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Both are traditional talents, that require showman ship, and a glib tongue,
A tradition that appeared in french parlors(the séance).

Skillful tricks to spook friends, the use of a third impartial party, the medium stirred the sociogeist for example young students in collage,

Hypnotism stage hypnotism or mesmerism worked on the same princaple.

A skilled person can tell when someone is using the craft.

So the question is with so many examples of people that bill themselves
As performers, why do spiritualist continue to demonstrate the same level of accuracy?

Why insist that the source is some mystic "energy" or dead people,
Is it not enough for someone to admire a talent for showman ship?

As a believer do you take note of missed phish lines?

Can you spot a bad medium?

I will put a small poll in here to, would you rather go out as a group to a mentalist show, with a chance for one in the group to be in the act, or would you opt for a solo spiritualist retreat?

Currently Lav Has turned me onto Sally Morgan, if she dropped the pretense she would still be a great performers, her narrative embedding is thin. She does the "I startled myself" routine.

dabbler I think alot of it is for show, entertainment purpose to say, yet i do think that there are a few that have a uniquie gift and insight to say.
I have tried hpynotism and been to several acts, some people claim that they did go under and never remember the acts they perform, yet some to me are stage acts in a theater. whether its prompted or rehearsed. maybe power of suggestion.
spiritalist on the other hand need no gimmicks or tricks usually they are in it for themselves, self enlightnment. but there are afew that will take advantage of the lesser people as they feel the ones that will believe the words that they have said.

So what is stopping these "spiritualist" from simply sitting someone down, and asking them straight out.. who is it that died?

Then Guide the person in recalling some token moments.. why all the damn trivial crap?

Entertainment ?! Excuse me But entertaining people in proxy to Deceased people?

Well then would you mind playing monopoly with your fathers retirement money, how about gambling with inheiratence?

Call it what it is, and get these hacks off the fad, before damage is done. Look at the Sylvia Browne case, she hides behind religious blah blah, but she claims she is not religious based.. Blah, Blah BULLSHIT GET IT BULLSHIT.. The Morons that hem and Haw.. "Anything is Pooosible." Need to be crushed emotionally after the death of a loved one by one of this unethical chump mills.

And screw you for being so selective about what questions, and post you answer.. it tells so much about your lack of actual confidence, belief Oh you have that.. But confidence, you will never have.. why? Because they deny you that those hacks are skilled in dumbing you down, to accept trivia, notice this, you are a minority.. there are people who beleive in spirits that are restained enough to
avoid accepting the claims of people that say they can talk to the dead, you morbidly ignorant children, what did campfire storeies stop astonishing you? Sensationalism, is robbing you of so much..

Realistically I never expected any reply from believers to this, Why.. ? Because they are all direct questions and people who believe in spiritualism, are very ignorant when it comes to answering direct questions.

Just close it.

What is odd is that even in Mock anger this thread is not getting one word of, "You are attacking use for our beliefs."

Any thing that is reasoned, or offered as opinion is an "attack as well"

I know I must have made a point, because their is no .. Blah Blah,

So much to say, so many rhetorical replies, where are they now?

Where is the Blah Blah?

The trivial nature of those who claim spirits of dead people to be their source is sicking. How can they hope to help grieving people with such Pap diolgue?

Stage hypnotism, shows us how a small group can be pre arranged to convince an entire audience that they are unihibited, with a third party separation from responsibility for ones action, it is the stage magicians talent to assign roles to the person likely to perform that role.

Notice how if a person just outright told a person something they needed to consider that that person would likely reply, "Mind yer' Biz" yet a person told the same thing they need to consider "from beyond" will nod and bless the "messanger".

I thought the link on the other post I made showed a contrast from fakers to pros?

Personally what they do and the manner they do it in is all part of the gift my friend…..

That has nothing to do with any Dead souls, or ethearal source. Dropping the pretense is very important, the ethics of telling a person that their deceased loved one is talking to them is corrupt, and wrong. Consider the questions I ask.

Personally, I enjoy pushing the envelope for many reasons. The first, and most important, is that you're never quite sure who is putting on who, which is what makes life entertaining. The second, is that if you wind up being wrong, you have room to learn, and room for improvement.

The final reason is what most would consider blasphemous: Suppose we're wrong and there is nothing? At least we had fun trying.

Those that invest so muchinto such things are victims of their own wishful thinking, like a person that never communicated with a family member, all of asudden a spirtit talking person puts an act on (that usually flatters the neglegent family member" I have seen people walk away from spiritualist and say" bullshit my mother in law hated me, that morons reading stank."

600 dollar sessions.. Think about that, 1000 dollar retreats, readings by additional fee. Those that get"free" readings are for promo purposes, used for hot readings. Now about that question you lee avoiding.. The one you answered, crappy.. LOL to.. How do you address people victimized by proclaimed spiritualist?

just realized I pasted the same video twice insteed of my second.. How'de Da' Do-ed' Dat' video

I am hundred percent agree with Honorable Cadrewolf

but there are few hypnotist who dont go for stage show of hypnotizm and go on improving their realm of hypnotizm coz in long erm hyppnotist's exercises result into more bigger achievements...

they only involve in distant hypnotizm to heal persons.

and on the other hand spiritualist do get help from entities and sphere instead of conscious as hypnotizm is play of conscious only...

the spiritualist are of two types one good side saint and other dark side ghore tantriks who uses dark powers instead of divine powers to help self...

demonlovesyou very well said.

dabbler we know that alot of I shall say "fakes" are out there giving the people that seem to have an ability a bad name. yet in all walks of society we see this from cloths and shoe manufacters and jewelry, if a dollar is to be had than they find ways of getting it.

if we look at in a spiritual way it is for closure on our selves and enlightment to realms we have yet to discover.

you make vailed points as always Dabbler and i sit and ponder the thoughts you have proved.
so like isaid there are those who are after monatary value and not the spiritual side of it. many cultures pratice these and they do it for their own enlightment.

I dont know Dab.I dont watch that kindof stuff and truthfully,Im not interested in anyone who would get onto a stage and perform things of that nature.So whatever their motives behind it,will remain their own,and whatever the motives of those who flock? Will remain their own too as far as Im concerned.
Entertainment? Fine.If they get something out of it? Thats fine too.

i think it is great, something above nature, something that has no law, just happens, and can be rather good fun … that’s all you should take it as lol

She claims to connect with dead people, she wants people to believe, and place their trust in her, all she gives them is trivial Pap.. what is entertainment have to do with that?

Ethics anybody?



Have you all completely gone to lunch on the morals of such things?

Do the math.

An entertaining Mentalist makes 15 to 25 dollars a person for readings.

Star Psychics.. they make 300 + a phone call.

Pretense, and anything done under it is a crime.

Explain why people that are required by law to put a disclaimer that states "For Entertainment Only" are Handling cases of grieving people?

Please consider answering a few of the questions I asked.

Think Critically, it only hurts for a minute.

so these skeptics in mentalist what about the physics that help cops locate people dead or not. are they considered entertainment only. there are cases that validate these reporting of physics help . for it is said those who have such ability would not flaunt or tell someone for they do not want to be under a microscope. abilityies of the mind strong senses of hearing and smell. yet they don't flaunt them. so society the ones that flaunt these illusions are trickesters to say for entertainment. much like pro wrestling entertainment purposes yes. but i am one who believs that there are those with ability out there, staying out of the public views of freaks and mutants to say...

It is an abilitie, it has nothing to do with connecting with dead spirits.

ablitiy of feelings, i understand the staement of connecting with the dead, but vibes or thoughts of the mind of another person would these abilities come from...my question dabbler to you?

It is a craft using cues and assumtion presented, and narrated to allude to
knowledge.. It is all based on pretense, it is not just one thing it is a combanation of practices hot reading, cold reading, shills, even garbage foraging, and private investigators are imployed, and sorry not a single detective has every given credit to any socalled psychic dick the only one that did.. Was fired for sleeping with her and leaking case info.

very well put dabbler, thank you a link to back your claim up

http://www.csicop.org/specialarticles/police-psychics.html

If a person went to a shrink, and the shrink started presenting trivial gossip regarding the client how long would youthink it would take a malpractice suit to land against the shrink, if spiritualist insist they do a service to grieving peolple then those people need a considerable amount of accountability from siritualist who blunder like Sylvia, carr, pragg,

The routine of spotlighting the Stars until they flicker then throwing them under the bus and moving on with a glib, oh well not all of those who claim to conect dead peole with living peole are like that.. Is an insult to any person with common sense a person that cares about people would be outraged by such flipant "you just never know" bullshit!

society has always looked for the answers of the unknown, whether religion based or supernateral, and we as society want to believe in something that may or may not exist. for if we did not believe than all that we have thought to believ in would no longer exist in our minds and the generations to follow. religion would in fact crumble. area 51 would be a baseball field in the desert and the the hypnotists and menalists would move to flipping burgers.

we need as individuals to beliebve in our own theories of what may be eal and condone them to be fact. for if not dremas and thinkers to be real we would still have a concrete wheel to help us get around.

I accept that an alien life form can exist. I catch myself pondering such things, imagination interfaces, we have sci go because of that same ability,

Am I acceptant of some claim that aliens are here? No nothing Is presented to make a compeling case to that concept, do people belive aliens are here, oh yes they do, are they convinced though, and exactly which presentation do they subscibe to?

but history which in fact holds the truth would suggest somone with great knowledge was here(alein) for the pyrmids and other inventions at times when earth and humans were to say not so knowledge able.

so we deem that such could happen and if the perception is to follow our thought than ufo's mentalists and hypnotiss could infact hold some truth. coming from you dabbler on the alein factor. if not we see the x_files and the cases it presents on tv and we wonder if such cases do exist.

theory without reason or explaination, for if not without theory than einsteins theory would hold unplasible for it has never been tested..

The fact that aliens became popular after the release of a work of fiction is very telling to the history of alien "interaction"

There has been unexplained discoveries for many years.... these have nothing to do with the publication of "a work of fiction". Scientific speculation does not mean something is "alien".

Leo

one thought.....what does spiritual advisors, have to do with hypnotism, one is a function of the human mind while in certain levels of sleeplike state, scientifically proven to work mind you, and the other is stageshow garbage, using nothing more than good guesses, and plants placed within the crowd

It's because of the fakes and phonies, most of us who can truly talk to the departed, don't come forward and plus it really doesn't work like that, they come to you on by their own will, you can't summon them. I f they have a message they will drive you up the wall until you give it to the intended person. some spirits go as far as giving you nightmares until you pay attention to them. I am a sensitive, I don't offer my services to no one. If I do get a spirit that is hell bent on getting what it wants will get just that from me.

I hate all the parlor tricks and crap that has put us true sensitives in a dark light, and for those who do this they should be drawn and quartered. They are hurting so many and for what, to line their pockets! It's unfair to the spirits and unfair to us that have to share real info with someone who's loved one who has passed comes to us!

See the Social, or Grief Moderation should be first and fore most.

Wouldn't it be less looming for a person to sit with someone that doesn't claim to speak directly to the deceased? What about just sitting down, and asking who died? What are your plans to remember them.

What Separates your routine from a cold/hot reading?

What is the line that a spiritualist crosses?

That's simply just it there is no routine, it happens when it happens. I never know when, where, or how it will go. I get the message and pass it on, no charge. I want nothing for this it took me a long time to come to terms with this gift even though I don't view it as one. I'd wouldn't give it up, but they are sometimes I wish I could actually be in control over it.

The ethics of pretense is a key element. M.Lemar Keene addresses it as, eyes open, or eyes shut. The Star Psychocs flare and fade.. Why? When it all becomes an obvious guessing game?

Fragment messages help grieving people how?

I have seen proper grief counseling work, I know people who go to counseling as a result of being victimized by spiritualist.

Where is the line?

For me the line is drawn at hurting people, I can not in good conscious hurt someone, if the message I get will tear that person apart I do have the choice to deny giving the person the message. Also those with fragile emotional states, are easy prey for those have have malicious intent.

I DO NOT EVER give someone a message if I myself feel that it will crush that person, unless it has to do with a child i can't bare to see a child linger here such a pure spirit deserves better it always upsets the parents when I have to give them a message from the child or teen who is still here, we as parents all want to believe our child has passed on to a better place but sometimes it's not the case.

So I do have double standards when it comes to giving out the messages, some ask how I view a message from a child more important than one from an adult soul, simply this most message from children are sent to settle their parents fears so the parent will let go and get on with their lives.