybrid or something? Cause bloody hell...A human with actual dragons blood within their veins...



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Yea sorry doing a million things at once, I meant like that of me, being kin but not of dragon, and a hybrid as well.



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I would think the only difference if you had dragon blood would be a better hability or easier access to comunicate with the dragons. Other then that I would think nothing else. Since the draconia takes practice effort and discipline just like any other art of the craft.



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The existence of dragons is purely that mental creation of human kind. That would include the formation of dragon magic. Man has made it up and developed it over the ages.

But the question of the origin of the dragon is another question as well. It is in response to early man's observations of the large retilian lizards (gators, crocs, monitors, etc.) and/or the observation of large reptilian fossils from our dinosaur predesesors?

Plausible, but unprovable.



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thedog, why do you say this? There is proof that some type of dragon was at one time alive.



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Please, produce the proof to me, I am always looking for knowledge.

If a dragon existed, I would have expected a display at the Smithsonian's Museum of Natural art along with the fossils of thousand of other creatures that existed from the past.



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Well look at the dinosaurs, in a way some of them were dragon like, It will take me a bit, I've do not have the link on this computer. But look at them, not all dragons have to have wings nor breath fire.



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Well, you if you are saying the dinosaurs are our dragons, then that is exactly what I had stated in an earlier posting.

A man finds the bones of a dinosaur, and uses them as the justification for the existance of a dragon.

Or are you saying that there is proof of a dragon that is speficially dragon and not related to dinosaurs?



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I saw a episode on the discovery channel that said they found the bones and could be made out to be a dragon. I'm not saying all dinosaurs are dragons, but some might have been. Some could have been water ones. I mean look, we have no idea whats in the ocean at all. What if some evolved and headed below sea to live?



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the dragons of the Draconia are in an astral plan of existence. First off toss away the medival and mtyh ideas you have. As dragons are more enlighten creatures. That can assist you on your path of the Draconia to become a Daraco



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I found your Discovery Channel reference to a feature they did on Dragons, located here:

http://www.discoverychannelasia.com/dragons/types_of_dragons/index.shtml

But a paragraph about fossils still does not constitute as much proof as does dinosaur evidence.

I tried some additional web searches and was not able to find anything more than verbal speculation of the existance of realy physical dragons.



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thedog You are right I am not finding the web sites I saw. May have been shut down or what not. But crying is right, in a way they are on another plane that very few can see.



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If they exist on another plane, then there will not be any physical evidence of their existance.

Not saying that they don't exist or could not have existed, but I am speaking to how the belief in the existance of a dragon would have formed over the centuries.

The fossils and the tall-tales of observing our current larget lizards would be enough.

If you find anymore, let me know.

I am a AD&D enthusist, so I did the dragon lore, but that is primarly in the form of fiction.



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I'm still looking but can not find the links. I might try for the ocean kind, there are tails from sea men of such things.



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The old sea tale of serpents is another great area where observations of one thing lead to the belief of another.

The most prevelent is the giant sea squid, which has been proven with quite a bit of success.

There are also other discussions on the web concerning the sea serpent tales:

http://www.tomlytle.com/SeaSerpents.htm

But the sea dragon is being elusive...

Except for:

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=119



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Would nessy be a dragon?



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Long snake



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I believe that all 'mythical' creatures exist even if we don't see them everyday. Myths have been passed down through generations in geographically isolated areas and yet they bare remarkable resemblances to stories in other areas of the world.



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this is a new concept to me but i believe so i believe dragons do exists whether in this realm or another from all the myth and legend and lore they must b real in some way



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Well,if they exsist in a different realm,I highly doubt there would be any humans with any dragon blood..anything else for that matter.and there is another aspect to look at if one might be thinking along the dragon blood line of thought..The annuaki/Draco/dna side of it.It has been said that dragons are actually the aliens who dumped us here to mine the earth etc...



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I personally believe that dragons are the souls for warriors fallen in battle that have chosen a certain different path to death...or are souls that have become lost on their way to the other world...

I do believe there have their own place...a different plain from our own...we simply would have no room for them in this reality...

I believe the universe to split into many sections these are all reality...but not many people can move in between different realities...

As for dragons being able to read the souls that could be one of their powers...I don't claim to be an expert on such magical creatures...but I do believe they exist...

As for what they look like...I would say they have many Lizard like features as well as some snake ones too...

I hope that helps...



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umm IM not surprised that their is magick relating to dragons as where my craft takes me in to the relam of feries i admire u for studing this. and good luck



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dragons are a sign of strenghth for me



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i would love to learn how to do that



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Draconia can be learn I ma a Daraco (this is how those doing dragon magic are called) but dragons can read your heart and will never ally, associate or help you in any magic you wish to use to cause harm. They are creature that will help you and be with your for years and lifetimes in the draconia if you are a true Daraco.



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I really do think that in there time dragons excisted and in that time they would have held a power of their own



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the old anglo saxon word for dragon is wyrm (pronounced worm), and is interchangeable with serpent.

Draconian comes from the latin Draconis, which is where the word dragon comes from.

now as i understand it, the race known as draconians are not the fire breathing winged leviathans of popular fiction, but a race of intelligent reptilian people.

around 80 million years ago, there was a few species of dinosaur which where roughly man sized (between 5 and 7 feet tall), bipedal, and hada cranium sufficiently large to house a brain not entirely unlike our own. experts believe their intelligence may have ranged somewhere from that of a racoon to that of a proto-hominid (cave-man). most significantly, some of thse species had opposable thumbs.

the dinosaurs disapeared around 20 million years later - ample time for them to evolve and adapt into something more like us - or beyond.

this is speculation, but what if they didn't die out when the other dinosaurs did? although we have found many fossils, the circumstances under which a creature can become fossilised is relatively rare. in other words, the fossil eveidence we have barely scratches the surface. it is entirely possible these creatures could have developed a culture, and a few may even have survived beyond the catastrophy that wiped out the great dinosaurs (after all - our anscestors survived).

i'm not saying any are still alive now - but some may have survived to the times of our prehistoric civisation. i doubt they ever built huge cities and great machines, because i am sure there would be some evidence of that - but they could have been "people" and they could have had their own rituals and magic beliefs.



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Karnstein says something there which had me frowning like wotsits.. as what he talked of sounds too much like David Ikes claims that Lizards rule us.
Me?
I go with AK70 (If I remember it right) ..
..all things can exists.



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I see there are alot of differet opions on this subject, though I have not heard much about the topic in question before now. I do see alot of different views and all seem quite plausable.
To me dragos do look more like giant lizards ~ not snakes!



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Dragons are supposed to be ancient wise creatures with a sence of magic to them, I have heard they do reside on another plain, and also that you can travel there to seek their wisdom, but I have never tried it. I think they are alot like they are descibed, magnificant buetiful creatures.



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If you have nothing to post or nothign related to post (and talking here about at least several posts many) do not post at all. It is a waiste of time energy and also just giving more over work to Dominars they are not your bab- sitters.

On the subject.

The temple of the Daraco must be blessed, the portal must be open when doing draconia but once done the temple portal must alsoi be close with a closing ceremony.



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I firmly believe that Dragons have existed at some point in time. I would like to believe they still do. I think that if they truly were a magical species, they could very well have moved onto another plane of existence when man began to become too good at killing them. I would be very interested in knowing more about this subject. I'm not sure I want to take the course that you are taking, but I would love to hear how it goes for you. Could you possibly let me know what you discover?



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Dragons come in many shapes and forms depending on where they are located.
They can also see both ways along the thread of time.



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Dragon{s} real to me...



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I am of dragon but not of them in a way, I'm not kin but have the blood. I believe on some lvl they are real, but not on this plane.



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sheepsheadwanderer
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I believe they used to be living on this earth but are no longer. I do not believe humans can be related to dragons but they can be related to people who lived when dragons lived.



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09:35:39 May 20 2008
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Dragons is a symbol of protection in some ways



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10:01:35 May 20 2008
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In a way the do look after a few in folk lores.



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I've also herd in some folk lore that when the human race finally believes in the old ways so will the sky be filled with the bodies of dragons and other flying creatures. And there cries will be herd and once more man will ride on there backs.



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I believe they live in another plane of existance. I don't believe they are interested in humans, not any more... Dragons search for wisdom and there isn't much of that in humans. We are habitual and tend to repeat history so there fore we would not interest them.

Yes I believe they can see into heart and soul and read what kind of person you are as well.

Mind you these are personal beliefs!



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