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I've heard of many things. I've read about different Houses and Orders and Temples. A few are...

House of the Dreaming
House Kheperu
House Chrysalis (sp)
Temple of the Vampire
Temple of Set
And etc.

What are your experiences with vampiric organizations and are their any you would recommend or caution against?

It is not wise to disclose information about real societies online.

Okay so that being said. If one wanted to start their own society what guidelines would anyone recommend? The black veil? Or are there other "codes" for vampires? I use the word code for lack of a better term at the moment

Good points Upir.It reminds me much of spooks.If you tell someone you're a spook,you either arent,or youre retired.
Real spooks dont tell.

Beware of Temple of the Vampire it is a cult and you have to pay for any information you want and buy the "Bible" in order to join there Temple. Most legit Organizations should offer information for free; however in order to grow and thrive I can see only offering inner temple membership to more dedicated members and selling books is OK as long as the important stuff is available in you forums. The TempleUVUP I founded is supported mostly by our Council as well as donations that are given freely. I require no one to pay anything to be a member and the network is public regardless. I am also not a big supporter of The black veil myself but it only serves as a basic guidelines of common sense but not gospel at all. Most Vampire groups have there own codes of conduct according to there beliefs (my own included).

Please, UPIR, you know that isn't true or you should know it. The Bloodline? Some believe in that and others do not. If you follow Nicholas De Vere one might believe that or others like him. I do respect him because he is very learned and well researched but I don't have to agree with him. I am always polite to him, as I am trying to be polite to you even if we are not on the same page.

It really depends on what countries we are talking about and vampirism folklore did not begin in Eastern Europe. This is part of what I don't want to discuss. There will always be secret societies but that doesn't mean all and since mid 20th Century many have wanted to get away from that and form modern organizations. Some are accepted and others are not. Who is to say they don't exist and are not real because they don't follow someone's imaginary formula. They do indeed exist on many levels of organization.

Let's take the mysticism out of all of this. Because of the nature of most people some believe in being closed off and why? Most often because of rude people who have no background and know nothing of the community and like to make judgments. They get tired of hearing it. Also because of the media. Just like many who are involved in Paganism, they get discriminated against. They are of a variety of belief systems meaning religious viewpoints or none at all. Some live in the Bible belt and those in European countries are very secretive and always have been. Their lives can be ruined if anyone suspected and it is the same in the US in some areas. They are not tribal exactly but they tend to be, some of them, clannish but remain individualists and why all the bickering amongst them. Everyone changes with the times.

The US Houses generally have an inner and outer circle and very often are themed. You can learn a lot from the VVC because they have a public site and one for members only. It is not a House but a group of people from all over that do disseminate information and have open chats for the public. They are all connected to different organizations. There are more types of organizations than Houses that have various activities and beliefs and information they DO disseminate to the public, but again not all of them. You also have those that aren't what they say. What's knew, and gangs in this country are emulating vampire Houses and there is nothing anyone can do about it. THEY ARE DANGEROUS and are a separate thing. They are also secretive.

Vampirics don't come out of the same backgrounds or areas. They have differing opinions on things. House of the Dreaming is connected to Madame X. She is also founder of other things such as Dark Nations and you can find her in YouTube under the Collective. JP here is well known throughout the community but he deals more (in my opinion and don't get mad at me Jonathan, with spiritual things, but he does talk about other aspects and has very strong opinons about what he believes).

Please don't try to stereotype because most likely you will get things wrong. Temple of the Vampire is considered by most to be a cult. They believe sanguinary vampires to be unevolved and feed in the astral. They believe that they are superior to other people and they conceive of themselves as sort of "other" than human. Humans are cattle to them. The Vampire Bible only pertains to that organization. The Temple of Set is not a vampire organization. They have a level that deals with vampirism and that is all. They are not a House.

You have to look up each individual House and see what their philosophies are. The basics are most generally the same but their goals and beliefs may differ. One in particular is Ordo Sekhemu. They follow Sekhmet and are Luciferian in philosophy. Even so their over all organization set up is like Kheperu. It is very academic and requirements in research are involved.

It is something impossible to cover in a forum because of the diversity of the Houses, Councils, Havens, Courts, Halos and the list goes on. Some of these are merely social in nature.

Before you join any group ask tons of questions, and pay for nothing! There was an answer about starting your own group. Start the group with common goals and have rules based on common sence. No need to be cryptic and mysterious. That might be great for a thrill seeker, but overall bad for the group purpose

You are speaking of Vampire Organizations and like any organization they have some sort of set up. It is not unusual for any organization to have rules and some things secret from the general public. I don't know any organization such as Masons, Improved Order of Redmen and a whole list of fraternal and coed organizations that don't have some things within them that are kept from the public but any of the groups who allow people to join do usually vote and sometimes have a more public side. An organization is one thing and a forum to discuss the topic is something else. On the net you cannot see people as you can off the net so sometimes the criterion for such is different but I can tell you if they don't know you, you will either need a reference or have to wait until people do know you after a period of activity. Do you think when you apply to any organization no matter what the background that they openly accept everyone unless we are talking about fan clubs and things like that? It's just not going to happen and like any organization they reserve the right to decide what information they will give out publically and what they won't. The OVC varies on that idea. The order I mentioned previously has information right on the net you can read their beliefs and requirements for membership. These types of groups are not looking for looky lous, there are places for that in forums.

Starting your own organizations is fine but it doesn't mean you'll be accepted into the community if you believe yourself to be a vampiric. I know some here who scoff at certain things but yet are on Merticus' friends list in FB. I find that kinda interesting. On occasion I have asked him about certain people and come to find he doesn't really know them and generally that is where they stay, just on his friends list and nowhere else.

Asphalt I'm a member of a Frat myself from my college days, and I empathise with what you say. Some orgs are exactly like that. ASnd i cannot imagine why people who state they don't believe in what VR stands for, and yet they're here or on other sites like this.

when looking to join a house, coven or order make sure you share the same views. I have opened a house 11 years ago and we still stand.

Organisations can be Ok if they're very open minded and not blinded by something so unusual that it sounds crazy

Generally organizations exist for those of a certain type.

Not all types will identify with them.

Some will try and work them from an angle.
Others will try and get them to come apart from the inside because they think their way is better.

Still others will be offended by the very nature of the grouping because they havent the stomach for something that they put themselves in, so to punish the group they will do what they do best, and that is bitch, and whine and tear at the teat of the public image of the group.

People regardless of what you view as the nature of your soul is. If you open yourself to a mind set, and a way of thought, and you change your idea of what you are doing. it is you who needs to leave and find something else. The organization exists for those who need it to, in the ways that functions. It forces the soul to move, progress, and develop.

This is true from a work perspective, from a social perspective, as a governmental perspective, from the experiences I have had.

While still there are people who finally find their path, find all it was that they were looking for and from there they can go and build their own orders, their own society, to fulfill that need within themselves to really do things which contribute to a long, possibly generational body that can work in ways that are similar with the ideas, directions, passions that they have.

of course there are also those who stand at the outside, never getting in, and making a noise because they want in, and cannot because of various reasons, such as: mental instability, criminal activity, sexual depravity, moral ambiguity.

Organizations run on a code of conduct, because they create and enforce such laws as will benefit those who take part in the pleasures of what it is they offer. If you want what it is they offer, if you would do what they ask, then it is your choice not one made by the order, to drink the kool-aid or not. It becomes then, do you have the will to learn how others think, and reconcile that individual quality, for the requirements to be apart of their many?

My two cents to the subject. Well, here in "Vampifornia", there are many Vampire societies, club and even cults, who follow many rules and regulations as how their members are suppose to discuss their where about. That is the reason they are secret. and no, they don't kill babies and get their blood during rites. An organization always will ask their members to contribute some money to help with every day running of the group. But, is not a lot of money.

I belong to a secret society that only divulges information to members of that society and we are "all" ordained minister's to further are secrecy under the veil of the cloth, yet that does not mean that we are committing vile indecencies upon humanity, nor do we fear attacks from others who do not share our view of the world. Our secrecy protects our beliefs from unwarrented criticism from non-believers.

Saying that an Organization is shady just because it is secretive is a broad statement, I have a private website with 7 members that is invite only, does that mean that I am up to something untoward simply because I don't want everyone to pry into what I am doing?


I reiterate EternalNeophyte's statement: What Guidelines would you recommend when setting up such an organization besides the standard "don't do anything illegal" line?

someone should say where they are at, because i want to join one in real life, not online stuff, and that's the only way if someone could. but i do agree if you open up to much, you might be hurting the ones already in the society

You can usually get into House message boards and things like that but to get into many Houses, you have to go under a voting system. Even though the VVC is not a House and does not take a specific viewpoint, the members are recommended and then discussed and voted upon and not everyone makes it into the group. Therefore you might or might not make it into a House even if you find one. It will depend. The OVC I believe is much bigger than offline groups but they both exist. Online gives people the ability to connect who otherwise could not due to where they live. If they don't know you, they might require you getting a reference. There are a few that won't care as long as you live in the area. I might suggest a meetup group to begin with, get to know people and they may be able to direct you to a local house or in a town nearby that meets off the net. There are a number in Las Vegas and some in California, NOLA and around the country but as I stated more who are on the net. Of course numerous in other countries and many outside the US meet off the net.

There's a lot of groups that are quiet and tight lipped about giving out any information. I don't blame them. I live in the bible belt, and it could be dangerous for your identity to get out. There are plenty of "true believers" who would not just harass you, but you could also loose your job, custody of your kids, your home, and so on.

Now, given we as a community are starting to become more visible (weather we like it or not), and people are going to look for us. Some of those people are not folks you want to have any kind of attention from (media, psychos, predators, minors, ect). They don't want unwanted attention and want to protect it's members from such. It doesn't mean that they are involved in illegal activities.

When it comes to joining any organization, ask a lot of questions. Talk to different members, including some who have left the organization. Be familiar with the Bonewits’ Cult Danger Evaluation Frame, you can find it on sanguinarius.org. One thing I can say is that if something feels wrong to you, go with your gut. Don't let anybody tell you that you have to have sex with them to be a vampire or part of their group (it's sad how often this shit occurs, and how many people buy it).

I think the society that anonymously runs the black veil organisation is the most respectable I've heard of.

I would not say, however, that it is dangerous to trust those who don't advertise publicly. Yes, they should be willing to address questions and account for themselves but many covens harbour sangs that really don't need the people in their mundane lives finding out who they are.

Also, a society's guidelines should just work to seek the needs of that society and protect its members as best as it can. There's no real authority on how we are supposed to be,just those who claim authority.

To answer the original post, the only one I know of close to me is the Court of Lazarus. Just google that - they'll come right up. At any rate, they have, as most have already described, an inner group ("citizens") but are open to the public for their events. I cannot speak to what the 'citizens' do but they ARE exclusive.

What amazes me is how few people actually realize these things are done in satire, to make money and to further a popular subculture based on pop culture flicks etc and nothing more.

The Red Veil, Black Veil, Father Todd, Vampyre Ankh, Court of Lazarus, and so many others flat out are nothing but fictional creations. They even spell out the fact the much of their "secret mysticism" comes from some random pop culture thing no more than 30 years old.

It's just a bunch of role playing groups, means of distraction, in the past a great way to get high, and so forth. They mix the smallest amounts of paganism into them in hopes of providing a thin veil of legitimacy.

Of course I'm an "outsider" and haven't a clue of the real power of these ancient vampyric houses. Give me a break. If you want a real vampire/vampire group you're not going to find him charging a $5 cover or asking you to buy some cheap pewter totally made up symbol for $50 in oder to show you're "one of the chosen".

There's a reason you start out in 1st grade before graduating the 12th. Without some actual knowledge you're gonna get mixed up in a bunch of insanity, earnestly believing it's real, only to find yourself at the age of 40 acting like some all powerful grand wizard with a "following" of 4 people. Grow up, LEARN and then maybe you'll be able to find something worth belonging to.

I am not too familiar with Vampire organizations outside of the Temple of Set and Temple of the Vampire. But, I would say be very careful and don't be afraid to ask questions. If they have a legitimate and authentic history ask for references. Don't follow fads or trends. Twilight isn't a basis for wanting to join an organization ok?