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CherryAdvocaat
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On reading lots of other posts, most of you seem to believe only in, or think you are, psychic vampires.

I believe in real vampires, the kind that rise from the grave to suck the blood of the living. The living corpse that can take different forms, the one with the unholy and gorey history.
I'm kind of disappointed that no one else seems to believe in them, and say that they are a myth.

So what do YOU believe is *REAL*?

- Blood sucking corpses
- Psychic 'vampires'
- It's all fiction and just fun




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I want you to give me hard proof that the dead rise from the grave every night and suck peoples blood. Then and then only will i belive that such an inpossibility can happen.

I think you have been to much hollywood and reading too much Anne Rice.

As for me if you could be bothered to read the whole thread you would know my opinion on this topic.


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if we act in certain ways then we become what we act, if we act like that long enough.



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Give me some solid proof that psychic vampire exsist then.
If you must know I've never read an Anne Rice book and I've seen almost no vampire movies, I think they're cheesy.
I've always liked vampires, the proper ones that rise form the dead etc.
I could just as easily say that what you believe in is an impossibility.



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Sigh based on your post you really do not have anything to prove me wrong then. As for me there have been many studies done on things related to PSyvamps. None that i have links to anymore as i never followed them. As to what i have to offer The Codex is a good and fine piece of proof. Further more every thing you say we PsyVamps "cliam" to do has all been prove possible in one scientific study or another.

But i still want you to present proof on this.

oh and this would probally do alot better as a poll then anything else with the way you presented it.


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HAHAHA how would you know anyway? I think psychic vampirism is rubbish the way people go on about it, I'm gonna stick to my guns on this one, you're never going to change my mind so don't try.

Anyway, my interests revolve around the story of vlad tepes and the history assiociated with him, also how paranoid people used to be centuries ago about their dead rising. There is huge amounts of fascinating history about vampires from all around the world, even very obscure places. Vampires are interesting because no one can really prove anything, it's a mystery that's centuries old, and it's exciting.

By the way, this thread wasn't meant to be about arguing, just a place where people could say what they think is real so I could get a better idea of what people on this site are here for.
Do you have nothing better to do than argue the point on every post I make?



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14:46:13 Jul 08 2006
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Sanguarius, blood sucking vampires exist... but as far as i know, they are alive, not risien from the death.. about the psy vampire topic... these sites might be useful http://www.psivamp.org/ and http://www.kheperu.org/index.php, of course theres the psy vampire codex as well...

about proves and non proves, everyone is entilited for their beliefs i guess, so i take it that i posted these sites for inforamtion purposes and for those interested in the ides og psy vampirisim...

my opininon?

psy vampires and blood sucking ones exist, but about the ones that rise from the grave, Im sorry but i really find it hard to belive it, but of course that is what i think



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i do belive that people can 'feed' off others emotions. not in s senct of draining them but more as changing ther own feelings when around particular people



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yes that s an Emotional Vampire (from the site http://www.psivamp.org/types.htm)

It is important to note that there are three forms of emotional vampires; The First one is the psychological term of an emotionally needy person. This person may not technically be a vampire just an ordinary mundane who might have had something traumatize them, and they crave constant attention or emotional energy from a person...Unfortunately for the vampire community, psychologists coined the term "psychic vampire", to represent these emotional vampires...They are often called emotional leeches. Without help, these types of people are usually incapable of having a normal healthy relationship.. But with therapy, they usually get better.

The Second is a branch of the first but they are often Called Social Vampires-These are the "Drama Queens" , they feed on the drama in the community....and the attention they get... They are generally not looked kindly upon.

The Third is a Psychic vampire that feeds on emotion...Think of the latter as this, (speaking in metaphors now) Psychic vampires feed on Prana/energy , take a prism and split it (pranic energy) like you would sunlight, from there you get certain emotions like colors of the rainbow, happiness , sadness, fear, greed, ect... Some Emotional vampires only feed on certain emotions, just as others feed on anything they can find...



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Well i know there are blood drinker out there but its hodge podge to say they rise from the grave. Kinda hard to get out of a closed box under 6 ft of dirt.

but as to my addition to those links about i must add the aurthurs personal site as well http://www.michellebelanger.com/

other wise i can see we ave another one that refuses to come back to reality.


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Rowiel
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nice link lown... i like her psy vampire codex, it is really useful :)

yes even i find it very hard to think of someone rising from the grave like that, but as said everyone has the right to her their opinion....



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im just waiting for mrd to come inhere to drop knowldge lol so everyone can get the facts lol



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Yes i kinda found her main page by accident while i was looking for her house forum site lol. though its quit nice. I hope to send off for a signed copy of the codex her shortly. That and i would love to be able to goto the open house this year. just so i could meet her.

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15:04:43 Jul 08 2006
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yep, opinionated-shminionated that be me. hey, lets role play and believe in all that fanta book crap. yeah, i wanna be the one who .....throws that book in the trash.



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Rowiel
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yeah usually mrd has a really weatlh of knowladge that few ppl have....

Lown- wow lucky you, a signed copy of the codex is fab ;)



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OurBloodyValentine
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Yeah wheres mrd. and go check out her main page. If you buy a coppy off of that page for $25 about i think 7 or 8 bucks more. She will send you a copy of any of her books signed. For a signed copy of her work. Ill pay the extra $8 lol. Even though i already now have 2 copies of the codex lol.

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No problem at all I was gona look into the date of her houses iopen house and also post the information on signed copies in the thread when i posted it ;)

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LiliththeRed
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Well...as for the undead...corpsey vamps. Most of these cases have been proven false be science.
The skin receeding from the hair and nails to make it look like the "dead" have risen. In Greece and Hungary and many other places they have found bodies to rise in the night due to extreme gaseous quantities in the deceased. You can find references to all this stuff on google and in any public library.

I'm gonna have to go blame hollywood again for this one....maybe you dont watch movies....but that crappy holly influence seems to be everywhere.



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there has to be some truth in so many cultures that have been separate from each other have tales of vampire myths. i for 1 think that real vampires that rise from the dead may have been a possiblity based on my studies of the supernatural, but i have never met one myself, nor have i met a psi vamp that claims to be what they suggest also..........



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There' s alot of secrets out there that even our specialized interests haven't uncovered. My moto is 'Never be 100 % sure of anything.'



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I'm not sure I believe in "rising from the grave" but I do know a few people who drink blood to me that classifies as a vampire ( they sleep in the day and generally do things that vampires would do). I know people that claim to be psychic vampires as well. I believe in quite a few other things including fairies and unicorns so I have no problems at all believing in vampires. Either of the booddrinking, psychic or emotional kind. I think it's just a matter of imagination, a little goes a long way in my case.



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Nianna
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I agree with the others. Leave Anne Rice out of real life. it is IMPOSSIBLE and against every single natural law that exists. When you are dead, you are dead and stone cold, you do not rise from the grave and sucking blood of the living. Come home to the real world!



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MisfitChick423
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I have The Psychic Vampire Codex as well, I just have to finish it. It's a really good book.

Psy Vamps do exsist, as well as Sang Vamps. Psy Vamps are feared more because of their ability to take energy from someone without causing physical harm, and anonymously. But the vampires I know would never feed off of someone without the other persons consent.



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Nianna
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I also always ask if it is okay to use someone as feeding source. Everything, wether it is S/M, bloodletting, energy draining etc must be build on consent, it is only fair to all partners involved.

It is hard however to ask someone if it is okay to drain their energy, it just happens when you are weakened...he he.



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I know what being drained feels like. I never want to feel that again. It wasn't fair to me because it just happened, and the other person never asked.



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Nianna
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That is why I wear my amulet all the tie, so I can draw energy from that instead. I think it is unfair to my friends that I take their energy, and it is not something I do on purpose.



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If it all comes down to the rising out of the grave thing, leave that out and rationalize the possibilities. But consider the unknown element.



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Well look at the word GRAVE.

Grave also means like a moroseness of life caused by a mortal blow. If you can rise from such tragedy, then you do have some powers most people stay on a couch for for the rest of their lives.

But anyways Mrd you made a speeling mistake in there.

The story of Santa Lucia is an amazing one, the one who pulled her eyes out because of a love triangle. Her life or death is celebrated on DEcember 13th, her sight was restored to her. She also was exumed and the inside of her coffin has like scratches on the inside of the lid, finger nail scratches. There is more ot her lore.

He who knows it feels it, and we have emotional realtionships just for the power of knowing someone else, to love is to know, and when we love someone we know about them, so, vampire relationships can become like love since love is just the highest form of relationship. The psy vamps feed off of emotion, to get to know, to get to the point of irrevokable connection.

Now if you look at what I have just stated, Mrd is right, none of this should be taken literally, yet they put the newly dead in like mausoleums for a spell, before the burial, then they can go get their bug eater to do the exhuming when they are buried. But even if that is a plausible case for their rising from the dead, back to the Mrd argument that it shouldn't be taken literally. Constructionist writing tell stories with aims in it like the old fables. They aren't talking about foxes and sour grapes really, it is just that when we go through life we are equipped with these morals of the story for us to battle life. There is more to stories than just equipping us with a moral chord for when we snap, there is also the collective unconcious. Material knowledge gets past down metaphorically to us from the spirit in the sky, as long as we know that, and learn the lessons from "why" these writers write what they do, that is the important part.

But the immortality of writers, or even vampire writers, to rise from their grave and protect your bloodline from death through their dead pen tips, is the thing that should be acknowledged here. Writers stay active in protecting the thing they value most on life in this world, blood, or bloodlines, even long after they have died from their Grave lives.



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Darksprit13
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the whole thing that the psyvamps is very confusing!!



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there are many mysteries that are not shown to us that i think alot of religions keep bottled up, how can anyone be all knowing and say what really exists and doesn't, anything is possible i dont believe in psi vamps either but i would like to find one and someone drain my energy cause i have way too much, im hyperactive and an insomniac and its miserable

i find it easier for me to belive in mythical vamps than in jesus christ and all the magical powers he supposedly had



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Ok.

I think that I’ve collected my thoughts enough to post here. I believe in both.

It is fictional vampire with all the powers and rising from the grave, that intrigues me and my imagination. This creature shows me a metaphor for my life, allows my dreams to go beyond the mundane of daily living. They add magic to my footsteps and allow me a personal growth I never would have believed. Stirring my thoughts to the shadow that is just out of my line of vision. Quickening my steps as my mind creates terror that no one else could. It is my fear this creature feeds off of, and in my lucid moments I learn.

This is not to say they will help me do my laundry or buy me a new car.

As for Psy vampires, I have had many personal experiences with these. They have taught me to keep my boundaries or cross at my own violation. The games that can be played are numerous and can be everywhere. This paradox enthrals me. Am I food, friend or what? I can be all or none, the choice is mine.

Don’t understand what I’m saying? I agree both with what Imagesinwords posted, and with MrD. We in our own experiences create our own reality, and we can take it at face value or impose scientific explanation onto it.

Personally, I am still looking for Fairies dancing around my toadstools.



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ok, I don't rise from the grave but i do feed off of blood.... I can also feed off of energies aswell, but thats in desperate measures.

Maybe back in the day and I mean weeeellllll back in the day... vampyres rised from the grave as this gorey looking Zombie worm infested thing, but this is the 21st century, and we've evolved, in this day in age, so many people are into the thought of being bitten its so easy to get blood... why scare the living be-jesus out of someone when you can have the fun of seducing them and getting blood willingly, I find that so much better than scaring somebody to allowing me to feed... as some people would class it as a kind of 'rape' i've had that done and believe me NEVER again.....



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I think people's thoughts and feelings about -real- vampires has bcome kidna out of hand. No one really knows the truth and probably never will.

I have NOT ever been influenced by hollywood, like I said I'm interested in ancient history, stories and old suspicions.
It seems I'm the only one on here who thinks this way.
I believe in ghosts and most other supernaturial beings, therefore I think that in some supernatural way, a person or animal could rise from the dead in some kind of zombieish way.

As it has been said, EVERYONE IS ENTITLED TO THEIR OWN OPINION, no one can prove that they are RIGHT OR WRONG, most likely no one is completely right or comepletely wrong.
It is good to have an open mind to these things.
Instead of arguing and saying "NO, I'M RIGHT, YOU'RE FULL OF CRAP", we should be able to say what we each believe and the others can accept that.

You are allowed to believe whatever you want, but don't tell other people that they are wrong because they believe something else.



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Interesting Cherry,

What I have read is that people are responding to your post and answering the question.

The only person getting overtly "heated" regarding the conversation is you. If you did not wish to discuss, then why open this thread?

If it is too touchy of a subject, might I suggest then that in future you keep in mind that people like to discuss things even if they disagree. If you are uncomfortable with this, then do not post.



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there may have been studies on psi vamps and other thinks like esp but there is no rock hard scientific evidence that can make it more than theory and hypothesis



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All of it is theory and/or merely a belief. Some believe and others dont. That cant be changed. Society will never let it become a fact for they are afraid.

However there are many different kinds of vampyres. there doesn't have to be only one. There are vampyres that feed off of blood and others that feed off of energy. There are winged vampyres and many other types that have yet to be discovered.

As i said not all believe and all believe differently. You can't change that all you can do is stand firmly for your belief system.
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Hell, I am a wolf engulfed in fire in the spirit relm, as far as my opinion on your question my answer is ____.



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You know...unless you are personally there to experience a thing.....you'll never know the truth.
For some it is a leap of faith or belief.
Others need something more tangible.
I used to be a faith/belief person...hell probably still am in some respects, but for the most part...especialy where the supernatural comes into play. I tend to be the more touchy feely...can I see it type. So from personal experience. I've seen the blood sucking living vamps...and the psi vamps, but I have yet to have a foul smelling decomposed body roam in front of my trying to suck anything.
How's that?



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I am enjoying this thread very much. I'm one of those people who are open to just about anything, but I won't admit it's a fact unless I see the real thing. I've had so many people try to convince me they are vampires. They always tell me "vampires don't really burst into flames because of the sun. And we do age, we're not immortal. We don't have super powers, we just get a high off of blood."

And basically they are just describing a normal person with a fetish which makes me laugh. My friend has a foot fetish, so I'm assuming he is a vampire that feeds off of the energy of feet.

I particularly enjoyed reading mrd's post. I havn't been here very long but apparently mrd is quite popular, and I believe I know why now. Nice read man, I'll have to check out those books.

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Rofl...ok...so I wasnt the only one confused on that one....



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sahahria
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Let's get back on topic folks, as MrD is pointing out in his very nice manner. I am not so nice.

I think this is a good thread and would hate to see it closed due to getting way off the topic.



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"bad skin does burst into flames, cancer it is called, why do you think the sign of cancer is in July."

What? You mean like because it's summer? Well it's July now and it's winter here. Nyeah.

Anywho I kinda wanted this thread to be less about discussion and more about people saying "I think this" and leave it at that.
No I am not 'heated', it's just that when I give my opinion, everyone's like, "well you're wrong so myeeeh!"
I made this thread to get an idea of how many people on this site believe one thing is real opposed to another, not to argue or even to discuss it really.



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CherryAdvocaat..this area isn't called the 'General Discussion Forum' for no reason.

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What are you in Aussie?

The thing that I got off track with was response to Zonist's post in particular this is what I was responding to:

'I've had so many people try to convince me they are vampires. They always tell me "vampires don't really burst into flames because of the sun. And we do age, we're not immortal. We don't have super powers, we just get a high off of blood."

white skin has no melanin, melanin like in people with darker skin get less skin cancer.

Aging bodes well for imortality, it is not a hindrance we are more because of time passage not less, and that is the thing if you could bottle it, would lead to immortality.

The love of Vampires is the strongest on the planet, it bonds one to the earth because of understanding another on an intimate level, this increases the power of knowledge to understand the false front of words, and see through the constructionalist metaphorical message in the media, the Hollywood version of vampirism.

This topic is solely about that. The Hollywood word version this Cherry girl does not believe exists, and she might be right, for things are written not for what they are, but are indicative of states that resemble the descriptions in Vampire lore.

It is completely on topic.

The power of immortal beloved to an eternal spirit, and all the rrest I mentioned is what I believe, it is not one way or another but a fusion of that which the others have stated. We are all on the same side of the fence.
But as I said in the first post, if we do buy the Vampire Hollywood version, and drink nblood and sleep in coffins we are bound to rise from them, for even acting fake in real life, at your job in a white collared shirt, the more you go to work and wear that white shirt, the more you are the briefcase toting fool at the bustop everyone makes fun of, and you lose yourself, because the act of what you do, if it is drinking blood because you like the intimacy of the bonding experience, then death becomes you.

We all agree, even if you don't agree with me. It is just a different way of looking at the same thing.



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Alright. You don't want a discussion, then this does not belong here.

It should be a poll. Find out your answer that way.

Per the request of the starter of this thread it is now closed.



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CherryAdvocaat
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09:03:50 Jul 09 2006
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The thread is now open, as it is apprently per my request that it was closed. Um nah.
No need to be so hostile. Maybe I will start a poll, but I don't think it's very fair that you close my thread because no one likes what I have to say, and I'm not even being mean.
You can't really get a good idea of what people believe with just a poll, unless it had infinitive options.
Now lets all stop with the meanness and say what we think, without complaining at other people, please.



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lownignitus
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09:16:48 Jul 09 2006
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Well i would kindly suggest you close this again as a DOMINAR CLOSED IT! and well unless you want some repercussion( as i have seen what happens when stuck ups think they are better then the admin). Now You said you dont want discusssion. Well to bad this is a discussion board. You dont want discussion you are in the wrong place.

As to your whole attitude. Well it just plain sucks. You want things your way and only your way. Well wake up your not incharge, nor does the world revolve around you. It was actually because of people like you that i took a 3 month leave of absience from the forums. And now i am starting to regret even coming back to them.

Thank you for teaching me another valuable history lesson. History always repeats itself i might add.

I bid you all adue as this is a waste of my time.

- Lown


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sahahria
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00:52:39 Jul 10 2006
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I am re-opening this to reiterate some points of the forums, since it was re-opened last night after I logged off.

1. No one is being "mean" you stated quite plainly that,

"I kinda wanted this thread to be less about discussion and more about people saying "I think this" and leave it at that."

Which means that this has NO discussion value.

2. The only person here throwing tantrums is you. Others have directly disagreed with you and you have gone all EMO on them. I suggest you stop taking other people's opinions so seriously. You asked something, we answered. Just because we pointed out what we viewed as flaws in your logic does not mean that we are "attacking" you. We are trying to discuss what we see.

3. If your thread is closed by Administration, it is wise to leave it that way, as reopening it alerts people to childish behaviour. We are trying to do a thankless job here, making the forums an intelligent place for conversation and in some areas silly fun.

This does not mean that VR rules should be broken. To reopen and pout only points out that you are more concerned with hearing what you want, and not what is being said.

Do not reopen this thread again or it will be deleted, no warning.


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