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When man ceases to be, what will occur after him?

How could we be able to know?

There are so many questions that I can't even possibly get something resembling an answer.

Are we the only "men"? Do "they" cease to be when "we" do? What is "alive"?

Self replicating, AI robots.

I'm really hoping that whatever is after man i'll through some divine intervention be allowed to be apart of it, personally i'm hoping for the age of the bestial humanoids, but thats just me lol

perhaps WE will become a gestaldt entity, the new divine, ready for the next big bang?

The world will go on as she always has. Why would everything stop just because humans manage to wipe themselves out with their own stupidity? Whole species of animals that are on the near extinction list will probably spring back up like you wouldn't believe without man hunting down them, taking their food or taking their homeland. Environment sure would fair better.... Face it, the world is better without us. We're so worried about progress that most don't even think about the effect it's having on everything else. Or if they do care at all they do nothing about it because they can't live without their precious high tech gadgets and gizmos... No species lives forever though. They all die out in the end or evolve into something better. If we don't evolve, we'll die. *shrugs* Not like I'm worried either way. I won't be there to see it.

no-one suggested the world stop.. the question was what comes next.. assuredly SHE will manage better without US, than with US on her... but, even I wonder who/or what may come after us... hence my theory.

As the Earth sheds her worst parasite, all of nature begins a stage of renewal and balance.

The problem is the way we select our leaders. The ancient Greeks created Democracy based on a lottery.

Senators and politicians were found to be corrupt and had too many vested interests... so they invented the lotttery system. They should bring this back, scientists people with high IQ's and no axe to grind should all be thrown in a lotto once every 5 years.

I also think they must be made to formulate 5 yr 10 yr and twenty yr plans so as to do away with short term popularity.

Failure to do so will lead to war as competition for ever decreasing resources in this ever shrinking pond is already causing conflict.

Failure to act will lead to a breakdown in societies and eventually tribal wars. When man is finally on his knees I suspect the planet will be reclaimed by disappointed aliens...a failed project....at least they tried.

Maybe, just maybe...in a "Day the World Ended" scenario, possibly the first inhabitants of this planet will inherit the Earth once again.

life after man can only be determined possibly after we have past from this world

There's no way to know. However, we do know that all life adapts and I strongly doubt that humans will literally become extinct for any reason other than we evolved into something else or from some massive natural disaster (asteroid or gamma ray burst).

Now its possible we could have created a true A.I with replicating abilities so they could live on after us. It's possible, however slightly, that a new human-like creature evolves from modern apes.

My personal feelings are that humanity will go on, spread out into the galaxy and over time we will change into an entirely new species as happens with all the others. We're no different than the animals around us and we aren't immune from natural law. Now, we could in time be able to alter our own selves using genetic modification and overtime by our own actions turn into something else.

Who knows maybe in a billion years we might even turn into energy beings.

nothingness may take over or a void or the planet may renew itself possibly

interesting as how you asked the question: "When man ceases to be, what will occur after him?"....man referring as man not woman, because you used "Him"...Oh well...I will answer your question changing the word "Man" into Humans..there will be other species that will take over. Can be a Micro-organism or can be just a bacteria. Now, don't forget the Animals...they will be around and with no control, beside those who are in Jail, called Zoos... You question, my psychologically speaking opinion, has no answer, because life will continue, because the planet still a planet for habitat...no humans!!!

markus666,

My reference to "Man" refers to "Mankind" (human beings collectively; humanity). I doubt that men would cease to be without women doing the same. To reproduce, it takes the DNA from a Man and a Woman. So if one ceases to exist the other is sure to follow.

Cool...because today is 2012 and probably life after man will become a reality if the Mayans were correct. LOL.

The Mayans didn't predict the end of the world. *rolls eyes* Their calendar ended because they were being killed off.

I'm going to go with the easy way out and say that the end of the universe will happen after man =D
And then the rebirth of the new one.
False vacuums and all that.

That may be true but then again according to the mayan calender it also perdicted there own end about eight hundred years later who goes and shows up the spanish. So that theroy may not be total crap. It was talked about on a history channel special about the mayans I have to do some research to find a link to said source if I can find.

But back to the question at hand. What will happen after man. I think the most logical thing would be that life goes on. That mother nature and the animal kingdom would once again reclaim the earth before man started to kill planet earth.

There will be a period of no-life on planet Earth if and when Man ceases to be. After that, there will be a shift in the Universe's energies and a meateor shower will occur bringing new and varied life from other region of the Universe.
A new, parasitic life will appear and take form.
Where that will lead us, I am not sure.

A period of no life after man? Why would that be? Are all other animals just going to die off when man does because we cease to exist?

"Oh dear! Humans aren't around anymore... My heart.. It just can't take it! *keels over and dies*"

i think the thought may have been that man would use up every available resource before he finally dies. Or, that whatever kills off all of us will kill off everything else. Much like the low oxygen levels following one of the earlier periods.
Although, it might be nice to know that all other life would miss us so much that they die of broken hearts without us =D

She seems very sure of what will happen. Even gives a full play by play.

"There will be a period of no-life on planet Earth if and when Man ceases to be. After that,

there will be a shift in the Universe's energies and

a meateor shower will occur bringing new and varied life from other region of the Universe.

A new, parasitic life will appear and take form.

Where that will lead us, I am not sure."

She knows EXACTLY what will happen, apparently. I want her insight. ^_^

when humans cease to exist the beginning of nature and animals to take over ..there will be fires and explosions bc the remnants of our civilisation will no longer be watched over culminating in widespread nuclear explosions from all the nuclear plants left unattended..nature will begin reclaming everything whatever animals left..besides cockroaches..they can withstand high amounts of radioactivity...will begin venturing into what used to be cities..roads building everything humans had made..will begin to erode and eventually waste away the whole world will become ruins

I think MythBusters actually disproved that roaches could survive a nuclear deal...

I think progressing cycles, like the what the zodiac implies, is a possibility. Like if or when nature learns and tries again or differently.

The truth is we live in a world dominated by one species, it is not man, all scientists agree it is Bacteria.
They are remarkably resilient and would even survive if the Earth exploded...buried in rocks.
They are in virtually all living organisms, on volcanic sea vents, in Ice...in rocks 5 miles down...in sulphur springs.

If Earth is torched, they will survive and reform more complex life over the next few million years.

However, the idea new life would be better than us is also flawed.

Life and evolution depend upon competition for food, so the next batch will be just as predatory and parasitic.

We have a chance to rise above natures flaws, but is the animal in us is still too greedy and selfish...it's not our fault, it is 360 million years of programming we must overcome.

I have to agree with Fallenstar on this one Doru. If you watch the show Life After People on the History channel, they show nature slowly taking down and reclaiming what we have built on land we claimed. It also shows how animals would adapt.

But like Fallenstar said, the bacteria would survive, and given a few million years, their would be more complex life, and we do have over 360 million years of programming to overcome.

Well stated misfitchick, a great program and life will always find away to come back, whether nature or micro-organisms

Nanotechnology.

First would be incredible destruction. e.g. the nuclear reactors wont be able to pull in water on their own for too long so the water boils away and the reactors over heat and BOOM. All of them.

Then....lets say a few thousand years goes by and the earth has finally healed enough so it begins to erase every mention of human being ever made.

Its simple really.

I feel that the true supior beings of this world will survive after man destroys and consumes all the natural resourses. Humans can't help themselves nothing is ever good enough always having to improve this and that well eventually even inventors run out of things to invent. Supieor Beings like Vampires have been here sense the dawn of time and I believe we will be long after man had destroyed the earth

I actually dont believe there is a limit to the creativity of man. Since the beginning of man kind we have been progressing, From two sticks to computers. And with advancing technology, there really is no limit. Take the medical field alone and the possibilities are endless.

I appreciate eveyone's posts... ~bows~

It is my belief that once man ceases to exist, most of all of life as we know it will cease to exist and nature will begin a "firey" renewal of the planet, thus, preparing it for the lastest evolution of life on planet earth.

If your asking who will succeed mankind, the technical answer is the species that can be most dominate. The problem with that answer is that dominance is really based on the condition or status of the planet itself... ie, if every thing is under 10 feet of water it will be kinda tough for mice or cockroaches to rule the world.

So without the knowledge of how mankind come to an end the question of who or what's next is really not answerable.

@Kietaya

If left to the wild, most of earth's population would be extinct by now. Without Man to help breed the species, there would be an end of the food chain and this may cause a standstill in life's evolution.
Thus the cessation of most life.

Doru,

You stated that:
"As the Earth sheds her worst parasite, all of nature begins a stage of renewal and balance."

Sounds to me like you are amusing that the natural state of things is balanced... When in fact the universe is a dark, cold, and destructively violent place. The peace and tranquility of our little blue planet is the only known exception... parasites or not.

Uh.. Other species were doing just fine on their own before man. That's the whole reason for the food chain. Everything has something higher than the other to keep the breed in check not to mention the environment and weather conditions to keep populations under control and all that... Nothing is really going to go extinct just because we're not here. Left on their own they'd probably thrive especially a few of the animals out there that are only hunted BY HUMANS that want them for sport or ivory or dumb shit like that. So your argument really makes no sense. Do a bit more research. I've done papers on this kind of thing for years, Sugar, studying veterinary medicine and zoology. There are plenty of species that would thrive without our help and have the chance to step up to be the dominant species after we're gone.

Not to mention, there have already been 5 major global extinctions and they're considering what's going on now to be the 6th.

First major extinction (c. 440 mya): Climate change (relatively severe and sudden global cooling) seems to have been at work at the first of these-the end-Ordovician mass extinction that caused such pronounced change in marine life (little or no life existed on land at that time). 25% of families lost (a family may consist of a few to thousands of species).

Second major extinction (c. 370 mya): The next such event, near the end of the Devonian Period, may or may not have been the result of global climate change. 19% of families lost.

Third major Extinction (c. 245 mya): Scenarios explaining what happened at the greatest mass extinction event of them all (so far, at least!) at the end of the Permian Period have been complex amalgams of climate change perhaps rooted in plate tectonics movements. Very recently, however, evidence suggests that a bolide impact similar to the end-Cretaceous event may have been the cause. 54% of families lost.

Fourth major extinction (c. 210 mya): The event at the end of the Triassic Period, shortly after dinosaurs and mammals had first evolved, also remains difficult to pin down in terms of precise causes. 23% of families lost.

Fifth major extinction (c. 65 mya): Most famous, perhaps, was the most recent of these events at the end-Cretaceous. It wiped out the remaining terrestrial dinosaurs and marine ammonites, as well as many other species across the phylogenetic spectrum, in all habitats sampled from the fossil record. Consensus has emerged in the past decade that this event was caused by one (possibly multiple) collisions between Earth and an extraterrestrial bolide (probably cometary). Some geologists, however, point to the great volcanic event that produced the Deccan traps of India as part of the chain of physical events that disrupted ecosystems so severely that many species on land and sea rapidly succumbed to extinction. 17% of families lost.

So you know what? If humans go extinct, good riddance. We're a plague on this earth anyway. A lot of animals would thrive without us and have a chance at becoming the dominant species just like they have done after all the other extinction periods. Life after man won't "cease to exist as we know it." Other animals will take over and evolve. Small mammals did it after the dinosaurs and became the animals you see today. It'll happen again.

http://www.actionbioscience.org/newfrontiers/eldredge2.html



Meant to copy this as a source for some of my info. I actually have a few books packed away in my house that go more in depth but we just moved in here so I'll have to dig through and find them. I'll post more in depth in my journal then when I do find them.

Human beings are arguably the smartest and most resilient of all the species on Earth. Tthat's why there are 6,000,000,000 of us and growing. That having been said all life is still carbon based and thus fragile to drastic change.

Our permanent demise would require a mass extinction event. A global, possibly even an Earth ending type catastrophe. Any event that could or would wipe us out would have a similar effect on every other species as well. Everything from the conditions of the atmosphere and global temperature to what kind of plants and animals are left within the food chain will play a critical role as to whether or not anything on the planet even survives at all.

So to simply through down the type of blanket statement that "the world was just swell before man and thus will be again after man" is... is a little naive don't ya think??

Not at all. Call it a blanket statement if you will. Yeah, a lot of animals and plants and whatnot WILL be affected. But a lot will also survive and thrive without us. Read up, Honey. There have been FIVE other major global extinctions. Those extinctions affected other animals and plants all over the world too or do you think that everything else just got along fine without them and didn't even notice just because what died wasn't human? There have been extinctions because of meteors and volcanic eruptions that killed off a good portion of the earth for years before she was able to get back up to par on her own. It will happen again after we're gone. Just because the human race dies off doesn't mean everything else is going to stop dead. We're not THAT special. We're just another animal, just like every other species higher brain function be damned...

Not to mention the fact that most people have such a God complex anyway. Most resilient animal on Earth, my ass. Other animals don't contract anywhere near as many diseases as we do and are actually immune to most of the ones we are. They're able to sense when major storms or catastrophes are coming before even our systems can pick up on them half the time and take appropriate action to prepare for them or hide. After a major catastrophe you see more human bodies being picked up and buried than you do animals in the clean up. I've had to help with clean ups. Barely an animal to be seen unless it's a family pet that was trapped inside somewhere.

Even with all of our advances in modern medicines we can't keep up with a lot of diseases and they are becoming stronger. More children die of mutated flu strains every year. The common cold is becoming harder to fight and get rid of. In the end I honestly think it'll be some mass epidemic that finishes us off. Not talking zombies here or some stupid shit. *rolls eyes* I don't understand why everyone thinks it has to be some world destroying event that kills off humans and everything else that gets rid of us. Do you all really think we warrant that much attention and special treatment to make everything stop?

immune to most of the ones we have* ugh.. getting ahead of myself..

Speak for yourself, some of us, like animals sense it coming..I posted weeks before Irene hit NewYork, on VR and twitter, I even changed my kismet warning folks..

I don't think anybody noticed though, made me Grin, so here it is again for all you doubting Thomas types...
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@Nigella_Lawson Do you know Lady Snowstrix? I hear she is also a fairly good cook ; )
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I can see trouble ahead, don't hang around Jersey shore NYC staten Island.
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storm hit on 27th.

A print screen would be better and really? Out of all that the ONLY thing you got was that you can sense storms? -_-

and quakes, sometimes...don.t need to print it as
1. you know in your heart it is true
2. VR keep records of kismets, so I wouldn't lie in Public now would I ?

Mwauhahahaha Hah *Laughs (a great deal...) no really this
is me doing Johnny Depp at the docks, telling the soldiers he is about to steal the Kings boat...Honest Guv, tugs his forelock, tiz true.

Um... How would you know what's in my heart? What I know in my heart is that people lie in public all the time. So you have proven nothing. This thread isn't about whether or not you can predict the weather anyway.

As I recall it was YOU that raised the point, stating animals were superior in many ways. I merely pointed out not all folks are equal and that the supernatural is a human advantage,...well maybe...you never know, it might just come to the rescue if the asteroid gets too close ?
Ahem, I mean, if an asteroid gets too close.,

Why does it have to be a supernatural ability now? Other animals predict these things based off of their own instincts. People are ANIMALS. We're just another species. People that are able tell these things are just following basic instincts anyways if they are able to tell what's coming at all. And I never said that they were superior. I just pointed out that humans seem to think that are above and beyond everything and utterly indestructible. We've been given a God complex just because we have opposable thumbs, a higher brain function and are on top of the food chain.

Why CAN'T the earth survive when we're gone?

Why CAN'T the plants go on growing?

Why CAN'T some animals survive, thrive and continue to grow and possibly become the dominant species?

Why CAN'T other animals evolve and come into their own beings?

Why would the world have to be completely destroyed in order for us to be wiped out is what I'm asking?

Dinosaurs ruled the earth for how long? And it wasn't completely destroyed when they were wiped out. Small mammals survived and became the animals you see today. Hell, the first horse was no bigger than the average house cat. We were certainly able to evolve well enough. Others will be able to do the same.

Put simply, cats dogs and frogs just run around like a tits in a trance whereas I typed "Look out Jersey Shore"

Savants also perform amazing calculations, if only somebody could ask them the right questions.

I am quite sure small plants and microbes will go on but not without a real struggle for a very long time.

*laughs* Riiiiiiiiiiight, because we all know when something bad happens people normally keep a cool head and don't start running around screaming like teenage girls caught in a bathhouse. More deaths are caused more by the people running around trampling each other than by the actual catastrophe itself. My DOG has more sense than most of the people you're referring to.

He Hee, you really don't like people do you?
Remember, no cry when the flu says bye bye.
Must introduce you to a friend of mine...I think he prefers animals to people as well.

Not really. *shrugs* People as individuals are pretty cool but as a whole the human race just needs to hurry up and kill itself off instead of letting nature take its course and doing it for us. We're not the most prominent species on the planet because we're all that and a box of girl scout cookies. We're all over the place because we coddle the mentally inept and allow those who shouldn't be here to live. Get rid of those that would naturally die off without the help they've got and our numbers would be about half. Give other animals a fair run and THEN see how mother nature fairs for herself. The world might have a chance at covering up some of our footprints then and recovering after some of the mess we put her through.

Really??

That's it??
the "Man isn't all that"... That's your answer. lol
Every animal has it own ability when in comes to dealing with natural section and man's is his intellect. You would take away that ability and then say "let's see how man does in the wild."

News Flash, we did the natural selection thing already... and we came out on top!!

The idea that you some how believe this outcome was unfair to the rest of the animal kingdom is irrelevant. We are superior in every way that matters... and the proof is anywhere you care to look. But I believe the thread's topic was what comes after us... not how we got here in the first place.

Do some research on it then Mr. All Knowing. Top scientists are already talking about what comes after us. Most already say that animals and plants will flourish without us. You guys are only focusing on half of what I'm saying. Yeh, I'm saying that man isn't all that. But I'm also saying LIFE WILL GO ON WITHOUT US!!!! It's gone on before after all the other global extinctions and it will go on again. Why wouldn't it? Man is just another animal to go extinct, right? One more global extinction is nothing to the earth. Just another animal to come back from.

Ok... look I sure your a smart woman but what is needed here is a dose of common sense.

Everything I have said above was based on the logic of this threads posters. The point I'm trying to make is that you can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't on one hand say that man isn't so special compared to the rest of life on this the Earth and on the other hand say we are a Earth altering infestation that the world would do much batter without.
We either have a profound effect or we don't, we are either matter or we don't!!

The other point I tried to show to the group was that the reason man has been so successful is because we are resilient, we have the ability to mold our environment to make it survivable. There have been countless numbers of plagues and natural disasters (all very bad) none of which have ever come close to killing off the human race as a whole. Yes there have been other mass extinctions and yes man and other species have endured but in most cases it take thousands of years for the Earth to adjust back to a reasonable climate for which life can really flourish and evolve to the leaves we see now.
You hypothetically attempt to take a specie like ours and eliminate it completely and the end result could be no life at all. Again you have a case where you can't have your cake and eat it too... you can't look at the result of life without man without looking at the causes of our demise.
What ever could kill us off completely would most likely kill off everything else as well.
You can say that's a God complex or a know it all comment but it really is just a logical approach to the threads question.

Forgive me for asking what may be a dumb question here but I'd like to bring up the dinosaur thing again....

Weren't there a ton of species and just as many of them on the earth then as there are human beings now? And they were wiped out. The Earth is still here allowing us to be here.

1+1=2?

The fact still remains that small animals DID survive and evolved into bigger ones. Obviously or we wouldn't be here. There are plants that can survive without sun and very little water and plenty of animals that can survive on those and other animals that can survive on those animals and so forth. It'd be a smaller food chain but a food chain none the less. It. Will. Happen. Again. Some people HAVE been hit by trains twice and survived. People have been struck by lightening more than 20 times in their lifetime and are perfectly functioning people. So just because YOU have so little faith in our planet and her ability to get by without us doesn't mean that everyone else does. Neither do our scientists. It's not likely that it'll be some huge catastrophe that'll kill of humans anyway. We'll kill each other off through war and our own stupidity and whoever's left after that will probably die off from disease because we've gotten so use to loading ourselves up with antibacterials and other crap that our bodies can't even fight off a common cold effectively anymore.

You keep going on like there's no chance at all this could happen like the flukes are a once in a lifetime thing and they could never happen again. Given the statistics of every day living it's a miracle you even make it home every day alive. Give then day to day dangers and all the stuff that goes around us any one person could be killed at least ten times over in any given day and that's on a good one. Our very LIVES depend on the off CHANCE that some drunk bastard doesn't run us over or that the building we're in was built well enough to not fall in on us or that the gas heater or stove is still working well enough to not blow up as we're standing next to it. And you don't think the world could survive again on chance like she did before? Everything we do is by chance. You can call it resilience if you want. I call it major population explosion and enough dumb luck so that no one notices the numbers dropping off from the amount of sheer accidents.

The stupidity of man??

Really?? So we are back to this again...

You know what your right, we suck and deserve to be wiped out by some small insignificant and barely noticeable event. We will go out with a whimper and fate will replace us with a smarter wiser and more compassionate... something. A species that won't effect the world at all and harmony and balance will rain supreme till the end of time because the Earth her self and life in general always prevail. We know this because their are people who have been struck by lighting like 20 times. And there you have it folks all the scientific proof anyone could ever need in one location. Proof that the movie Titanic called it right... love will go on and on!!

Enjoy your thread.

*snort laughs* Right. Because war, death, and mass epidemics are all insignificant and unnoticeable events that wouldn't affect anything else in the world at all but humans. *rolls eyes* Get your head out of your ass. Never once did I say NOTHING WOULD BE AFFECTED. I said that it would BOUNCE BACK AND START OVER. There you go with your selective reading again. Throw your little fit, Sugar. As much you like to down what I've said you still haven't shown a shred of proof to support what you say either. Truth is, it could go either way and it just pisses you off that you could be wrong and that you're the only one that even gives a damn. Won't even happen in our lifetime so what's it even matter?

I personally think that mankind is one of the most resilient creatures... we have the ability to create shelters that can protect us from outside problems where as other animals do not that being said (unless we get wiped out by some disease or the sort only because some animals can POSSIBLY have a natural immunity to it) If some celestial body were strong enough to wipe out mankind it WOULD obliterate the planet making it impossible for any life to continue. Both of your sides have a point but really it all comes down to "What destroyed mankind?"

There is too much bickering in this thread.
If it continues I will close it. The discussion needs to stay on track and the personal digs need to be kept out of it.

Oh there's no conflict, we were just discussing the stupidity of the human race. See I didn't believe that people were stupid at all... But now I am in total agreement. :)