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Akri
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Greetings...

Let's say that Werewolf's passing on Lycanthropy through their bites is a given... for the sake of this thread...

Would bitten werewolves be able to reproduce? and would their young inherit true lycanthropy? and would their young be able to inflict lycanthropy with a bite, having been born with it instead of infected?




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I have a question what is your deal about reproduction



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Akri
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*blinks* Survivability

I am a writer... a novice for sure, so I like to grasp the possibilities of survival in these creatures.



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I guess the newborn would inherit the abillity since it already became an integrated property of its parents, trough genetical mutation, but I believe that a child of such a union would be able to change after it has reached certain age period.



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Akri
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Hmmm but would the 'virus' not become stable in the child's blood?



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i still don't think it would be possible for a werewolf to reproduce so i have a hard time with the kid factor on this,but think over time the virus could possibly transmute the dna.



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Akri
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16:17:16 Feb 09 2008
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*blinks* Wow odd...

Why wouldnt living flesh be able to birth living flesh?



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Akri > As a writer of fiction you can make anything possible, that's the beauty of being creative.



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Akri
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16:19:49 Feb 09 2008
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*smiles* That I know... but creation needs to be explainable and believable to be accepted



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maybe their genes are missing something in the way to create another werewolf lol is why it is only passed through bite and saliva,but then agian anything can happen with a great imagination.



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Akri
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16:21:29 Feb 09 2008
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Then were'd the first one come from?



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BloodxXxOverDose
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16:24:16 Feb 09 2008
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thats what everyone would like to know,now that there would make an amazing book :P
iv'e always wondered who was the first what was thought to be the first on that



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Akri
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16:27:17 Feb 09 2008
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Ever read Sherrilyn Kenyon's Dark-Hunter Series... the background to Daimons (vamps) and her equivalent of werewolves is worth a read



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Oceanne
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Akri..you have heard of the Mule?While they can be produced by the breeding of a horse and a donkey,they are sterile..As with many hybrids..that is one explaination as to why a WW might not be able to produce.



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If WW is passed via saliva etc..then it lends to the factt hat it would be somekind of disease or pathogen.



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Akri
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16:31:22 Feb 09 2008
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Thanks Oceana



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Oceanne
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Just depends on where ones imagination wants to take it.



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Akri
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16:32:55 Feb 09 2008
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So where would this 'disease' 'virus' originate?



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Oceanne
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Who knows? Mexico and S.A have had stories of these things..hell dig it out of the dirt..a cave..you know.If you want it to be realistict as possible..look for diseases that mimic or produce the ww behavior etc..Sky's the limit!



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Akri
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16:37:21 Feb 09 2008
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I was actually asking in general, trouble



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Akri
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16:38:11 Feb 09 2008
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I never intented to mention my stories but Meska asked...



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Oceanne
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Not a thing wrong with a writer doin his homework...write on!



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BloodxXxOverDose
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maybe a scenario something like this...during the time of the black plague a wolf attacks a human with the sickness,that wolve having rabbies in turn makes the man go crazy,the guy goes on a wild rampage biting people and thus the first werewolf was creeated,*shakes head* now my imagination went running wild to lol



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Not bad BOD!



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But a werewolf is not exactly the offspring of a wolf and a human.
First one needs to look at the change, if it changes completely into a wolf, for example or into a semi-thing. Humans would be humans, when not changed, and should be fertile as usual.
Then, if the female is pregnant during a change into wolf, it would kill the embryo, as a wolf can not be pregnant with a human child. Or the other way, the embryo could be a werewolf as well, and share it's mother's metamorphosis.

This was never been explored enaugh to become canon in any form, so it would be completely up to the author. It would be an interesting subject, definately.



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Akri
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16:44:08 Feb 09 2008
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*smiles and whispers conspiratoraly*

People dont take fiction seriously



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Oceanne
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16:45:17 Feb 09 2008
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Ahh,you never know,you never know.;)



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Akri
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16:45:41 Feb 09 2008
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I would believe an unborn were would be protected... either shifting with the mother, or disabling the mother's ability to do so



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Ok,now you're gonna get into some hardcore science and biology..better do your homework on this idea..if you want it to hold water.



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Akri
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16:48:16 Feb 09 2008
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Homework *horried*



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BloodxXxOverDose
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16:48:45 Feb 09 2008
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now that,i could somewhat believe,in that the unborn got turned by the mother getting bitten,very good



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Akri
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16:50:36 Feb 09 2008
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Hmm... I only have one 'true' Werewolf in the story... an Ancient.

Perhaps the first were able to reproduce, where the halfling werewolves cant?



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Now then, you would be back to the question of what drives the metamorphosis in the first place, be it some form of virii or just the supernatural.

It could work both ways for all I care.



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Oceanne
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I agree CT.



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Fiction or none, if we are dealing with chromasomes, than it would be possible, that after a lycanthrope did have child, then yes...The child would have a 50% chance of carrying the pathogene. Like all hereditary genes, from blonde hair from the mother, or brown hair from the father. It really depends on which side of the family has the most apparent or strongest appearance. This also occures when baldness or cancer is in the mix.



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Akri
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16:56:26 Feb 09 2008
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Thank you Soulshroude



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If supernatural in origin, one could give it the same origin as most demons and monsters in myth these days. By that I mean Lilith's cursed children.
That being god's curse to her and her offspring, it should encompass THEIR offspring as well, and thus be hereditary.

That gives a different property to werewolven bites though. Damn. This is tricky.



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Akri
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17:00:20 Feb 09 2008
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Arent all things that are myth rooted in some truth?



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Oceanne
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YEP.:) My point though, is if a writer is going to go heavy on the "why and hows" ,sticking to the science end.. they have make sure they at least use something that is possible..



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Akri
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17:04:45 Feb 09 2008
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*smiles* Human turning into wolf - possible?



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Whispersinthewind
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Only in fantasy, and their heads.



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Hahah! you got me.
But you know what I mean silly.



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Rictus
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Arr, me thinks this be one cool idea matie...



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Akri
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17:10:34 Feb 09 2008
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I would think the idea of a wolf-creature taking human form and having to shift back at times more likely



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For plot's sake, it would be interesting if the genetic contribution from a werewolf parent were recessive, skipped generations, or appeared in offspring in varying forms depending on what other factors were present.

A child might show signs like early onset puberty, extraordinary hair growth, need its nails trimmed daily, or be in the habit of humping couch corners.



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Why would that be any different?

Besides, humans have an animal side, primal instincts and the sort. Wolves don't have any human side to them...



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Hey Akri,
Another author to look at would be Laurell K Hamilton as well



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Akri
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17:16:18 Feb 09 2008
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Sherri, Laurell, Kim Harison, Amanda Ashley, Kelley (*forgets last name* darn!)



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Kelly's last name is Armstrong



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17:20:40 Feb 09 2008
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And also look at Christine Feehan



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Akri
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17:23:03 Feb 09 2008
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*nods and smiles* I'm told hers are a poor substitute for Sherri's DH's

Also CT Adams and Cathy Clamp are interesting



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Wolves having a human side?

They are social animals, mate for life (doesn't seem to be a human characteristic, but we say love is important), are protective of their young, have a social strata, learn from their mistakes.



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Akri
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17:32:45 Feb 09 2008
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Wolves have more upstanding qualities than most humans



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There are no human aspects to that at all. That's all, obviously, instinct, or features that we share with animals, not the other way around.

You don't see a wolf let a deer go because it feels sorry for the deer, which would be a human sentiment, see?
It's important to separate emotions and instinct, especially in this case.



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Akri
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18:35:41 Feb 09 2008
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Maybe...

A human will kill another human, or an animal... for money, for land, for some war, for oil, for a million different reasons... but the wolf will only kill to feed, or to protect... which is the more humane by our own definition of our own word?



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Akri
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Thanks everyone for your posts.

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