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Supposedly a story has arisen of a House whose members are not as safe and protected as some would profess. What "rules" or "guidlines" are followed when adopting a member into your "house" or "coven" How does one truly protect one's members when they don't "truly" get to know them? How can a master of a house be so reckless. Or are the idea's of a house more of RPGers in need of getting their ego stroked. I protect my pack. I walk a straight line when the protection of my kin is questioned. Rape is not a word to be used in our clan.And neither is fear. When daddy is home. All is safe. This is my opinion that a house whose leaders cannot defend their own and open your doors to non-house members have much to learn about respect of your members and being true leaders.
Aren't one of the Vampire laws to be discreet? Do you just allow anyone to join if the only reason is that they will suck up to you? Or do you observe their behavior? Do you find anything at all about them?
Some rules are made as an attempt at self-preservation instead of trying to conform. A house is only as strong as it's master. What do you think?

you are right there but a house is also only as strong as its weakest link ;)

But the master is to have last say. Am I right?
If I find a stranger whom I have allowed through my doors gives me the wrong vibe. He/she will never enter my doors again. Case closed. Masters should be above their followers. Hence the whole "master" thing. That is why I am alpha. People know before they step in my door. I will do bad things to your person if I or one of my "pack" feels threatened.

My house is safe. PTSD makes it hard for me not to make it safe.

I have no need of a "house" but if I did one would expect it to be as you describe yours. If others could come in an undermine what you are doing then what is the point?

Exactly. If a Master has no control over who enters his domain then he is by no means a Master.

Or Mistress ...
I am not of a House.
I am my own and defend myself as I may, with a sharp tongue, and, a sharp blade as need may be.

Yes. Whether you be Master or Mistress. In "charge" of more than a few people who follow you. That is my point. Certain allegations have arisen of a House on this site. Rumors (verified by The House "Master" and then denied such a claim and the victim. I take full responsibility for my pack. I do not hide behind politics and popular acceptance. Those who cross me have ALWAYS paid the piper. Show your support and do not ask a house member to deny a claim(especially when they come to you professing there was no crime when I knew NOT who was the alledged victim) And that goes for real life as well.

Like tupac said "I aint a killa but don't tempt me. Revenge is like the sweetest joy next to getting pussy"

Rahter crass but the idea of taking care of your own is ages old. For those that cannot take care of themselves a good one at that.
As for a crime of some sort between one member and another that is something for that House to remedy or not as suits.
Personally I would be removing body parts at first offense.

Exactly.

What kind of rules if any should there be for the House before it allows a person in. Should anyone be allowed to join. If it is an actual alternative lifestyle for that house and not just a group of Rpg'ing college kids.

I have seen Covens work but not actual Houses. It takes a very long time and training to become a member of most covens though. A person may observe a Coven but to be a part of it takes a very long time with much interaction and cost in terms of time effort and the ability to follow the path.

My point exactly. Where are the trials to see who is real and who is false. I see most people that claim to be in a "House" just a bunch of college kids killing time playing with mommy's make up calling themselves vampires. I am the only "pack" that I know of. Every now and again we get together for ritual;istic feeding and drinking. (steaks , sangria, smoke)
Only them are allowed at such "meetings" We know who to consider family and who not to. Many of my friends won't even stop by if they are hanging with a starnger. I always get the "Can I bring a friend over call"

As it should be in any well brought up family which is all a House or pack truely is, a neo family.

Yes. But are they truly a "family" or just fly by night friends that when the chips are down they WILL be beside you till death? That is who I run with. and I can count these few I know on 1 hand and still have enough fingers to give a peace sign. People come and go. Associates come and visit. But these are strictly by invitation only. I have made enemies in my time. Have been betrayed and hurt by so called "friends"
I trust no-one. the ones that have gained it have so by proving their friendship. I would lie, cheat,steal, and kill for my clan. Then again I am an extremist.

That is how blood is supposed to be in family. Those values have slipped away so it is as it should be in a neo family be it called Pack, Coven, or House.

That is only my opinion though.

I think that todays definition of family has been tragically generalized. They all claim to be a closenit house but when you look at most "houses" they are fratboys with attitudes. It's a popular trend these days.

Well most values of old have gone the way of the dinosaur.

Sad really. That the upholdings of old covens, houses what have you have dwindled to nothing than a group of LARP who have bought into their own fantasy world

I would not join or stay in a house if protection were not present

I wouldn't either. You shouldn't have to worry about deception within one's "house"
Where I live. You know when you walk in my door, even on my property. Even if there is 30people here at my place and you know none of them. You know my house is safe. Some House's are not safe. Some houses have succumb to treason and betrayal amonst each other. And that fault is the Master's for not securing his House.

Whilest i do belive that the master should have the majority say, he/she should not however be able to have a dictatorship over the house. Major decisions such as new family should be first discussed with the family as a whole, and if there is a vote of confidence in the new person then a meeting as a clan should be had with this person, not in the house as of yet another location, after everyong gets a chance to read that persons energy, another family meeting should be help to dicuss the vibe everyong got from said berson and a small vote made, in the event of a tie for yay and nay then ultimatly the master will get choice.

I was in a family once that the master was the only one with say and let a coupe of tit head RPG'ers, no offence to any that are, but anyway they went around a couple of days later and blabed a lot of our secrets, causing the downfall of our clan. Admittedly this is a touch subject however this is how i feel would be the safest for ur kith and kin to ensure safty and unity to the family.

What protection is their when life long friends turn and stab you in the back?

I think the leader of a house, clan, or pack should have absolute say not because of dictatorship but out of respect.
If there is no respect for oneself how can there be for others. Without that respect their is no House, Clan, Pack, or family.

See, If I don't like your vibe. You don't get into my circle. In my pack I am the "master" There is no questioning my final word. There is no democracy. I, for ALL intense purposes I am the messiah. When someone in my clan can kick my ass. Then they can make the rules. I read people rather well and have found that listening to another persons "opinions" when it comes to my den a bad idea. My gut is usually right on the mark.

I wish you lived near me Lucios! I need and want a house. However, it looks like I'm doomed to be solitary. I am in my forties and recently awakened but I have learned something about houses. I know of two in close proximity to where I live. One is democratic (has a council); one is not.

I think that anyone whom you want to bring into your house or who has an interest in your house should know all the rules upfront. Especially the unwritten rules. Otherwise, they might be an unhappy camper in the long run. That can disrupt your family/clan. I think it would be hard to leave once involved. Shouldn't a vampire house be a family? I think it has to be for protection of the members. Personally, I think this push to unite the vampire community and come out is crazy. That's one thing that bothers me about the two houses near me - one actually has a PR person! Ahhhhhhh! But I don't want my picture in the paper!

I wouldn't have a problem with one person being the "master" if I trusted him. I think if one person is in charge, things may work out better in the long run (providing the members know ALL the rules - no room for quibbling or disputes). I've seen disruption in one house because not all council members felt they were equally informed. That's a nutty, crazy political thing that could have been avoided.

You go by your gut instinct - I think that's the best you can do. For one thing, many vampires have a psychic gift and can be very empathic.

Can you move to my area :)

LOL
Although I am honored. In my clan as of now there are a total of 6. 3 friends My wife, our son, and myself. My word is law. And only because I have more wisdom and expeirience than them. You don't need a house to feel part of. The awakening(in any walk of life or lifestyle) is the first part. Let your instincts guide. Be your own beacon and people will come to you.

When I accept members into my house.. they are under a trial period.. I reserve the right to terminate membership without explanation.. I rule over my House. When I leave things in the hands of my members, they are never truly in their hands.. I give them rope.. if they hang themselves, they have only themselves to blame. Discord and Disharmony is not and will not be tolerated with me.. respect is a must.. foremost for me.. then for my members.. we are as a family.. and not everyone makes the cut.. thats life. I will not allow fighting and bickering among my members... if they cant work it out as adults, then they have no need to be part of my house.. I request loyalty.. those who give it freely and those who are willing to do as i ask, and to give an extra inch when they havent been asked.. those are the ones that shine,. they are the ones i keep.. all others need not apply. That is how it is with my House.
~Lady Shadowfox
~House of Eternal Shadows~

very good thread and interesting i agree and understand your meanings and respect what you have written

Damn, Luc, that was almost wise and insightful.

^ :P

but anyway i like your point

All things aside. I have run clans and packs since my H.S. days. When you run with me, you run with a god. Lmao, let me stop talking shit mow. But seriously. Anyone that has ever decided to take what bit of knowledge I have to share. I am not an easy man to deal with. Just ask WTD. But gods be damned. I am an intelligent SOB. And my friend werealways safe whether I was there or not. My name alone carries a certain ring when spoken. Most times you hear"oh shit, he's coming? What did WE do?" You hear my voice and think I sound weak. That's good though. You weed out the imposters that way.

Two households, both alike in dignity,

In fair Verona, where we lay our scene,

From ancient grudge break to new mutiny,

Where civil blood makes civil hands unclean.

From forth the fatal loins of these two foes

A pair of star-cross'd lovers take their life;

Whole misadventured piteous overthrows

Do with their death bury their parents' strife.

The fearful passage of their death-mark'd love,

And the continuance of their parents' rage,

Which, but their children's end, nought could remove,

Is now the two hours' traffic of our stage;

The which if you with patient ears attend,

What here shall miss, our toil shall strive to mend.

romeo & juliet?

Of coarse and rather fit on the joys of Houses.
As well as multiple threads spawned off the subject.

I'm just impressed that I remembered that. lol

Hah.. Luc thinks his word is law. Only when I let it be.. I let him think he's head of this pack.

There is a difference between a head of a House or Pack and it's heart.

To induct someone into a House that you don't know or trust would be jeoprodize the safety of the House and that person. Perhaps the childe is nothing more than a wannebe and misunderstands or gets scared by what he sees. He could begin talking of the thing he saw and could bring a misguided community down upon the House.

A side note on Alliances be they house, pack, coven or whatever name. They are for mutual protection. Without enemies they are not truely needed other than for companionship.

And Goddess knows we have enough enemies.

I totally agree with you but do you find alot of the conceptions of joining a house now is not for companionship but more for popularity?

Aye it seems so.

I am with Sidhe, I am a rogue vampire. If I ever chose to join one, I would have to make sure that it was a respectable, honourable, and most importantly friendly environment.

And how long does it take to fully investigate a potential house? What makes a good house?

And it is for reasons such as these that i have taken a more lone path, my house consist of 3 very tight knit members myself and 2 others, I know for a fact i can trust them. I'm not much of the sory for trusting any so we do find it somewhat unnearving to bring others in as our trusts for eachother is so strong that to not have that trust in everyone in the house is like a searious mind f**k on reality. Now with us we are more of a collective, if 1 gets a bad vibe from someone then all reject. I suppose thats is what keeps a small family, however if it is to be small simply due to the fact that we do not screw around when it comes to ths safty of those in our house, then so be it.

So what do you think of these so-called houses claiming to grow in numbers everyday. Do you think these "house"s are true houses or just Role players?

Sounds more like an RPG'er thing to me, especially when most here have expressed such a safty concern for their houses. How can 1 grow so fast if it were A) real, non rpg, or B) they actually were genuinly concerned for the safty of their kith and kin

Thank you Onikage. I have been expecting an answer like the one you just gave. I have one more question. Do you advertise your "HOuse" or do you follow the code of secrecy as well?

and the locale and the inner workings of personal politics?

well none know of us unless we are ready to bring him/her in, and even then once just in the front door, so to speak, not all info is foolishly handed over at once, with time and trust the information will come. Hell I feel a little uneasy discussing this here, however based on the context of the topic i feel no fear in giving various details.

I wouldn't expect any answers, just looking to clear the air(in my head) regarding certain Houses. I'm sure you know of such houses that proclaim to be NON-RPG but show all the tell-tale signs.

A truw house would not disclose it's where abouts, it's members, it's politics or the fact th

*the fact that it even exists.(present company excluded)

Yes i had an unfortunate encounter with a clan as they called themselves, went to a "meeting" ant the clan hall, dudes basement, and a good 90% of them had dice bulging out of their pockets. Needless to say I laughed at them and walk the hell out.

i agree with your point but wat do you think about very very large houses with hundreds of memebers

Anyone can read a text and past a written exam. Do they follow the code in their life? Do they RESPECT their master? And so if this "strigoii" is so readily attainable then how does one find of these "houses"?
I always was under the impression that a house is like fight club.
Rule #1 dont talk about fight club
Rule#2 DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB.

To tell of your house politics whether it be in confidental conversation, if it is not within the house or a 'MEMBER" OF YOUR CLAN. Then YOU YOURSELF betray your own "kith or kin" You show no respect. And to advise "kin" to deny that any wrongdoing has come to them is infantile and cowardly. I stand by my clan whether the tides are shifting or there are calm waves. THAT is REAL. Screw your Strigoii. Anyone can recite passages and claim "I am reborn"

And what constitutes "sponsorship" How much their willing to kiss your ass. You seem to run your house quite loosely. More like an exxagerated frat house with costumes and make up.

i agree with u luc, anyone can remember a ritual, but only someone true can be trusted

You see what you wish to see no one force you to see the truth but hey to each there own.

You see what you wish to see no one can force you to see the truth but hey to each there own.

And what I see is a "house" whose foundation seems to be crumbling to nothing. When the "master" cannot be trusted then said House WILL fall.

Then let it fall lucioswolfe.

When the time comes for things to happen it happens.

A broken house will not stand long.

very true Sidhe. I just get a little excited, like a kid a x-mas at the prospect of demolition and downward spiraling

yeh..........

what?! lol

I think you may want to keep thy mouth shut when it is something you know nothing of

1061 cogic sq suffolk va 23434

how re-assuring is it when your "Lord" gives your house address?

for 1. that isnt our address and 2 why do you have so much ahte for us i understand that joey has pissed you off and im not saying you shouldnt be but we are handleing this and we are trying to do it respectfully and the right way we didnt know that he was being the way he was to you and we appologise for that now that we know we are trying to end this in a civil manner, one another note im offened by what you have written but i choose not to care i know who and what i am and im not asking or telling you to belive me or not you make up your own mind your an adult but i think that this was all a waste of time and it should have been ended when it started is all this drama really worth it to me its not and if it is to you what are you getting out of it im not try to pick a fight with you or anything just simply asking as a person

As I have noticed. Only your house seems to get defensive and quite riled up over this thread. Others who have houses have spoken with no angst. Keep your RPgers in line.

Writing the address down now. LMAO....

for one I came to you and asked you ou wanted to let it go in peace but you told me you wanted his blood and what you want me to just sit on my ass and just let you harm one of mine even if he is in the wrong not saying he is not but that is not for you to deal with he is one of us and by you telling me you are going to kill him come on now you have to be stupid if you think I am going to let some outsider harm one of my house. two its my address no one but I live here. like I said in pm You will not harm him if you come seeking a fight it will be with me now dont get me wrong I want to end this peacefull but if you come looking for a fight it will be your last. I am no kid nor am I a role playing geek I am 31 and have lived long enuff to know how to talk things out and when to fight I am asking you in the thread to end it peacefully before things get more out of hand. thts it . Ryu Noctem Aeternus

Many houses do have public websites and "advertise," Lord Lucios. That doesn't mean they are roleplayers. They have a different philosophy from yourself. I think I might have mentioned I lost interest in one house because they had a PR person amongst other things. I know of one house that had a booth at a Pagan Pride Day. I thought they were crazy, but what do I know? They ended up with more vampires coming to their meetups. They teach bloodletting workshops, awakening classes, etc. However, very few enter their house as they want to keep it small. But they do have an on-line website for edcuation. I'd like to find a small group but I don't want the notoriety. I just want to learn, I want family, and I want protection.

you allowed an elder to be assaulted by one of your soldiers.What CAN YOU DO? Nothing. If you cannot protect one of your own IN YOUR OWN HOUSE. what makes you think you can protect a flock of sheep?

but a house can do as they wish it is not your place to question there methods their house their way plain and simple as that

I would hope that there would be a strong sense of protection in a house. I certainly would be checking out potential members thoroughly, and in my own personal opinion, would only group with those I knew well and for a long time.

Let's get one thing clear. I am NO LORD. MY pack is equal except in affairs of the house itself. They know this and RESPECT this. This is why My house is SAFE. Anyone ever tries stupid shit in my house and especially if it's a person I consider family? I show no fucking mercy. They'll be lucky to find pieces of them.

I didn't mean to offen you, Lucios. I was using Lord out of respect.

And on that final note. I have heard true houses speak and have heard others claim themselves as a house. This thread is done as is the debate on who is who. Only time will tell if a house is to last the test of time.

Luc is a fine respectable monicer for me. Thank you tho.