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Is it possible for a Psi Vampyre to become more human and forget who they truly are?

Once you are awakened, you don't go back to forgetting unless something happened to cause a memory strip of some sort. Either way, psychics ARE human none-the-less.

Mmm...you are using the term Psi Vampyre, which I don't agree with this terminology. A vampire is just a vampire and a vampire is a human first, then become a vampire, can be by being bitten by another vampire, and no, after the process is done, there is no turn around.

So are you saying all vampires are psychic Mark? Just curious. lol

What I say is that Vampires are NOT psi. Psi is a terminology used by some as a super power seen the future to come. There is no psi, humans or Vampires. My humble opinion.

The term was coined by biologist Bertold P. Wiesner, and first used by psychologist Robert Thouless in a 1942 article published in the British Journal of Psychology.[3] Psi was argued by Thouless and Wiesner to offer a non-theoretical manner of referring to extrasensory perception and psychokinesis, these terms being unjustifiably loaded with suggestions as to how the phenomena were caused or experienced.
The term psi denotes anomalous processes of information or energy transfer, processes such as telepathy or other forms of extrasensory perception that are currently unexplained in terms of known physical or biological mechanisms. The term is purely descriptive: It neither implies that such anomalous phenomena are paranormal nor connotes anything about their underlying mechanisms. Historically, the study of psi has been viewed as existing far outside the normal boundaries and concerns of 19th - and 20th - century science. Whether proposing the possibility of contact with the dead or novel forms of communication, books with titles such as Beyond the Reach of Sense (Heywood, 1974) and Beyond Reality (Rogo, 1990) establish psi as an object of scrutiny out of this world; and to many the study of psi and its existence are seen as existing in the Margins of Reality (Jahn & Dunne, 1987

I agree with markus. A vampire is a vampire. I see the term "psi" and some others used on here all the time. I just sorta look all that over. It's like people combine things, feelings, etc to show what they are and how they feel. While I see nothing wrong with that.. you cannot change or alter vampire.

I guess that means there is no "cold" or "hot" water, just "water".

In all things there are different degrees or levels, nothing remains absolute.

No, because vampires do not exist.

Hm well from my understanding there are different types of how vampires get their energies and feed. Maybe a vampire is a vampire but i believe some vampires are capable of having more strengths in certain fields than others. I won't say they don't exist because I can't say that based on personal facts. Only those who say something doesn't exist base it on their own level of knowledge, which doesn't make it fact.

Ahhh... the existing of vampires always come into the light, when a thread like this one pop-up. WOW..we live in a Huge Planet. Did you lived in every corner of the planet? do you know how the "underground" work? There always will be those, that will not connect with the supernatural and if they connect, probably they will become ills with a psychological illness due to the fact, that their brain is not capable to understand what is going on. How many of you live in Romania? or Haiti? or Africa? Yes, those places, there is no line between the super natural and the real world, reasons, people are familiar with both world. My two cents to the subject.

^Just because this is a huge planet doesn't mean vampires can exist.

It's a huge planet and I don't see witches flying on broom sticks or Stargates around.

Hurr. Durr.

Vampires do exist, just not the vampire that your mind invisions.

^You have no proof. People who claim vampires exist are just a step below people who try to prove Big Foot's existence.

That is an odd comment for some one on a vampire site but that aside. It is my humble opinion that truth is not so important as our perception of that truth. I say that to say this. If you perceive that vampires are real then to you they are. Perhaps not in the midnight tv kind of way but in a fashion more like that of the people in some of the major cities here in America that drink blood from donors.

If you think you are psi vamp on some level you are but I was under the impression that that referred to vampires who live on the energy of other people?

I'm not one to normally post on thread but this has caught my fancy, as a few others have said we are at a vampire website, we all came here out of interest weather it was movies or things we want to discover about ourselves, or other people. What if vampires exist they are normal as humans work 9-5 or 2-10 whatever but its a religious thing or a genectic defect. unless you are a scientist or something and really it is all science and all theory there is no real evidence that they don't exist. We all have to have beliefs in something and it is wrong to put down what a person feels to be truth. It is not our place to judge or codemn just exist.

Everyone judges it is naive to think someone can not judge someone else. Its just a matter of if it stays inside their cranium or is made public.

It's not possible. Even if Psi vampires were real, they wouldn't be able to shut off or on their abilities. They would still remain subconsciously.

Psi vampires are like two beings in one.

Human is the physical body... and partially mind
Vampire partially mind... and subtle body.

Human, needs to feed - using food made of dead bodies and parts of bodies of animals and plants.
Vampire needs more subtle life energy.

Both have to eat, to avoid death or suffering.

anything is possibel but why? why give up a gift when you given it for a reason?

a psi vamp is always going to be a human with a talent.love the sailor mars avatar by the way.

Yes, the energy feeders exist, they really can't help it.

Its like telling a dog not to bark, that doesn't mean they are bad people, they are just different.

Is it possible for a psi vampire to become more human?

Absolutely.

The main reason? Because whether you choose to call yourself psi or sang or whatever,in the long run,vampires ARE HUMAN.And even though you might "feed" on subtle energy or blood, the bottom line is,it is not what sustains you physically.You will not die if you do not "feed".
Vampires MUST eat,drink and poop just like everyone else.So,yes,it is possible.
In reality,the choice is all yours and vampires are no more capable in healing,telepathy, empathy or other psi abilities than any other competent human.
jmho

...some one told me that now Big Foot is thought to be an inter-dimensional traveler...so I guess legend must adapt to out smart science.
Vampires...well vampires as you all refer to them as do not exist. Though realistically speaking if a Fetish exists for everything, then there is probably an addiction for everything. Meaning that the closest you will probably come to a 'Vampire' is a disturbed human addicted to blood.

Why the emphasis on psy vampires? I think they are over-hyped. These weren't vampires while I was in my youth.
But once one becomes a vampire, he can't go back. Vampires are the most romantic creatures ever to have come into existence. They feed on passion like no other. Or they can be the most ruthless creatures one can come across. Which is it?
Vampires, like any other beings, have memories. Nothing changes. It's all about becoming... Over the years they grow.

I feel this is an odd question however I am a Sang. Vampire the real thing of course I dont turn into a bat or anything like that lol, I have been a Sang. since childhood and after awakening one does not forget be it Sang. or Psi. Ect. however we are still limited by our mortal limitations meaning if you contracted a mental illness that affected your memory this would be medically possible to forget but in and of itself just forgeting in my experience wouldnt happen.

Psi is a descriptive word chosen to try and explain something and sanguinary is another. Neither totally understands the mechanism of how anything works. Of course, there are numerous theories. Yes, those who identify as vampires (just a word) are human and most describe themselves that way. Like any other subculture, they have devised their own lingo for things. Some use them routinely and others not. Energy exchanges are made with everyone it is just that those that call themselves psi, need it to boost themselves along with the energy they get from food which is calories. Calories are merely energy units and for some reason not sufficient. I have done a lot of research on this and it's a complex topic. They take energy consciously and unconsciously (which most don't want to hear or will argue about) and this goes for sanguinary vampires as well, it's not all blood drinking, but they deny, deny, deny. Of course you can call all of this merely my opinion. As one gets older, one becomes better equipped to control some things. Some of this type have donors and I would say in my opinion, not the majority of the psi types.

People do make judgments and in the vampire community as well. There are those that think only blood drinkers to be the true vampires and others think blood drinkers to be unevolved and it's not just the TOV. There are many stories told of vampires projecting from the grave and taking lifeforce or sometimes they say the soul. There are those in the British Isles that drain lifeforce in certain localities and not in others but all in all, I am of the opinion that the feeding style is insignificant. Someone came up with the idea of calling anyone besides sanguines to be psi or psy and there are other words used such as Psionic, Pranic and the list goes on, even sexual types have many names and essentially are all lumped under the name psy/psi. When a question is posed you need to specify if you mean fictional, historical or modern subculture or all and then identify which you are speaking about. All of these don't mix. If one doesn't believe in vampires I find it funny one would be here unless to make trouble. No one requires anyone else to believe, there is enough bickering in the community to make outsiders views sort of superfluous to them. They disagree if there are types but one, what they can do or not do, what is role playing and what the cause is. Majority believe you are born the way you are and it is at the awakening that you become fully aware of it but there are those that don't have awakenings so you can see how this could go on and on and cause fights. Many vampirics don't believe in psi vampires, yet the one who has most influenced the culture, Michelle Belanger, is a self-proclaimed Psi.

I do believe vampirism exists though there are many who fake it. I'm not an expert on the subject but isn't it also true that where there's smoke there's fire. Many don't believe in witchcraft and yet its been on the news many times that people in the native locations were found missing organs or just missing and then parts were found in the local witch doctors muti(potions). I am from Africa and I have witnessed many things that regular people would find hard to believe. We also had some local teens filing their teeth and drinking blood or so they claimed. Its not for any of us to say what is and isn't true if you don't have first hand knowledge. As the saying goes seeing is believing.

The one constant theme in pretty much every Vampire myth or description I have ever heard of,is passion and sex.
No matter how they feed or what they feed upon.It always seems to go back to passion and sexxx.

he he he, you noticed :) The thing is many believe there is heightened sensory. Many are drawn to BDSM and it is a good way to stretch your sensibilities and find a donor, lol. I am not one of them. I have a certain repulsion for some things due to my metaphysical/spiritual beliefs that have nothing to do with being or not being which influences my views about things. I'm afraid I don't believe in certain things others do.

I don't think anyone has to be "un" anything to learn to control urges. When all is said and done, you may get tired and become grumpy but you will survive until you can take care of the situation and there are a variety of ways to do that yet some don't want to acknowledge it especially the younger people of the culture who say the older ones and their opinions should be sort of obsolete...heard it all. People wonder about immortality but even in Dracula he could be killed. If someone can age and die prematurely because of a gene why not others have a genetic anomaly that creates the situation? Perhaps it hasn't been found. They just found the gene for the rare disorder I mentioned. Most don't believe there is a genetic tie but then it is a belief because they just don't know. I don't think anyone can change what they are and I don't know if it's something one can recover from or be "cured" more or less. It's one of those unseen things unless someone clues you in and because of that, you find people who just want to be noticed and after awhile it comes out when they disappear from the VC and or OVC after a period of time. it's an attention seeking activity for some and others, it is a state of being...who's to judge unless they are making fantastic pronouncements. It's actually a way not to be noticed because one isn't taken seriously in the midst of role-players.

Marlan, the sad truth is nobody wants to admit to being a sang, let alone a vampire.
The thread @my strange addiction@ was a test I set... Of the hundreds of Vamps who would come forward?

Answer...one person!

Slow claps the scientists and church academics, well done...all you have done is driven your own research underground.

As for proof if people think all the photographs of eyes and witnesses to change are just coincidence or delusion think again. The black and red themed misty maroon background one finds when one logs onto VR is right infront of your very own eyes. But being normal folks, they just cannot see it.

As for the sex thing, its the energy transfer, Oceanne knows it as "the little death" when sometimes the heart is sucked dry of electro-magbetic energy...great way to go though.

Of course there are many conventional ways to die, but it would be interesting to study if some sucubus types have done this more than once. The Police keep no records of natural causes...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2114381/Robert-J-Caldwell-death-Married-newspaper-editor-63-dies-heart-attack-having-sex-woman-23-Oregon.html

I'm not sure if I agree with the statment that a vampyre isn't human... A few have mentioned it before me and I agree with them.

I think it depends on what you deem as being human and what psi vampiric qualities you may be referring to

To begin with, vampires are human. Not just some vampires, but all vampires.

Have you ever had the experience of losing yourself to the influence of something or someone else, where priorities and methods of acting you assumed would never change suddenly became dormant or perhaps even repulsive?

You have, yes. Then you understand the premise. Vampirism, which is a trained habit, can undergo private extinction just as any other behavior can. The trouble then is in choosing to see vampirism as a state beyond personal control, which it is not.

- D

Sheesh MrD. way to go to end a thread.
In one box you seemed to encapsulate the argments with the prevarication of those before you.

I concur. The debate about human or psi or... is irrelevant really. Surely the answer to the question itself, is that it's possible.

You can't/don't transform into a human because a psi vamp, vamp, or whatever is a human still.

I agree with those who've stated that vampyres are human; physically, yes, this is so. The subtle body, however, is an entirely different story; the need for external energy sources that do not feed the physical body is the only difference between vampyre and others.

There is no "becoming" a vampyre either. No one bites another individual--willing or not--and magickally they become reborn. You're subtle body either is or is not that of a vampyre. Indeed, there have been cases of donors who have been fed upon to the point of experiencing something of a temporary vampyrism to regain what they've lost, but again, the key word is "temporary."

On the subject of Sanguinarians. No thanks to some of the more public figures in the Community (who shall remain nameless), Sanguinarians are looked down upon, while "Psi"s are becoming more acceptable. This is because of the controversial issue of ingesting blood; naturally the notion makes people uneasy, and poses questions that have been addressed and debated ad nauseum.

This "born, not made" idea is popping up a lot these days. And while I respect anyone's right to believe that, I have to disagree with it.

The Sanguinarium(1995), and by extension the Ordo Strigoi Vii, have popularized this belief as an indirect means of cultivating a climate of exclusivity within the subculture, and more directly to help Father Sebastian with getting laid(an otherwise difficult task for a leather-clad, furry with plastic fangs).

They seemed to have stumbled onto this point though, because of the mythology outlined in The Vampire Bible and related texts issued by Temple of the Vampire(1989), which Sebastian Todd used as partial source material in the creation of his writings. However, even within that setting, it is acknowledged in their lexicon that born vampires, whom they call Quissain, are of a rare variety. And made vampires, known in their system as Ardetha, are admitted to exist. Immediately following this admission though, it is granted that the existence of such people is an ongoing debate within that community.

The most popular person in recent times responsible for pushing this bit of nonsense, is Michelle Belanger. That is an interesting point all around, considering that House Kheperu chooses to use expressly Egyptian symbolism to relate it's theories, and yet supports a belief that is not, to the best of my knowledge, implied by the very death rites or beliefs of the culture she chooses to claim spiritual alliance with.

The point is, before the Sanguinarium, Michelle, and even before the ToV, it wasn't a debate at all. Vampirism, when even taken seriously as an occult practice, was acknowledged as the syncretic adoption of existing techniques aimed at ensuring the survival of the soul after death - hence offerings of food, drink, and the living to the dead in times long past. This process of preparation was begun in life. Vampirism, as a magical technique today, is an emulation of those methods combined with the obvious trappings that the word itself entails through it's historical usage.

Flatly, even if a vampire were born and was simply "awakened", how do you verify that? Whether or not vampirism is even valid should be a subject of debate, if ever there should be one, not who was or was not squeezed out as one.

In my opinion, adopting vampirism makes you a vampire, in the same way that adopting Buddhism makes you a Buddhist. Hence, I believe, you do become a vampire. It is an act of will that a person should take responsibility for.

Mr.D,

You say, "This 'born, not made' idea is popping up a lot these days" as if the notion were new. I've been active in the Community for six years, (as it is inappropriate for anyone to do so before the age of 18; for mostly red-tape reasons which are understandable.) and the same has been echoed. Do I support the idea? Yes. Why do I? The same reason many in the Community do, yet the answer will never suffice; experience.

I am fully aware of what ideas are supported in ToV, as well as Aset Ka--reading their respective books alongside one another reveals similarities-- and, as you have mentioned, "true" vampyres are considered a rarity. "Ardetha" are also mentioned in the original V series, however, the belief is quite opposite; one who is made is a rarity. Even a few conversations with Asetianists over the years has loaned support to the "making" of vampyres being rare, as there is a ritual for such.

There will always be debate on this subject; no different than any other aspect of the Community. It's expected and understood.

In my opinion, both ToV and Aset Ka take a more religious stance than many others in the Community--granted there are Houses that function in the same manner. Vampyrism, for a great portion of the Community, is by no means a form of religion, nor is it considered a choice.

Now, before anyone decides to question why it is not a choice... I have answered similar questions for years now, seen the same debates, read several medical/scientific reasons as to why vampyrism is "impossible." I have come to understand that not everyone will agree, that's fine. I can only relay my personal experiences along with those of individuals I've known for years...

Making a conscious decision to dress like a fictional vampyre--which only makes you Gaja, a "fashion vampire"--or follow any path venerating vampyres does not a vampyre make. Sometimes I view it the same way I do Wiccans who claim that just because they follow Wicca; they're automatically witches, that's a fallacy.

Apologies for the length.

anything is possible...its only how probable something is that is of import. to turn back the hands of time is very difficult indeed, and while not impossible, seems rather improbable to me.
~W~