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Ok im opening this one so people who claim to be something whether true or not, to come to show proof or facts on why something is or isnt real. Dont post just to argue, if you post give an adress or link so we can look for ourselves

Judas,if you go into the archives,you will find that there is alot of evidence that lend to the debunking of many of these recent presentations .However,it would be really nice to see something that would show otherwise.

yeah really thats what im trying to get lol. I mean we've all been fed this "the boogie mans not real" bull shit but i for one wanna meet a creature that has scared so many

Debunking is a word and term used by those pushing their view that nothing is possible.

Just because something is debunked, doesn't mean it's been proven wrong.

In science, you can only prove what is, not what isn't.

Also, remember Evidence is not the same as Proof.

Proof can be held in your hands,
Evidence can only be witnessed...

Then to demand Evidence without first trying to understand, one has already denied that which they are asking for.

I can tell you this,
That which you seek is nowhere on the net or in any book.

It does exist,
and in time you will see.

No, it means it was judged before evidence could be given.

After all, how could you have evidence, and then say it's been proven not to exist?

No, to "debunk" means to expose, and ridicule, false claims.

The claims are false because evidence is presented which refutes the claims. It doesn't mean evidence DOESN'T exist.

But who is to say that just because something is written on the internet it is real?

Links and all views of others should not be accepted as proof for validating something that one has not experienced themselves. If there is something that is desired to be found out then dedication to the discovery of this should be focused on instead of alleged evidence from online sources.

There is no evidence yet that I see that real vamps exist.I believe there is enough evidence in our personal experiences though to say it's a definate possibility.

Let me add that I do believe real vamps exist and that I am one. But in terms of evidence to prove to the world, there just isn't any yet.

I was watching on in demand on Comcast...the paranormal station on real vampires.

You can go to paranormal tv on the net.

These are actually people who drink blood, one makes the vampire teeth and they have a vampire Ball.
They also have a society that they belong to a House and the head of the house is known as the Sire.

To me these are just people who claim they do not turn into bats, they are not your Hollywood vampires, but a group of people who live within their own lifestyle.

So basically what i'm reading here is that...if i opened up a House of Bamboo, and i deemed myself the "Head Panda Momma"....and i started eating bamboo and got a lot of others to eat bamboo too, then by that right, i am the Bamboo Sire and then everyone else who likes bamboo will then be inducted into my House of Bamboo and they will be called "Bambettes" because that is what i defined them as and it must be true because I am the Head Panda Momma and it's actual evidence....

I'm starting to see something here......

Im a see then believe kinda chick. I like to experience things first hand

PsiDreamer I got your point...and I must say it made me smile.

LOL I am so with PsiDreamer on this. It can be anything. It doesn't have to be written any where. If YOU believe it then you believe it to be true. Doesn't much matter if it's written any where or not. This goes with anything anyone believes. Or am I getting this idea wrong?

I think youre right

So sara, you are basically considing your conviction. as there is no existing criteria for your conviction, that you are a vampire. then you satate personal experiance, so you are going by an interpretation of persceved physical experience alone?

Everyone needs to realise, people see what they want. If people believe Jews run the world, than they will indeed see proof that Jews run it.
If people think........ (sorry i had to use the Jewish people as an example because of a friends boyfriend lol)

Others believe that their government is great for them, then it is
while others who think opposite, its true as well...
Everyone has their own realities. If you can think of it.. it exists in some form or another.

An idea is a thing right? So is a hotdog stand on mars if i can concieve of it. It is possible.
To each their own quit fuc*##) bickering and lets go about are lives loving it instead of being pessimistic rejects.

But to imply that all others subscribe to anothers imagined reality is insulting, if one realizes that others perseption of reality are more supported then some.

Are you a subscriber to Solipsim?

that question is for Ps1

"selective" you make some great comment on here and i agree that proof and evidence are different and what i meant by evidence is your definition. I know that people but bogus links to websites that swear they are the real deal. If i see something, i will believe. I dont mean if i see a story or article, i mean if i physically see something happen. But sure i think any paranormal activity is realay possible, i just havent witnessed alot of stuff ive heard.

ps1 I completely agree :)

And Dabbler, to answer your question, I'm only stating that based on my experiences and the experiences of those I've talked to and met, I know and believe what I am even if it can't be actually proven to the world. It doesn't matter to me if the world believes the same, I know what I've lived through.

Yet, you are offended by people who state their reasoning for not subscribing to your beliefs. Why does it shock you so that people are not compelled to subscribe to what you are convinced of? Not to be offensive, but do you seek to be coddled for your beliefs.

No. I dont get upset or offended if someone doesnt believe me or agree with me but if i say something on a public forum about said topic, i do expect people who reply to actually listen and understand my stance on the subjuct as i do for them

so far, your stance is this:

i think any paranormal activity is realay possible, i just havent witnessed alot of stuff ive heard.

Which is to say, you haven't actually witnessed much. So how do you know it's possible without evidence?

What is probable is that there are many things that can be perceived as paranormal, given the conditions of the local of the witness.

LOL I am also, so with PsiDreamer on this. It can be anything. It doesn't have to be written any where. If YOU BELIEVE something to be true, then it is true to you. Doesn't much matter if it's written any where or not. This goes with anything that someone believes to be correct or true in their own mind.

I mean alot of things are true without being proven to be. I mean how can a person prove why they have faith in something as to where someone else does not believe it to be true to them, am I making sense LOl?

It all depends on the individual I feel. I mean If I feel or believe that I will be rich one day who is to say it is not true until it does or does not happen.

Not everything can be proven sometimes it is just a leap of Faith is all, or a conviction as to what is real or not. Just my opinion is all.

I come from the show me state , yet, there are alot of things i do believe in that I cannot actually prove to some one, So what does that make it not true?

Dabbler, was that meant at me? If so then I don't see what you mean. I don't get offended or shocked if someone doesn't believe in what I believe. I expect that. In fact I love debates about beliefs, be it on here about vampires or somewhere else on politics or religion or anything else. The only thing I find offensive is the few on here that will simply say "You have no proof so your claims are a lie" or other such nonsense. Once You declare your belief correct and another's wrong, it's no longer a debate. Just because you can't prove it doesn't make it false. I'm a huge skeptic myself, and that's why I'm on here. If you'd asked me last year if real vampires exist, I'd say "I don't think it's possible"
But after experiencing first hand being what definitely feels like vampiric changes and cravings, and doing some research, I say "I believe in them, and if they do, I'm one for sure." Who knows, it could just be a huge coincidence that I have so many vampiric qualities, since each one can be had by itself without making you a vampire. But to have so many, and to have others who claim to be vampires have the same? That's enough for me to believe.

ThothLestat, in response to that, one can say "How do you know it's impossible without evidence?" Believing in possibilities doesn't require evidence.

But are you offended when people question your conviction, this is not a belief you have, it is a conviction.

i personally see nothing in what you present that compells me to subscribe in any way to your claims.

I have more questions, then I feel you, or anyone can provide substance to resolve with answers. Judas Blood though (to be fair) has summerized himself well.


Plenty of what has been presented is far reaching.

are you aware of the difference between skeptic, and cynical. personally i find habitually cynical people shallow. A skeptic will lend an ear for a persons reasoning. I ask, what is your base reasoning Sara. the "proof" is not fitting to the medium we are on. But your reasoning sould show a consistancy.

did i say it was possible? No,i merely stated what i THOUGHT which is by far actuality just an opinion

I listen very well to others beliefs and consider there thoughts behind them. And I will simply state my beliefs in return. You say nothing I give sell you to listen to my claims, and I say that's ok. I'm not trying to sell my claims, I merely tell you what I believe. I'm not gonna try and get anyone to believe in vampires, I merely ask that nobody say my belief or conviction is wrong simply because they don't believe the same or because there is no proof. All that would do is start an argument like the age-old one between religion and science. If you would like, however, to know why I think I'm a vampire, you only have to message me and ask anything you want and I will tell you what I can. Much of it is personal experience so I won't post it on the forum.

Your belief, convictions are equal to all other beliefs.

People imagine, and are entertained by the definition accepted by the majority, a definition that is supported by literary tradition.

What you adopt/adapt in way of interpretation, bears not on that tradition. In others words fictional vampires, and those who portray (theatrically, or through assuming roles) are not wrong.

What you believe is a graft, not the vis-versa'.

well just as I believe there is the Vampiric LIFESTYLE, yet, to believe that a Vampire(immortal) truely exist, not so much. Many live a lifestyle that protrays the Vampire, yet, they are not immortal just how they live and believe is this what you do Sara? No one can proven immortality , that I knowof if so please share with us we would love to know I am sure. :)

Thats where i disagree with anyone who claims true vampire/ real vampire. Immortality? Not even old stories from slavic or egyptian vampiric tales said immortal. They said UNDEAD. If you have died then technically you cannot be immortal. Immortality is a never-ending life
Undead=dead=unable to die? No

yet, once you die and return to walk and function again, then your now immortal due to the fact you cannot die again... it just depends on how one wants to look at it my dear. my opinion is all ....

you say the undead i say immortal
like potato or potatoe it no matter to me just how I myself looks at it.

Yeas i see your outlook i was expressing an opinion, not to say your wrong though its merely a different view

yeppers it is everyone sees things in their own way. ;)

But when they berate others who don't share their view.. it becomes irrational expectations.

Very true Dabbler

Doll, You could say that's what I do, though I don't try playoff the immortal vamps in fiction. I just be myself and live my own life with what I crave and what it does for me. It'd be nice to be immortal, but I doubt it's possible. And I don't count real vampires as immortal creatures either. That's just fictional belief. Well as far as I've seen anyway.

Thats not fictional "belief" it is literary tradition.

true but if there was proof of immortality wouldnt someone have seen,heard, or said something? I believe certain people have traits to live very long lifes but not immortal though it cant be disproven

True, but literary tradition can still be fiction. Just because someone wrote it, and everyone believed it, doesn't make it true. Which is why I believe that the traditional immortal vampire, is both literary tradition and a fictional belief. If you'd like an example of what I mean I have a rather comical one that I could post if you'd like.

people don;t believe fiction.. well mentally sound people don't. lierary is an ever changing landscape.

Fictional beliefs are mythology.

Most people don't believe in immortal vampires, or in immortality period, so by your words doesn't that make it both fictional and mythological? instead of literary tradition?

sure post it i feel like laughing. And yes i agree the words are synonomous

ok Judus, here it is.

What if, 300 years from now the hedgehog hasn't been seen for about 250 years and all records of a hedgehog were lost except for "Sonic, the hedgehog". Then people would traditionally believe hedgehogs were fast since it's what's been in their literary tradition. Then someone sees a real live hedgehog and says, "this is no hedgehog, it's slow"

Uhm... I don't know what that is dabbler. And I don't exactly get your post lol... probably because i have a whining baby in the background haha. Anyways.. I'm done with this thread. Good day to you all.

HAHAHAHAHA i literally lol'd. But yeah it makes alot of sense

And sadly that may very well be what's happened with vampires. Just a thought.

Fictional beliefs? Beliefs that are fabricated? Like Scientology?

There is a literary tradition for vampires, correct?

It goes back to lore, and oral tradition, eventually an author reliezed the potential for a novel. What is your take on the use of the phrase fictional beliefs?

fictional beliefs are equal to pipe dreams and deitys controlling our actions as far as im concerned

Not merely beliefs that are fabricated, but beliefs that are just not true regardless of how many believe it to be. Fabricated is someone made it up, a fictional belief doesn't have to be made up, it could be something that everyone thought was true but then was found to be false and yet people still believe it to be true. Maybe, I'm wrong, maybe some vampires are immortal, but from what I've seen and researched, that belief is fictional.

Anyone in their right mind thats being truthful will account for it... immortality is fake/false/fictional/unplausible even

except with life support i guess one could live forever on that shit..

no a person can not live forever on life support due to the medicalfact that the body eventually breaks down, therefore your clinically dead or brain dead.

That is why there is a short window for harvesting organs for a transplant. Otherwise they are useless in majority of cases.


I have heard the oldest people that live are in the greater northern part of China due to the climate and air they breathe so the body ages slowly.

Yeah i wasnt even thinking about that... But ive also heard that what people eat and drink and even smoke can determine age effects. Like someone who ate a certain thing would live longer than someone who ate different things

Which is why I stick to food with preservatives.. you are what you eat.. right? So I is Preserved.

I think a lot of what's been said recently has less to do with the subject at hand and more to do with semantics. Using the proper words to describe your ideas is very important but getting bogged down in it is rather silly.

I describe my ideas in the way I see best and if someone can't understand what is meant, when say the description is "geo-thermal energy on Titan", then tough. (geo means earth so you can't have geo-thermal energy on Titan BUT you can get an equvilant...titan-thermal energy etc)

What I find funny is how one person may go on and on over words yet construct sentences that don't exist in proper English.

Anyway, I think there was a similar thread a while back, you might want to do some searches and may find some of what you're looking for.

Belief in something or of something is merely the individuals own personal preference.

Anyone can believe something, and to them it is true and as real as the words you are reading right now. A group of ppl can also believe the same thing, does it make it real? IDK.

You do not need evidence to believe something, yet most ppl do require it for some things. Funny thing is, even with evidence ppl still question it. If it is something they do not want to believe then they will try their hardest to come up with reasons for the "evidence" presented. Hence Debunking.

Evidence does not include testimony.

To provide evidence that something does not exist, is a double negative, and a fallacy of Logic. The burden of proof is strictly on the person making the claim.

to believe, is defined as faith, without evidence. Here we have examples of people convinced, by experience.

Xzavier makes a valid post, those who have nothing substancial to present resort to retort of sementics.

As if to "stump" the opposition. The thread asks for evidence, I see nothing presented, with the exception of the V-- whatever virus.

The truth is that, aside from personal experience, there isnt much evidence out there.

well the bottom line is the moon is full and it never seems to change .

Actually,there is alot of evidence.It depends on what is presented or how deeply you look on your own.Take for example: there are reports of some glowing ball in a certain place for years and years.No real pictures or much else than personal accounts,and they swear as the day is long,its not like anything ever seen on earth before.This ball flies around superfast and sometimes chases after peeps.It zooms up ,only to dissapear right before it gets to the poor frightened peeps.Their hair stands on end,it makes scary noises and it is believed to be a ghost of some guy who met a tragic end years prior.
Well,later on,that ghost ball,ends up being ..Ball lightning caused by Tetonic action
or something .
Telluric energy.
Neh,theres plenty of evidence .Just have to know where to look.

You know the funny thing about this thread? How each posts seems to be arguing about actual evidence. That is funny in the long run, because evidence is supposed to be there to either prove or disprove something. But when the evidence is proven then an arguement ensues.

Faith is not evidence, physical proof is. An article based on speculation is not evidence, medical documentation is. Since there really is no certified medical documentation, then this thread is a rather moot point.

Those who claim the status of HLV "Human Living Vampire," step forth and provide your proof.