I have been reading for quite some time on this forum the plight of the vampire. Usually, when a noob asks about being 'turned' or something along those lines, the reply is accompanied with a statement that 'nobody would want to be a vampire anyway'.
It is my understanding that upon awakening the subtle system is altered and becomes much more receptive to manipulating, storing and retrieving energy. Much more sensitive than a mundane system. As the vampire's subtle system is exercised it becomes even more sensitive and productive towards energy.
I understand the symptoms, the craving, the problems related to vampirism. This I am denying or belittling.
But, I am saying that because of the vampire's system's already advancing in energy manipulation, they are at a great advantage and standpoint to master energy work and with it all forms of High Magick and Occlumency.
Perhaps instead of seeing vampirism as a tribulation it can be seen as a gift?
With the abilities to be great energy workers, the vampire's of today can aspire to be this world's greatest healers?
Again your thoughts?
That would take a lot of practice. Then again with enough hard work anything can be seen as a gift rather then just another pain life gives you. So I guess I agree with what you say.
well I feel that what your saying can be for anyone not just the Vampiric nature of a person, yet, anyone who is highly motivated and generate energy to aspire to be better /more than they are is a gift gift. Some just do not generate that kind of energy as to striving to higher things than what they are comfortable with. I feel Motivation and gumpsion striving to be better is a good gift whether it be of Vampiric nature or just human nature.
While this thread is aimed at being specific to Vampyric attributes the core issue is a change in oneself that becomes very hard to ignore. This change caused by a influx of energy can and does happen in many ways. The plight of the Vampire in dealing with these things may or may not develop into it being a gift of course.
I view things such as being "turned" just as in Eastern Shaktipat. A specific energy is being placed in another to awaken ones own abilities and even place new ones within.
This gift can take many years to be able to handle. In Kundalini Yoga it become easy for the student to raise energy and while this may be a gift in time for some they can not handle it. The ones that do handle it indeed can use occult practices with great ease : )
you're talking of taking what is percieved as negative stereotyping and viewing it in a positive light, are you not. Well, surely that is counter the the idea of the very nature of 'the vampire', of any culture?
**smiles**
as to 'attributes' ~
I have receding gums, therefore my teeth appear pronounced.
I am pale, an quite gaunt; almost anemic looking.
I am photosensitive.
and.. can connect, with people around me: mosttimes when they have similar abilities.
hmm, my focus is as it usually is with a thread of this nature.
The foundation of what we see as "vampirism" when you look at it from the metaphysical standpoint, is exactly that. When you are developing as the "awakened" your subtle body changes, and then what you perceive is done so with this "new" lens. It is so deep, that one might know it as a coming of age, one might understand it to be something that can be defined under the ever broadening archetype of the self.
There isn't much out there for those who have gone through this awakening, there is a lot of stuff written on the gnosis, and the going and gaining strength with that. Similar things occur, like with gnosis on the body, and more parts of the brain becomes used, and the sympathy to the macrocosm grows.
All things considered ann rice made lestat say it best "the dark gift is different for each of us"
this is true, we are not going to be able to classify all of the attributes of a vampire, but at the same time, it is one stage on the journey one must become, in order to become the whole being. Beyond just the onesided coin. To this end, when you have actually been able to see your resultant effect on the world through your own breed of vampirism you will be able to use it to excel into one field or development.
Myself i use it to master the high arts, and deep sorcery that is at work in the day to day sciences, as well as applying its ends to manipulate the people around me to flow according to my will, as i learn from them how their worlds opperate, what the best methods of becoming are.
I would like to stress, that its not manipulating like....telling them, its just the setting up of situations that create the desired outcome, for perspective and development. If i know something is coming, then its just to side step it, and go another direction before it hits.
And now to bring in the "attributes" as speculated by a writer who wishes to remain anonymous (yes, I do have permissions.)
Heightened senses, to one degree or another.
Such as:
Better hearing-being able to hear higher or lower-pitched frequencies, as well as things that are ‘quieter’ than most people can hear;
-better sight;
-the sense of touch is quite sensitive, you just seem to feel things better than most;
-more heightened sense of smell, as in you can still smell someone’s perfume in a room, even after they’ve been gone for days, it simply seems to linger, as well as seeming able to identify and pick out scents most people can’t;
-sense of taste is quite remarkable.
-This is not to say that all vampires have every sense to an “Nth” degree. For some, the eyesight may be bad, to where the individual would have to wear contacts. But, for the most part, these senses are exceptionally heightened.
-Quicker reflexes
-Some sort of blood-lust and/or a need to feed off of some sort of energy
-An affinity for the dark; dislikes being in the daylight, such as seeking shelter in shadowy environments and/or areas
-Functions better at night-most seem to be more awake after the sun goes down; you can think better at night; etc
-Some sort of ‘allergic’ reaction to the sun (whether it can or cannot be diagnosed by medical science is up to debate)
-Some variety of Empathy
-Better-than-average or ’strange’ nightvision
-An awareness of energies most people don’t notice
-Weaker-than-average immune system if they haven’t fed; stronger-than-average if they have
-An odd mix of a desire to be around crowds and a mild(or stronger) case of social anxiety disorder; this is usually due to the Empathic abilities a lot of us have. Too many thoughts and emotions invading all at once
-An unusual gracefulness that seems to manifest at odd times
-Depending on the situation, many seem to display traits and characteristics reminiscent of MPD (Multiple Personality Disorder). Frequently, this very well could be a manifistation of past lives making themselves known.
-An ability to pick people out of a crowd who seem to be ‘different’… unusual energies or what have you. This also goes with vampires being able to pick each other out.
-“Mood eyes”; eyes that seem to change color with one’s emotions
-Physically stronger in certain situations. This is not to say they could pick up a car and throw it a hundred feet because they get annoyed, of course. But, for some reason, their strength seems to get better depending on the situation; *especially* in an emergency or in a dangerous situation.
-Extreme cravings for unusual foods or which food doesn’t seem to satisfy. You may wake up at 4:30 am and have an odd craving for banana pudding. You just woke up, and *needed* banana pudding at that moment. Or, for some reason, you want coconut milk on your cereal instead of regular milk. Odd little things that, for some reason, you just cannot explain. I know, one night, I woke up –woke up completely– from REM sleep and needed pizza right now. It was about 5am, and I *needed* that pizza.
Unexplainable, frequent headaches
-Never seems to get enough sleep (insomnia). It doesn’t matter how much you sleep, or how little . . . you just never seem to be able to get enough sleep some days. Or, you’ll have days where you’re up for longer than 24 hours and, no matter what you do, cannot force yourself to sleep.
-Seems to heal more quickly than others (when well-fed). A cut or scratch seems to heal in a matter of hours (or overnight) as opposed to a few days. If you catch a cold or the flu, you seem to recover quicker than most people, if you have the energy available for your body to accomplish this.
-Seems to experience symptoms similar to the flu (except with no fever) when they haven’t fed frequently enough
Some sort of ‘artistic’ talent-be it poetry, writing, drawing, computer work, etc.-that seem to come out of nowhere
-Higher than average intelligence
-Seems to suffer from some variety of depression or bipolar disorder. This “symptom” and the one above seem to connect. It’s that whole “There is a fine line between genius and madness” thing. Me, I have a high I.Q. I also have bi-polar disorder. Most vamps I have met in my life seem to have high intelligence, and some sort of depression.
-Some variety of one or more ‘mental abilities’-empathy, telepathy, aura sight, precognition, etc.
-A strange ability to ‘hide in plain sight’. You just don’t want to be seen. And, for some reason, even though you’re in the middle of a large crowd . . . no one seems to even notice you. And this “ability” seems to fluctuate at odd times. Usually, though, it manifests during serious stressful situations where you just cannot “handle” things anymore for a while. It also, however, has a habit of ‘going off’ when you don’t necessarily want to remain unnoticed.
---I have X number of those traits… does that mean I *am* a vampire?
Maybe, maybe not. I have met several vampires that do not have more than one or two of these traits; then again, I’ve come across vampires who seem to have them all. I’ve also come across ‘normal humans’ that seem to display most of these traits. In the end, the only one who can *really* decide if you are or not, is you.
(As far as these attibutes go, I will neither confirm nor deny the actual existance of the vampire, and or any attributes contributed thereof. Draw your own conclusions based on whether or not this post is fact or fiction.)
SS, that list has too much listed that anyone can relate to. In coming up with a more specific list, people will know for sure if they are, instead of assuming or doubting.
Characteristics very from person to person. Abilities very from person to person. However, symptoms include:
1. Remaining in the first death. When the flesh sleeps and remains a sleep so access to the fourth dimension becomes a constant act.
2. Usually tired when alone while usually energetic around others. Having irregular sleeping patterns.
3. Mild to Severe Anxiety, caused by energy fields of others.
4. Witnessing and then controlling supernatural abilities.
Must have all four of these!
The list having too many parameters to relate to is entirely the point of the list. Since the vampire is such a broad scope, anyone "without a clue" could deem themselves as vampires according to this list without thinking twice about it.
Thus is why I made the note at the end that basically told the audience to put their finger on the things in the list that were true, and those that were false. Thus the roleplayers could be called out on their phishing and antics if they named the wrong things on the list.
Again, who is to say what is true and what is false when it comes to a list of attributes for the vampire? Which is another point I am trying to make.
hey i have a vampyric power! i can fly!,no really i can and i'll prove it.
the news just in,Mortalitas is dead.
Cause:suicide.
i have read something about vampire signs and abilities on a chat i know,it says there is usually a dark ring around ones eyes and having rare meat/blood will bring back their skin colour.(as they are pale)
they have said their senses are enhanced as well.
For once, I agree with SS. I myself have over half of that list, though I say for certain not all of it is from being a vampire. Some of it is just from events that have happened in my life. Truth be told, there are so many different attributes, and they manifest differently in all, so it is true that pinning down a list that says you definitely are or aren't isn't really possible, unless many of us agree to become lab rats.
Come on everyone,are you honestly thinking that if they were real, a vampire is going to have supernatural abilities? Can you sit here and actually feel confident about stating something like that? Even more so,actually believeing it?Every single "attribute" I have seen listed do not go beyond normal human variables.If we are going to try to determine what a Vampire might be in real terms,and who is one,and their attributes,dont you think we should start by moving beyond this supernatural stereotype everyone with the exeption of a few , seems to be stuck on?
There are alot of things in this world that happen and they are amazing,and depending on time,unexplainable,as to appear supernatural.But so far,in the entire history of man,even these are products and by products of REAL mechanisms that are at work in the universe.IF Vampires are real,then they will be governed by the same things as we all are.
Very true Oceanne, We are not supernatural, at least I'm not and none others I've met are. We are just different. For instance, the strength and reflexes I get for days after feeding, can be achieved by a normal person for a short amount of time through a simple adrenaline rush. It's almost the same, except mine lasts for days instead of an hour or so.
I find it funny no one has asked me yet what I mean by the word "Supernatural".
I find it even more funny how everyone is so quick to declare they know all that is and is not possible. If you use the Scientific Method, you'll know you can only prove what is and not what isn't.
The ones that believe nothing are just as bad as the ones that believe everything. It's not about what you believe. Never has and never will be. It's about what you know and don't know.
It's good to be skeptical, but never to have a closed mind.
Seeing is believing, but closed minds never bother to look.
Supernatural abilities are things YOU cause to happen to effect the physical world through the use of the fourth dimension.
Most Common Are:
1. Premonitions
2. Out Of Body Experiences
3. Never Getting Sick / Healing Others
4. Reading Others
More Advanced Are:
5. Lowering/Raising Temperature In Your Body/Environment/Objects By 10 Degrees Or More
6. Starting Fires From Across A Room
7. Moving Objects From Across A Room
8. Causing EMP's To Fry Electronic Devices.
1,2,3,4 (I do all the time)
5,6,7,8, (I have done several times)
True on the point that open minds are needed, but not every one of us can do those types of things you know, So although that may, or may not, be another sign of being one is still unknown.
The problem here with this article is the same as every other article that is written about what is a vampire
what attributes do you have, that can be proven to me(being whoever is asking) that proves your a vampire and not just saying that you are
Why does it always come down to this, its like an ego out of control.
Peeps have this need to prove to this person or that person that they are a vampire and I ask why?
We are not an elistist society a club whose membership has to be vetted by those who feel they are in the know.
Just like humans come in many differing shapes and sizes so do vampires who are another form of human.
I agree that there are many contributing symptoms like those listed in SS
But I also disagree with the guy below who list 4 attributes that one MUST have or else they are not a vampire and damned them be....
Incidently I have all the symptoms of SS list and the last 3 of the other list No.1 I'm not sure about because I dont quite understand its meaning.
in answer to the original question by Aracon,
I actually use Energy to benefit others expecially seen as my many donor suffer from some form of mental illness.
I have learned to harness the energy of the universe which I call Reiki and while energy feeding especially and also while feeding on blood I draw that energy down and channel it into my donor.
I have been a healer for 15yrs and more and I am now a teacher and Master in both Tibetan and Usui Reiki and have developed my own technique which I call Chakra Reiki
It is not hard to learn and I believe that if we take something from someone then we should pay them back in some way.
Reiki also allows me to re-energise my donor so that they do not feel as many after effects from my feed
Nicely said Vlad. I personally think there should not be debating on whether any of us are real or not as I don't believe that is the point of this site. Isn't the point to come and socialize with each other and for those that believe they are really vamps to find helpful info. But I also believe that if you know your just pretending to be a vamp or RPing as one, you should say so, but those of us that truly believe we are should not be pinned down and put under a microscope. There is no proof that everyone can agree on so nobody has the right to say anyone is or isn't.
Vladmir2323,
You already have #1 on the list. You just aren't aware of it yet.
I'll explain:
The basics of meditation is when the body remains idle. When the body remains idle, you trick the mind into thinking it's time for the body to sleep. So as the body remains idle, you let the flesh sleep while the mind stays awake. As the mind stays awake, you can then reach beyond or step out of the flesh while awake.
Going to sleep is known as "The First Death" cause it's when the soul leaves the body, thus the first stage of death. What we do is remain in this sleep state 24/7 so our selves are never trapped by the flesh.
For those of us that are into the supernatural side of all this, it's a common fact that a part of the body must always remain asleep in order to get results. You may recall doing stuff and then discovering a part of your body went numb. There are other contributing factors, as this is all very scientific.
By saying "The Fourth Dimension", I was referring to space within space. Causing things in the physical to happen is really no mystery, it's simply the expansion of our energy that is then condensed and when it effects the energy of another or an inanimate object, it causes it's counterpart in the physical to change with it.
Selective, you register the difference between cynicism, and skeptic. A skeptic is open to hear supporting reasoning for a claim.
Selective
Now that you've explained it, yes I know what your talking about, I call that astral projection or Astral Travelling an d I guess there are many names
so indeed
I do have all 4
:-P
SeraConner I totally agree with you hun
hehe NO
Dabbler, how did you of all people get this one wrong?
Here, I'll explain the process so you understand.
First, dreaming happens in stages.
1st not able to remember dreams
2nd able to remember parts of dreams
3rd able to remember all of your dreams
4th able to (Lucid Dream) know when you are dreaming
5th able to (Lucid Dream) control your dreams
Second, cross over from the third to the fourth dimension
1st master the ability to keep your mind fully awake and conscious while body falls asleep so you see yourself leave your body while still being in the physical.
2nd when Lucid Dreaming, break into the physical, experiencing everything as a spirit with a ghost form.
NOTE: (known as an O.B.E. Out of Body Experience)
3rd being connected to everything and everyone around you and causing physical changes according to your thoughts and emotions.
NOTE: (known as a partial O.B.E.)
For someone's first time trying an O.B.E. it can take 30 to 90 days.
The Point with this is that you will be changed when you come back. Kind of like just discovering what it's like to be in a body for the first time in your life, you'll feel everything you see, effect everything from a distance by a wave of a hand. Also, you'll be 90% more likely to get results with any supernatural ability you want to practice with. This is why I listed it as #1 on my short list of symptoms.
However, I guess the list I made is only for telling who has or is more likely to be able to perform supernatural abilities.
SeraConner, so very true hon.
MasqueradeDoll, I will agree to disagree with you there hon. I believe that a vampyric nature is moreso attuned than just a mere humanic one.
FireSerpent, extremely well expressed thanks hon.
Angelus, nice retort there hon, and those attributes indeed could be seen as vampyric in nature.
Infernalmage, very well expressed indeed hon. But the attributes do differ from individual to individual be it on either a mundane level or an ethereal one. The gnosis that gives way to such a 'state' is indeed heightened, as are many other attributes of this nature itself. But I'm curious as to how this enhances your own metaphysyical qualities and moreover, your darker practices.
vvSoulshroudevv, FINALLY, someone with enough courage and inclination to post what is real and what is not without any departing mindset. THANK YOU.. LOL.
selective, disagree. They are merely moreso folkloric than actual truths.
vvSoulshroudevv, again well said. Actually I really couldn't have said it better myself. So again, Thank you!
Mortalitas, oh Mort, what am I going to do with you? ROFLMAO...
SeraConner, amazing how someont that posts the truths, gets responses from others that didn't respond fully to the originality of the thread. *GRINS*
Oceanne, SeraConner, Yes hon. That is exactly what we are saying. I have photographs to prove some of those attributes and their anomalies. I have documentation proving that the body does literally change without any medically known cause. So yes!
selective, oh my! These are basics for any occult traininig, IF one is indeed adept in their trainings. It doesn't necessarily fall within the parimeters of being a vampyre however, although some are part and parcel to the fact. But again, I will have to agree to disagree with most of what you posted here hon.
SeraConner, no offense hon, but you are seemingly starting to agree with most responses here. Do you have any specific questions or ideals of your own hon?
Vladmir2323, hon this thread is far from the point of Reiki. I too am a Reiki Master, but I have not mentioned this previously as this thread was created solely for the purpose of Vampyric Attributes, nothing more, nothing less.
SeraConner, see above in this post hon.
selective, ahhh, an occultist attempting to reference occult knowlege within the paradigms of Vampyrism. No offense hon, just saying what I see/read here.
dabbler, well said hon.
Vladmir2323, again, absolutely nothing to do with the attributes of being a vampyre. Merely occult thought.
dabbler, selective, maybe time to start a new thread guys. ;)
I usually put all my thoughts at themoment in my first couple posts and then if someone puts something that I agree, with but didn't think of before, I add my own thoughts to what they said. So I see where it would look like that, but if someone says something I'm strongly against I usually comment on that as well.
Aracon
You are right it is hard to not get side tracked and lose the whole point of the thread when events take a turn towards a different path.
I think the points being expressed along the occult lines were mearly side threads in responce to selectives list of vampire attributes including relevent points regarding the occult...
when in truth and as you have pointed out, occult ideologies have no relevance to vampiric attributes and those of us who have made reference in answer to those points have somehow lost our way in the transaltion of saying what you so elegantly put...
Thanks
Vlad x
Selectiv, I had a go at physical system crash, my body went into an instant dream state, endorphines, then DMT.. then they hit me with Atropin to bring me out of the dive. I have also done my share of hallincinagines.. Mushrooms, LSD. I have SDone sleep Deprevation (naturally, and drug induced) I know their are various stages to dreaming, and hallincinating.
My point is that it is all related to dreaming. The minds
chemistry creating a cocktail.. like when you pass out.. or faint.. meditating.. or reflective pauseing is very benificial. Though as far as being something that indicates one is a vampire.. or occult gifted.. is stretching the matter.
I think I got where we drifted from our objective. It is as you say verying degrees of dreaming. How familiar one is in the stage is what you are refering.. correct?
Aracon,
Sorry.... I listed symptoms instead of Characteristics
You meant "Characteristics", not attributes!!!
There are none! None that can say for sure who is and isn't anyways.
though I would say
Exceptionally pale white skin, with bright blue veins seen underneath
A unibrow (sometimes)
One or two long sharp teeth that grow in above the gums above the tooth line. (not apart of the other teeth) (just genetic, most don't have this)
A unibrow? isn't that the sign of a werewolf? in the folk legends of course.
SeraConner, cool. LOL.
Vladmir2323, yeah after all we are only human. *GRINS*
dabbler, has absolutely nothing to do with vampyrism in nature. Bad luck as a physical/medical experience, but nonetheless, nothing in regards to the main topic hon. And no hon, absolutely nothing to do with dreamstates, or dreaming either.
selective, nope not characteristics hon, ATTRIBUTES.
Mortalitas, say again hon? ROFLMAO...
dabbler, Lycans and Ogres now huh? OMG... ROFLMAO.
I notice that, unless I missed something somewhere, no one here has yet mentioned the single-most defining characteristic (attribute) of the "vampire": that he or she be... dead.
Anyone care to cough up their actual official death certificate? ;)
- Upir'
doesn't that depend on what kind of vampire they are?
like psi,sang etc
each one has its own feeding methods and they claim different abilities,though they both feel depressed when not fed.
Mortalitas, very true. Though I believe that all the feeding method's are based on one need, which is currently believed to be energy. So it is possible to learn to feed in different ways, but One will always have the method that works the most for them. I've tried draining energy from people, and used to be able to to an extent, but nothing works better for me than warm blood from a fresh wound :)
Upir, WE ARE NOT DEAD! THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF MOST HOLLYWOOD VAMPS! Please stop trying to say that we have to be dead to be vampires.
Sorry to piss on your fireworks Upir but I am a Vampire, I am also a human and i'm certainly NOT dead
I mean this in the nicest possible way of course lol
Vlad
Alot of the ones who wish to be turned do it for the own reason. It is a good point that vampyres can mainipulate enegry in a healing manner, we do it almost sub-conciously everytime we are injured. We can take that ability, studied it, manipulate it, control it, then use it to how we see fit.
It is true, that the gnosis manifests itself differently for everyone involved. From the perception of the self, and the realization of ones nature.
It augments the sympathy between the supernal/infernal aspects of self to allow for greater manifestation of the works. If one spends 10 minutes and enters gnosis, one will have that connection to the source behind what ever it is one happens to be working on.
as for my darker practices with it, well, personal development work mostly, training, getting better aware of my ability to dimensionally shift my mind/body in and out of the gnosis is currently my study. So far so good.
It seems to me that what gets lost here is that these attributes everyone speaks of are not only experienced by a vampire.You know exactly what I speak of Infernal.
And why I say this.
I look at everyones replies and I wonder if anyone has read Upir's conclusions of Vampires?Based on years of research and study?
You guys,and I say this in all seriousness,these things..the dreams and manipulation and healing...that whole list Selective...Others DO experience these things who are not vampires. And happens every bit as frequently and as intensly as it happens to you Sera,or any of you.Infernal,again,you know why I say this.So if thats the case,this means there are still no differences as far as anyone versus Vampire other than what Upir has really shown evidence of.
The whole sleep/first death thing..I still dont grasp that as a Vampire thing,because it can pretain to simple transendance in any form.
Also,it was stated that there really WHERE physical changes although they couldnt be shown medically ordetected in any way.I would really like to know how thats possible?please?
Unless i'm missing the point here entirely and please tell me if i am I have thicked skin
but this boils down to the same tired old arguments that I have seen across a hundred different vampire forums
and I really thought this one would be different
and thats we get this discussion of people outting themselves as Vampires and others who put up objection after objection of why they possibly cannot be and dress it up as "i'm not saying you are not but....."
Why do WE as a vampire community have this obsession with trying to justify who we are?
We are who we are and we support each other in that belief and those who are of the mind that its not possible for us to be what we think we are, can have that entitlement but please do not try to force it on us.
I'm tired of justifying myself and i'm sure there are many vampires who feel the same. After two decades of this i've decided that this is my time to sit and enjoy who I am instead of wasting time justifying
Just my opinion
:-P
Vlad
It seems to me all the vampire attributes mentioned are sanguine and paranormal, how about emotional ones?
To me all they are people they just define themselves with a lable.
Nicely said Vlad, it's similar thoughts of mine that lead to me posting my thread "What's in a name?"
It all depends on your veiws of first what is a vampyre. Then what does it mean to be vampyre. I think of it more as a knowledge. You cant be born with it, but you can have a much stronger grasp and interest in it
Im with Oceanne, the reason I post what I post, is simply that anyone can study gnosis, and call it what ever they want. It is a connection that all can develop with. Through ones interpretation of the "archetypal references" to the nature of the self, there is only one choice but to classify ones self as something other then I am I....and that is if you are using the concept as a general term to give people the needed informatin where it concerns them about what it is you are interested in presuming as the best way to explain what it is you are trying to express.
I am Alchemist
I am Mage
I am Wizard
I am Priest
I am Demon
I am God
It doesnt matter if you add I AM VAMPIRE to the list. It is all manfiest in what you say and the context by which it is said. Being general is the only reason we have a community because there are many things here that are not anywhere else. Nor that anyone else can stand, or seems to fit. Outcasts among other outcasts, makes for a pretty general statement of the societies we find ourselves creating. Mimicing the structure that we can be denied by "regular" people, so we set up laws, codes, and such like that with the similar paths and guidelines as those who relegated us as freaks, losers, mundanes, etc...we are just trying to find a place to belong. But to go beyond that....isnt going to it, one should understand that there is no need to go to it, when it is there. That is gnosis. That is the foundation of the self, in the expression.
Which that awareness could be what defines the attributes of the vampire. We drink blood, we live the night side, and the energy work we achieve is so deeply rooted in our natures, that anything we want is naturally manifest.
but thats just what i see.
I think I would have to give you a thorough examination first!
My thoughts.
please nobody take any offense this is through my experiences and knowledge.
From what I have read and experienced myself now as a child and until now I have always been aware of my abilities of energy not truly knowing what or why they were there but they were. I have been able to do certain things that were always a little more so than others and these things that would take others many years to get to the point that I am at. (not to sound cocky), being awakened I can say that these abilities if controlled and used for the good of others to see that it can be useful and not some terrible thing would be great. I have recently read something along the lines of we trap energy and it can be stagnant or blocked and by taking this energy the body is allowed to create new vital energy that allows someone to feel better. In my opinon. I say it is definitely something to look into the future on trying out and doing. I cannot see why there would be a problem. as long as the person knows what there doing. :)
and what credentials do you have, that posses you to give such an "examination" ?
I can get rubber gloves. We'll need some paper gowns.. an eye chart.. a heart rate monitor..
a room divider.. card size flash cards..
Ok so the gloves, and gowns arn't necessary.
What about the probes? No examination is complete without the probes LOL
Jadedxbeauty
If you read up i'm sure i posted a bit about how I give energy back to my donor by harnessing universal energy known as Reiki
Mail me if you want to know more
Remember ~Upir~, we are dealing with individuals that think they are "Human Living Vampire", thus the mindset that they have not officially died and only partial vampiric qualities because they were born vampiric but have not fully "awakened" as in died as of yet for their actual nature to come relevant.
Remember people, we are all vampire in our own physical self since we all have the need to "feed," we have attributes that are above the norm as society would dictate, almost all of the attributes on the list that I posted could be a sign of anything from vampire, to any normal individual that has a bit more balanced senses within them.
Oh, and the posts by ~Selective~, I hate to disappoint you, but the be all end all nonesense only works on the naive. You may present as many fascinating attributes that seem to be above the norm, but in the end.. the four that you brought to the table are utter nonesense.
I am not bashing you nor your post, I am just stating the obvious.
My thoughts again..
Ok upir, dabbler and s.s. all three of you are really not a part of this. s.s. for one to claim he is vampyric and an elder I find it quite funny how you are contradicting yourself in every forum. But the three of you are really quite annoying. And it is not challenging others ideas and beliefs. it is just down right mocking at them and being rude and extremely offensive and disrespectful for whatever personal problems you may have.
now back to subject.
Vlad I do feel that you bring a very good point in the use of reiki as a way to use your natural attributes to heal others. It is easy to manipulate the energy so to put it in good use instead. I really do like that idea. i would like to continue our conversation on a later date though. but not in the main forum way to many pests.
Hope
~JadedBeauty~ posts:
"Ok upir, dabbler and s.s. all three of you are really not a part of this. s.s. for one to claim he is vampyric and an elder I find it quite funny how you are contradicting yourself in every forum. But the three of you are really quite annoying. And it is not challenging others ideas and beliefs. it is just down right mocking at them and being rude and extremely offensive and disrespectful for whatever personal problems you may have."
I have not claimed to be vamp(y)re. so your statement has little meaning for me, if any. What I claim are certain attributes that may qualify the term "vampire" to come into question surrounding my physical, mental as well as metaphysical self. As well, I do not claim eldership in any communities. Those of whom entitle me with that term, do have their own judgement calls and deliver that title out of respect. This is what you people really need to learn about the community that you seem to be representing. There are no "elders" within the community, just people that think they have titles for authority over others who live in a certain environment.
You may judge me how you feel as nessessary, but do not call me out on my convictions. I had been with the vampire community for nearly 15 years, and as such, will not be belittled by the likes of you.
I do challenge and mock others, the challenge is for those of who claim to have convictions and the mockery is based on those of whom convicitons lay invalid. Hell yeah I am going to call someone out on their game. Especially if they claim to be representatives for a community when in fact it may be a charade and or facade. This goes for anyone that claims to be a representative for the community.
Lash out at me, and I will return with a quid pro quo. No one is higher or has more authority then anyone else unless they have the distinct classification to do so, such as government, state and or local officials.
Listen whatever makes you sleep at night. Your the only one making a fool of yourself as always. And you know what your right you don't have to take anything from the likes of me but what about my lord. As my favorite saying goes tu hablas mucho mira pero tu no sabes nada. you say one thing and do another, your actions and words do not ever meet in the middle of anything. But than again you probably do have to downgrade others and mock others to feed that ego of yours. Because obviously there is something seriously lacking in your life that you feel the need to do so.
I do apologize to others on this forum for such immaturity shown by this party and myself. I do apologize especially to aracon for this.
my deepest and most humble regards.
I do not care about you, nor your "lord", so you can cut with the dramatics, and or instigations of "power trips" just to try and prove a point.
Once again, I neither accept nor approve the system that the HLV "Human Living Vampire" society known as the "Strigoii" claim to represent as most of their society is either out for harm, challenging those that are not on their level as they always seem to be above everyone else and threatening those who would "stand in their way" as if some type of dramatic "war" were about to ensue, when the fact is that there was and never will be any type of "war" going on. Those who would represent a community are oft times very violent when someone counters or contradicts their ideals and or beliefs. Thus paranoia and living in fear is a result in most cases.
A bit of reality for those who claim to be representatives of this belief system... Step out of your paranoia for once and look around you. No one is out to get you, so calm down with your power tripping already. Life should not be taken so seriously. Play a video game or two. Be the "vamp(y)re" with less seriousness involved and you may remember why the "community" was formed in the first place.
Excuse yourself once again.
But do you not challenge others for their beliefs? Have you not every felt strongly of what you believe in and follow of your own personal choice? Would you not stand up and defend your beliefs?
It is not about a war or causing harm to others. It is not about being better than anyone else either. It is not about having a power trip what so ever. This is not the case and I'm very sorry if you actual feel this way. But you know what just because you may not agree does not mean this is the case for others. To say to me to step outside my box that I am paranoid.. OF what exactly should I be paranoid of. The things that go bump in the night? To say I take life to seriously well than for someone who takes life so seriously i'm pretty happy with life and what it has offered me. Sorry it hasn't been the same for you.
"Would you not stand up and defend your beliefs?"
Yes, but not by the point of a sword or needless voilence or other instigative acts. Unless it were immediately outside my door then I couldn't care less who insults me, or my belief system... What ever qualifies it to be a "belief" system to begin with.
My apologies for insulting your intelligence. What part of the vampire er... (y)re philosophy do you believe in? Do you claim the representation of the HLV (human living vampire)? Or do you represent the path of the Dragon philosophy as laid out in the Church of the Vampire pamphlet?
Not that it is any of my business, but I do know more then I let on when it comes to all that represents the vampire, folklore and "modern" secrets.
Quit Bickering. WE Are done here now. I think every aspect has been covered. Take it to personal messages if you want to continue.
Do not reopen this thread.