Which portrayal of vampires, movies or television, is the best in your opinion ? Which is the worst ?
In my opinion the only good Vampire represantations were
1)The Gary Oldman Version of Dracula(1992)
and 2)Interview with a Vampire
Maybe some others
The best by far is Louis de Pointe du Lac from "Interview with the Vampire" To a far lesser extent is the Dracula portrayal in Coppola's 1992 version of Dracula, where at least some degree of the historical vampire's intense passion and emotional/sensual depth are attempted.
The worst is a toss-up between "The Lost Boys" and "From Dusk 'Til Dawn" where they are portrayed as pop-culture icons reflecting, instead, the soulless, violent, shallow and literally bloodthirsty nature not of actual Vampires but, instead, of current mainstream Human degeneracy.
Upir is quite right.The portrayal of a vampire as a killing machine creates a very big rift between the idea of a higher being(a "real" vampire) and a blodthirsty monster portrayed in Hollywood media
I watched From Dusk Till Dawn at a tender age of between 13-15 on a video cassette that I had rented. I can't recall for sure. At that time I could not comprehend some of the major themes of that movie. However, I thought being associated with vampires was an "adult" thing. The roughness of the vampires captured my attention as it was a very closed affair. Not much interference from the outside world. That captured my attention and interest. It was not like Interview With the Vampire where the world around the vampires was involved. In this sense, I preferred the close-knit story of From Dusk Till Dawn to Interview With the Vampire.
Nosferatu was brilliant. I only watched it a couple of years ago online and I found it endearing. Ugly on the outside, he was yearning for his love. I can identify with that aspect of that movie.
My favourite has to be The Lost Boys. Upir mentioned the degenerancy of that movie, but it held so much relevance to me. I am a wild, roguish woman at heart. I love my men. Or whoever it is that captures my fancy. I will give my all for that person. The Lost Boys was badass and wild. It has to be my favourite. The themes within that movie are something that that hold great appeal to me.
I forgot to mention Buffy the Vampire Slayer. It portrayed the Vampire best, on the smallscreen, for that era. Angelus, Spike, Dracula... Never has the Vampire been brought so close to home. The issues of having a Soul, history, pain, love, familial ties, youth and immortality were all touched on. It was a good time period.
I agree about Buffy. It was more than just a teen occult soap opera, in my opinion.
I have to say that I love the Anne Rice vamps, but the Black Dagger Brotherhood series and Anita Blake series in books I enjoy.
Nosferatu, Interview with the Vampire, and Bram Stokers Dracula are my favorite movies.
Cannot stand the Twilight series.
I never could get into Twilight either. I like my vampire stories darker.
Twilight is the worst,or anything that comes close to it.
Why..?well,for one thing it's for humans that can't
deal with the fact that vampires,are indeed hunters,
and are not cuddly,and cute,and well EMO-like.
For people that can not stand the thought of any
being,not being 100% loving,and not territorial.
I say, frightnight-the old and new one,Interview
with a vampire,ones like thoes,have a closer view on
how there natures are. or psi vamps..can be more
like Lifeforce,then twilight any-day.
Hollywood will do anything to make money,
even if its the truth or not.People will really
never know,unless they live among real vamps.
Well, in a way, if you'd think about it, the Vampire in Twilight does leave the mortal sick, confused, distracted, and lovesick in its absence. The mortal does go through a transformation, which caused hallucinations and the like. This "glamour" of the Vampire was indeed touched on, in that movie, and I think the movie was quite heavy on it, however light on substance it was.
Interview With A Vampire and Lost boys I liked the best. Worse Twitlight.
INTERVIEW WITH A VAMPIRE,WAS MY FAVORITE,BRAD PITT AS LOUIS WAS A GREAT PERFORMACE,TOM CRUISE IS OVERATED..AS AN ACTOR. QUEEN OF THE DAMNED WITH LESTAT EXCELLENT.LESTAT RULES.
lordess... I agree wholeheartedly with you regarding Twilight.
Despite the exhibited hatred by most here for Twilight, yet this series captures.. imperfectly, but at least attempts... the romantic depth of the Vampire and the bonding they develop with females and depth of trust and devotion between them. This is a direct result of their inherent depth of emotional and spiritual... and, thus, sensual... capacity that equals that of the female. And it is this bonding between true Equals that awakens both to their full relationship potential.
What is so tragic in today's society as to see more and more females actually actively seeking to cauterize their deeper emotions and spiritual values in an attempt to be more like the insensitive and brutish normal males around them, thereby forcing upon themselves the very same limitations males possess... instead of holding to those deeper values and emotions and not compromising them for men not worthy of them.
In actually believing the lies males tell that true romance is dead and all that matters is instant gratification... modern-day females ultimately succeed in killing within the very romantic values and emotions that, otherwise, would have saved them and actually empowered them.
Twilight... for all its flaws... at least attempts to promote these values, which is why it appeals to younger girls who have yet to feel pressured by males to compromise these precious ideals and values so males can get easy sex from them, instead, before moving on other females likewise able to be compromised.
You make several valid points, sir. However, these stellar female virtues you speak of are desperately hard to hold onto when constantly beaten on by the males around them. It takes a huge toll on self-esteem and strength to remain soft hearted and forgiving.
Vampires in the media used to be terrifying and hideous, such as Nosferatu, now they are sex figures and blend in with human parties like it's nothing, like they do in the vampire diaries.
Neither of them are very accurate and have highly fictionalized points like how they used to die in the sunlight and turn into bats and how now they are these cold blooded but very sexy blood monsters.
As for your point above men see women in the media as photoshopped super models and these cold hearted vampires, both are impossible for a women to be but it's still what men expect from women so there is conflict there that results in bullying from males and destructive and unhealthy behaviors and thinking from females.
I'm a senior and high school and that's what I've noticed among anyone who's "popular", for the most part the lesser cliques, outcasts, and "losers" have accepted the fact that they aren't going to get a super model or vampire woman and date more so based on personality than looks and usually have much longer and happier relationships.
Yes, I agree. However, to "become" is the key here. Some call it an Awakening. Whatever you fancy the term to be. An Awakening is very subjective here. To each his/her own. In the Twilight series, the female lead was clearly wanted and cherished by the Vampire. She was no play thing - no games, no innuendos, no betrayals. It was simple, clean and all in good fun. I think this simplicity is what it's all about. Delusional, but it is known to have happened. Besides, it's just a movie; for our entertainment. Of course, in real life, things are neither that simple nor romantic. One thing we can take comfort in, is the fact that Virtues will always be Virtues, Sins will always be Sins and Ideals will always be Ideals, whatever the era may be.
Ravenscry... absolutely these values are hard to hold onto living as we do in a world descending into crass immorality as best appeals to brutish male nature. And there are so very few males left who even recognize and acknowledge, much less value, the preciousness of all that is female. And no males ever did so as highly or as equally as the actual historical Vampire.
Of course, one thing is for absolute certainty: Females cannot expect to find males who treasure such stellar female values... if females don't value such in themselves, first. No... it's not easy. But, placing true value in what is truly valuable in yourself is the foundation of ALL that is real self-esteem. It is when we give up something precious in ourselves in exchange for something of far lesser value (e.g., approval of another) that we realize what a foolish trade we have made and... thus... esteem ourselves less.
Edward is an example (a flawed example, yes) of a male who sees in the woman he loves all she truly is and all she can become... and treasures her for it and helps her see it within herself. And he does so while ALSO understanding his need to keep himself from sating his own lusts upon her, and hers upon him, until AFTER the emotional and spiritual bond is complete between them... which takes time... and results in their actual bonding together, ultimately. Then and only then, is she truly his... and he truly hers.
This key wisdom and mutual treasuring is lost in today's world... and thus, so also, are we as a society until or unless we regain the values upon which self-esteem and, thus, our ability to esteem each other, is restored.
lordess... that was exactly my point: In Twilight, she was, indeed, no play thing... no "conquest," as the despicably vast majority of males continue to view females. And while, yes, a movie... yet where real males of inner strength and values are concerned, it is very real. And no more so than with the actual historical Vampire for whom such values and ideals are far more precious than all else... for they are understood to be what they truly are: the essential key to true happiness and mutual fulfillment.
I know this personally, for I am one such. Next week, my wife and I complete 30 years of marriage. And while there are still many married as many and more years than we, yet we enjoy a bond, I dare say, far closer. True, of course, I could be boasting or exaggerating (you don't know me, after all), yet were you to ever meet us personally, you would understand. The point is... it does not have to be delusional or fictional or even overly idealistic to have this degree of mutual bonding. It does, however, require holding to true values, seeking another/others who also hold those same values, and refusing to compromise such.
True. We have to value ourselves in order to value others.
Not all hope is lost for society, in the minority population of teens there is still some hope, I can see it, people who don't have a lot of expensive material objects and there for don't judge a book by it's cover and want to start reading it before they say no.
It's also not just with the younger population, my mom and grandma see physical appearance over personality.
Example A: meaningful relationship that lasted a year and a half with a harmless nerd who had a weird face and awkwardly placed abs
Mom and grandma: minimal trust, grandma never left the room when we were together
Example B: Bulgarian orphan who's been severely abused, spent quite a bit of time between Juvi, mental hospitals, and group homes, been involved in gangs, and takes strong psychotropic meds to keep him sane enough to be in public, BUT he was at least somewhat attractive
Mom and grandma: so much more trust, grandma didn't hesitate to leave us alone in the living room
So obviously people have been like that for quite a while, it's just now becoming much more prevalent and much more of an issue.
As a young female with a strong and passionate, women can do just as much as men personality I find it hard to find a guy who isn't intimidated, taken back, or automatically submissive because I care about what I want in a relationship just as much as I care about what they want
In my observation, physical attractiveness has always been the very first thing humans judge eachother on. It's only those who care to go beyond looks who will learn this or that person is worth knowing. Whether a person is strikingly attractive or startlingly not, that will be noticed & judged first--regardless of future intentions. It's easy to blame the media & Hollywood for perpetuating this, but it's just our nature as the flawed creatures that we are. Great beauty will always be the standard that the plainer of us are held up against.
You will not like my respond. The exploitation of the word Vampire by the media and Hollywood are almost impossible to believe. The infiltration of ignorant mind, are creating a new type of vampire within the mind of the viewer and the reader, that Vampires are an easy creature , full of love and compassion for their counter part, the Humans. Nope, the only reason we like humans, is because their blood supply. Period!!!!!!!!
Ravenscry93, that's called the Halo Effect where people attribute positive traits with attractive people and are obviously much more swindled by them because of it
If these "vampires" media has created were all butt ugly or even average looking people would be much less likely to believe the scripts they follow and trust that it's true when it's just a script created by someone's imagination purely for entertainment
markus... the question asks for our opinions rather than a discussion of Hollywood vampires as compared with the actual Slavic Vampire. Though were it the latter, I'd frankly far prefer such and enjoy contesting and debating your response using actual Slavic history. I might also be tempted to point out the seeming irony of slamming more-recent Hollywood vampire portrayals by using previous Hollywood vampire portrayals to do so.
However as this question is not about any such but, instead, only requesting our subjective views of what we consider to be the best vampire portrayals in the media, you are of course as welcome to your views as the rest of us are to ours. And, if it helps, I have no doubt but that the majority of those here on VR would probably agree with your preferred vampire stereotype, which is also entirely their right and privilege, too.
Since I prefer my Vampire movies to be a bit ``dark``,movie wise I don`t like Twilight.
However I can understand and agree with Upir`s Point that as far as realism goes it is a very truthful represantation.
If we look at the original Dracula movie by Coppolla,we see a similiar Thing occuring between the characters of Mina and Dracula.Dracula is not a Monster,but man with great gifts who wished to find peace.He loses the woman that completed him and lives on trying find someone who will complete him.Notice that he has three brides,but he discards them when he discovers Mina(his soulmate).
At the end of the movie,his love for her finally grants him peace,but the bond which they shared remains.
Twilight portrays that as well,albeit in a more ``pop`` version
Twilight was also meant to target a bit of a younger audience than Dracula so it's a teen love story VS an adult love story which also makes a bit of a difference
White Wolf the game company made a LARP game that even spawned a collectable card game ( that i played) and it was so popular that many cliques formed and claimed to be actual arc character types from the game.. they also claimed to posses attributes that sppeared in the game.. so i would say that White Wolf influenced a percentage of those who later becsme Living Vamps.
All of this is fiction, people... it's all someone's invention. It is laughable to see people chiding Meyer's fictional portrayal of vampires as shimmering in sunlight ... yet doing so because it violates a previous fictional portrayal of vampires being killed by sunlight.
Before Meyer, it was the screenwriter, Henrik Galeen (Nosferatu, 1922), who originally invented the idea of vampires being killed by sunlight. Before him, it was Bram Stoker who invented the idea of vampires being only weakened by sunlight.
... and before any of them, no such trait regarding sunlight even existed.
Actual Vampires are not the least affected by sunlight; there is not a single account in Slavic lore stating they are. Thus, in that respect, it was Meyer who actually got it closest to the truth.
Nosferatu was pretty damn cool! That is a great gothic film, I like the story line and that fictional idea of a vampire considering how he traps the girl and what he does with her
While comparing Nosferatu and Twilight I would also like to point out the definition of one being hideously ugly vampire and the other being the complete opposite, even the enemies were hot, Dracula was a inbetween
Either one can be horrifying depending on what they do and how they use their looks, from a teenage girl perspective I like the hot ones, but if they want to hold me with their storyline rather than looks or it's more of a horror flick then ugly or not uber attractive is better
well.. I think as there are many different types.. both in Media and folklore and the like.. I cant say which it better.. but I do feel they don't flipping sparkle in the sunlight.. lol
that is in my opinion the worst hollywood Idearhiaa..
for me was the best interwiev whit the vampire. From the lius point of wiev. And Angel from buffy the vampire slayer. Those was realistic ones. Other movies are full of crap. To much drama, and false informations.