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Given that in a recent Poll Vampires were more popular than mainstream religions.
Should we stop hiding and demand equal rights just like every other minority group?
Please discuss.

Why not? Now is your chance to be validated.

I think yes but like all things it could go many different ways and bad things could happen but good can come out of it as well. i would do it and stand my ground.

I don't think it's a good idea yet as, even though vampires are popular, it's Hollywood vampires that are popular and the misunderstanding of what we are could possibly be huge. Plus even though I doubt there are hunters now, there would be if we came out to the world. But if there was a majority decision to reveal ourselves, I would stand by it and stand up for what I am. Who knows, good might actually come out of telling everyone. But from what I've seen of society, I doubt it.

Well,as far as the definition goes,it really is moot.But I have a feeling that the real Vampire is being redefined as we speak.Perhaps people will take on a more realistic outlook as opposed to the Hollywood version.

We can only hope. Coming out as a whole would be risky, but it's less risky then coming out individually. Still thinks it's a bad idea at the moment, but there may not be another chance also.

You say they don't exist yet here we are. The lines on what define us may be blurred and hard to read, but that's true of every group, race, religion, cult, ect. We don't always agree but if you look close you'll see we all have things in common. I think It's what we share that can be considered what makes a vampire. But if you don't believe, nobody will force you to. I myself love the idea of hollywood vampires. But that just isn't what we are.

I missed something here..what are the common things that separate them from regular peeps?I didnt know that had even been established.Other than the want of blood.

From what I've seen it's a need for either energy or blood that separates us from others. And I don't mean a liking of drinking blood, I mean an actual physical or psychological need or craving for it.

I think I understand Sera.But again,there are peeps who thrive on others energy.For that matter,most people do.We are social beings and we crave the energy of others.So even that doesnt really make the mark.
I want there to be Vampires,I like the thought of them in many ways.But to this day,for me,there is nothing I have found about self professed vampires that make them any different than other peeps.
Unless we are ALL just Vampires and dont know it.

Im with you Zmobie in that from what I have gathered,this so called need is another form of addiction.Personally,Im not sure what the public thinks other than Vamps are like the twilight/blade/underworld/dracula versions.
This brings up a thought too..What about the Lycans? They werent even called that until Underworld I think.But now,I see alot of profiles stating they are not only Lycan but HYBRIDS of Lycan and Vampire.And they think that is real?

to oceanne's first post:
wouldnt validation ruin the macabre, and mysterious nature of those that want to label themselves as vampires.?

and i ask why would want we seek their validation.?

By all means bar your fangs and demand equal rights. I would suggest that you appear at the next meeting of your Town Council. Fully explain to them that you are a Vampire, no really you are, and that you demand equal rights!

After that I would suggest that your travel to your local congressman/woman's office and repeat the above.

I am not interested in the finer definition...

************ONE WHO DRINKS BLOOD*********

An older and simple description, my point is that's not easy. If we came out we could get FREE FOOD on prescription and it would be safe.

Then everyones cool with us and we dont get hunted.

I just think people who think of themselves as vampires just have a mental illness that they wish to not address. Anyone thinking that they need to ingext blood to survive is out of their minds. If there is no feed or water then I can understand. Like Zombie said, it's a nice fantasy :)

Firstly this is a Vampire site.

Secondly I am real and I am not mentally ill, I need protein from blood to maintain myself.

I have a diagnosed blood disorder 19.9 mg Hgb and am diagnosed photosensitive on Vit D etc.

Would you like to see the documents so you can apologise later?

No. You do not need to ingest blood. You choose to. WHat you are deficent in can easily be reintroduced into your system via vitamins and amino acids. I work for a pharma and nutritional lab. You may not have a mental illness but you may want to think about getting therapy. Most people with blood deficientcies and what not can dilude themselves into thinking whatever they want. Besides, this is my own personal opnion. I do not think less of you because of your opnion. Hey, all people are nuts in their own way.

Not sure if we ever will Zombie.a nice thought though.

"wouldnt validation ruin the macabre, and mysterious nature of those that want to label themselves as vampires.?

and i ask why would want we seek their validation.?"

I think everyone needs and or wants validation somehow.The one main thing I hear from Vamps is that no one understands them or believes in us,so what does it matter?
I believe it matters alot.Whether they want to admit it or not.

And what is so important about being mysterious? Maybe most have a fear of loosing that mystery?
There are plenty of ways tp be mysterious,you dont have to be a Vampire to be mysterious.
You Malky,would be about as close to a Vampire I might see.That is if you consider your anemia Vampiric.And I would consider it to be a Vampiric trait if any.

i cant wait to apply for the free blood card.
can i charge it or do you accept checks.?
what kinda registration is required, it had better not involve the DMV, ima be pissed :)

sorry for poking fun

"Firstly this is a Vampire site.'"
Yes,a Vampire site filled with mostly non Vampires...Depending on your idea of what they are.

"Secondly I am real and I am not mentally ill, I need protein from blood to maintain myself."
Well,We are all real here.And we ALL need protien to survive in a healthy manner.And as a human you can get that protien from plenty of sources.


"I have a diagnosed blood disorder 19.9 mg Hgb and am diagnosed photosensitive on Vit D etc."
So you are saying it is your belief that Vampire is a disorder?An illness?There are alot of people with blood disorders of this type.Uraemia, rheumatic disorders and CVS diseases have the same characteristics.That doesnt make them a Vampire.

"Would you like to see the documents so you can apologise later?"
No,because I already know about the type of disorder you speak of and while I am sorry you are ill,I certainly wont apologise for not accepting that your having the disorder as being turned into a Vampire.

Well if you work for a pharma company you should be the first to admit they DO NOT UNDERSTAND the inticate workings of the body.
Hence all the lengthy lab tests and odd side affects/dna switches etc.My sister has a PHD.

The idea that I woke up last year and thought it would be a fine idea to ingest blood and be vampyric is rediculous.

It is not a life choice and if you think it is easy you need way more help than me.

I will send you a phyle and knowing its just a joke you can drink it? Put your money where your mouth is!

Your sister isnt the only one with a PHD FStar.Some actually have two.;)
Bone and blood disorders such as the one you have might seem as though they show up overnight,but thats really not the case.You were sick a whileAnd personally,I cannot blame you for being flabergasted about your condition,it is never an easy thing to accept.But lets talk about putting the money where the mouth is for a moment shall we? Can we start by you telling us how your condition qualifies you as a Vampire?

i dont think we should get upset about this topic.


your diagnosis condition that can be considered vampiric that is one thing, its another to stand up and at the top your lungs pronounce it for all of humanity to hear.

steps maybe like bringing to light the condition and remedy to it that you have found i would suggest to you. and in a scienctific way like using the doctors tests and documentation plus their voice as well talking about how we need to find a treatment for the problem thats acceptable for everyone.

There are those who see certain illnesses as Vampirism,so maybe you are one of those peeps who feel that is what makes a Vampire.
But I did notice in your journal and profile that you believe you were turned by a girl in New Zeland...Do you think her bite make you sick?

I was thinking about that too Zombie..what rights are being denied?

She said she was a witch with the hells angels and put blood in wine and performed a ceremony, I thought it was a joke. We kept in contact on facebook.

She asked how I was feeling and I started to change.

1. The right to life and not to be persecuted.

2. The right to prescription food that I cannot get easily.

3.To be identified as a group such as "jews" for legal purposes.

4.Working conditions...low light/nightwork.

yeah in order to get equal rights you must prove your being denied something based on something you cant change about yourself.

have you been denied
work
licences
family
friend
rights
liberties.?

as a result of having that condition.



sidenote: what color will the vampire stretchy bracelet be colored.?

Oh yeah a business opportunity...mmm...

Read my journal and you will see how dumb doctors are.


OBW...
Red of course ...dummy!

How can the ..undead have a right to life?
And as far as I know,persecution of Vampires ceased a long,long time ago.
And simply because one says they are a witch,doesnt mean they are,or that they have any power.

She asked how you were feeling? Isnt that normal when talking to someone? And you said you changed? How so?
Prescription food? Please clarify?If it is blood youre talking about,buy a cow,or goat and take their blood.

3.To be identified as a group such as "jews" for legal purposes.
This would help I suppose if you started the church of Vampire or something ..??

4.Working conditions...low light/nightwork.
You dont have to fight for your rights here.Just go get a job that suits your want of the dark or work at night.

Oh yes,you mean the same dumb doctors who gave you all that so called paperwork your wanting to show everyone?
Umm ok.
Can we say..get real?
Your reasoning isnt washing Im afraid.Sorry but you are unable to "put your money where your mouth is " on this one.But as to the original question..yeh stand up for your rights if you feel the need.At least youll have something to do.

wouldnt it need to be strikely percription hemoglobin or iron and not actual blood.?
i dont think the CDC would go along with this.

heheh red :) id wear it

Since when was this a question about whether I am real? ppl do not WANT to think we are...whatever!

I assure you blood contains energy/components I require, I have tried tablets alternatives.

1.human blood on presciption.

2.the right to wear dark glasses...airports/some casinos etc do not allow it.

3.I burn in 5 minutes now...so working conditions...no SUN spot lights etc.

Well,th what thee thread is about what the public was like..
This is the kind of thing you will go through if ou intend to push for your rights as a Vampire.And we arent even the outside public..just think of get the scrutiny you would get outside VR.

While I can't agree wilth the asking for rights as a vampire thing, I know exactly what your talking about. I'm the same way though not as bad. I don't NEED blood to survive, but I'm rarely ever feeling well unless I do drink some. I too need the protiens from it. Although I can just eat a lot of protein rich foods, my metabolism digests it too fast and I crave more after a couple of hours. Sometimes the craving is so strong that I feel starved yet if I try to eat solid foods I'll feel sick and almost throw up. And oceanne, in response to what you said earlier, I can agree somewhat that blood for me is sorta like a 'drug'. It makes me feel so much better and more alive, and I function better all around if I feed once a week. So while it isn't needed to survive, I can't feel normal and healthy without it, unless I eat protein rich foods every couple hours, but that would get me fat :( And plus it's much easier to feed on a bit of blood once a week.

Thank you, a sensible answer at last.

If Zombie thinks I/we are just disabled then so be it,

like I said I am not here to prove my abilities.

The point is people like ask exist with this condition and should be able to get registered as such and be protected by the law.

This would stop the THEM/US situation and stop me wanting to Eat Zombie.LOL.

And how would you prove your case? In order to get special treatment and rights?

I mean dude,you dont even know what it is..you and a group of people are just asssuming it is Vampirism..Give us a break here already.

You cannot demand equal rights unless you are validated.So you better have a hell of alot more than just one or two peeps papers showing unstable Hemoglobin.What? Do you believe that everyone,including the goverment will just go on your say so?

I understand where your coming from, but I don't think it's a good idea. Think about it, if we got legally and medically stated as vampires, it draw attention whether we wanted it or not from many bad sources. You'd get protests saying it's a scam and we don't exist, or that we're monsters that need to be killed, or other such nonsense. And then there'd be protests to the protests an so on. Way too much drama. I think staying in a little secret underworld with others like us is the safest and smartest thing to do. For me, it's staying with my friends and feeding from my girlfriend. Satisfies all my needs and keeps us safe from persecution by fanatics. And by fanatic I mean both those that will just try to prove we don't exist AND those that will take it out of control and think we're immortal.

1,Basic photosensitivity tests
2,Basic heart rate monitor when ingesting blood...the heart reacts immediately.

WOULD PROVE our existence and thus we could be registered.

TRUST ME the authorities are VERY worried about Vampyric people...

after all we do like to snack on them.LOL!

You think the NSA don,t know about us? fool, they do.

Well zombie, I wouldn't say it's too impressive, but for 4-7 days after I feed (depending on how much I drank) my strength and speed increase my aproximately the same amount an addrenaline rush would give anyone. Except addreniline rushes don't last for days unless your in constant pain and fear, which I'm not. And fallingstar is right on the heart rate, well at least for me and those I know it's the same. The moment I drink my heart rate goes through the roof. It's like feeling a constant rush of excitement :)

Oh and yea I'm also uber sensitive to light in my eyes and skin, but I'm also damn near albino so it could be from either one.

A consistant pattern, now it is the "fear" card. " the authorities fear us."

I am reminded here of Tinker Bell in Peter Pan, desperate for Wendy to believe in Fairies.. "Because if you don't believe.. fairies cease to exist."

Aombie this isn't a thread to make you believe we exist, it's supposed to be a discussion on whether us vampires as a whole should come out as vampires. But since you posted that list someone sent you, I'll let you know I have all except 1 and 2. Though I won't state it's due to being a vamp as I don't know. I just know I have them and I'm a vamp. Maybe they are connected, maybe not.

As I see it fallen you are attempting to turn on those who have bullied you. as a minority (or a faction of a minority) you seek to place yourself in a socio-dominate position. you obviously harbor resentment to the public. a you display a persicution complex, of your own design. So you draw attention to yourself, then cry bashing.. all the whjile you outright call the public ignorant, and dumb..

Basically I see attempts by some who profess to be vampires to intimadate "mundanes".

By implying that people are too ascared' to accept that "vampires exist". It is pushing an empty envelope.

While people ask for substantial support for the claim, it is not offered.. however apparently some source was available to convince the person who would have others subscribe to their claim.

So when people are openly curious, and perhaps sympathetic, they are eventually shunned for their honest inquiry.

The whole idea that those who profess to be vampires want people to, get over the lack of evidence, or supporting summaries that their conclusion is based on is moot, as even those who profess to be vampire needed a set criteria to initiate their conviction.

Well if you've read my postings you'd see that I'm against telling everyone at the moment so really I don't care if you believe we exist or not. And like I said I don't think it's about getting to people to believe anyways, it's about if we SHOULD come out. And at the moment I say no we shouldn't but that's just me. And dab, the proof some seek just isn't there. And those that believe we exist do so because either they're open minded enough to see what is shown to them or they've experienced us firsthand and experience is the best proof of all.

you just made my case Sara, you imply you where shown something, and by that you where convinced..

In all the posts i have read, Zombie you really don't need to apologize for things you have said because you are dead on. People easily tend to define themselves things without so much as rethinking about it and the closest definition they can find is "vampire" which is completely ludicris.
People here want to rewrite the definition of vampire much like humanity has done with many original words and in doing so, is like taking the true purpose for example Halloween (day of the dead) and infesting it with costumes and handing out candy.
It is really no difference. People would rather not here the LESS fansinated story and go for the flash name such as "vampire" to describe things they have been brainwashed into believing they are. That's all that it boils down to and i don't care if your skin is more pale, if the sun hurts u more than the rest, or if you claim to need more energy than the rest. Sounds to me that it's all more mental then anything else.
It all sounds so ridiculous to me.......

Accually dab, I wasn't shown something... I experienced it firsthand and that was more proof than anyone can ask for...

And Zombie, I know I came out to all of VR as it's a site meant for that purpose, for vampires to find eachother, learn from eachother, and be themselves. And I'm just stating that's not what this thread is for. If you want to discuss what makes a vampire and what doesn't, make a thread for it. I'll gladly tell you all you wish to know there, or message me privately with any question you have. I'm sorry if it seems rude, but I'd like to try and keep this forum to the topic it was posted for.

Zombie, I don't think it is the intent of most who profess to be vampires to convince people that vampires exist, I think the intent is clearly to have people convinced that they are a vampire, while they will not hesitate to call others roleplayer, and wanna bes.

The first step is to educate, and "experiences", and "beliefs" are not suficiant for academic curriculium. Surely a history of "true vampires" must be available?

Good question, another reason why I say the time to come out isn't right now. Sure vampires are popular right now, but being a vampire is something that there's not really any distinct physical proof of. That would make it hard to convince the world. It'd be one thing if modern science could find the proof, but proof isn't always there for everything. There are some things that can only be proven by experiencing it firsthand.

One more thing.. Why do "true vampires" so dispise roleplayers? What is wrong with imagining ( a majority of roleplayers simply imagine) a vampire persona?

Is it somehow beneath those who profess to be vampires to imagine in a creative theatrical manner?

I see the implication that Hollywood infringed on "true vampires", yet how intensly obvious it is that those who profess to be vampires parody hollywood, and fangames. Is it the "true vampire "agenda to end the creative genre of traditional literary creatures?

Dab, what vampires are have been so twisted throught written history, mainly by the church. Any actual written history with facts that are definite on vampires were probably lost when the church burned all books they didn't like. There is some historical refferances left that can be tied to vampire history, but it's only guesswork on if it's really talking about what we call vampires.

Can't answer that one Dab, as I don't despise RPers. In fact I know a few :)

And Zombie, yes if you haven't experienced something someone else has that makes you ignorent on what they've experienced. I'm completely ignorent on everything in your life, but that's not a bad thing. It's just how it is.

Let me reitterate that being ignorent on the experiences of others doesn't make you ignorent on what they're saying. As you may have experienced something similar or have been taught something on the subject at hand. But by definition, if you have never been taught something your ignorent on it. It's not insulting so I hope nobody takes these statements that way.

Role players, I love em but I couln't eat a whole one.

Those who want to know what its like always want poof and the symptoms,

I always hold back so I can question the fakes, believe you me I can spot them a mile off and they smell.Grinz.

That's fine Zombie, I'm not trying to make you believe in vampires. But as to your statement on calling myself a vampire, I will reffer you to my thread "What's in a name? Revised".

Watch the Vampire Princess on the History channel.

Bram stoker copied this story and the Church made him change his original draft from a princess to Dracula, her tombs in a church hidden for 200yrs 1746.

THAT...is what a vampire is an infected lover....once turned...
One who has to drink but there are clearly other types.

I'll have to watch that one. Sounds interesting.

Yew are welcome...wanna join the club...lol!

actually I wouldnt recommend being "disabled"

Its a pain in the neck.......apologies.....

Slippy Logic.. and an urgancy that that is transparent.

I suggest you head back to the drawing board fallen.. sara, however you interprete your experiences is personal. you admit you cannot educate others on what you experience.. so drop the fallacy of reasoning.. no one is ignorant to "true vampires" because their is no conclusive material to support your assertion.

Slippy Logic.. and an urgancy that that is transparent.

I suggest you head back to the drawing board fallen.. sara, however you interprete your experiences is personal. you admit you cannot educate others on what you experience.. so drop the fallacy of reasoning.. no one is ignorant to "true vampires" because their is no conclusive material to support your assertion.

My conclusion is, that I personal get feed-up when a splintered minority imply that their vague idealism, based on personal interpretation of experiences Trumps a Literary Tradition off a genere based Creature.

I started a thread sometime back, "Anatomy of a Vampire" I specified that it was a fictional based thread.

Sure enough it was clipped by "well I am a vampire, and I have guts, just like humans.", then "shallow replies like, "Anything an author wants."

And outright arrogent, "What a waste of forum space."

So what is compelling about any idealism that has such representatives?

You have said I can prove nothing that is untrue.

1. Heart rate

2. Blood/ strength/stamina

3. Nails/teeth

4.Eyesight/smell senses

5. Precog

6. Skin/light problems

7. Extensive documentation of this dis ease stretching back a Millenia.
Is that enough?

why make such a big deal out of what other wise is an ailment of the flesh. shouldnt your will be strong enough to over come these limitations?

people dont give a shit, so long as they dont have to know about it.

Am I getting this right; vampirism is an STD?

thats what it sounds like

Well I,m no expert but I,m told blood or semen carry...

its the darkside/blood/sex and violence...rock n roll is optional.

so yep I guess its an STD.

If you date me you have to put a coat on first or vice versa...vice mmmm grinz.

Thinkng about it I disagree...

"people dont give a shit as long as they don,t know about it"

They do give a shit and they DO want to know.

Hence this thread....we have never been so Popular...

for the reasons they think its fake they find it horrifying, and nightmarish, but its been made safe by the images of pop fiction and pop culture.


if you said to someone, i love martial arts.....their reaction of common ground disappears when you tell them that you are certified as a lethal weapon because you hold various degrees in high level martial combat.

The same goes for i believe in witches powers and magick as opposed to their reaction when you state you practice or as they like to diminish as dabbling the dark arts.

Well then,that settles it.Show us all this stuff you claim to have.

things like this will never be acceptable in a world which places one path over the value of another.

It doesnt matter to the christian majority, they killed and slaughtered for 2000 years to get to where they are. What if we suddenly declaired war on them and did the same to force our independence, we would be the same as they.

so why not we just take what we have and build our world, our business, our lives in the underbelly of the monsters they have built and created to label things, and live better then the wretches who have created such phantasmagoric imagry to begin with?

be better, live longer, die but do not be beaten

By reading every post in this thread I would have to say do not come out vampires of the world. You already have every right your neighbors have. Nothing to gain there. You aren't likely to ever get prescription blood. Those that profess to have special abilites are just going to be scoffed at. Stay in the closet and be safe from nonbelievers.

Danzig is the best one at saying it so far

Thank you, I thought long and hard on how to phrase it without being insulting.

Why hide I am not ashamed? but I will not act alone.

Yes they,ve screwed up the world and will continue to do so because nobody is strong enough to stand and point out their school boy errors .

WE ARE!

It would certainly give them something to think about.

Do you know the meaning of "Apocalypse"

Ancient hebrew...to reveal the truth...what better time than now?

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