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(I appologies in advance if there is a thread already existing, I did search and found none, but I prefer to apologies in advance in case)

When someone or something is consider 'possess' by a spirits or a demon or any other entity, what are the signs to look for?

How do you know it is real or fake? How do you deal with it?


How do you get rid of whatever is possessing the person? And does the person knows while being possess what is going on?

Do they have memory of it? Flashbacks? Or anything at all?

What are real signs of possession, and do you have personal experience of being possess or knowing someone who was and you had to deal with it?


And how did you deal with it?




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My own experience, few nights back when we had a lot to drink, well he was sober everyone else was not, he saw me like drunk sleep, laying down barely breathing but stable then suddenly i raised up sit strait, effortless without the help of my arms or anything, and my eyes were pitch black totaly, i looked at him strait no studder or any drunk tongue speaking, and i spoke fluently as if i was sobber then even in latinish? , and speaking in the third person of myself and then just snap back uncouscious, totaly passed out, to a point he had to physicly hurt me to wake me back up because it looked like I was having a seizure

this worries me, as i know i cleans all my place and all...

anyone has any idea if thre is away to make sure it dont happen again



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Well if you watch "The Rite" they speak of tremors, restlessness, personality changes and the real one-knowing that which cannot be known.
A common theme amongst vampires, so which is it? a good question.
You would have to get help/advice from someone in the know and they are rare. When dealing with dark energies their is substancial risk. I will say no more on the risks.
The truth is, and the church will deny this...the chances are if you are taken by an entity you as a normal human being have about as much chance as a chocolate fireguard. Sorry, but without someone who deals proffesionally with that sort of thing you are probably on the downward spiral and its yucky at the bottom.



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Is this the first instance? Are you having other unexplained or strange experiences? The fact that you were completely inebriated allows for the suppression of your own consciousness, which makes anyone susceptible to all sorts of influences. There are many things that can influence the human mind, body, and spirit...and although the Church has its exorcists...exorcism of a truly possessed person that is "sharing" a consciousness with another is not always called for or recommended as it depends entirely upon how strong the presence is as opposed your own will and how long the interaction has been going on....long-term involvement makes separating such entities dangerous to the one afflicted as well as the one trying to help with the process.

If you'd like to discuss it further, then feel free to message me.



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I had a good friend who was diagnosed as possessed by a priest. He would not eat, would not drink, would hear voices speak languages he couldn't possibly have known, and had become freakishly strong despite great malnourishment. One night he jumped out his bedroom window and ran away. Nobody ever reported finding him. It happened so fast.



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My opinion about possession, is something that is happening every day. People are being possess and the sad part is, they don't know. After analyzing many cases, which, I can not relate due to patient privacy, these individuals committed crimes which the only logic explanation is possession by an entity. Now, how fight back, there is no way to face the demons, only a expert in the matter can help this people.



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I probably shouldnt mention this but hey, sharing knowlege is power to all. In the film the Exorcit the girl was depressed and felt abandoned by her father. Ann Rice mentions the vampire borne of the lost and despairing soul, again there is strong evidence to support this nothion, someone who has abandoned hope and theiir soul. Indeed many slaves taken from Africa are recorded as dieing from a broken soul and spirit.
To give you a modern day example, I know of a girl called "Bianca"( named altered to protect her) she was abducted from Bulgaria as a sex slave, her passport confiscated she was controlled in Miami, she became "vampyric" and her mafia nosses and freinds were likewise seeing humans as prey. Thus those that are abused and have lost their souls are an open vessel to dark entities.
This planet is very old, 9 Billion yrs, even in Galctic terms it may be home to all manner of elctro magnetic conscious being capable of using that vessel.
Glimpses of the future may not always be a bad thing, they have a vested interest in our survival.



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thank you for your insight, to answer the question yes it was the first time this happens, at least this kind of thing.

I wonder as it was mention since alcohol was involved can this be the main reason it happened? Meaning that being impared by a drug or alcohol does that open the door to any demon/entiy/spirits to possess someone?

And since objects can't be impared then how does it affect the human and still the question remains as to make sur the signs are true once confirmed... how do you stop it or fight it back to avoid it from happening again?



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Think about this for a moment...If you are drunk or high...or otherwise altered in your consciousness aka your sober mind...would you not be easily taken advantage of? Physically? Mentally? Emotionally?...

...Spiritually?

It's like date-rape..you get slipped a mickey that makes you susceptible to someone using your body for their sexual gratification....in this instance, you opened the door to allow another consciousness to use your body for gratification...it needs no other reason.

As for why?...the one thing I find common in most of these instances I read about...or hear or experience...is the fact that the entity or consciousness taking command of the body is to "speak."

Of basic law within this sphere is the command of your own mouth to change the things or circumstances in your life and in others. How to fix this?...Take command of your own mouth and speak for your own protection...

...and being sober will definitely help.



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Can the possession go from one person to another and without common factor, meaning: no object were given or taken, nothing was exchange, it is the same people all together then before the event, except one person who is non beleiver.

But entity/spirit/demon/whatever, took 'possession' of one of my friend who was at the party that night but that was not aware of anything that had happened, nothing.

And my friend who was witness of the possession of the first event says and I quote: I am leaving XX(name of the person) in controle for now.

then it was over.

Right now the 'thing/entity/spirit/or whatever is making a friend of mine pitch black eyes, speaking in tongue and trying to hurt herself.

Is there a way to stop or prevent these kind of possession? from recuring, or transefring to someone else?



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No offence to you..

Perhaps you need to see a Doctor because of some form of mental illness you may have which you are unaware of. The link with possesion and mental illness appears to be the same thing.

There is no scientific evidence of anyone being possessed by an evil spirit...infact I may just go out and murder my next door neibourgh because I don't like him and blame it on possesion and see what happens...Oh I know what will happen, they will lock me up in a mental institution, not for being possesed, rather for being mental!

I would love to be possessed and after many years of attempting it, sadly it just hasn't happened. No offence to you believers I really do not think that it is possible. So after many years lurking in graveyards and other things I won't mention, if anyone knows of a way, please let me know.



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Mr Ban there is evidence, I suggest you read up on wiki pedia on how the Japanese tried to create a zombie army using the occult and how "the experiment" was then taken over by the victprs. Enough said.



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Didn't the Dragon King make a serum that transformed him into a reptilian humanoid....hmm


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ContessaIsabella, Enough said?

Really?.....I suppose the link with this is another person has possession over the Zombie by using a form of tetrodotoxin.

Oh do you mean the article about Japan’s Emperor Akihito who is planning to build his own Zombie Army?

The Black Dragon Society perhaps...who attempted to raise a Zombie army...or was that just in Marvel?

Or do you mean about the zombies and Hitler’s...oh wait that was just a game.

Or the alleged Zombie attacks caused by the radiation in Japan which the media are covering up.. *chuckles*

Maybe you mean the ISLAMIC JIHAD who are in Haiti recruiting a zombie army to invade the United States in a nightmarish reprise of 9/11, the plot hatched by the notoriously ruthless Islamic Jihad terror organization is to invade the east coast of Florida with the undead: Troops who don't have to be fed, obey mindlessly, and are extremely hard to kill......intelligence sources in Washington have learned.

I absolutely love conspiracy sites..

I think that enough hasn't been said, show me the evidence and I don't mean about a Zombie army because all army’s are zombies by obeying what they are told to do by ruthless corrupt Governments, including mine and yours....of course for the intention of bettering humankind...BAH!!



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Are you talking about Unit 731? Where they tortured people with their biological"experiments"? If so,I would agree that torturing people as they did was pretty horrific,and would even agree that when people do this type of thing to one another,it might be considered demonistic in many aspects.Personally,I would consider it so,simply because of my beliefs about demons.However, my beliefs in them have nothing really to do with magic or the occult or paranormal.

I believe what the op is asking about(apologies if I am wrong) are they type of encounters that go beyond shooting horse piss into veins or hanging someone upside down until they choke.

Now if the Chinese Terracotta army animated itself,and started doing those type of things,then Id say I would consider that evidence of such a thing and would be getting the hell out of Dodge or smashing me some pumpkins.
I have never encountered anything like that .



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Dimmit..Im getting these two threads mixed up,as they are essentially talking of the same thing.Sorry.
I will put it in a nutshell...
I believe we possess ourselves.different aspects of the same mind.I dont feel that other entities can possess one body.



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Oceanne you may just have hit the nail on the head...


We are all capable of doing hideous things..nothing to do with the Japanese people being possessed.

11 people in my country arrested for abuse in the same care home...all who work different shifts but were prepared to abuse the people in the home for pleasure.. This was not because they were possessed by demons, just simply because they were not very nice people.

Unit 731 has a very high probability of still operating, though under different Governments in different country’s, with different names.



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signs of possession...


when you see someones head spinning around



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Or their body floating above the bed..



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errr...Ban..you missed it...the zombie horde is actually running Congress right now..:P ...and levitation...your head spinning around...I think Chris Angel did that already..:) lol

..but in contradiction to your earlier statement Oceanne, I have to disagree with you on the point that only one consciousness can possess a body...there are and have been cases of two or more...in medical terms...it would be considered split personality disorder due to childhood trauma...however, there are reports of patients too that suffered head injury in a car accident and although it is considered truly "rare" for personality to change or alter completely...it does happen...I for one can attest to that from personal experience and when dealing with someone you know that has this alternate living within the recesses of the same soul..attached as it were like a bad gnarly barnacle to the surface or outer hull of the human consciousness...there are some things that can be done to help suppress such unwelcome appearances of the big bad ugly...simply, I've personally seen too many strange things with soul/personality/behaviorism/shared consciousness that has no medical grounds to explain it...it is simply there and thus is referred to as a phenomenon or symptoms of unknown etiology.



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Hmm,good point Silver,and I had thought about MPD,but after thiking about a friend of mine who has this,after all was said and done,there was no indication that it was disserent entities..only different aspects of the same personality.



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Ooo your splitting hairs Silverhawk...

I also know that head injurys can bring about a personality change because a friend of mine had just that happen to him a quiet a few years ago now. He only fell six feet off scaffold which we had erected and landed on the back of his head, he was very strong and fit.

He was a really nice bloke and very generous and trustworthy before the accident. Afterwards he became the complete opposite.

I wouldn't say that it was another conscious entering his body controlling him, I also wouldn't say that it was a possession...or to keep in topic, signs of a possession. What I would say is that it is just another part of his subconscious mind which has surfaced, perhaps a part that changed as he grew and matured from a child to an adult and then resurfaced again because of the injury.

Oh yeah...Another sign of possesion is to vomit green stuff and walk down stairs like a crab with your head back to front...did they cut that from the film...I am sure they did lol



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Here is just a little reading pretaining to MPD as well as possession ..

http://www.forensic-evidence.com/site/Behv_Evid/Lockhart_DID.html

http://www.joannecrabtree.com/psychotherapyarts/innerMind/multiplePersonalityAndPossession.html


Also,I might bring something up in that we see a lot of this type of thing right here on VR. Peeps with multible aspects of their personalites..or are there demons afoot and are these people possessed?
Once again we come against the old wall...perspective.

I guess it all in what we percieve them to be.



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Mr Ban, you are an intelligent man who walks a fine rope, careful you don,t slip hunny.
By this I congratulate your instincts, those I gave you.
Knowing, as you do, this is part of a larger puzzle, why not consider where you tread?
Of course we may all be talking about vampires and zombies...yet the dragons seem to focus elsewhere?
So if you were looking in from the outside, what sort of folks would you test for some cosmic understanding?



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Lol ContessaIsabella while treading carefully, you know it would depend on which way I should slip while on the rope and what was underneath, as to what my considerations would be : P

Oceanne I am certainly no Sagan and 'all be it long' that last link which you presented was very interesting.

Multiple personalities and possessing entities and he was able to reason with them, hmm an interesting claim by the writer.

Though I am very aware of a group who call themselves Hearing Voices Movement/Society who are also able to reason with the voices they hear and live a life without medical help. They also use techniques that include acceptance and negotiation.



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