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I was reading something about the Chaldeon method of the planetary hours, and how the seven celestial bodies govern and rule the seven days of the week. The planetary hour can varie depending on the time of the year, because the length of day is divided into 12 parts and the night is divided into 12 parts. This system was used well before the invention of clocks, and in our society when the hand goes past midnight that is a new day, and we always use 60 minutes to a hour no matter what time of year.

They would start a new day from when the sun rises, and until it rises again the next day, and the first planetary hour would govern that day, for example if Mercury was the first plantary hour of the day, it would rule over Wednesday. The Babalonians used the chaldeon method, and the minutes of the planetary hours constantly varies all the time, depending on the length of day and night, and they never stick to 60 minutes accept on the equinox.

For example if it was 14 hours of daylight, you would divide 14 over 12, that would make a day planetary hour occur every 70 minutes until sunset. Then the first celestial body would become the first plantary hour of night, which would be 10 hours night. 10 divide over 12 would give 50 minutes to each planetary hour of the night until sunrise, and then start of a new day. They use two periods of day and night, and they have 12 parts, which are the planetary hours, but the minutes of these hours varies depending on the time of the year, because the length of day and night varies. The 10 hours of darkness will be divided up into the 12 parts of night. There is also a order of sequence, so Saturday would start from Saturn, Jupiter, Mars, Sun, Venus, Mercury, Moon then back to Saturn and so on. Sunday would start from Sun, and Monday would start from the Moon.

The first planetary hour of the day will be the ruler of that day, until the sun rises again the next morning. If Venus is the first planetary hour of the day, Venus will be the ruling planet that will govern the whole of Friday, and next day, Saturn will be the first planetary hour and will rule over Saturday and so on.

I was wandering if this system is still being used to this present day. If so is it an accurate method to use? Can it be used for Magick ceremonies or rituals?

I was just wandering, because if we used this system, would it not muddle up our perception of time with dates and so on. In our society we always use 60 minutes to every hour of day and night. But if the minutes of the planetary hours differ depending on the time of the year, it does not seem accurate, because the minutes of the hour is being altered depending on length of day and night.

Nice forum post! Every culture has different beliefs of planetary hours. The Pagans practiced their own, starting at sunrise to sunset, and then sunset to sunrise.
The hours are divided accordingly per hours the sun is up. Each day has it's own planetary hour.
I'm not going to post them here, if anyone wishes to read of them; they are posted in my journal under spell castings.
I'll be checking into this one, it's interesting, Thanks for the information.

As long as the basic second didn't change, one could make do. The biggest issue would be building clocks that use the day of the year to change the length of hours.

Since time these days is defined by atomic clocks it doesn't really add benefit to change to another system of time.

I would do a study on the Lunar Calendar vs the Gregorian Calendar if I were you.

Yeah, this would be a much better place for the following article, as it discusses the relation between the human thought process and its equalibrium with manipulated scheduling.

Lunar calendar vs the Gregorian calendar and why the mind seems to be a bit off as it were:

“On the Gregorian phonograph record, January 1 is part of the program. What plays on January 1? Well in this country a lot of football ‘bowl games.’ Then at the end of January sometime, you never know exactly when, it is the Super Bowl. February programs you for Valentine’s day and President’s day. July for July 4. October for Halloween. December for Christmas and New Year’s
eve. And so on. Now September 11 - 9-11 - is part of the program, too. These are just some of the more obvious examples of how that phonograph record plays during one spin - a year.

Every time one of those dates draws close, whole segments’ of the population respond in preestablished ways. There are a lot more programs the calendar plays. The beginnings and endings of wars. Veteran’s day. Memorial day. April fools. Tax day. Labor day. The memories of all of these events are accumulated according to the dates in which they occur. Then everyone has personal dates that trigger their emotions and memories, too.

Like the day you were born. Or the day your son died. Or when you got married … The Gregorian calendar is arbitrary and irregular. You would hardly ever think about any natural factors by using this calendar. January 1 doesn’t correspond to any solstice or equinox or anything natural at all. With a program like that, of course you wouldn’t think of the seasons or the moon when you use this calendar. It is almost as if this calendar is meant to keep you out of phase with nature … It is easy to overlook an unequal or irregular measure in time because we can’t touch or see time.

But would we overlook such an uneven standard in a yardstick or ruler? And if we were to go ahead and try to make or build things with an uneven ruler, wouldn’t they come out crooked or sloppy? Maybe after awhile we would say, ‘Oh that’s all right we’ve lowered our standard to accommodate these sloppy constructions. You’ll get used to it.

We’ve always done it this way.’ But would you really settle for substandard measures of objects and forms in space? Yet we put up with substandard and uneven measures in time. Thinking it doesn’t matter may already be an effect of accepting so long the uneven measure. If space affects our senses, time affects our mind.

Therefore the effects of a crooked time on the mind may be far more subtle, yet far worse than the effects of a crooked space on the senses. We could all develop a crooked mind without even knowing it. Wouldn’t a crooked mind see the world in a crooked way and create problems for itself without knowing it? Not only that, but we would then think all of our problems come from some place outside of ourselves. We would always be looking for the problems out there some place.” -Jose Arguelles, “Stopping Time”


Just thought I would throw that out there.

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['I was wandering if this system is still being used to this present day. If so is it an accurate method to use? Can it be used for Magick ceremonies or rituals'?]

Simply put: depending on your or rather "the" Practice(s) the answer is yes.

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Time is irrelevant to immortals.

Is most certantly the opposite, and immortals aren't immortal as in the semantics; they are just enhansed, they do die like any other being, and they do not live forever.

Thank you for your post.
I also found out that the planetary hours can used for different spells.

I believe that is 12 ( per the zodiacs) divided into the number hours of daylight and darkness.
As each hour is defined by a planet in representation.
Also depends what day of the week you are on, as when the sundial starts.
Sunday= Sun
Monday= Moon
Tuesday = Mars
Wednesday=Mercury
Thursday=Jupiter
Friday=Venus
Saturday=Saturn

so if sunrises on Saturday at 0600 am and sets at 1800 pm,
you take twleve into 12, giving you precisely 1 celestial hour equals 60 minutes and since it started on Saturday the first hour is Saturn.
Then keep going until you reach sunset and start over again.

Example: Sunrise-Sunset 05:18am-2042 pm
equals 15 hours and 24 minutes.
equals 924 minutes of solar.
equals 924 solar hours divided by 12 = 77 minutes each planetary Hour.

Interesting, thanks for your information, I will take a look at that.

~imavampyreprincess~ States: "Time is irrelevant to immortals."

I respond: *Chuckles* Present me with an immortal on this site, so they and I may converse regarding the hours...

The planetary hour system can be used in spell casting and certain rituals, because spells can be performed on a particular planet depending on the hour. Friday would be used for casting spells on love and passion, because the ruling planet would be Venus, which is named after the Roman Goddess of love.

Has anyone tryed any rituals where it depends on certain planetary hours?

As according to the "Novena," this ritual does need 7 days to perform, starting at as specific time of day or night, preferably midnight on each night respectively.

There is a differant Novena for the Catholic religion as there is for personal use. I use an Ascension Novena of which I created (also quite powerful) to use on my Birthday date respectively.

This would qualify as a Planetary Hours ritual, yes.

Sounds interesting, thanks. In Astrology I like to use the time of birth and day of the week, and also my rising sign. I was born on a Sunday at 8pm-10pm, Oct 25th 1981. So I could use that data to find out which zodiac my ruling planet was in when I was born and so on, so I could use that data to get a accurate star reading, depending on positions of planets, moon sign and so on.

What think is being missed and unrealize is that time is not ridged. It's not a linear, straight line / cause to effect kind of measurement. That is a concept that is actually new and was started by pope Gregory the 13th and the Roman Catholic Church in 1618. This is when the 12 month calender and first mechanical clock was forced on to indigenous people. This is what is known in Aset Ka as the "Error in time." Before this time was measure as it should be by the movement of space it's self. The Mayans where correct with having three celestial clocks, 13 local lunar cycles with 28 days each, A long calender tracking the evolution of the solstice and equinox cycles, followed by the 13 bagden cycles that made up the great 26,000 year cycle of the milky way and the earth - of which we are in... the 13th bagden for this cycle. It runs from 3113bc to 2012. To be honest the thing that did the most damage with the institution of the modern clock and calender system is the new believe that came with it's inception, the concept that time was something external, something inorganic, and outside the body that we must watch and obey.
Astrology, The mapping of the stars and heavens are found in every ancient culture and civilization on earth. From the Mayans to the Egyptians all of them put forth more power, time, wealth, and effort into the mapping of the stars than any other practice. This practice of charting the stars and using it to tell time was also universal amongst these cultures,culture that had never seen nor had contact with one another.
This of course is written off as stone age man looking up in curiosity but the truth is hidden from modern man... lost on bad ideology and the greed of materialism that spawned them. Anyone that wants to understand true time must first return to living in "natural time".

Well binding the work into time schedule and time schedule on hte basis of constant movement of the ting at regular intervel could make man successful to form callender and mathematics and on this platform the human advanced to gain scientific knowledge of whatwas seem to him such as nakshatra system (star positions) and astrology formed successfully after studying the impact of space and its materials studied over milleniums.

There were 12 ruling zodiacs for each month, but the Chrisitians changed the calender to 365 days and a quarter, the 4 quarters add up to a leap year every for year. The zodiac signs start from 21, 22 or 23 of the month and end at the 21st, 22nd or 23rd. It was once different because the zodiac should start from the first day of the month till end day of the month.

This is what it looked like:

Jan - Capricorn
Feb - Aquarius
Mar - Pisces
Apr - Aries
May - Taurus
Jun - Gemini
July - Cancer
Aug - Leo
Sep - Virgo
Oct - Libra
Nov - Scorpio
Dec - Sagitarius

If you look at the horoscopes you will notice that some signs start in between those months. Like Gemini starts at 22nd May, taurus should be the ruler of that whole month. Libra starts from 23rd September until 23rd of October, and Libra should rule the whole of October, then Scorpio starts 24th Oct.