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The other one died so I'm starting again, I love all the responses.

What does your religion say about what is good and what is evil? And if you are not religious, what are your ideals of good and evil?

Oh and to clear things up a bit, I'm more or less just curious about your beliefs on what is good and evil. However I think religion plays a part... somewhere down your ancestry line, the morals that separate good from evil had to come from a religion.

What we call good and evil is simply a balance in the universe. Is the idea of the "Devil" actually evil or a balance of Order. Kaos is no longer a theory, it is what holds the universe in check.
What we call good; is it really "good" per say.
Use the similtude of Star Wars if you will, but first understand where the idea originally came from.
Biblically speaking there was a war in the "Heavens", the forces of "Good" vs the forces of "Evil" or to say the forces of A nature that was a peaceful one against a nature that was disruptive.
In the first Star Wars film, the forces of "Good" wore a symbol upon their helmet, it is the same symbol/ icon used in the Old Islamic era of the 1800's when Gordoh Pasha was running amok in the Sudan. The Sudanese, who were the Muslim forces under Muhammad Ahmad AlMahdi, bore the same emblem, an upright spear and crescent, as their symbol of Jihad, or Holy war, and that's what was being fought in Star Wars, a Holy War of a sorts with it's story being a reflection of the war in the heavens as is written in the New Testament, where Michael and his angels fought the forces of the opposite nature, Michael & Melchesidek are one and the same individual, just read the scripture and you'll see it. Michael in the case of Star Wars was represented as Obi Won, yes he was killed in the movie...physically, but lived on in spirit form....not to get too off the subject.....
But what we call evil is simply a balance of it's opposite, what we call good.
Demons, devils things that go bump in the night are extensions of "evil" and are placed there as an alternative to good.

I know that Evil is an entity in some religions and those religions depending on there beliefs burn people, bleed people and even drowned people then revive them to cast out demons and evil entities!!

Hey Sand,

I was just wondering whats up with this thread? You doing a paper for School or something?

Oh no, negative. No paper. I'm just not a religious guy but I have strong morals that were emplaced by very religious parents... kinda that scripture, "Spare the rod, spoil the child" kinda thing.
I'm curious as to other people's ideals of what is good and evil.

Well...My religious beliefs have been of the Christianity but I have converted because they think that anything relating to the supernatural world is evil. Vampires, Witches, Magic, and what not is evil. But Magic can be good. Depending on what u use it for. Not all witches r bad. Not all vamps r evil either. What is evil is people critisizing u on ur beliefs.

there's no such thing as god and evil,its how you present yourself and people perceive you

I disagree Satanic. There has to be good and evil or else people would commit acts that are deemed evil by today's standards more freely. That being because evil is much easier to do then good.

Well I was raised in a Catholic surrounding from my dads side and a Baptist on my moms who also had a Wiccan line so pretty much there is good and bad on both sides that brings the balance in the universe but I say being good and doing good is easier and better for me .

I believe that their is good and their is evil, me personally i just do what i think is best for me, and i will not let a religion get in my way...

I don’t believe for one second good and evil have anything to do with religion.
Good and evil are perceptions and paradigms only.

As I said before...

Good and Evil are perceptions based upon an individual's unique point of view. A typically 'Evil' thing such as murder can be a 'Good' thing is cases where a person being attacked is forced to defend themselves, in cases where a rape victim who cannot... or does not wish to... raise the child resulting of such a disgusting thing, and so has an abortion...

Good and Evil are based on perceptions and circumstances.... religion simply gave them a bigger place in society at the time...

Using the fear of Hell to control the masses... So was the church "Good" as it proclaims... or "Evil" as most will agree control is?

Sorry nikolai didn’t read that .. we have the same view I feel.
Some see a mass murderer as evil … I just see a good soldier.
Some killers don’t even need to be in a army, just paid to fight a personal war.
Evil is pure perception

Indeed...

To one side of a war a soldier is a hero fighting for the good of his/her people... on the other her/she is evil

Personally I would say im seen as evil … I still have a heart and love, dark as it may be…. Might not be what most would see as love…. But what do they know lol

*smiles* Likewise... I'm in love with a fantastic woman and sadistically want to bleed her because I love her... funny huh?

It is my belief that people are intristically evil. You always have a choice to do the right thing or wrong thing. Regardless of upbringing, you as an individual make the choice to follow the path you are on. Many say they can't choose but they are wrong they can.

There is a fine balance of light and dark in the soul. These are what I consider to be good and evil. Some tip the balance to the light but then never experience their darker self, some tip the balance to the darker side and deny their light.

This balance is through all the universe, and you can walk the grey line between light and dark honouring both sides. Again its up to you to choose whether to do so or not.

Is this about good and evil or a moral out look.

There is an old Native American tale about each persons spirit has two wolf cubs in it. One good and one evil. The one that thrives is the one that is fed. Sorry for the lame paraphrasing. Point is in all of us.

Well, soldier boy......... I believe good and evil are perceptions based upon society's rules and moral codes. And because they're perceptions, they change for each person to a certain extent. For example, some people........here on VR too........ consider me, and what I do, to be evil. Which is their personal perception, often based on too little informtion. But it doesn't prevent the label and the judging. Good and evil are simply matters of personal view, mixed in with a person's upbringing. I don't believe you have to have had a religious upbringing to believe, and to have been brought up believing, certain acts are wrong or evil.

*smiles* And holds NOFERATUUK

And some consider those things very, very good

Good and evil is the simple balance of all things, Religion states that if a person does not conform to the ideas of the church they are evil or shunned. Yet to my knowledge is there really a true idea of these two spectrums. For the norm is consider evil or the opppisite of ones own beliefs. ways it feels like persecutiuon or even discrimination. Religion holds it own ideas of evil a concept that in some cases is totally oppisite of the others belief.killing would be evil, yet if you kill for the country, or for religion it is considered being true to the cause. it is killing. good and evil has many fasisates.

I think it is a good post..And evil comes in all People..Not one of us are innocent of doing something evil in our life one time or another..

I think that good and evil are perceptions of actions that we want or don't want to happen to our persons.

To kill is evil because we don't wish to die.

To have sex with someone we are not in a relationship with or to have sex with others when we are in a relationship is wrong because we don't wish to be cheated on.

To steal from others because we don't want our stuff taken from us.

And so on.

Evil is the name and face we put on things that we don't want to happen to us.

I don't think that good or evil has anything to do with religion...there are very religious people who do terrible things. There are nonreligious people who live ideal lives. Good and evil is a human concept and does not apply to nature. And what makes someone good/evil is different to each individual and is relative to the time period you live in. If you look at the horrors in any history book it is shocking to see the crime/punishment system that were in place in 100 years ago.

U have to have one to have the other. So u have to have good to have evil and vice versa. If we didn't then we would be off balance.

So many answers, so many perceptions.

I believe I read a question, "Is this about good and evil or a moral outlook?" or something to that extent. One can almost always tie your thoughts of good and evil to your moral outlook.

Now there was a conversation much earlier I wish I would have been able to take part in. Between Lavisbre and Nikolai.

Lavisbre says, "Some see a mass murderer as evil … I just see a good soldier." There is a huge difference between a mass murderer and a soldier. We do what we have to for the betterment of Mankind. Murderers do what they do for personal pleasure and gain. Hell most of the time, we take lives in self defense. And self defense and murder are different.

But is all boils down to how one sees us that are different..even though we think differently doesnt mean all we do is evil

Personaly, good and evil is all how one percieves it like everyone else has said. What one person thinks is evil could be good to another. The concept of good and evil is not even comprehendable by a child. WE as adults have passed on the concept of what is good and bad over the generations, most of which has been influenced by the religions.

To me no one religion is the true religion. we all worship the same thing. Just something out there to explain the goings on that happens to us.

I honestly think good and evil is based on morales in which we grow up in.

And it is evil when one treats another bad cause they were told too..is that right? how about using babies against others to get what they want..is that suppose to be good? no matter who or what we are doesnt make us evil

Good or Evil... IS about 'Intention'. There is no religion that is responsile for an Individuals... INTENTIONS!

Rvil is selfishness, good is godlyness. Selfishness benifits none, and godliness benifits none.

Otherwise there is no good or evil... things that cannopt choose are not subject to the misidentification of good or evil. (ie the buddist storey of the well.)

Things that can choose do percieve things as good and evil, but all paths lead to teh same end, some are longer and others are shorter. As well, some cause more pain... these painful paths can oftentimes be a short route to the end, but the pain can be intense... for all concerned.

in my mind evil is a point of vew what may be evil to you may not be to me and what i detest you may injoy

i agree with Minx but as a Satanist it is done sometimes on INTENTIONS..but i never harm innocent ones but when i am in the right, i will have the last laugh..and with no remorse so i guess that makes me evil

I believe all humans are born with a sence of what is good and evil right or wrong. But we choose to do right or wrong. At times influences play a roll in that decision.

But arent they the same thing? I mean when we do something that is plain wrong, doesnt have nothing to do with being religious..I was wronged and now he will get what he deserves..I will laugh and hold no remorse..guess that makes me evil now

I don't think there is a good oe evil until man makes it one or the other within himself

but it boils down to the same thing..even the so called good ones have evil inside so whats the difference?

That was a very good point sandman on soldiers. Soldiers from either army, are just the pawns in a bigger game, it is those in the goverment postions that put the soldiers where they want them.

I would also like to point out that soldiers don't always go around killing and destroying things. The media forgets about the schools, hospitals and homes they rebuild, the lives they save and the good work they do!

And that is exactly why I dont think the media should be allowed in war zones... but thats another topic for another time.

Dont get me wrong though, there are troops that have done evil. Its disheartening to think that it happens but it does.

Look at the Haditha killing. A squad of troops went through a town murdering indiscriminately.... that is pure evil in my book though. Who knows... maybe it WAS out of revenge, but revenge in that use is evil.

Playing a prank on someone because they got you... that's not necessarily evil. Its good fun.

But if I know someone that hurt a loved one of mine, they would pay 100 fold.

good and bad are just ideas that people made up it depends on the person to define what is good and bad

like i think eating baby cows is evil

but people still eat veal

Good and evil are wot each person see it as, as everyone has there own ideas on this matter. I don't believe in any religion but i do believe that if you do something evil ( like kill a child) it will come back to bite you on the ass or wot you did to that child should be done to yourself.

Good and Evil are words for what Society as a unified entity believes is Right and Wrong. Even so there are circumstances of "Necessary Evil" circumstances where doing the wrong thing is sometimes seen as right in the long run...

Agrees with Nikolai..But doesnt matter what others think of me, i am me and will do whatever to protect myself, friends and family..so if that makes me evil oh well

This may run slightly off topic... but how is killing animals evil? How is it even remotely close? Gotta eat.

I love all the answers so far. This has turned into quite the discussion/debate.

what is the point of this thread?

*smiles* We could ask what the point was in Jez's pointless statement about the point...


Killing animals is part of our basic survival, hence it would be more... Good... than Evil

To discuss good and evil.

Killing animals is a basic of survial but to kill a pet or some kind is evil,. Killin another human for the fun of it is evil ,. For protection is different .You have to look at things with all perspectives

agrees with all but doesnt one who says things which they know isnt true called evil? i mean evil comes in all ppl..so what does that matter?i am good but believe me i can be evil

For me I try to follow the ethnics of my religion, and of course my inner self. I believe most of know the difference between good and evil from childhood. It is inbreed within us, and I have found in my lifetime that the majority of people are good, and those that are really evil are in jail or wallowing in their own hell.

i agree but as my religion is to take or rather get what you want is called evil so you see us that believe differently is treated differently..

Which relegion is that WinterDarkMoon?

LHP also known as Satanism

Evil as most elementally defined and devoid of all religious trappings, is simply this:

Evil = Selfishness taken to its ultimate narcissistic extreme: the deliberate perpetration of harm to others for purely self-gratifying motivations. The greater the harm inflicted for purposes of such completely selfish gratification or illogically perceived "benefit," the greater the inherent evil of the act and that of the person perpetrating same.

This is the least "common denominator" of what constitutes "Evil" in whatever form imagined.

Wel said Upir, and of course good is the opposite and totally selfless.

But to a Satanist well as a matter of fact anyone does it also..Use any means to get what You want..what makes that so evil? and being good isnt what it is up to be..deceit is just as bad

Winter... you mean like, The end justify the means, kinda thing?

depends on the situation also..but something like..dont You see something You want really really bad and do whatever it takes to get it? i know i do and so does all the so called good ones

You know... I dont think I do that... I'm unsure of whether I would consider that good or evil.

You know, now that I think about it, I used to do that. I do consider that evil.

it could be anything at all..and i know ppl do it..i didnt mean to harm or kill anyone to get what you want but anyways

i'm not a religious person, but i have clear the difference between good and evil... i mean, don't do others what you wouldn't like to receive... you know? if someone is in need, try to help, things of common sense... of course, don't kill, don't steal and all those things you know are wrong, without needing to have them written somewhere... human beings know perfectly the difference... when you do something wrong, you feel it in your guts...

As defined by Satanism's maxim "Do as thou wilt..." and taken by Satanists to basically mean that, as expressed by winter here, whatever it takes to get what one wants is okay, is the very attitude that motivates all Evil and the sociopaths (psychopaths) that commit such.

In every case, the sociopath believes that whatever he/she wants supercedes all other considerations, that wanting alone makes right whatever is desired and whatever means it takes to get it. Simply attempting to amend such base selfishness with such good-sounding conditions as "...without doing harm" is not very reassuring when faced with the far-greater foundational philosophy already in place that whatever is desired makes the seeking of it right, by any means possible. Much harm can be easily justified when one's selfish desires are considered to be the predominating motivation.

Very scary slippery slope were all in Society to become as narcissistically motivated.

and i do help others so i must not be that bad..i mean shit everyone is guilty in some way of getting what they want in anyway

As regards the definition of "Good" made equally devoid of religious context, this can as easily be distilled down to its least "common denominator" as well.

Good = actions resulting from a philosophical foundation based upon the premise that Life has purpose and potentials to which we aspire that thus benefit both ourselves and others and that additionally do no harm and do not violate the just and legitimate rights and/or freedoms of anyone else.


Good does not have to be by definition "selfless" given that selfishness can be a wonderful motivator for achievement in life, for success, and for happiness therein. However, if such actions and ... more importantly the attitude and values behind such actions ... are primarily for purely selfish reasons that provide no benefit to anyone other than ourselves, then the actions taken are less honorable, less praiseworthy, and thus.... less good.

OK First off UpirLikhyj There is a large difference between a Sociopath and a Psychopath.

Now quite a few have said that evil revolves around intentions but there are many serial killers that have, in their warped opinions, very good intentions. Many feel that they are ridding the human race of very bad people.

So does this make them good??

No, there is not a "large difference" between the two terms. In fact, they are considered largely synonymous (e.g., en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy ).

As for the example of "serial killers" claiming to believe they are killing for "very good intentions," please name a single one that makes any rational sense. Obviously, mentally deranged persons can and do believe what they will (as also do many here, btw) with not a thought to Reason, Logic, or common sense... much less lifting a finger to find out the facts first before jumping to wild conclusions that support (here we go again) their own selfish desires. And when selfishness supercedes Reason, "Evil" to some degree will result... every time.

good and evil is easy to sort out if it feels wrong than it is wrong and if every thing is not sitting right with you than do what better befits the grater good

well couldnt a very good, well not good good but who helped others have an illness that triggered something and made that one do something bad? what would that be considered?

This is very much a perspective thing. If you believe that taking a life is wrong then killing would be evil.

But there are many other "evil" things other than just taking a life. What about stealing or lying or cheating?

true but that is part of life..and it is done by one sometimes in their life...but remember in xtians words, an eye for an eye, what is that?

If I remember correctly, the Bible says revenge is wrong. And I think that the "an eye for an eye" quote is used by people as a way to try to discredit the Bible. But I think there was something more in the text around that quote saying it is wrong to seek revenge...
Damn... gotta do some reading up.

i read it said an eye for an eye.. etc etc

Define Good then Define Evil,
Where we live is Evil
There is nothing good about it.
What we make of our lifes is our choice adn what we do or see is our choice

Our own persons make what is around u
If there was Good verses Evil Evil would win Look around each and every one of u , . Every one has evil in them and some kind of evil thought, But killing for protection is good
Killing for not and for fun is Evil,
Animals are our way of feeding that is not evil .

good needs evil to survive

Well...My religious beliefs have been of the Christianity but I have converted because they think that anything relating to the supernatural world is evil.

Lycanpyre -

Why do you think good needs evil? Can you offer us any examples of this?

Good and Evil live as one. Without Good there would be no Evil and without Evil there would be no Good. It is a balance of life.

Evil = Taking my Chips and not saving me any.

Good = Being Smart enough to run away LOL

Honestly, i'm not Religious, but I think Evil would be to Kill or take another Life, and Good is to follow a set of ethics. Perhaps I don't understand you're question, for if I don't Shoot me. :P

If you think about it no matter how "Good" we are, we're also a bit Evil.

And i agree..Also depends on the person also..i am good but i chose to follow Satanism which most call evil..Not all of us and for that matter are not perfect and as You said all of us have a lil evil and good inside

I dont think we're naturally either... we're like a blank canvas and our experiences, our environment all develop the set of individual beliefs we possess. One child brought up by church-goers might think it's evil to kill, whilst another with parents in say a military background realise to kill might be necessary to protect our own.

mildynwtg & lycanpyre -

You both argue that "Good" requires "Evil" and "Evil requires "Good." While you provide no argument in support of this position, I am happy to do so in support of the opposite view.

"Good" and "Evil," being polar opposites, do not at all require the other to exist. In fact, it is the presence of the one that diminishes the other, thus proving the point.

As with all opposites, put them together and both lose their defining characteristics! Combine light and dark, and you end up with neither. Combine black and white, and gray is the result. Combine bitter and sweet... and the resulting taste is neither bitter nor sweet. Combine cold and heat... and the result is lukewarm. Thus it is seen that the presence of two opposites together ensures that neither remain in existence.

This is particularly clear in mathematics. Take a negative number and add to it its positive opposite... and the resultant sum is always... zero. They both negate out. Thus, positive numbers do not require the presence of negative numbers but are, in fact, neutralized by their presence... and vice versa.

So also "Good" does not need "Evil" but is diminished by its presence. "Evil," likewise, does not need "Good" but is also diminished by the presence of it.

Whether in physics, in color, in taste, in mathematics... or morality... it is the same.

For those who disagree, please provide -- as have I -- a logical argument in support of your position.

Well if You wish an argument well i would be more than happy to make Your day..Doesnt think You would like the outcome and just because We do not use fancy words and terms as You doesnt mean We have anything wrong..so if You wish i am here..however and whoever You are

Evil can be defined in SO many different ways. I'm Catholic, so my religion is based on the 10 commandments and the 7 Deadly sins. If you have or are one of the 7 sins (Lust, Gluttony, Greed, Sloth, Wrath, Envy, and Pride) you will most likely and could possibely go to Hell. Hence, you are evil. But my views on being evil is if you do something to terminally screw someone over, kill someone, or even just cheat on someone, espeically your wife/husband.

Well, Good is not doing wrong things. I guess my religion would think VR is wrong but I dont believe it is wrong. I believe I am good.

well on the seven deadly sins thingie..i can name one who is suppose to be a Man of God but commits several of them..does that make it good and not a sin for him? i think not..goes for the bakers and such..greed, lust and gluttony so where is the difference?

i dont think there is any diffrence i mean a sin is a sin but that also depends on the interperatation of the particular sin and the expectation of all the people that who look up to the particular figure i mean for example if god had sex with 5 ppl than that would be clasified as a sin but if the devil did the same thing thats would be normal because people expect that kind of thing from him so as you can see expectations also play a role in the definition of good vs evil

and i no this has no relation to the person before me but im making this point aniwais

LOL

I HAVE SPENT a lot of time searching through the Bible for loopholes
--W.C. Fields

There is both dark and light (yin and yang) that coexists in all. Being all light or all dark is not balanced. Most people who think they are good are just deluding themselves and disreguarding the darked side of their psyche.

So it makes it right when a Man of God does the seven deadly sins but yet we do and look..evil..how is that justified? it isnt..And to me that doesnt make it right for us..Least we do not hide what we would as the do gooders..

I believe that we will continue to battle the "good" vs "evil" that reside in us. Now where those concepts come from I believe are environmental. We have role models, we have our churches, we have the law. I think we gather from observations what is or is not evil and good. Wonder what the cavemen thought regarding good and evil? Is it rational thinking that defines the perceptions of good and evil?

agrees..and in the bible that they dont tell is there was evil among them..but i am not evil until i am provoked..i am a satanist but doesnt mean i am right in everything, but hey it is a dog eat dog world so i go for what i want and need

I honestly dont think good exists without evil. If one didnt exist how would there be a way to compare the other?

agrees but what some call good is just as evil as what we call evil..but hey ppl has their own thoughts on everything..doesnt matter to me if one likes me or not..i have plenty who does..evil is as evil does..life goes on

Good and evil? It's all a matter of perspective. I think the only truly evil thing that one could do is to kill. No one has the right to take another life for pleasure. If you do it in order to survive...that's a different story. I think that people that rape children or beat children are horrible, but I don't know about evil. I mean, to me evil is something...inhuman. Good? Good is respecting others. Respect can cover a lot of ground. :)

I agree Theata , very well said and if one does things for evil just because they are in the wrog but that make it evil cause you want revenge and is in the right..dose that make one evil?

evil is define as the opposite of good..but what is good?

thats true..cause good can be used as evil also..look around at the world..

Well Im a SATANIST yet u still abide by nothing but in my personal belief is good and evil is what we choose to make it

But You are wrong..Satanists do abide by rules, least i do with my Master and my Church..But i do not do things unless i was wronged and yes i know all about karma..There is evil just as there is good in everyOne including Satanists..But that does not give Xtians the right to commit sin and nothing is said if they repent..What about us? Thats my question..Why is it always Ones different who does evil things?

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