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Alright... now, I've heard many "theorys" of a person that is 100% goth. I know there are many but I was just wondering everybody elses theory on what a goth truly is. I have a whirlpool of ideas i just wanna get it more clear.

I don't there is really a true goth in here, really.

You can claim to wear black till they make something darker, and you you can love the color blood red till your little heart's content.

-However-, there are so many different sides to the goth culture it would take ages to truly 'define' any and all of them. Just as ever single person is different, so is their definition of goth.

Goth can be the little ones who listen to H.I.M., tend to be cutters and think their life is a shame. Then in another aspect it can also be those who delight in the middle and dark ages, revel in Black Plague art, and smoke cloves. Once again it could even be those fascinated with the dark love of gargoyles-- such as myself-- writers of dark, mysterious poetry and know the only true thing about themselves is that they are what they are, and they cannot control it no matter what.

I thirst for blood as with all these family/social gatherings I've been to in the last few days, I've -all- the satisfication of my psyvamp side. I need blood-- the metallic taste of it from one source and one source alone to satisfy the last part of my body needing sustanance(sp).

There are too many ways to define goth-- be it the clothes you wear, what you write, or who you really are.

Hopefully that shed a little moonlight on the subject for you-- but then again, it's simply an opinion.

People all think they are tru goths in there own way..wearing black, loving blood could be something taken up by a preppy too...bein a tru goth i think comes from what you truely feel inside..depression, saddness, they could be trates of a goth but also of a left out preppy..so there isn't really a true goth but I think people come close in there own true ways..

I consider myself a gothic romantic.

Old buildings, the longing for love -- no so much the sadness and depression of death but the longing and anxiety of what is to be. That's more for those who need medication or those too young to really realize tragedy.

see, thats what I'm talking about, the arguement between them being depressed and sad of just longing for something. I don't know its always just confused me

Goths are not always brooding, evil and ready to die.

In fact, I've known quite a few clean cut individuals who've tried to commit themselves to death. It's pathetic, the 'oh woe is me' act is for people who just feel they don't belong.

It's infuriating.

The arguments on this subject is stupid..the goths are goths in different ways..i'm not for labels but i know what you guys are talkin about..i donno what kinda goth i am i just basiclly consider myself as me..and thats it

...a loner speaks.

If you were reading dear, you'd realize the maker of this thread was wanting to know what different kinds there were, etc. This isn't an argument, but an actual conversation.

If you think the non-argument is stupid, go back to being a loner.

Anyways, what other things were you not sure of, hun?

its not that I'm confused... its that theres just a whole lot of ideas out there and I was just wondering everybodys opinions on here because it would just seem like the right place to ask this kind of question

Well then, what are other aspects you were curious about? Perhaps if you voice them a bit more clearly more will answer.

I'm with Nara. I'm a traditional gothic romantic myself. I adore the chivalry of the ages, the everlasting love that could withstand centuries, the gothic architecture of old cathedrals and castles. I'm a child of the old, and love anything that is luxurious and of large grandeur. The idea of absolute pleasure and decadence.... living a poetic life full of beauty and grace.

yes the loner speaks and the loner will continue to speak not caring what you say at this point...i'm voicing my opinion and saying what i want to say..sorry its not pin point on subject...

If you dress like Marilyn manson that is true goth to me,I mean come on e's the apitimy of goth=)

Oh i forgot to also put that also think like Marilyn Manson,you know believe what he belives in which ih he believes thathe is his OWN GOD,ad so do I=)

A goth is an image not what you feel. Its the clothes and jewellry. You dont have to be depressed to be a goth. You can be depressed no matter how you dress. Im not a goth yet I love metal music and I write dark poetry. I dont label myself as a goth. Nor should anyone its the same as calling someone a geek, its a label. This is the way I see it.

I think it's the overall perceptions of goth dani, not just the clothes, etc.

I tend not to wear black all the time-- mostly I wear it for business casual and full-on business attire when I need to and when I feel like dressing up a bit.

Again, of like mine, hmm? ;)
It's the creeping excitement of being blood and body to another creature or spirit-- the essance of 'night witchcraft' and so forth.

On the other hand it's also that after dusk romance, candles and incense that sets the mood of a gothic gathering. Not to mention the much such as MS, or anything off of the Blue Mars internet radio station. For me, that's the gothic romantic.

This comes up over and over again. There is no textbook definition for goth so people try to create one.

I think I should mention there is a division between the vampire and gothic communities. While vamps usually have no problem with goths, many goths despise vamps.

Personally I'd put them all in the same category, as I don't think people need to be divided, separated, and categorized over and over again. Vamps tend to be to the more extreme end of the gothic spectrum and many goths don't like them because of that.

I agree with cancer ...... see I wouldnt call myself goth .. cuz all the hoopla of the "oh woe is me" and I'm not like that and I don't see myself as a vampire becuz I byte people or dress in dark clothing.
And as for Marlyn manson hmm lets see.. goth was around befor he came to play... he's still just a shock attraction in my eyes *shrugs* There isnt a meaning to being goth everyone finds there own meaning that suits them.

I'm starting to agree with dani, I barely wear black and I am definetly not depressed but I still write poetry that makes it seem like I am and i would definetly not label myself as a goth, but I know that some people would. Goths is just an image

I wear a lot of black, purely because its how I feel comfortable. I agree with the perspective that you cannot definegoth, but my onlyreassurance within myself is I am not goth, I am Debbie, and I know in my heart who I am and where I stand with my life and my image.

I dont think being a true 'goth' is an issue...we should just all be true.

I like Janette's logic behind the true goth. But as for what everyone else has said, isn't goth a state of mind more than anything else? Of what and how you believe? How you truely feel? Someone correct me if I'm wrong on this.

A true goth in my opinion is someone who is not trying to be. Someone who knows what they are and who they are and does not have to depend on what other people think they are. Basicaly if you think dressing in black, lapping up blood, and lisstening to cradle are crazy tthen thats your opinion, I know in my opinion those lil pass times are the best.

I am just wondering if you knew manson used to be Mormon?

ok i yes wear black i listen to my heavy metal and yes i smoke my marlboro red 100's yes i play my music loud but im being me i doing what i like if that makes me a goth then it makes me a goth but this is the crowed of people i feel comfortable being with.. if ur not fittign into the "normal" standers of socity ur a freak ur an outcast.

Ack-- the blue makes my eyes burn.

I agree with Cancer quite a bit.

...heheh. if liking blood being depressed and not fitting in makes one a "goth", then i wonder if that's the crack that Jeffrey Dahmer fits into? heheh. i couldn't resist. 8) but you know what i mean. i think "goth" is a state of mind.

Indeed - a goth lifestyle to me is more perception, and state of mind than anything, it is how we view the world. The attire and music just coenside with the lifestyle... it all depends on how we wish to portray ourselves. You don't neccesarily have to dress all in black to be considered "gothic"

i can define gothic in one word. DIFFERENT. it's the yearn to be different from the person sitting next to you. i once was told by a "baby goth" (the kind that stereotype themselves) that i wasn't "gothic" enough cos i didn't listen to a band she liked. i replied "i will dress in black just like you, and i will listen to the same music just like you, and i will act just like you and i will be different, just like you." she looked a little stupid after that but it's true. the definition of gothic is difference from main stream, not christanity's stereotypical view.

I have read many portfolio's, and everybody is different, weither you drink blood or dream under the stars in a cemetary, your exploring an art of living that could be categorized. Basically if your on this site you have some attraction to the darker side. So weither it be tuesday nights or a calling in your life, lifestyle or comfort level fuck what the people say have fun and love your life. People need to realize that were blessed with a curiosity( I know i cant spell) of a mysterious part of living. HAVE FUN!!!!be dark.

Hmmmm well i think it's all to do with what you believe in, if you believe you are a true goth then to yourself at least you are a true goth... ^_^

To answer Raynes comment... Brianne Warner was not a Mormon. He was raise Catholic in the suburbs of Ohio untill moved to Florida due to fathers job.

Holy fuck-a-moly... BRIAN warner.

roflmao

OMG K.....Now that was fuckin hilarious... Though most wouldn't understand why. tee hee hee..........=)

Now we know why Marilyn likes to gender bend Khay lol hahaha

rofl rofl rofl rofl rofl

...one of my best friends used to hang out with Brian before he ever started a band! is so funny to hear about how he was before he became "famous"! (my friend says he was a real wanker back then - weren't we all? heheheh i tjink he's just jealous! :P)

Oopsie, Khay. LOL