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What do vampires, or Vampyres, contribute to their community. To Society as a whole?

I think it's dependent more on individuals as vamps, rather than vamps as a collective. It's somewhat like asking, "what do people with diabetes contribute to society?"- each one of us is vastly different and has something to contribute to society as a whole person, whether that's charity work, teaching, artistic skill, or something else. It depends entirely on individuals, rather than vampyres as a collective- which is why each of us must strive to improve society, not just because it's the right thing to do, but to give our culture a good name.

Cultural Enrichment?

Further question: What do Vampyres seek from society?

What would bridge the gap, between society, and vampyre?

Would those who are vampyre, agree that those who perpetuate vampire fantasy are a detractor the vampyre comminity?

What threat are those who only roleplay (as in exerciseing imagination)?

I agree with PandoraZel in that everyone is vastly different to each other. I am unique only to myself. Everyone is unique to themselves and nobody else.

Now to answer the further questions.

I think Vampyres seek to be treated like anyone else from society.

Society by nature is judgemental. Being less judgemental and more understanding for not only Vampyres but everyone in general would bridge the gap. Judging everyone after you get to know them is better than before getting to know them.

I am not a Vampyre therefore I cannot answer for those who are Vampyres.

Those who roleplay may yap and say they are Vampyres and further the discrimination on the Vampyre Community.

We simply need to publicize, in a non-sensational context, what real vampires actually are- and let it be known that there are some crazies, but they are not a part of our culture as real vampyres.

Instead of "real" vampyres, would it not be optimal to scrape the "real" as the spelling Vampyre does a good job of distancing from vampire?Which as agreed do not exist. In part Vampyre is an idealism. Thank you pandora

A bit of a problem in that may exist in the production of documentaries, and anything that involves spoken word over text- vampire and vampyre are pronounced the same way, so things could get confusing.
I do see what you're getting at, though.

PandoraZel wrote,
There are some crazies but they are not apart of our culture as real vampires.

my inquiry on this statement is this:

If I was not mistaken, I thought there WERE some crazies among the Real Vampire community. i.e. those who never learned to control their inner beast, (rogue vampires.) Or is this false. (rhetorical)

bringing up something that I wish could be corrected in the real vampire community-so many claim to be vampiric yet there are so many littlel view points held by the self proclaimed real vampire, such as the aforementioned; crazies in the real vampiric community, or not. It would be nice to have all of the self proclaimed and real vampires knowledge all on the same page even if not everyone follows.............
................ but i guess that would simply kill off the all of the Vampiric hidden history and culture/ways that have been kept hidden under wraps and protected for so long huh.

and for the record. my spelling of vampire/vampyre is not the subject of my last post.

I suppose what I intended to say was that the crazies were not an ACCEPTED part of vampiric society, and that they are not considered the norm.
Those who believe themselves to be vampiric but are not aren't exactly in the category of "crazies", as not all of them cause havoc on a regular basis, and oddly, oftentimes fit in well, other than their blatant lack of actual vampirism- they are simply misguided.
However, there are non-vamps and real vamps who are "crazies"- dancing around with fake fangs and capes, making claims of being 1000s of years old, etc.
As long as we manage to avoid the crazies, as far as our culture's image goes, we should be fine. Determining who is and is not vampiric is entirely different from determining who is and is not sane.

Don't take this personally, because it's not meant that way, but would you mind adding proper punctuation and capitalization, and generally look over your grammar next time? That was a bit hard to understand for the first few read-throughs.

Understood that. Yes, I shall. I am usually pretty good at that. I think I was simply not paying any attention that time. My apologies.

Further question: What do Vampyres seek from society?

The same things anyone else seeks. Possibly open-mindedness.

What would bridge the gap, between society, and vampyre?

I would say a lot of growing up on both sides.

Would those who are vampyre, agree that those who perpetuate vampire fantasy are a detractor the vampyre comminity?

It does no harm to dress up and go out. Most know who is perpetuating an aesthetic and lifestyle. It depends really on who you talk to. Some don't care and others go ballistic about it. We are all individuals like anyone else with our own personal views. Some follow the stance of the organizations they are members.

What threat are those who only roleplay (as in exerciseing imagination)?

As someone mentioned, there are many friends within the social scene of the culture. I prefer vampiric to vampire or vampyre, lol. There are some who are over the top of course who live a lifestyle and others who are actual vampirics that like the fictional aesthetic. Some who could care less about any of that. It does no harm unless the person involves themselves in illegal activities. It usually draws negative attention to the culture by the media and sometimes they are the problem and not the individuals themselves within the community. This is why there are groups like the VVC to mediate between the community and the media.

"what real vampires actually are-"

And in that very statement, here lies the problem for me.No one can say what Vampires actually are.With the exception of Vampire bats and vampire squid.Not even the Vampires seem to be able to determine the criteria.As people though,Im sure a vampire would contribute to a community or culture as anyone would.I think what Vampires truely want from society is recognition and to be accepted.To get that however,the vampires and others need to figure out what constitutes a vampire ..

In my opinion, what modern day people define a vampire/vampyr...i do not see that there would be a contribution considering there is a lot of taking of resources involved to make up what energy is lacking. However if we take Upir's description of what a vampire really is, i imagine they would be contributing not only fear of your ex's coming back from the dead, but a great orgasmic sexperience. LOL sorry for the humor. couldn't resist. For what is taken from another is really nothing more than sharing to provide for our fellow species what we are able to give. There might be some underlying harmony we may not see :)

I saw that a few people proposed something akin to a press conference, educating people on what Vampires really are. But see, there has been a few of these. Not much has changed. I think it is more the matter of finding better, non-attention seeking folks, to do such a thing, and after much planning. (Forgive me if you know whom I speak of. It is just my opinion)

Awareness and education about vampires.Fundrasing events,social groups ect.

A forkloric history which creates a range of emotions, folk stories, books, movies and belief's which control the masses of society, of which, we would not have otherwised experienced throughout time.

personally i contribute money to st. judes childrens hospital, i do volunteer work with child burn victims, and im in the national guard, and work to help others in my community and my country.
im not sure if that was what you were asking, but thats my side.
~W~

I think we exist to keep a balance in physical energy.

i think therefore i am. i dont think there is a reason for our existence....we exist because we do.
~W~

To get easy legal recognition at least just pass bills against vampire hunters. These are real people who go around and mercilessly beat even regular humans they suspect are vampires. Even though that is already against the law, take it a step further and ban being a vampire hunter, which would more or less just quit the group name.
Then once that is done take it to whoever you take these things to and say 'ok we know vampires are real, there are laws protecting them'.

I love the Notion that Vampires do not exist.

Despite mounting evidence both historical (Eleonore von schwartzenburg) and factual DNA differences.

The destinction between minds, DNA, skin, eyes has been well documented both here and elsewhere.

Doctors say "it's an unknown human condition or factor"next they will say we are aliens~coughs.

It reminds me of the Platypus which scientists were adamant was fictional, of course they were wrong.

The only distinction being that in this case the subject can laugh back.

So there's proof there are vampires through DNA? that's new to me. Of course it wouldn't be surprising in a world known for change on a daily basis. Something a little "mutated?" perhaps....but honestly just because something becomes a little "altered" doesn't equal vampire by any means. I am curious how these doctors or scientists determined their answers for these changes meaning vampire. Just curious really and where this said evidence is.....

Yes please AlienNation,

Contribute a link!

*Laughs* I love these Vamp(i,y)re Solidarity threads. Next we will be asking for our own month of recognition too. Freaks of the Darkness Unite. *Sings Patriotically* We shall persevere.

But seriously. This whole what do "We" as a community contribute thing is just ridiculous. I have seen this time and again. A number of people want to hitch their cart to a wagon train to feel important instead of standing on their own merit. Like others have said previously. Communities are made of individuals, and it is individuals that contribute to a society. I think it should not matter what background an individual has when they contribute. Vamp(i,y)re, werewolf, African American, Irish, Asian, ect., ect., ect.

*Chuckles* Oddly enough I saw the most intelligent quote on a "Magic the Gathering" playing card.

"Unicorns care whether or not you believe they exist just as much as you care whether or not the unicorn believes you exist."

Amazing isn't it?

me personaly

it is not the whole vampire community who tributes to the world. it is indivadulas who do that.

good movies and good books is what we add cultry

what do vampires seek from socity easy the same things every one else does

what would bridge the gap between we and socity absulty nothing. we are diffrent people. honeslty that is like asking and i mean no offense but asking the african community to be friends with the kkk just not going to happen

and i do not mean to offened any one

Well, I guess one could say that any given vampyre could contribute the same amount as any human... perhaps more so, given the advanced sense of the world around themselves

In order to answer the questions posed it is necessary to look at both conventional science, vampire theory and the Occult. The following link explains how DNA switches alter people on a genetic level and that of their off-spring. After all frogs and humans only differ by 5 percent.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DTG.php

http://teach.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/
The primary study was that of a closed community in Northern Europe some 500 individuals that had unusual off-spring. Following starvation the next generation were found to be very sedate and almost retarded, living in caves or hollows and thus requiring far less calories. Ideal food for more predatory types with high I.Q’s.
Studies showed gene switches passed on by the mother were responsible.Thus Darwinian laws preserve the whole species by pre-determining both predators and prey.
So perhaps Vampirism is Human label for such ‘Super-Survivors’.

Thus when Vampires claim to be borne Dark they are technically correct, of course some are darker than others. Hence the notion of the True blood.

The Species is ensured survival during extreme environmental stress as Vampires are both sexual predators and carnivorous.

Extreme stress on our species is far more common than most realise. Super Volcanoes occur every 100 thousand years, the last being 75 thousand years ago. India and parts of Asia were covered in 3 feet of Ash. It is a fact virtually every major civilisation has been brought to its knees through one natural disaster of another. It is estimated that during this period the human population plummeted from 1 million to just 12 thousand individuals. Six years of utter darkness and a thousand years of winter, plant life died leaving just a few species fish and fungi. Human ancestry is genetically traced back 30 million years so these ‘Dark Periods’ are a regular hazard in the great scheme of things.

Volcanic survivors experienced starvation, extreme mental stress and depression triggering the gene switches required for the survival of the species. N.B.All traits many Vampires have discussed at length in forums.

Once turned these individuals become aggressive and predatory , they develop keen night vision (generally in black and red) and become very intolerant of UV light since they need very little to exist. The fact anyone survives such harsh conditions is remarkable and shows the savage nature of the planet. One cannot rule out the ability of some superior individuals to feed upon other realms of energy as yet unexplained by science and there is some evidence to support this notion.

So to answer the question the Human Species survives due to a Vampires special abilities.
Quite handy given the Icelands present Antics.

Vampires, the only way I know them to be 'true'... contribute a good story.

AlienNation - In order to answer the questions posed it is necessary to look at both conventional science, vampire theory and the Occult. The following link explains how DNA switches alter people on a genetic level and that of their off-spring. After all frogs and humans only differ by 5 percent.
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/DTG.php

As I read the webpage provided, and as stated in the study summary found there, this study provided evidence for the imortance of maternal nutrition in unborn offspring both physically (to be expected) as well as, surprisingly, genetically, as well.

I find no correlation here to "vampire theory" or genetic evidences for any such. Could you please provide any such as you see it?


http://teach.genetics.utah.edu/content/epigenetics/
The primary study was that of a closed community in Northern Europe some 500 individuals that had unusual off-spring. Following starvation the next generation were found to be very sedate and almost retarded, living in caves or hollows and thus requiring far less calories. Ideal food for more predatory types with high I.Q’s.

I could not find the referenced study at the webpage provided. What I did find was an overview of Epigenetics, the study of how genetic "switches" in our DNA are turned on and/or off based, as it is supposed, on Natural Selection.


Studies showed gene switches passed on by the mother were responsible.Thus Darwinian laws preserve the whole species by pre-determining both predators and prey.
So perhaps Vampirism is Human label for such ‘Super-Survivors’.

Even if true that such genetic switch positions (on/off) are passed maternally, these have nothing to do inherently with predator/prey characteristics alone... but with such switches generally involving the entire organisms in all ways.

Again, what has this to do with Vampirism, even should this involve predator-prey relationships? Surely you are not going to suggest that all predators are... vampiric... are you?

Surely we are not so desperate to identify "Vampires" as factual that we are willing to blanket-define any organism who eats others as a form of "vampire." Are we?

As the rest of your entry extrapolates rather imaginatively, let's say, from the murky premises of the above, I won't comment further until or unless clarification can be provided to the questions I've already asked herein.


- Upir'

Firstly I must apologise for being unable to locate the documentary which I believe was aired on the BBC however I believe it concerned a study of a genetic disorder angelsyndrome.
http://www.nature.com/ejhg/journal/v17/n3/full/ejhg2008211a.html

Regardless of the individual study there is overwhelming evidence Diet and stress etc affect gene swicthes.

You state you see no correlation between Vampires and the facts I presented which is disappointing.

Darwin shows how genes and gene switches are only kept if they have a net benfit to the species. Thus DNA was ruled out by most scientists since Vampyric behaviour seems selfish and detrimental to society :
Generally when discovered erradicated via a stake.
(Perhaps the legend of the stake has far older origins than we imagine? Perhaps post the last erruption -groans at the pun)

Now Science has uncovered the frequency of large erruptions and the true age our genetic origins Vampires would, to the contrary be very useful;
As they thrive in the dark, hate UV, like death, sex and destruction and have high IQ's to feed and control their withering flocks.
Its just a thought but the advantages are there for all to see.

That's an interesting question and one I believe I believe is extremely subjective.
However, if one takes a purely scientific objective look at the pros and cons this life style is not parasitic but symbiotic.

In extreme circumstance the Vampire provides calm leadership and control whilst all else fails. The Vampire feeds both mentally and phsically but ensures survival of the species as whole.
To all but vanish when the sun and good times return, thus remaining but a myth.

i think they give to there own there sect and help it grow

alien nation...
i think the numbers must be wrong on the genetics of frogs and humans, as its about a 5% difference between humans and chimpanzees.

as to what a vampire is
the core of being a vampire is feeding
either energy or blood...and most would say that taking the blood is just a way of gaining the energy that is in it.
those are the real (or at least living) vampires.
the other kind ofcoarse are the living dead. i think that may be a bit off this scope tho.

what do the contribute?
perhaps they contribute a sense of wonder...a more interesting world...a bit like tigers.
:c)
~W~

I have to mostly agree with LordWolf.

It seems to me that what vampires really contribute depends a bit on what you think about. The living dead version or the feeding of others (blood or energy).

In both cases, I think they add something to the world that makes people think and wonder, it gives a certain edge to know that there are dangers around that not everyone knows about, understands or can control. Just like a tiger is beautiful, yet dangerous.

In case of the the non-undead version, those of us who feed off others, I assume (hard to assume since I consider myself one of these and I look at it differently then an average person) that it makes them question how completely different people can be, and I guess a bit revolted that there would actually be those who are eager, even hunger, for the blood/energy of others.

In case of the undead vampires, I think that they add the same feelings, but also a bit more. The feeling of the supernatural, that there is more between heaven and earth than science knows.

A boost in the economy
Books
Movies
etc.
Another marketing ploy.

Lord Wolf ~a post Apocalptic world of Fire and Ice, death and rotting flora and fauna.

Where the ability to feed from alternative sources of energy is paramount.
Oh yes it will be all about feeding, normal people will gross out where as the Vampire tucks in~Grinz.

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2010/04/22/video-icelands-other-volcano/?iref=allsearch

As for "Vampyres contributing a good story", let me ask you a question...

If you don't believe that vampyres exist (and I don't mean in the hollywood sense, I mean human living vampyres) than why are you on the Vampire Rave?

Sexy,
Believing vampires exist, has never been a prerequist for being a member of VR, mind you it is also a Sci-fi site, and goth site.

Those who believe vampires exist will just have to accept that people will not simply subscribe to their beliefs. What is needed is PR ( public relations)
those who want others to subscribe to our accept their beliefs need to contribute substancial material.

Unfortunately even if we were to find a real vampire, have him/her confess and submit to testing, the world would not be convinced.
The reasoning for this is, of course, how do you test it?
Bloodwork can be done, but the similarities to humans are probably far too many to ignore, and it would be said that they attempted to tamper with their own results, by injecting a small amount of frog blood or something before the blood test.
You can keep them in a room, feeding them nothing but blood?
you're still giving them something we are forced to assume is blood, how do we know either it isn't mixed with something like Creatine, or that they have on their person vitamin pills they are able to take during a 'bathroom break'?
You could put them out in sunlight and see if anything happens, but then they just might have a disease we can explain away, or diagnose and accept as a new human disease.
Really i don't think people will ever be content with information presented.
It's like someone wise once said
"To the skeptic, no information is enough. To the believer, none is necessary"

mysticwinds: you've hit the nail (err... stake) on the head with those erudite observations. :)


Sexy: What dabbler said. The only additional caveat to his remarks would be to, again, point out that it all comes down to what one defines as "Vampire." The "Vampire" of Stoker-esque fiction is just that: fictional. However, the historical "Vampire" from whence the fictions were spawned was, indeed, quite real and continues to this day... yet is far different in characteristics than anything found, again, in fiction.


Dabbler: Amen, brother. Just because someone claims it doesn't mean it must be believed.

and... last but not least...

Cabrion: A Skeptic is not someone who cannot be or does not want to be convinced, but instead simply someone who is not going to gulllibly believe anything and everything claimed by someone else. Unlike the believer, a Skeptic requires... legit evidence supporting the claim made. Pretty basic stuff, actually.


- Upir'

Individuals contribute to society not labels.
I'm on VR because I pay for my membership, I follow the rules, and because it entertains me.
All vampires don't have high IQ'S any more than all white, straight, Republican men (what I consider myself to be) do.

Bored of this line~Test me then. What do you want...bloods...done...skin/UV....done....lighting up eyes...done.Yawns.
I'll email you the results so you can try and figure out another plausible explaination?

Individuals belong to societies and societies form communitities, and thus the world evolves and moves. For each has shown their own perspective on why they do the vampire thing and yet others still seem confused on basis of what they may not totally understand or wish not to know.

I am here for friends knowledge and understanding. Other than that fasinated with lore and vampire socieiteies and structures of life. That is it.

What I would like to see from those who identify as vampires. Is PR ( public relation). Perhaps even some solidarity, or general consensus.


I would also like to see less " society is just so clueless about us.", and " why can't people just accept us."

Alot of that idea comes from humanity feeling like an outcast to the norm . Though they may be taunted or feel like the rebels of the 1950's. that norm says would not amount to much.