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I think about all the people I've loved, now long gone.I think about my beautiful Jan, and how I lost her so many years
ago. I think about all of us walking our own Green Mile, each in our own time. But one thought, more than any other, keeps me awake most nights......if he could make a mouse live so long, how much longer do I have? He looks over at the nightstand...We each owe a death, there are no exceptions, but sometimes, oh God, the Green Mile is so long...

I'll die eventually, I imagine. I have no illusions of immortality. But I will have wished for death long before death finds me.

This is from the Green Mile....think about this before you wish, dream or pray for immortality...before you wish to become a Vampire...it's not as glamourous as you may think.

that is a really good movie, and that does make alot about things.

Great movie

Marius, ever considered taking up professionl writing as a way of income??

Yes I have...but then I get bored to easy...I don't know something maybe for me to look into again

Oh come now, watching everything and everyone you ever loved die would be no big deal.... ;P

Well done Marius. Too many people think lightly of immortality.

Immortality would be quite impossible for me and I think what you have said on this topic is quite true, thanks for making such a good forum post, I'm gonna watch this thread and see what everyone else has to say on this topic.

Awsome movie. And yes, it really gives you something to think about...Imortality? Never. To see all my loved ones perish, as I go on..What a punishment.

Exactly...a Punishment....Nicely said

I know this is going to make me look like a really big optimist....but bear with me...

If at any point in my life I find myself trapped in any situation, I dont think of it as a punishment or suffering....

I think it as a mathmatical problem that has a solution. Whether it be a simple conclusion, or an extensive trial....

In any case one has to factor in the entire dilemma...measure all components..and produce possible conclusions that will equal out the weight of the inital situations....

such as immortality....

Yes living forever does suck at watching things come to life, grow, and then die. While you get to be just a witness, and knowing if you become attached it could haunt you with utter misery....

although....

Never having to miss one damn thing go by, selfishly getting to keep what was given and never give it back...to ponder each day/night given and roll around in it saying.."its good to be me" or even rubbing it in to those that would worship you, but you taunt them with your gift does sound incredible...

solutions: to not choose eternity (if in fact you actually had that choice)

...or make a game out of it...detach yourself from all compassion, and play time and people as though it were a challenge....

Immortality is a long fuckin time...I would definitely have to entertain myself somehow....

its just a matter of how far one is willing to brave it....

lol true

I agree with Vaasco, I've watch so many Die around me and in my arms in my short time here. I'd embrace Imortality. Guess I'm a sadistic little F@#$ :P Enjoy Everything you experence. It may be the last. Just remember What doesn't Kill you Makes you Stronger. Or in some cases What kills you makes the one's around you stronger. :)
Alek

Really?...Have you ever had to see a friend die from aids? Have you ever found out that the person you were just talking to was dead from an overdose? Have you ever had to endure the passing of a relative due to suicide?...I wonder what the mathmatical result of that can be. Where's the beauty of it?

Have you ever had Your Father Blow his bains out and you had to clean up the driveway with a shovel, Of had a girl friend die in your arm after she was hit walking across the street to you. Or Had a teacher/Metor Die infront of you From AIDS, Of have to pull your Grandmother off of lifesupport Because She Went out on the back porch and shot herself in the head. Tell me do you want to walk in my shoes. I have years more of it.

Alek

Sadly, I shall face the same problems.
I will only live for at least 184 years more.

My pojnt exactly. If it made you stronger, good, and I'm really sorry that you had to go through it. I'm not competing for "who has the worst life story" just wanted to point out why I woulden't embrace immortality. It diden't made me stronger. Just more sad.

I lost Sadness along time ago, sorry for my outburst. No time for it. Just live the life you are delt if it's imortality then embrace it, don't morn the dead, cause they are alway with you..

Alek

Sweety...I watch people die everyday...I watch them grow decrepited...I watch them drown in their own fluids..I even watch them shrival up to nothing but a skeleton....and after their death...

Its also my job to make them human again and somewhat presentable...

So yes...death is a relieve and a horror....Id rather live forever.

ok, I see your point. To me would be a little more than I can handle, and yes, I know they're around. It's just that immortality is something that I can't consieve for me. I'll handle life as long as I have too, that's not a problem, but to handle the death of the ones I love, is something I'll never get used to.

I want to and Will If it kills me (lol) live forever Because, Just think of all the new people you can meet. Just yesterday I was telling a friend at VC I was bored. Look at all the interesting people here, Changing their spots and Vaasco get out of my head.

Alek

I cant help it...my head is full of other people..so i had to move in...

lol I don't mind getting used to it there. Becarefull you might not leave.

Alek

*paws at the inner skull*..hey now...no mind blocking to close me in...

You just might like the Darkness here. Let me know if your scared of the dark.. ;)

this thread is a wave of depression. anyways the green mile is a great movie. very sad at the end

I greatly favor the dark

lol Depression is an emotion like sadness I don't have time for it..

Alek

yeah, Cannibalboy might have a point. Why don't we talk about the good things that immortality could bring, like the imense amount of knowledge, for instance.

The new loves and people you can met, Technologies, The past, present, and future melded into one being. MMmmmm Ok, Vaasco that's enough.. Revenge is one thing but that's another.

Alek

All the things you can accomplish before you get bored from it all.

i cant help it but i still would love to be immortal.
you say it sucks to see so many people go? well, true, but when you love it happens so many times that you lose the one you love so what would be the difference between losing 20 people or 2000 people?

Immortality could have great possibilities. There would be so many things that you would be able to see and accomplish first hand. But in reference to watching loved ones die, we do that already being mortal. We are able to deal with it and I feel like that it would be the same either way, mortal or immortal. Pain is pain no matter who or what you are. IT is how we deal with it that makes a difference.

Immortality...hmm. Yes, Immortality would be both a blessing and a curse. Not many people cope with death very well - actually, I, then my mother I'd say are the best that I personally know, when it comes to dealing with death. I would like to like to become immortal, if only in a sense, so I ould see the way the world will progress. I think it would be a very interesting and educational affair. It'd be interesting to see what this world will be like from now, since there are so many unanswered questions now.

Of course, with one answer to a question, more questions appear. But if you're immortal, or simply live for a long time without aging, and are careful enough not to get killed, theres always time to find the answers to the other questions, and time to answer the ones that pop-up after that.

~Angela Noir

Yeah I agree with lordvampirio,after all we lose people all the time so what's the difference?

Anyway I would love to be immortal.I would like to see the world changing.And being young forever is a big plus!

To me immortality would be the two-edged sword. I am very, very tired and merely wish to complete this life's tasks and move to the next, and the next, and get this job done.

I have very few family members, and havent kept a friend longer than 6yrs in my life, so not much worry about having to grieve over people. The chance to learn anything would be worth the price.

I have to admit, I would miss loved ones.

to know that our life will end gives life a lot of emotions. it gives us the opportunity to live every single day like the last one because.. HEY it could be the last one. We waste a lot of time in useless things sometimes, then we crave for more time. Why not enjoying the time we have, and learn things as a mortal. More time doesn't mean more knowledge... Knowledge can't be measure by the amount of time spent alive. We can spend 1,000 years doing absolutely nothing, and we can learn so many things in just a couple of minutes. If it is knowledge what we are seeking, we should start to learn from life itself. Seek it in every breath we take, in every experience we have. That's where knowledge is.

I never knew you could write so extremely well, Marius. Well done good sir, well done.

Yes, "The Green Mile" is a very good movie. It makes people use what brains they have, if not gain some as well. Immortality can be a bit over whelming, or so I presume. It is something no one should wish for, pray for, beg for, let alone want to begin with.

Green mile was very good indeed...And the last part was the best..Just a little bit before the part you just Displayed

To see your friends whither away, and yet never age...is indeed very painful.

To immortal exist, the truest of damnation,
A world passing, and time to never stop and bow at your door, an insanity for sure... First the madness overtake, then the stillness, the cold eyes that no longer wander... To never change, a boundry not a freedom immortals kiss...
so i would imagine...

Yes Green Mile was a good film and that quote you posted Marius does pose some serious thoughts on the pros and cons of Immortality but for the pain felt of losing loved ones i think Highlander(the first one) showed that kinda sadness of an Immortal Soul better...

Poor mouse, that's all I thought when I watched the movie[not really, but you know, it was a great film]. Immortality, pain for eternity.

"Speak to a man when he's 95 and he'll tell you that he wouldn't mind to live another day, speak to girl of two and she'll tell you I want to see tomorrow."

You see people you love pass on and others you hate you'd wish would take their place.

Given a choice, immortality would be something I'd take. I know what's beyond life for me and it's not something to look foward too. Eh, I'm strange, that's what I think about this. Good topic.

Here are lyrics from a Queen song called Who wants to live forever. Take a read....


There's no time for us
There's no place for us
What is this thing that builds our dreams yet slips away
from us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever....?

There's no chance for us
It's all decided for us
This world has only one sweet moment set aside for us

Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?

Who dares to love forever?
When love must die

But touch my tears with your lips
Touch my world with your fingertips
And we can have forever
And we can love forever
Forever is our today
Who wants to live forever
Who wants to live forever?
Forever is our today

Who waits forever anyway?

Very beautiful, DarkAdmin

Your welcome but I did not right it just listen to it. I felt it fit the topic and has meaning.

Fisrt I must say that yes The Green Mile was a wonderful movie.

Now to the imortality part...

PerfectlyDamned said "You see people you love pass on and others you hate you'd wish would take their place." So why wouldn't you want to live forever, just to see those who actualy deserve it, die? Its always "the good die young" but the old bitter bitchy shriveled hags are the ones who survive... what kind of crap is that?

Besides think of all you could do as an imortal... with all that time, i'm sure one of us could find a way to permenantly blot out the sun! hehehe

but really who wouldnt want to have knowledge of all things? or find out just what is going to happen to the planet? will all the prophecy's come to pass?

yes losing loved ones would be bothersome but as mentioned before we deal with that pain as mortals.

so here lies it:
knowledge, being young for always, no disease, ect.

or

death, disease, hurt and pain, wrinkles, liverspots, stretch marks, grey hair, saggy ass cheeks, and so on....

i think i'll take my chances with imortality thanks

One of my favourite films.

I dont believe that vampirism makes you immortal, and Im definately not immortal, although youth often creates that sort of perspective on me ;-)

Ive often discussed this, and how I think that immortality is a curse in diguise, but like many htings, people will always desire it.

good thread. i would have to aggree with Alilyanna and Tears on this subject. immortality is a punishment

Not necessarily a punishment unless you wanted it to be. We deal with pain of loss everyday and we make it. It hurts, but the pain lessens everyday.

But to be immortal would be to see the world change. Whether for the good or bad.

Immortality in my soul doesnt exist....Hasnt for a long time....Immortality can be good for some and bad for others cause power can consume you...and you will become evil

*claps marius on the back* well said immortality however is the extention of life as in the GREEN MILE is not a mile long but more a revolution that views no end... yet the end is just not in sight; so saying the GREEN MILE might spiral repetitively down or up for a lengthier ammount of time till it comes to its destinated end... human minds are frail and fall victim to such idolism as immortality being LIFE AFTER DEATH... yet isnt death just the beginning?

one more thing vaasco... your on the ball well said

Most are mentioning the loved ones but what if you don't care about anything? Understand that I am not trying to sound cheesy...

Yes death is a new begining, to what ? No-one knows...and I look forward tot he next chapter in my life....

I live day by day each day is a new chapter for me

imortality is selfish in a way and seeing all your loved ones die is the punishment you get for it, i take every day for what it is and eventually my time will come, as scary as it seems, but thats life!

I see nothing glamorous about immortality. All I see is a tool--a tool to learn and to observe. Sure, living forever sounds great to most people, but they never really give any thought as to what they would do with it. Then, those who equally have not thought it through, start coming up with: "Oh, I'll see my loved ones die." The point is mortality's very point is to cease to be. Death is always our constant companion from the moment you are conceived into reality until the very day it grabs you by the throat.

Now, unlike the rant that I have gone through above, I do not believe that immorality is always going to be superb, but I don't think of it as a magical, fairy tale, everything's going to be alright state of being. I will still have problems, but at least I would be able to continue my studies into oblivion. Which brings me to this last point: If all learning ceased or there was nothing to ever learn, then immortality wouldn't look so great to me.

what is wrong with immortality when you have no one who loves you...and no one you love...after a while you learn to ignore such emotions

it will be interesting if anyone can give me a good answer....

On the bright side, if one were so inclined, one could make great contributions to the human race. One could pursue advancements in the medical arts or other scientific arenas. Then, of course, the arts enrich our lives. I could paint forever. I have a lot of ideas right now that I will never be able to see come to fruition - there simply isn't enough time. But I have to be honest, I wouldn't want to live forever unless I could spend the time with a mate who also was long-lived.

Immortality is just a means to an end. If seen otherwise, it could be seen as unwanted. *just thinking out loud I'm afraid*

HA HA HAHA HAHAHAHA Immortality, such thoughts are trifle and weak. No such creature has lived forever nor ever will not in flesh and bones. The only immortality that i know of is in the love and memeory of those left behind, and the fear of those who conqured. I may be wrong and there is one who has seen the passage of time and it slips away, slowly seconed by seconed, till the very existince of time itself stops being and it becomes a blur. Perhaps i may be the next, for belieiving nothing is eternal. I don't know but could you put up with that insanity knowing that nothing will end for you and soon you will be found out and studied. I think not. May no one be given that curse.

From what I see it ,no matter how long it is, Life is Pain, common knowledge...

EmeraldSwan has a point... if you where of the right frame of mind to really dedicae yourself to such a cause, then it could be beneficial.

However, illusions of immortality are surely a bit childish in this community?

*Jumps up and claps for echo!
*You go girl!

:-) Thanks for eing my cheerleader (ooh I can imagine you with blonde pigtails!)

If anyone as ever read Shakespeares sonnets, then you may notice the themes of immortality thorugh memory, and thorugh havig children... I recommend a read to anyone... but thats the only immoirtality you will get.

(Oh, and 'The Arundel Tomb' By Philip Larkin.)

Wow...Blonde pigtails...hmm

Very true about his sonnets. LOL Pigtails...though thats kind of a scary thought.

Sonnet XIX

"Devouring time, blunt thou the lions paws,
Adn make the Earth devour her own sweet brood,
Pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tigers jaws,
And burn the Lon-liv'd phoenix in her blood,
Make glad and sorry seasons as thou fleets,
Adn do what'er thou wilt, swift-footed Time,
To te wide World, and al her fading sweets,
But I forbid thee one most heinous crime:
O! Carve not with thine hours my loves fair brow,
Nor draw no lines there with thine antique pen,
Him in thy course untainted do allow,
For beauties pattern to succeeding men,

Yet do thy worst, Old Time, despite thy wrong,
My love shall in my verse ever live young.

yes it is a very good movie and yes death will come for us all in time but how much time and how much pain....we are all to seek it on our own...

nothing lives forever...but the soul

I don't wish this on anyone but is part of life and we have to live and understand

what a passage Marius *applauds*

I did very much enjoy that film. It was an insight into general life me thinks.

Very much is life about finding the right path to follow so one can figure out what they are here for.

If we walked "the green mile" for eternity how would we ever find peace?

I like peace. Keeps me asleep at night... ;)

Thanks for your words Marius. Made me think now (it hurtsssss) :P

i think i will live not as long as the mouse in the green mile...
i hope i will never be immortal....

to watch the ones you love disappear like nothing ever knew them is a pain not worth feeling. for late was the hour that i tried to care about the ones i loved and now there gone and i stand alone.

immortality could be daunting, if you had many family members that would be left behind to the reaper. but if you were suronded by other immortals, it might not be so bad

to be immortal would be okay if u were able to make ppl u wanted to live the life with u

i hated that movie

We weren't saying that immortal life exists but IF existed.

But other immortality exists.They can be dreams,they can be memories,souls it all depends on what you believe and if you want to keep those certain things immortal,they will remain!

Well deathnitegirl, I was tyring to illustrate just such a point int he Shaespeare sonnet that nobody read :-)

I've read it,but didn't understand some words so I tought I better not comment on it,cause am afraid I might misunderstood it.

you know i lived on this damn planet for to long and, in my past life all i did was kill and, destory there was no love in my life there were no feelings nothing was there. i think if i was supposed to love it woud have happen by now but my line of work dose not allowe me to do that i think its a good thing.

very thought provoking

thats great but the thing is it's only soul that is forever living and all you do is reamber all of your past lives.