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Did Psychic Vampyres and Sanguine Vampires derive form the same Vampyre? Somewhere along the line was there a difference in opinion on how they feed.,which in turn caused them to split off and go separate ways?

If not which group was the first to arrive on this planet?

i believe in all honesty sanguinarian vamps were the first breed then someone or somewhere along the line certain vamps felt they could feed off of energy of ppl and natures elements .ppls emotions and also during sexual encounters .but id have to research this more to get actual answers just giving my opinions for now :) interesting topic to be honest!

i agree with Batchyld, i think sanguines were there first and psys actually derived from them as a kind with a different skill

i have no idea but im goin to watch this post to find out
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Actually we derive from the same type of condition, yet our bodies have picked a more dominate form of feeding.

Some take on Sanguin Digestion, while others take on Psychic and others emotion.

Just because our primary feeding methods are different doesn't make us different from each other in the aspect of the condition. For we can still feed Psychic and Emotion wise as well, just these other methods tend to be weaker then the Sanguin feeding method.

Only problem with the sanguin feeding method is the fact of desiese and possibility of getting ill from digesting way to much blood.

- Sin

*thinks hard* :-?

Very good answer batchyld.

I agree with the others in that vampires as a breed were first sanquine, primarily out of neccessity and environment, and that psy's were a natural offshoot over the centuries as things such as environment, cultures, and human density changed with the times. It's like meat eaters and vegans-same humans, different ways of living

I'm with batchyld on this one.

if you actually reserach this topic you may come up wit the answer that scion of requiem has. they both come from the same. I mean sanguines dont always feed through sang.. they feed through energy as well.

I do believe Sanguinarians came first, but over time Psy Vampires made their presence known...for example through their feeding techniques

I learn as I go on. I read from many different testamonial, books and sites. I would like to know where this information for the first Vampiric Species came from...could some one tell me?

alright to know what ya'll are talking about more clearly i need the definations of the two vamps...but other than that...i'm gonna watch from the sidelines...um i meant read...honestly i did...

I believe that the could have been around about the same time. With some of the other faith based belifes they where just catagorized under a form of demon sect. instead of Vampire.

Well as you know there are many different types of vampires, and of course they had to derive from somwhere. As in the human evolution. Humans derived from a single sell. who and where did the first vampire come from and when in history did they begin to devide in to different species?

I think if they looked hard enough they might be able to figure out when the human specues divided..they were able to figure out just looking at the remains of prehomospapians which were carnivorous and which where vegetarians.

Who knows who was first?

We weren't there after all.

And for me they're different because they feed off differently.However that doesn't mean a person can't be both.

from observation any vamp can be a sang and a psy if push came to shove. If a sangs has not fed in a long time then it well start to take on psy like feeding styles.

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I believe that the sang were here first and that over time an offshoot of them turned into what we now term the psy vampire.But they are of the same race not two seperate races.I believe even some are of both types.I myself am of both types so there ya go

ty Vlad..Lv...AND vampyric666 .i also like red queens answer i was gonna go more into it but she basically finished it for me ... and sin i like your way of thinking to.anything is really possible but i think it all started with the blood and evolved from there kinda like the meat eaters some eventually became vegans :) still all vamps just different methods of feeding due to various circumstances and preferences same with humans still human just some prefer meat while others prefer vegetables. so in essence the psi vamps are the vegan vamps and the sanguines are the meat eaters and those that do both appreciate all that lies before them

now as for definitions on each type of vamp short sweet to the point here you go below .this is my definitions as ive heard throughout time of my life


sanguine vamp
a vampire who drinks and solely survives off of drinking blood.


psi vamp
one who feeds off of human.or animal energy

pranic vamp one who feeds off of energy derived from sexual encounters

elemental vamps are ones who feed off of natures elements ie .storms .tidal waves ..hurricanes tornados

empath vamp a vamp who feeds off the emotions of others

if i forgot any genre of vamp please let me know :)

My opinion is that the Sanguine order was the first to arrive on this planet. Somewhere along the line one of them figured out that they could obtain their need for “human vital energy” through a mortals life force instead of their blood.

Actually

Sanguine is anything that can feed from blood.

Psychic, anything that lives. These type of Vampyres can feed from elements, which is most basics, to Animals and Humans.

Then you have Emotion, which are those who draw energy from any sort of strong emotion. From Sexual desire, to Complete hatred.

Since humans generate the same type of energy that we do, it is only right we feed off those that generate the same type of energy. Reason being, its not as hard to draw and use.

As for the fact that these were broken down further down into Sexual Pranic and the like, is a means of feeding.

Like, I'm Primary Sanguin, yet, secondary best method for feeding for me is Sexual Pranic.

Reason for this, the astral body finds what works best for it. What gives it the most rush, what its surrounded most by and will define its means of feeding through that. Now its easy to progress from one feeding style to another, yet most Vampyres stay pretty much set in their own methods of feeding, that for the most part, the feeding variations won't change.

As for the ideal of Sanguine was the first to start and from there it devided down the line. I agree with that, actually that has been my theory for some time. Just I haven't seen it presented by others before.

- Sin

In addition:

In 1998 the All Vampyres had a chance to become one community again, as they did before they split off. “The first addition of the Vampyre Almanac is published. It contains a prototype of the Black Veil and establishes the Sanguinarium ”(Bellanger, 2004).

All Vamps. of all types now have a chance to come together and live as one again. There is no need for all the different orders to be against each other and to disagree with each other’s ways. With the creation of Sanguinarium they all can now accept each other’s ways and be stronger as a whole instead of weaker in separate parts.

No matter what their will be difference and no matter what, there are people like me who see through Todd Sebastians ideals and dislike what he stands for, what the Sanguinarium stands for and the Synode. All which was created off of the LARP Vampire: The Masquerade.

We are as one, yet, just like in all the games played regarding vampires, we act like clans. Each will grudging comply with a primary ideal, which is the Sanguinarium, but when away from the council and actual with our house, we will continue to follow our house rules and our own rules. Trying to promote OUR ideals over those of the other houses.

That is how things have been and will be. Always until the end of time and beyound.

- Sin

I myself believe Sanguine Vampires came first like its been said and some found out they had a way of feeding differently making what we know as Psychic vampires exist..

I don't think it was the fact they knew they could feed differently, but perhaps an evolution? Perhaps the fact it became harder to feed Sanguin wise, pushed many to find a new means to feed, eventually through generation to generation, the ability to feed through emotions or Psy wise became a inbred thing.

- Sin

Gosh every time we hear of this subject (which is frequently) on Vampire Rave it is always so interesting! Thanks for the input guys!