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Should they wake up? Or should they stay where they are?

Opinions? Logic? supporting arguments pro or con welcome.

You mean some sort of mental or spiritual awakening about themselves of what or who they are or once was?
Personally, i feel if there was to be any enlightenment whatsoever, should be left in the hands of fate. If it is meant to be , then it will be. We are not meant to force one's hand but rather help guide without any gain for ourselves, which would be the most honorable way to go about it.

~Infernal~, you and I both know that the Ancient ones will come again when they are good and ready. More then likely during or after 2012.

Though this depends on which Ancients we are ascribing to? The Great Old Ones, the Ascended Masters? Throw us a bone here.

Aye Soul, we know they are a coming regardless of what anyone wants or says.

Im talking about the ancients of the first creation. Who wants um here? who doesn't. should be a poll question, but im curious as to the reasoning behind why such choices would be made.


personally id love to have them back, even though the survival rate might not be as high as i would hope for my own competency. Just leaves room for more improvement. :D

*opens arms to the ancients* please dont eat me....

This would call into question from our audience about the advanced being conspiracy involving our solar system's planets and the Lucifer conspiracy. As in Planet Lucifer which is now part of our Milky Way known as the Astroid Field, and the Advanced Beings that once lived there, and made the humans as experiments. The names Enki and Enlil would come into play.

Am I right? Or at on your train of thought?

They are already here!
(in the fourth dimension)

They are the ones that showed me all I know.

As for why they are here,
I feel this information should not be made public.

and as for which Ancients, I don't know for sure, but I know they are.

I'm hoping for the Great Old Ones, myself.

O! Dark Cthulhu. Please eat me last, if it pleases thee.

ok please clarify who and what ancients we are referring to.

Im with masquerade... Is it/are they the vampires elder things from Vampire Chronicles?

Yeah, as for the above poster I do agree, aswell. What and who are the Ancients?

The "First Creations"? Does that mean 'before' this Universe was created, and before that...and before that Universe?

"The Ancients" could mean by a few trillion Universes ago. As nobody does NOT know how many Universes were created before this one was.

Yeah I could always use my grandma back..

Um selective.... the 4th dimension is time, you can't exactly live there. It's like saying something lives in the 1st dimension.....it would be thinner than a bloody electron.

"Aliens from the 5th dimension are coming to enslave the Earth...woo oooh"

As for the asteroid belt, there isn't enough material there to make something even the size of our Moon. How on Earth could it create a planet?

Xzavier, you got it wrong.






This is correct



A Line = First Dimension

Two Lines Intersecting/Crossed = Second Dimension

Two Flat Surfaces Intersecting/Crossed = Third Dimension

Two Cubes Intersecting/Crossed = Fourth Dimension

Well Xzavier is right about there not being enough material for a planet. And noone has explained them yet

Thanks Judas.

If I'm not mistaken the total amount of material in the asteroid belt is only 3.0×10^21 to 3.6×10^21 kilograms or 4% of the mass of the Moon.

Now SS, which Ancients are you talking about? I may have a theory depending.

Xzavier, you are still wrong...

cause objects also exist in the fourth dimension...

and time exists in the fourth dimension also!

It's a higher dimension that you are referring to.


In my research (taken from my own personal experiences) I have found several theories on what dimensions are considered to be. None of them speak from experience. I do and in doing so I have found many problems with their theories not matching up to the evidence I found.

The (W) thing looks good on paper, but I'm afraid it doesn't mean shit when you actually put all the facts together.

Taken from your own personal experience? Have you gone to school for such matters? Are you a scientist or mathematician?

Are you saying that the bulk of academia is wrong based on YOUR personal research?

So if someone wrote the world was flat, you would take that as fact before seeing for yourself?

That my friend is what we call the domain of the ignorant.

You clearly haven't a leg to stand on so unless you provide something other than your secret insight in to the mysteries of the universe I won't reply to anymore of your obvious nonsense.

Selective, The fourth dimension IS time. the dimensions of physics are length, width, height, and time. I understand that you mean another dimension, but please don't use the phrase "the fourth dimension" cause that is time. Use another phrase to describe this dimension.

Do you deny Space Within Space?

This is The Fourth Dimension!

3rd Dimension = Matter

4th Dimension = Mass

and we can also step out of our bodies and use it, it is side by side with the 3rd Dimension. Time works in it the same way it does the 3rd Dimension.


You seem very intelligent for a reader. But the only people that refer to the 4th Dimension as movement are Virtual Reality Programmers.

Mass is how much space you take up which is a combination of length, width, and height. Making mass a 3rd dimension measurement. And stepping out of you body would take place in the astral plane. 4th dimension is still defined as time as each dimension is a form of measurement, time being the 4th.

And now back to the thread's topic as I doubt it's physics.
What ancients are being spoken of?

wrong...


Mass is fourth dimension....

not 3rd


I can change my weight or the weight of an object by giving or taking (mass) the energy

and what does all this have to do with the topic? i'm getting a headache........

dude, the only thing that can convert mass into energy is a nuclear reaction. Like an atom bomb.

Everybody stand back!
WAAAAAY BACK!

I'm a scientist, not a reader. Mass isn't an dimension at all it's a property and state of energy. Thats not even high school physics.

I agree, this has nothing to do with the topic.

As for the "Enki" and "Enlil" they're nothing more than part of Sumerian mythology. Now I know a lot of people think the time of the Sumerians was filled with magic, levitation, gods walking with men, spaceships and other stuff but you would be wrong. Facts state that they were advanced for their time but I'm sorry just because you're advanced for a time of cave dwellers and fire worshipers doesn't mean you were advanced compared to today.

Enki et. al being an ancient is as much truth as Zeus being a real "king of the gods" and the Moon being made of cheese.

SS, you know a lot of things but on this I have to strongly disagree.

You know Im with you on the physics end Xavier...There is always one in the crowd who claims to have all the secrets eh? Which we all know is bullshit because if they were truely secret,one CAERTAINLY wouldnt post that they knew the secret but were unwilling to share it.
Thats like a spy telling everyone he is a spy.
uh hu right.
As far as the ancients..who is to say they are not awake and stirring already?

Thank you O, it's always nice to get a clear minded, intelligent person in here.

I'm of the same opinion, should there be Ancients I would tend to think that they have begun to move around and that soon we'll be hearing from them.

Oceanne and Soul are right on the money when it comes to this.

great comments about dimensions, but thats only part of it. hmm, perhaps more information about what i mean. It is in regards to the gates- going back to them again, as they open up one at a time in natural order as the 2012 event draws closer.

they were first....


"Those beings are what were considered the Ancients, those of the first time. Each are made of their source currents, those spiritual beings which are the ancestral currents of all “spiritual life”. These ancient forces are not subject to those things which come later. The ancient spiritual forces are raw and unyielding, they are not subject to constructs of good and evil. Like the water, they exist because that is their purpose. To be the spirit of their source, to be the hand, body, and will of the thing which created it. By its creation it is. Forth from this comes their interactions with the other elements, and the other currents which are present within the worlds. In mythology the Titans would be the children of the ancient forces. Only Gaia and Cosmos are named as the progenitors of creation. From the structure of nature this view is limited and incorrect. There were enough to equal the manifestation of the triumvirate and abstracts in pure form. These are the First creation. The dragons, if you will. From the draconian forces of creation, come the Second creation. These forces are the offspring of the interacting between the source, the primal forces, birthed the elemental forces, the natural forces and the celestial beings in their origins. Designation of things like night, day, twilight, justice, order, chaos. These are the offspring’s of the first creation."

What ancients are we talking about?

I'm here,LOL...I'm from the Ancients :)

As far as the astroid belt goes, don't take it literally. It is only a conspiracy theory relating to where the name Lucifer originated from. Of course, after a few aeons, the astroid belt could have become smaller then what it was after an explosion, or planetary nova... Though do not take my word for it, as I am not an astrophysicist.

As far as the ancients and dimensions go, the area surrounding the Ancients would be the 5th dimension. What I think was refered to as the 4th dimension in context was the spherical dimension or diameter, which is part of the 12 dimensions of creation theory (Correct me if I am wrong on any part here).

The Great Old Ones, that I brought up was supposed to be sarcasm from my end, since the Cthulhu mythos was an idea created by the mind of H.P. Lovecraft and should have no relevance on any sort of historical or folkloric Ancients.

When I brought up Enki and Enlil, two advanced beings that were here before the Earth's historical big bang as in the creation of the human race, their histories could be studied further and theorized that they could have come from another galaxy beyond our solar system entirely. Thus giving them the title of Ancients, since they are still theorized to have created the human race.

Perhaps the Ancients are indeed nearing but not as many think. Humanity as a whole may ascend and enter into a much closer relationship with the Ancients. It is earth that will enter into another dimension when ready. The souls who have been preparing here will make the transition though many will not. At least this is one of many metaphysical possibilities of evolution involving a return and contact.

Are you talking about the ancient Greek philosophers?

im picking on the things like the Titans, the raw forces of pre-creations.

and hell even the HP lovecraftian forces could be considered as part of that. But specifically the things like titans, and the demons in the pit that were created before the races of angels/archeangels etc...the stuff that was made first.

Ok I think I get what you're saying SS.

As for the asteroid belt yes it was much larger in the past but it formed soon after the Solar System over a period of only 10 million years which wouldn't allow any life to evolve plus it's distance would make it to cold for advanced life.

There are 9 semi-known dimensions plus the everyday 3 but there are technically an infinite number of them. However, once you get beyond the the known ones the rest become infinitely small.

I wouldn't think they'd come from the 5th dimension but they could exist within another higher one. This falls into the realm of theoretical physics and although I've got a pretty decent grasp on this topic I wouldn't try to really explain it in here lol

It just seemed rather.... (I'll be nice) to hear that they would have come from the 4th and that the 4th was just some regular spatial dimension that you could actually see, which we can't.

Between all this BS, physics, and new-age stuff or fluff, nothing seems to be clear on the topic's original meaning. I have an aching feeling it was suppose to be about Lestat's crew. Or its REAL ones.

If it was about Ascended Masters like; JC, Krishna, Adam & Eve returning or even Melchizedek, Michael or the like, it would have said so clearly. And they all return.

Time as a reality doesn't really exist anyway so it's a mute point. Debate as an forth intersecting right-angle or over lapping dimension, makes no difference to this thread - off topic.

For all your headaches ... I'm your aspirin.
Make the topic clear next time.