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I know of many people on this site alone that would have, what you call, dissociative identity disorder (otherwise known as multiple personality disorder)... but they've never honestly recognized it as such... but as just housing other SEPARATE entities within their bodies... Some would call them alter egos... others call them imaginary friends...

It's incredibly surprising the number of people that are like this... In my own group of friends ALONE, I know about 8 people who are like this... I've met countless numbers of people online who have said they were like this... It's truly surprising just how common it is...

My question is... do you believe these people are crazy or that they're experiencing something completely real?

And if you ARE one of these people... are you afraid of "coming out"? If not, will you tell me your story? And you are and you might like to tell me about it anyways, please send me a private message and we can talk.

You see, I'm one of these people myself and I find it so intriguing how many others out there are like me... And I honestly think we should make this more known... or... at the very least... Accept it within ourselves as society may not be quite ready...

Dominars this is not a duplicate thread. Please let it close on its own. Lady K Edit.







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You ask, if they are experienceing something ' real'.

I ponder the criteria for ' real'.

Actual co-existing personalities? Which would be beyond anomolous, in the field of neorophysiology.







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Actually, I really don't think that multiple personalities is so common that this site alone would have 'many' people with the disorder.

Although, there are many people that role play different identities.



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She is inquiring along the lines of "are people who have voices in their heads and see other things, are they seeing something their mind created or a spiritual deity?"
Even then, without that question. Having any other being besides your self is considered you have a problem. I personally know I personally know 9 people, myself included, who have these beings inside their heads and they are quite sane.
When most people are young they have an imaginary friend to play with. This friend keeps the child company and gives them advice. Also, if you are akin to certain religions, everyone has a guardian angel. Think of what she is asking about as a deity like a guardian angel and an imaginary friend combined. A spiritual adviser, be them friend or enemy to the body they inhabit, to accompany the person in life.
I have had these "egos" since I was about 5. I remember seeing my guardian angel's wings and being alarmed in the sight. I was also alarmed his wings were a dark grey/black rather than the pearl white that is portrayed in so many paintings... I remember seeing and hearing people in my room... horrible creatures... and they left physical marks on me, bite marks, scratches, large injuries I could not make myself... and what better candidate for a spiritual experience than a small child? Or even a thirteen year old child who had just moved to a new home that reeks of foul spiritual activity...
The beings we scorn and mock people for, locked away in chambers, may be spirits reaching out to us. They could be past lives, future lives even. Dead relatives, friends. They could truly be anything at all.
Since then I have acquired near 50 of these beings. I can speak with the earth and her glorious creatures. I can read the clouds and the trees, and I can see other realities beyond the skies. I can do all this because of my egos. I'm very aware that I am not insane, nor am I anywhere near insanity. People would assume I was because I am a normal person. If homeless man hears god speak to him he is insane. If a pastor hears god speak to him he is a hero, an inspiration. Therefore, if I see something I am delusional. If a medium sees something they are a true medium and not a crock.
Another way to think of the egos is as the muses of the arts and sciences. There to inspire and assist you in your intellectual endeavors.
They could easily be everything and nothing.



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That's true that it strays from the norm, dabbler, and it is also true that people "roleplay" but do you not think there is something greater in it?

Yes, there ARE probably those that are simply "crazy" but maybe there are people stuck in mental institutions because they PUT themselves there because of the fact that they hear and see things that others can't?

Think of it as what people could call maybe a "sixth sense". Maybe it's a "gift"?



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if it is a gift, then I would be curious as to what practical application it serves.




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Yeah, it strays from the norm... meaning 'not common' even out there among the millions and millions- so how is it that it we would have so many people with this disorder on this website of thousands?



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I believe the post above yours, aBenePlacito, answered that in some ways...

With me, my two people help me organize my thoughts in a better manner and often help me think more clearly. I also have a way of looking at situations and problems that makes it easier for me to give un-biased advice.



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Un biased perhaps, but is said advice ever conflicting?



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Alright, maybe I shouldn't have used just the website as an example, but throughout the whole world. My school is full of people like this...

I use VR as an example for the fact that I've met 6 people that that were like this on here... but I've met others in person that are honestly, some of the most intelligent people I know.



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Any advice can be conflicting.



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People online claim a lot of things that aren't necessarily true. A lot of people say they are things they aren't. Just throwing that out there.



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while that is true, I don't really see why they would say they have people inside their head *chuckles* because normally that is kind of a turn off for people in the making friends department.
I suppose they could say it for attention, but they could also say they did amazing things and be revered as a hero online rather than the weirdo with the other personalities.



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@ Dabbler, the gift is very useful.
Imagine being able to see what will happen in next weeks time because you've learned to pay attention to the things around you spiritually. It doesn't take the mystery out of life, it simply helps you prepare to see the bigger picture.



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And no one ever thinks that maybe these people are actually the things they say the are?

I get that a lot of the people with such extravagant claims are very and truly crackpot.

But does no one ever truly CONSIDER what they say? Have you ever tried speaking to these people? If you actually speak to the person themselves, most of the time, no matter how good they are at their game, they CAN be figured out. I consider every person before I deny them...



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I completely agree with aBenePlacito. Who would really WANT to say they have people in their head unless they claim some great feat?



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Actually no. I don't buy just anything I hear online. I've heard far too many lies. The role on this site I have alone... holy cow. I've seen it all.



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I can understand that. I don't believe in hardly anything I hear online unless there is actual proof. So I can see where you are coming from on that. I have felt that some people I've met with other people might just be faking or something, but I have met several people that I know haven't been faking is all I was getting at.



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I understand that, I've run in to countless numbers of lies myself, but you always have to remember, any one of them could still be telling the truth. No matter how "out there".



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On another note I do know someone who has egos who has always had them and has seen them as well, but she has been through a fairly large trauma as have most of the people I know that have them.
Whether they were real or not I have no clue but.. I dunno.. Ive met perfectly sane people with them, then people who really may have a problem also have them in the same way. It's amazing, isn't it?



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seems kinda strange these people all know lots of people with this problem...... kinda sounds like they need to get together and get a scientific study underway to help them or to be able to get into contact with others who seem to have this problem or gift if you will.... I have noticed the ones who bark loud are usually the ones who just want attention and dont have anything wrong except the self perception that they need to have something different about them... i dont know i could just be jaded by the fact i have seen alot of people with real problems or gifts if you will and alot that just are looking for attention whether consciencously or unconsciencously by looking for others that have the same issues or percieved issues. but again i dont know i just know what i feel....... I am not trying to bash anyone or anybody just felt the need to chime in as it were........



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Many individuals press sympathetic skeptics, into the cynic margin.

That and even people with level accounts, are weary of a significate fraction if those who profess such things.

There is an implication by those individuals that "once I claim to possess such attribute, that I will be embraced by like individuals."

However the usually occurence is that once any attempt is made to share testimonies, or accounts of experiences, such " posuers"
feign insult.

I continue to watch this thread.



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My personal reason for posting this thread... Is the simple fact that, yes, I WOULD like to find others like this... I've actually gone to a few other websites posting in those forums as well though my beliefs on the matter have changed in the months since.

I don't cry for attention nor wish for acceptance in the least. I want to know others opinions on it and to see if there's any possibility to find others.

I do very much respect everyone's input. I enjoy it all very much.

My own personal experiences on this have only developed over the last few years. Before, I honestly had NO clue about anyone that was like this. I never had any imaginary friends as a child... I would talk to myself though... And though I was alone, I never truly FELT alone...


Alright... imagine for a second... close your eyes and put yourself in my own shoes... You grew up with a decently easy life and many people that always seemed to love you. Not always a lot of friends, but you managed, though you never truly felt like you were at home even when sitting in your own bedroom. One day, you find yourself going through those teenage years... your 15 and so unbelievably lonely it's pathetic. You have a dream one night of a priest that, though his eyes look cruel and sometimes almost demonic, you knew he was your friend. You wake up with such a vivid image of that person in your mind that you KNOW there's no possibility to let him go. He speaks to you... looks over your shoulder as you read... Is just there with you because no one else seems willing to be. Then you start crying every night because you know it's crazy. You cry yourself to sleep. Eventually, you just try to send this person away. Lock him up in your mind because he's only a figment of your imagination... But instead of being free of him, he comes back in an even stronger, more vivid dream and you know that he's never going anywhere... The longer he's with you, the more you see his own personality building and growing to the point where you never know what he's thinking or feeling or even what he's going to say next because he's SO much of his own person it's scary. The fact that he's so perfect just means that there's even more cause for him to not be truly real... and he cries when you think that way... True tears... His presence becomes so strong that you can almost feel his arms around you. And you begin to think yourself psychotic. And then one day... you just... give up... and don't care because this person has helped you be better as a whole. They've helped you bring your grades up. You ask him questions that even YOU don't know the answers to and he gets them correct. It's almost terrifying but you accept it and live with it. And then one day... you find out that your best friend has gone through the same thing almost her entire life and she was too afraid to tell anyone. The next, you meet others like you... you begin to realize that SOMEHOW you and every single one of your friends have been drawn together, not knowing a single thing about each other... and yet still have this one thing... this one strange, freaky, and complete ABNORMAL thing... Is what brought you all together.


I know it sounds crazy and psychotic and believe me, I've thought the same. But the fear that I WAS crazy was what was DRIVING me crazy. Yes, maybe every one of us should be under some kind of study. That's honestly a major reason as to WHY I want to be a psychologist. So I can help people like myself in ANY way possible. Or to at least study this strange thing. Because... I DON'T believe I'm crazy... I don't want your attention. I don't crave for acceptance. I simply wish to let others out there crying themselves to sleep every night know that they AREN'T the only ones.

If you aren't a poser... and you aren't starving for attention because you want to be different and you think pretending to be this will help you, I want to know your story. I accept that others think I'm lying at the wazoo and I don't care because I know what's the truth in my own heart. Your words help me better understand how I can help others.



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maybe you were possesed by a demon and now have a state of perfect posession which does happen and those people have similiar tales and demons are also known to be very helpful and kind to gain the acceptance they need to take total control of someone........just a thought that you might also look into that couldnt hurt



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*tries not to smile* That is possible considering I DID in fact find out that this person is half demon. A few months ago I had another dream of another man. He came to me more easily than the other did... he's full demon, from what I understand.

I could be possessed but neither of these entities have ever taken control of my body nor my mind. I'm still quite skeptical of it myself sometimes so I assume that may be why. But thank you.



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*chuckles* why does everyone have such a negative response to this?
Ive always had mine and all but 2 have come to me via different emotional breakdowns and highs. but.. they're something else it seems..v



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I don't believe they're being negative. Simply giving suggestions and opinions, which, in my case, could very well be true. I appreciate all of the input even if it's someone calling me a crazed, psychopathic lunatic, which, thankfully, has not happened.



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i was just offering up something and from what i understand a demon is a creature that never lived in human form and they dont necessarily do bad stuff to a person they take over by ... also it seems that by the advice you accept from them and the trust you put into them you accept them into to your life wholly and thats what they want :) im no demonologist but have delved into it as of late and yes some of them do do bad things and scare people but in the taking of a person wholly they mock the christian god and a person in a state of perfect possesion cannot be exorsized because they fully accept the demon or demons into their life as a part of them i dont feel any one is crazy but there may be other things besides a disorder or gift or what not and have seen many rational people with a different view of reality some of the craziest people i have met also have been the most grounded in their beliefs an do not feel it is a bad thing ..... but any who i wasnt trying to imply anyone was crazy or to offend anyone was just putting my two cents in for what its worth and maybe offer up an alternative that may have not been looked into that is also credible



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I've actually looked into the demonic possession a bit and I suppose that it could be seen as that in a way. But I personally don't believe it's what it is. Though a very interesting thought that I will no doubt look into in the future.



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True Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) is rare: I spoke of this in another thread. A person who truly develops this disorder has usually suffered extreme childhood abuse as a child. I have been a psychiatric nurse therapist for 25 years and in all of that time I have only treated 2 patients who had the disorder.
In addition, a person who has the disorder does not know the other "personalities" unless a therapist has helped him or her integrate the personalities into the main one. This can take anywhere from 2-5 years depending on the individual. The "main" personality does not know of the others, but the others do know of the main personality.
One of the symptoms is a loss of time for which the main personality cannot explain.
Sounds to me like the people you are describing are probably role-playing (really getting caught up in the alter ego scenario), which there is nothing wrong with this unless it interferes in the person's daily life.



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No, the ones I know personally aren't "roleplaying".

I understand completely where you're coming from but what I'm saying is that for a few of my friends, the people they have in their head don't always just completely take over and the main personality is basically blacked out until they the personality taking control goes away. The main personality is right there with them the whole time. Yes, I understand how much of a crock that sounds like but it's the best I can explain.

For me, it's basically like having imaginary friends but with thinking these people exist somewhere and somehow within the universe. Almost like the "voices in your head" thing which brings us back to my original post in the first place. =.=

I've taken in to consideration the roleplaying, demonic possessions, insanity, need for attention and everything with my friends and even myself included. I don't overlook simple details like that. Yes I'm very young, but it's not as though I don't think about what I'm saying. I've spent the last 3 years of my life thinking about every aspect of it that I could.



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One distiguishing factor between sincere cases, and posuers is that a posuer when asked to form an opinion is never forthright, however when a venue is testimony based.. they hang back, wait for others to present personal accounts, then graft elements from previous testimonies into theirs, or they resort to " Yes, thats exactly what I experience."

Seldom do such individuals take inititive in fact finding venues, unless they
have a script prepared.



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Good topic. Here is my two cents. Dissociative disorders is a illness which symptoms are Amnesia, feeling of unreality and multiple identities. The typical signs of trouble can be: there are major gaps in your memory of events; you feel like you are a robot or a stranger to yourself; others tell you that you have done things that you don't remember doing. Just because a person feel that the are disassociated with themselves, doesn't mean they are "sick". The diagnostic must be done by a professional.



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Yes, that IS a major distinguishing factor. Everyone I've met though, (save for a few nameless people) has described, in full out detail their own experiences. Any experience shouldn't be exactly the same so if it's something I've already heard before, I don't honestly completely believe them.

Again, I'm not asking for a definition but thank you for the input either way.

I'm a bit disappointed that no one seems willing to come forth and share their own experiences but I suppose my expectations shouldn't have been so high. I AM, however, enjoying the conversation and I thank everyone forgiving me their take on it, whether you've believed me or not.



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ok do hear voices in my head and sometimes a much younger self but the voices in my head and myself are from the past and helping me forward and stop dwelling on the past cause there is nothing i can do to change it

had voices also as a child or teen warning me of something I wouldn't like will happen to me and toget out of the house in some cases managed to do and in others had to take the damage

you did bring up a good point but also have to realize that if you have a mental disorder, something happened to you there are people bothonline and offline will say the same thing toconnect with you either in a goood way or bad



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I don't know about different personalities... more like masks, if you will.
A mask for every different person I meet- only trusting each to a certain point.
I react differently, depending on whom im talking to.

Only two people on earth know who I truly am, if that makes sense?



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i hear that but i also know that split person ality can be domeanatied by one



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Thank you very much for the input.

Risque, I've had people do that to me before. It was a hellish experience, believe me. But I learned... it's how I know, much better than I did, to handle myself. I'm so much stronger for the very small pain I've endured.

Vampchica4, I understand the mask thing. I'm kind of the same way. At least with my family. And my not so close friends and my close close friends...



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okay i seen something like hears things that arent there i believe.

For months after i left Iraq i suffered from shell shock. I would panic at the sound of a pin drop litterallly my friends tyhought i was being funny so did my family but it was real. A car door slam sounds alot like mortar fire when you get back from Iraq with shell shock so i would say that i had experienced hearing things that werent there. As far as Multiple Identities, thats BS IMO. I mean really noone will ever know for sure because people love to say they are something thats physically or mentally impossible to be. ie, lycan, dragon, or what have you



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Glasgow Grin, thank you for your input. That the first little bit of your posts was a tad bit off the topic of what I was asking but thank you all the same.

As people claiming to be things they are not, I understand that completely but I claim nothing other than having two separate entities with me in my life that others can't possibly know they are there. I can honestly tell you though, that if a person is good at sensing energy, the WILL in fact, sense these souls.

I'd also like to point out that some people simply refer to their spiritual side when say "lycan" or "dragon". Granted, it's VERY unlikely every single one of them speak the truth. In fact, I don't believe in HALF of them do. But there ARE those that are telling the truth and most likely have gone through hell and back just trying to accept it. That's my own opinion on it and I very much appreciate yours and understand.



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The more ambiguous, and vague a persons claim to being somehow extraordinary, the more likely they are fabricating their claim, motive for fabrication varies.

Sociopaths are notorious for fabricating themselves as somehow mystically astonishing simply to see how many they can dupe.

Others may do so to boast, and elevate themselves to status to compensate for a lack of any remarkable, or notable distinguising attributes.

Others for sympathy.



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In actuality,"true" multiple personality disorder is quite rare.



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And do not forget that there are also many different levels of this



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I have a friend who I have known for many years who was clinically diagnosed with MPD.back in the late 80s.As it turned out,she was severly abused as a child and as a result,developed the alternate personalities ..her mind was compensating and escaping.However as far as terming it a gift,lets take this statement for instance..
"Imagine being able to see what will happen in next weeks time because you've learned to pay attention to the things around you spiritually. It doesn't take the mystery out of life, it simply helps you prepare to see the bigger picture."
I cannot agree with that it would be considered a gift exclusively in those who exibit MPD,because this is something that anyone does or/and can do if observant and thinking logically.



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I understand that you are looking more for personal accounts but other than what I posted prior,I cannot give you one.However here is what the American board of psychiatry has to say about it..

....students often ask me whether multiple personality disorder (MPD) really exists. I usually reply that the symptoms attributed to it are as genuine as hysterical paralysis and seizures....
--Dr. Paul McHugh
Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is a psychiatric disorder characterized by having at least one "alter" personality that controls behavior. The "alters" are said to occur spontaneously and involuntarily, and function more or less independently of each other. The unity of consciousness, by which we identify our selves, is said to be absent in MPD. Another symptom of MPD is significant amnesia which can't be explained by ordinary forgetfulness. In 1994, the American Psychiatric Association's DSM-IV replaced the designation of MPD with DID: dissociative identity disorder. The label may have changed, but the list of symptoms remained essentially the same.

Memory and other aspects of consciousness are said to be divided up among "alters" in the MPD. The number of "alters" identified by various therapists ranges from several to tens to hundreds. There are even some reports of several thousand identities dwelling in one person. There does not seem to be any consensus among therapists as to what an "alter" is. Yet, there is general agreement that the cause of MPD is repressed memories of childhood sexual abuse. The evidence for this claim has been challenged, however, and there are very few reported cases of MPD afflicting children.

Psychologist Nicholas P. Spanos argues that repressed memories of childhood abuse and multiple personality disorder are "rule-governed social constructions established, legitimated, and maintained through social interaction." In short, Spanos argues that most cases of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients and the rest of society. The experts have created both the disease and the cure. This does not mean that MPD does not exist, but that its origin and development are often, if not most often, explicable without the model of separate but permeable ego-states or "alters" arising out of the ashes of a destroyed "original self."

A rather common view of MPD is given by philosopher Daniel Dennett.

...the evidence is now voluminous that there are not a handful or a hundred but thousands of cases of MPD diagnosed today, and it almost invariably owes its existence to prolonged early childhood abuse, usually sexual, and of sickening severity. Nicholas Humphrey and I investigated MPD several years ago ["Speaking for Our Selves: An Assessment of Multiple Personality Disorder," Raritan, 9, pp. 68-98] and found it to be a complex phenomenon that extends far beyond individual brains and the sufferers.

These children have often been kept in such extraordinary terrifying and confusing circumstances that I am more amazed that they survive psychologically at all than I am that they manage to preserve themselves by a desperate redrawing of their boundaries. What they do, when confronted with overwhelming conflict and pain, is this: They "leave." They create a boundary so that the horror doesn't happen to them; it either happens to no one, or to some other self, better able to sustain its organization under such an onslaught--at least that's what they say they did, as best they recall.
Dennett exhibits minimal skepticism about the truth of the MPD accounts, and focuses on how they can be explained metaphysically and biologically. For all his brilliant exploration of the concept of the self, the one perspective he doesn't seem to give much weight to is the one Spanos takes: that the self and the multiple selves of the MPD patient are social constructs, not needing a metaphysical or biological explanation so much as a social-psychological one. That is not to say that our biology is not a significant determining factor in the development of our ideas about selves, including our own self. It is to say, however, that before we go off worrying about how to metaphysically explain one or a hundred selves in one body, or one self in a hundred bodies, we might want to consider that a phenomenological analysis of behavior which takes that behavior at face value, or which attributes it to nothing but brain structure and biochemistry, may be missing the most significant element in the creation of the self: the sociocognitive context in which our ideas of self, disease, personality, memory, etc., emerge. Being a social construct does not make the self any less real, by the way. And Spanos should not be taken to deny either that the self exists or that MPD exists.

But if thinkers of Dennett's stature accept MPD as something which needs explaining in terms of psychological dynamics limited to the psyche of the abused rather than in terms of social constructs, the task of convincing therapists who treat MPD to accept Spanos' way of thinking is Herculean. How could it be possible that most MPD patients have been created in the therapist's laboratory, so to speak? How could it be possible that so many people, particularly female people [85% of MPD patients are female], could have so many false memories of childhood sexual abuse? How could so many people behave as if their bodies have been invaded by numerous entities or personalities, if they hadn't really been so invaded? How could so many people actually experience past lives under hypnosis, a standard procedure of some therapists who treat MPD? How could the defense mechanism explanation for MPD, in terms of repression of childhood sexual trauma and dissociation, not be correct? How could so many people be so wrong about so much? Spanos' answer makes it sound almost too easy for such a massive amount of self-deception and delusion to develop: it's happened before and we all know about it. Remember demonic possession?

Most educated people today do not try to explain epilepsy, brain damage, genetic disorders, neurochemical imbalances, feverish hallucinations, or troublesome behavior by appealing to the idea of demonic possession. Yet, at one time, all of Europe and America would have accepted such an explanation. Furthermore, we had our experts--the priests and theologians--to tell us how to identify the possessed and how to exorcise the demons. An elaborate theological framework bolstered this worldview, and an elaborate set of social rituals and behaviors validated it on a continuous basis. In fact, every culture, no matter how primitive and pre-scientific, had a belief in some form of demonic possession. It had its shamans and witch doctors who performed rituals to rid the possessed of their demons. In their own sociocognitive contexts, such beliefs and behaviors were seen as obviously correct, and were constantly reinforced by traditional and customary social behaviors and expectations.

Most educated people today believe that the behaviors of witches and other possessed persons--as well as the behaviors of their tormentors, exorcists, and executioners--were enactments of social roles. With the exception of religious fundamentalists (who still live in the world of demons, witches, and supernatural magic), educated people do not believe that in those days there really were witches, or that demons really did invade bodies, or that priests really did exorcise those demons by their ritualistic magic. Yet, for those who lived in the time of witches and demons, these beings were as real as anything else they experienced. In Spanos' view, what is true of the world of demons and exorcists is true of the psychological world filled with phenomena such as repression of childhood sexual trauma and its manifestation in such disorders as MPD.

Spanos makes a very strong case for the claim that "patients learn to construe themselves as possessing multiple selves, learn to present themselves in terms of this construal, and learn to reorganize and elaborate on their personal biography so as to make it congruent with their understanding of what it means to be a multiple." Psychotherapists, according to Spanos, "play a particularly important part in the generation and maintenance of MPD." According to Spanos, most therapists never see a single case of MPD and some therapists report seeing hundreds of cases each year. It should be distressing to those trying to defend the integrity of psychotherapy that a patient's diagnosis depends upon the preconceptions of the therapist. However, an MPD patient typically has no memory of sexual abuse upon entering therapy. Only after the therapist encourages the patient do memories of sexual abuses emerge. Furthermore, the typical MPD patient does not begin manifesting "alters" until after treatment begins (Piper 1998). MPD therapists counter these charges by claiming that their methods are tried and true, which they know from experience, and those therapists who never treat MPD don't know what to look for.*

Multiple selves exist, and have existed in other cultures, without being related to the notion of a mental disorder, as is the case today in North America. According to Spanos, "Multiple identities can develop in a wide variety of cultural contexts and serve numerous different social functions." Neither childhood sexual abuse nor mental disorder is a necessary condition for multiple personality to manifest itself. Multiple personalities are best understood as "rule-governed social constructions." They "are established, legitimated, maintained, and altered through social interaction." In a number of different historical and social contexts, people have learned to think of themselves as "possessing more than one identity or self, and can learn to behave as if they are first one identity and then a different identity." However, "people are unlikely to think of themselves in this way or to behave in this way unless their culture has provided models from whom the rules and characteristics of multiple identity enactments can be learned. Along with providing rules and models, the culture, through its socializing agents, must also provide legitimation for multiple self enactments." Again, Spanos is not saying that MPD does not exist, but that the standard model of (a) abuse, (b) withdrawal of original self, and then (c) emergence of alters, is not needed to explain MPD. Nor is the psychological baggage that goes with that model: repression, recovered memory of childhood sexual abuse, integration of alters in therapy. Nor are the standard diagnostic techniques: hypnosis, including past life regression, and Rorschach tests.

It should be noted that books and films have had a strong influence on the belief in the nature of MPD, e.g., Sybil, The Three Faces of Eve, The Five of Me, or The Minds of Billy Milligan. These mass media presentations influence not only the general public's beliefs about MPD, but they affect MPD patients as well. For example, Flora Rheta Schreiber's Sybil is the story of a woman with sixteen personalities allegedly created in response to having been abused as a child. Before the publication of Sybil in 1973 and the 1976 television movie starring Sally Fields as Sybil, there had been only about 75 reported cases of MPD. Since Sybil there have some 40,000 diagnoses of MPD, mostly in North America.

Sybil has been identified as Shirley Ardell Mason, who died of breast cancer in 1998 at the age of 75. Her therapist has been identified as Cornelia Wilbur, who died in 1992, leaving Mason $25,000 and all future royalties from Sybil. Schreiber also died in 1988. It is now known that Mason had no MPD symptoms before therapy with Wilbur, who used hypnosis and other suggestive techniques to tease out the so-called "personalities." Newsweek (January 25, 1999) reports that, according to historian Peter M. Swales (who first identified Mason as Sybil), "there is strong evidence that [the worst abuse in the book] could not have happened."

Dr. Herbert Spiegel, who also treated "Sybil", believes Wilbur suggested the personalities as part of her therapy and that the patient adopted them with the help of hypnosis and sodium pentothal. He describes his patient as highly hypnotizable and extremely suggestible. Mason was so helpful that she read the literature on MPD, including The Three Faces of Eve. The Sybil episode seems clearly to be symptomatic of an iatrogenic disorder. Yet, the Sybil case is the paradigm for the standard model of MPD. A defender of this model, Dr. Philip M. Coons, claims that "the relationship of multiple personality to child abuse was not generally recognized until the publication of Sybil."

The MPD community suffered another serious attack on its credibility when Dr. Bennett Braun, the founder of the International Society for the Study of Disassociation, had his license suspended over allegations he used drugs and hypnosis to convince a patient she killed scores of people in Satanic rituals. The patient claims that Braun convinced her that she had 300 personalities, among them a child molester, a high priestess of a satanic cult, and a cannibal. The patient told the Chicago Tribune: "I began to add a few things up and realized there was no way I could come from a little town in Iowa, be eating 2,000 people a year, and nobody said anything about it." The patient won $10.6 million in a lawsuit against Braun, Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Hospital, and another therapist.

defenders of MPD

The defenders of the MPD/DID standard model of genesis, diagnosis, and treatment argue that the disease is underdiagnosed because its complexity makes it very difficult to identify. Dr. Philip M. Coons, who is in the Department of Psychiatry at the Indiana University School of Medicine, claims that "there is a professional reluctance to diagnose multiple personality disorder." He thinks this "stems from a number of factors including the generally subtle presentation of the symptoms, the fearful reluctance of the patient to divulge important clinical information, professional ignorance concerning dissociative disorders, and the reluctance of the clinician to believe that incest actually occurs and is not the product of fantasy." Dr. Coons also claims that demonic possession was "a forerunner of multiple personality."

Another defender of the standard model of MPD, Dr. Ralph Allison, has posted his diagnosis of Kenneth Bianchi, the so-called Hillside Strangler, in which the therapist admits he has changed his mind several times. Bianchi, now a convicted serial killer serving a life sentence, was diagnosed as having MPD by defense psychiatrist Jack G. Watkins. Dr. Watkins used hypnosis on Bianchi and "Steve" emerged to an explicit suggestion from the therapist. "Steve" was allegedly Bianchi's alter who did the murders. Prosecution psychiatrist Martin T. Orne, an expert on hypnosis, argued successfully before the court that the hypnosis and the MPD symptoms were a sham.

Allison claims, but offers no evidence, that the controversy over MPD is one between therapists, who defend the standard model, and teachers, who deny MPD exists.* The battle took place in committee when preparing the DSM-IV, he claims. The teachers won and MPD was removed and DID replaced it. The DSM-IV is the current version (1994) of the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic & Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. It lists 410 mental disorders, up from145 in DSM-II (1968). The first edition in 1952 listed 60 disorders. Some claim that this proliferation of disorders indicates an attempt of therapists to expand their market; others see the rise in disorders as evidence of better diagnostic tools. According to Allison, MPD was called "Hysterical Dissociative Disorder" in DSM-II and did not have its own code number. MPD was listed and coded in DSM-III, but removed in DSM-IV and replaced with DID.

It is possible, of course, that some cases of MPD emerge spontaneously without input from the MPD community, while other cases--perhaps most cases--of MPD have been created by therapists with the cooperation of their patients who have been influenced by authors and film makers. In either case, the suffering of the person with MPD is equally pitiable and deserving of our understanding, not derision.

See also exorcism, false memory, hypnosis, hystero-epilepsy, New Age psychotherapies, repressed memory, and repressed memory therapy.

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books and articles

Coons, P.M. (1986). "Child abuse and multiple personality: review of the literature and suggestions for treatment." International Journal of Child Abuse and Neglect, 10, 455-462.

Dennet, Daniel. Consciousness Explained (Little, Brown, and Co., 1991), ch. 13, "The Reality of Selves."

Diehl, William. Primal Fear (Del Rey, 1996). (Note: this is a novel, recommended by Grant Middleton of the band 'The Demon Haunted World'!)

Keenan, Matt. The Devil & Dr. Braun (Bennett G. Braun, M.D., author of The Treatment of Multiple Personality Disorder, was the founder and former Medical Director of the Dissociative Disorders Unit [now closed] at Rush-Presbyterian-St. Luke's Medical Center in Skokie, Illinois. He founded of the International Society for the Study of Multiple Personality Disorder, now known as The International Society for the Study of Dissociation.)

Lewis, Dorothy Otnow, M.D., Catherine A. Yeager, M.A., Yael Swica, B.A., Jonathan H. Pincus, M.D., and Melvin Lewis, M.B.B.S., F.R.C.Psych., D.C.H. "Objective Documentation of Child Abuse and Dissociation in 12 Murderers With Dissociative Identity Disorder," THE AMERICAN JOURNAL OF PSYCHIATRY



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And here is what the network for MPD has to offer....

Generally, multiple personality disorder is triggered by childhood trauma, often physical or sexual abuse or both. Often, the memory of the abuse has been suppressed and must be recovered through psychotherapy. This comes with its own dangers; recently, it’s been shown that psychotherapists, without realizing it, can lead a person to invent “suppressed” memories, and these cases have led to irreparable harm to innocent people who are accused of child abuse by the children and relatives they love.

However, multiple personality disorder is sometimes triggered by purely organic causes. For instance, temporal lobe epilepsy sometimes can lead to personality split. Other organic causes of multiple personality disorder include sleep loss, sensory deprivation, stroke, Alzheimer’s, and encephalitis. Or the corpus callosum (the part of the brain that joins the left and right halves of the cerebral cortex) may be severed due to trauma or surgery designed to cure severe epilepsy, and this may in turn cause the rise of multiple personalities. This particular type of MPD is often described as “Jekyll and Hyde,” because the two halves act as two independent entities – two dominant personalities, instead of the traditional dominant single personality and subordinate other personality or personalities.

If the multiple personality disorder is caused by childhood trauma, it is likely remembered only as a series of perceptual information – fleeting images, olfactory, auditory, or olfactory sensations. Broca’s area, a part of the brain intimately involved in transforming experience into speech, is often very suppressed during the recovery of true memories, making it almost impossible for the patient to express in coherent terms their experience and memories. At the same time, parts of the right brain associated with visual and sensory memory are highly stimulated. The patient is, in essence, “reliving” the trauma. This is often described as flashbacks.

Because of this, psychotherapists and researchers theorize that part of what’s happening is the sequestering of harmful information. Instead of sharing space with the rest of the memories, the traumatic incidences are shoved into their own little corner, and the only way they can be accessed is through fragmented and incoherent neural pathways.

Ultimately, there is no way to know for certain what causes multiple personality disorder. Researchers are constantly examining this little-understood area of psychology, and are making new discoveries every day.



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I understood that this actual disorder is very rare indeed. But yet I know a large number of people with it. 8 or 9 people whom I've met in person. When you watch them, you can see it very clearly. To the point say... if they changed personalities mid-hug, you can tell the different simply in the gentleness or roughness of the hug. They speak, act, and even breathe differently. The sit differently. They walk differently. Their mannerisms are different. It's to a point where if you HONESTLY pay attention... you could see it... even before one friend of mine actually TOLD me about it, I always thought she seemed a bit off and not herself sometimes.

As for my own case and others slightly similar... I wouldn't say I actually HAVE dissociative identity disorder. The entities I have with me are honestly the equivalent of imaginary friends. Or guardian angels if you will. I only used DID as an example or something to start with.

As for the comment Oceanne took a quote from. No it isn't a gift exclusively from this disorder. Many others experience the same way but for aBenePlacito, the DID or MPD is what causes her to experience that as I suspect it may be for others.

Think about how many people have never gone to get help for something like that, simply because for THEM it's normal and they've ACCEPTED it. As far as psychiatry knows, the case is very rare, but how many people are actually willing to see a therapist or psychiatrist? How many have the money or the resources? How many actually REALIZE that what they're experiencing might be WRONG or BAD?



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What I am curious about, if one accepts it as mystical in nature, then what
engages it?

How does " a spirit" co- habitate an individual?

Would the inhabiting " spirit" be of a person that died?

So many questions are raised by mystical implications concluded as the origin of your case.

I would recomened for your personal review, to arrange to video yourself for intermitent periods, to assess your shifts.



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Quite honestly, I have no idea what would cause that accept for the abuse that causes DID. From what I understand, none of my friends have been abused in such a way.

The only thing I could think to cause it is that others who've had it for most of their lives or all of their lives is that they're born that way. Maybe it happens to those who've somehow developed a higher brain capacity. (Though I truly don't think that applies to myself because I have a memory of a goldfish.)

Dabbler, I have to be honest. I can't honestly TELL you how a spirit co-inhabits and individual or why because I don't honestly know. I don't know what causes it or why it's only certain people.

I myself don't go through shifts because the souls with me cannot in any way, shape, nor form, take control of my body. They are most often with me just not inhabiting me. Their more of a presence in my room or in my mind that I'm always conscious of. I created my own little world in my mind where they stay a lot of the times...

Honestly, that was another reason for my posting this thread. In hopes of some new ideas or something resembling answers though I knew true ANSWERS were highly unlikely...

I intend on researching it all.



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Here's my two cents, for what it's worth.

DID is a psychological condition that usually is brought on by early childhood trauma. This has been mentioned before, but I think it's best to make that perfectly clear. No boogeymen coming to steal into your subconscious can create this type of condition; possession and DID are two entirely different subjects. The only way I can see the two merging is if some entity stole in to take the beatings for you and then hung around the rest of your life, but even then, that is not the workings of your own mind and would only give the appearance of DID.

I'm a little wary of doing this, but in the spirit of "fuck it, why not", here goes.

A few weeks ago I read something on an online forum that a close friend of mine and I frequent. This is one of those RL friends, I've known her since I was fifteen, and now suddenly I feel old. Anyway. So anyway, this forum. She posted an update for something very important about a tough situation in her life that she had not told me yet. A little hurt, a little confused that she would post something like that in a forum of strangers before telling one of her best friends, I called her and asked her about it.

Turns out, she had told me. She and I went over to a mutual friend of ours house and talked for awhile about it. I still remember nothing about it.

Oh, faux pas.

It's hideously embarrassing. One of my friends once told me that it feels like they're the only one in the friendship because I "forget" so many things. And to not remember something like that, something that affects so deeply someone I love? It's horrifying.

It's just something to think about the next time someone says "Hey, wanna talk with my alter?" and they're able to command a new personality to come out and play. It reeks of role-playing. Reeks like my roommate's kitty litter box closet, because he doesn't know how to take care of cats.



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i thought she said her friends were a full demon and a half demon or was that another thread???



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I understand, Arunima, but again, I really did only use DID as a starting point or common ground.

As far as I understand, my one friend hasn't HAD any childhood trauma. NO, she isn't possessed. I suppose you could put it that way but I personally wouldn't. And you're right, it really isn't the workings of your own mind.

But I DO want to stress, it isn't possession. It's not possession for me nor my friends. It's the mutual sharing of one's body... honestly, if you really want to, you COULD make them leave but it'd be extremely difficult because a bond has already solidly formed. When I say bond I mean... say... you use one of those incredibly powerful glues that can bond instantly to your skin. It's like trying to pry whatever you may have glued onto yourself with that kinda glue OFF. These beings, as far as I can tell you, are in fact, quite real... the only difference is they don't have a body of their own in THIS world.

Yes, I sound crazy. Yes, I know most won't believe me but... the more I actually talk about this... the more I myself have become very comfortable with it... My personal beliefs is that these beings chose to come to me for the reason that I've known them in some past lives and that they wished to help me now... Yes, they ARE lovers to me in a sense and that's the reason I consider myself poly. Yes one is a demon and the other is half-demon but it honestly means nothing. Just means they sometimes have a short temper. Yes they both were very evil at one point in their existence. Well... evil as most perceive evil would be. But they are very decent people and souls now and only try to help everyone they come into contact with.

If you want full out details of my experiences, I can give them to you. They aren't honestly experiences... just... life for me... It's my everyday life of talking to them... Being around them... closing my eyes and being able to see them... Feeling their energy and their presence...

I may sound completely crazy, psychotic, insane, mental... however you want to put it... but for me they are very real... I know there are other people like me... and I'm a functioning member of society... I harm no one... I keep to myself and my schoolwork... I intend to be a hardworking person through my life... and to try and help others...



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One thing you may want to consider, is a journal for your personal accounts, frequency of episodes, the progression of the encounters, notable shifts in personality, after, and during encounters.



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Dabbler, I actually HAVE a journal I was keeping for a while on the half-demon that's with me. I made notes of his personality and any changes that he shows. I will most likely pick that back up within the week. And as I said, the experiences are just life for me.

I don't honestly HAVE episodes because it's a constant constant thing. They're always with me. And again, they've never taken control of my body. If they say anything to people it's only through me typing it out for them online or me saying FOR them. They cannot fully communicate with anyone else unless I tell someone what they're saying.

I don't have shifts in personality, I am honestly typically the same accept for the fact that I think I've become somewhat moody (or if you want, bi-polar though I've never been clinically diagnosed) with the strain that these entities have put on my mind.



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Very interesting thread; I knew someone that was very much like this, lol my ex wife, However she is one of the sweetest people in the world and still a dear friend to me. Often I saw what appeared to be two very different personalities. I noted that often they did come and go with emotional state of being, or stressful situations. I know in here case this actually turned out to be a medical condition. She had some issues with her thyroid gland and needed surgery to resolve it. On a personal note I don’t believe this to only be tied to medical conditions and keep an open mind to any possibility. Demons, spirits, possession and so on. I have often questioned schizophrenia and how some times treatment helps and often it doesn’t. It does pose some interesting scenarios



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If an individual was so afflicted, I would be very supportive of any alternative
Interpretation they adopted to rationalize said experience, while psycollogy
And psycietruy are with in there respective fields, any one who adjust
Their personal designation is a progressive in my book!

Coping with such conditions is notably applicable.



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I've always been too stubborn to let others help me. If there's something wrong with my mind, I very much intend to figure it out on my own because I don't think the worlds of psychiatry and psychology are open to said things such as how maybe there's a greater purpose to it other than, "something's messed up with my brain." It's wrong to stop there, in my opinion.

I guarantee, you WILL see my name as one of the top researchers for cases like my own. There's a way to use this strange thing to one's advantage and I want to help show that to the one's who have it.

Maybe I sound like a nutcase... maybe not... But again, this is my life, and I've accepted it. I believe this has happened to me and those around me for a reason and I hope to one day find out what it is.



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Well in my primary school we were asked to make up imaginary friends, it's just a game the kids at school were asked to take part in by a teacher, i often think this was way out of the norm haha, one of my friends made one up straight out of the blue. He even gave it a special voice and a name it was called watertoad lmfao, well as time passed he used to joke about making more characters up with little rimes they would say, as different characters, i think it's hilarious.

People do this for humour, but unfortunately there are people on this site who try to bring cheerful joking minded people down, this being for a few reasons, one being they are boring, the other they are putting themselves above others to feed their own insecuritys.

I do think people have mental disorders, but often people joke too, so try to find a balance between the two and not label a cheerful joker as having a mental disorder, coz that form of psycological abuse wont stick, it will just make it obvious the person with no sense of humour is a depressive person



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You know how easy it is to be labled, medically, with such a disorder? Hey ladies, if you color your hair... better watch out. Yes, I had a counselor in highschool lable me with this because I liked to change the style and color of my hair. She told me as much. And it wasn't becuase my inside friend Steve (just making that up to make a point) told me to color it. I just liked to see what I new things I could do with my hair. I would find out the circumstances to your friends MPD's. Whether they labled themselves this or if a Doctor did.



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.. how about: we all have it, to a greater or lesser degree, allowing these selves to dictate our responses.

[I'm thinking Joharis quadrant and our hidden selves when I suggest this.]



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Incidentally ~ why is this thread so different from dabbler's madness thread, or my previous bi-polar thread??

[Am asking 'coz I had to wait 30 days before creating a similarly themed thread.]



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Yes, I understand a lot of people are joking, Dracken, but the number of people I know aren't.

WolfWhisperer, none of my friends have ever been diagnosed as having MPD, AGAIN, I will say, I was using it as common ground.

I know my friends very well. They've never even identified themselves as having MPD or DID. I used that as an example. As a way of helping myself explain how it is for myself and the people I know personally. I'm not saying that we all actually HAVE this disorder. I'm saying that whatever is going on, it is similar, and yes, most likely, a doctor would say that it MAY be classified as that... I pay more attention to my friends than most would. When they told me about this thing... how they had other people within their own bodies, they never once related it to MPD or DID. If you pay attention, you can see it...

Please, I know it's tedious but people, could you at least go through and read the posts I've made myself... there's honestly no point in responding to a thread unless you want to learn something yourself.


The suggestions that have been given to me so far, are ALL very very good ones. They really are and I enjoy reading through all the responses I've gotten. And I know you've no way to know that... every response I've gotten, I've already thought of it myself AND looked into it and studied those around me. Save for the demonic possession. And even that, I looked a little into because another of my friends refers to it as that himself. All of your suggestions are very simple and yes, I've thought about them all. And discarder each one as I saw fit.



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I agree very much with Angelus. Thank you. It's VERY possible we all have it simply depending on the degree at which we do.

As for why this thread wasn't cut short... I'm not sure... Dabbler's madness thread focuses more on, "what do you consider to be insane". Bi-polar is completely different from MPD or DID for the simple fact that, it's not your moods changing, but your personalities. I knew no others have posted a thread like this one, which is why I thought I was safe.



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..not suggesting for a moment it doesn't belong, but I can see a distinct similarity between all three.

..and, the reason for including mention of the Joharis Quadrant is that it acts as an idicator of self, hidden self and, da-dah, projected self.

..ergo, I'm pupporting the idea, that the characters and names, labels, masks we choose to use, are adaptive, to our hidden & not so hidden desires.



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Some statistics on this.Also Im thinking that while we might know our friends really well,we dont know everything they might or might not have been through.I've also been looking into brain mapping of mpd/did and I am finding some pretty good stuff that I will post .And a few things pretaining to the spiritual aspect.
90.2% had been sexually abused, 82.4% physically abused, and 95.1% subjected to one or both forms of child abuse…..” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2044042?dopt=Abstract



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A small example of what the leading researchers and their studies are finding up to this point.

Signs and symptoms of dissociative identity disorder in childhood and adulthood were corroborated independently and from several sources in all 12 cases; objective evidence of severe abuse was obtained in 11 cases. The subjects had amnesia for most of the abuse and underreported it. Marked changes in writing style and/or signatures were documented in 10 cases. CONCLUSIONS: This study establishes, once and for all, the linkage between early severe abuse and dissociative identity disorder.”





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2009-09-24 15 Birnbaum MH, Thomann K. Visual function in multiple personality disorder. J Am Optom Assoc. 1996 Jun;67(6):327-34 “BACKGROUND: Multiple personality disorder (MPD) is characterized by the existence of two or more personality states that recurrently exchange control over the behavior of the individual. Numerous reports indicate physiological differences, including significant differences in ocular and visual function, across alter personality states in MPD.
METHODS: The existing literature was reviewed to provide an overview of the nature and characteristics of MPD, with emphasis on reported physiologic and ocular differences across alter personalities. In addition, a case is reported of an MPD patient seen over a 3-year period.
RESULTS: Physiologic differences across alter personality states in MPD include differences in dominant handedness, response to the same medication, allergic sensitivities, autonomic and endocrine function, EEG, VEP, and regional cerebral blood flow. Differences in visual function include variability in visual acuity, refraction, oculomotor status, visual field, color vision, corneal curvature, pupil size, and intraocular pressure in the various personality states of MPD subjects as compared to single personality controls.
CONCLUSIONS: The possibility of MPDs should be considered in patients who demonstrate unusual variability in ocular and visual findings, particularly with a positive psychiatric history. The existence of visual and other physiologic differences across alter personalities in MPD offers a unique potential for the study of mind-body relationships.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8888853

16 Miller SD. Optical differences in cases of multiple personality disorder. J Nerv Ment Dis. 1989 Aug;177(8):480-6 “MPD subjects had significantly more variability in visual functioning across alter personalities than did control subjects.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2760599
17 Miller SD, Blackburn T, Scholes G, White GL, Mamalis N. Optical differences in multiple personality disorder. A second look. J Nerv Ment Dis. 1991 Mar;179(3):132-5. “In the present study, data from 20 patients diagnosed with MPD and 20 control subjects role playing MPD were analyzed for statistical and clinical significance. The findings from the present study appear to confirm results from the earlier study that individuals with MPD experience differences in some aspects of visual functioning between alter personalities. The results further confirm that MPD subjects experience more differences across visual measures than control subjects simulating the disorder.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1997659

18 Putnam FW, Zahn TP, Post RM. Psychiatry Res. 1990 Mar;31(3):251-60.Differential autonomic nervous system activity in multiple personality disorder. “Numerous clinical reports suggest that these alter personality states exhibit distinct physiological differences. We investigated differential autonomic nervous system (ANS) activity across nine subjects with MPD and five controls, who produced “alter” personality states by simulation and by hypnosis or deep relaxation. Eight of the nine MPD subjects consistently manifested physiologically distinct alter personality states.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2333357

19 Miller SD, Triggiano PJ. The psychophysiological investigation of multiple personality disorder: review and update. Am J Clin Hypn. 1992 Jul;35(1):47-

61. “psychophysiologic differences reported in the literature include changes in cerebral electrical activity, cerebral blood flow, galvanic skin response, skin temperature, event-related potentials, neuroendocrine profiles, thyroid function, response to medication, perception, visual functioning, visual evoked potentials, and in voice, posture, and motor behavior.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1442640
20 Hughes JR, Kuhlman DT, Fichtner CG, Gruenfeld MJ. Brain mapping in a case of multiple personality. Clin Electroencephalogr. 1990 Oct;21(4):200-9. “Brain maps were recorded on a patient with a multiple personality disorder (10 alternate personalities). Maps were recorded with eyes open and eyes closed during 2 different sessions, 2 months apart. Maps from each alternate personality were compared to those of the basic personality “S”, some maps were similar and some were different, especially with eyes open. Findings that were replicated in the second session showed differences from 4 personalities, especially in theta and beta 2 frequencies on the left temporal and right posterior regions.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2225470


21 Coons PM, Bowman ES, Milstein V. Multiple personality disorder. A clinical investigation of 50 cases. J Nerv Ment Dis. 1988 Sep;176(9):519-27. “50 consecutive patients with DSM-III multiple personality disorder were assessed using clinical history, psychiatric interview, neurological examination, electroencephalogram, MMPI, intelligence testing, and a variety of psychiatric rating scales. Results revealed that patients with multiple personality are usually women who present with depression, suicide attempts, repeated amnesic episodes, and a history of childhood trauma, particularly sexual abuse….These data suggest that the etiology of multiple personality is strongly related to childhood trauma rather than to an underlying electrophysiological dysfunction.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3418321

It is pretty evident that something "real" is going on.




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i was diagnoised with Dissociative Identity Disorder.at age 13. it was hard to be aroud friends at the time they kept telling that sometimes it was like they didt know me at all



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As you have gotten older have any of the personalities blended ?Also,have you found any benefits in having this?



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both fiancee had suffered filial abuse; some of that sounds like it gels to my ears Oceanne. spot-on.



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Thank you very kindly for the information, Oceanne. Very helpful. I would also like to say, I knew two people who WERE in fact abused as children like you wouldn't believe, and yes, they blocked it all out. Though I was there with them through a few flashbacks so I knew.

I understand, there could be any number of things they aren't telling me... but, based on my opinion and evidence, I don't believe that a few certain of my friends WERE abused as such. Of course there are links between abuse and DID or MPD. But I'm saying not literally EVERY SINGLE CASE is linked to abuse. Yes, most are. Not all.

Thank you all for your input. I must admit, I am discouraged. You don't seem to have faith that I HAVE literally thought of everything you've been suggesting. I still study it all very closely, just in case. Hell, for all I know, I was abused when I was younger too. I know I wasn't though. As for my friends, I have great reasons to believe certain ones weren't. I still keep my eyes and mind open, but I have my own beliefs and observations.



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You're most welcome.Something I might say is that while YOU might have thought of these things,there are those who might not have.And hey,it never hurts to go over things again.Sometimes we find something that ticks,when it didnt tick before.And of course,it doesnt have to be abuse that caused this.No one understands it all.
Let me ask you,for those few,youself included,what ,in all your searching have you come across that you feel it might be? If anything? Do you feel it might be different souls?



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You're right about that. Thank you again, for all the information.

And as for myself and those certain few... Yes, I do believe they're all different souls. I truly do. I believe mine have come from some otherworldly place to help me along in my life as well as simply to be with me. I believe I've known them in past lives. I believe that there's some reason... some... weird... reason that they are with me... and... Angelus brought up a very good point before... I believe it's very possible that everyone has these people with them... maybe they just aren't as aware of it as others... Kind of like how some people believe everyone has a guardian angel... they ARE in a way, guardians. They help you through everyday life and help you and teach you how to deal... maybe some people just have a greater capacity for it... maybe not...

If you could feel what I feel... their presence and light and energy when they're around... The instant feeling of relaxation every time they come back from being away for a bit... Or the incredible fear that they might NOT come back after being away for a while... They each hold their own thoughts and feelings... each speak differently, act differently... I hold a very VERY firm belief that they are true souls.



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Thats fair enough.Have you found any information that might lend some credence to that line of thought? Im thinking of some things I had heard a long time agao and read about.Im trying to remember,so I could bring it here.Mostly it pretiained to animal souls within us etc..



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See the way I have always thought of that is that its one body,one soul.I think that if perhaps there are two souls,an embryo will split into twins and so on and so forth..



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I wouldn't say that you are exactly crazy. And I also believe that if someone truly has multiple personality disorder, would they really know that they had these other personalities? I'm just curious as I've never met anyone with this disorder. But I do think it is very real to these people, otherwise it wouldn't be in the Diagnostic Manual for Mental Disorders.



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sometimes they are a where of the other personalitys but most of the time there is one demoten one
each personality helps deal with different sicuations they might be in



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.. there's a manual??

Methinks those who live with these things inevitably know more than any Frakkin books..



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I've met a couple people who truly AREN'T aware of it. Or at least they weren't at one point and then they DID become aware. It's very interesting and very odd.



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I'm curious, what enabled you to be aware of their duality?



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When speaking to someone who has DID, it's painfully easy to see. As I stated before, they act nothing like the main personality. As for how they became aware of it themselves... I assume they just... began to realize it... the personalities began working together and so they remember and hear each other's thoughts... Not that the personalities blended.



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..when I'm in the company of others, I look for the identifier, that thing which connects me to that person, could you not be doing a similar thing?



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The people themselves eventually tell me about it... It's not the same for all of them but yes, they do eventually tell me about it without me ever having brought it up myself. I'm not imagining something that isn't there.



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although.. we do seek connection, that way I didn't infer you were.. I was proposing an alternate hypothisis. no more. kinda like transposition.



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although sometimes people act out, it is good writing material. think of all the actors.



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I, personally, am no actor. You can ask anyone. I'm horrible at it. Yes, some people may be acting but who... who REALLY would WANT to say, "Oh, by the way, there are people in my head?" No one does. Not if their in their right mind.

It took an immense amount of will power to make myself post this... I knew and expected th skepticism. I knew I'd get ridiculed, though I hoped I wouldn't.

*smiles* The thing is... I know people who are like me... I know, with my heart, I'm not crazy and neither are they... And even if I were crazy, I'm not entirely sure I care. I'm quite healthy and quite smart. *shrugs* I harm no one and help as many other people as I can.



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.. why the emphasis on the word crazy?
Fukkit, like it's relevant? It's not!



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I'm really getting sick of that word. You're not crazy, you're different. They can get over it or they can go kill themselves. *shrugs*



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If being determined to be ones self, in a society with constant morphing standards is crazy.. then I am beyond crazy..



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I think we can safely say that this has been determined to be a mental disorder if you will,and that most of the cases manifest due to some kind of trauma.In light of your belief in that it is a combination of souls in one body,it would be pretty kool to see if there might be a way to find out if thats what it is.The trouble I have with all this is that I am under the impression, one soul/one body.Im just not so sure the human body could support more than one because ,since they come and go at different times(like a time share condo) how could one be whole that way.I've also known a few who claim as much but have known only one diganosed case..the one I postsed about.And like you,she was smart and wasnt "crazy" as you put it.



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Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (also known as DSM IV) is a book that doctors, mostly psychiatrists, use to diagnose and treat people with mental disorders.

Anyway, also, wouldn't the person eventually find out by being told by their immediate family members and friends? Eventually these people would notice these behaviors and make the person aware of it!



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I always figured that an Alter ego was more a way of coping with the circumstances that you find yourself in. Some seem to be able to deal with life if they see themself in a different form then who they currently are. This use to be my fullest thought on the matter, tho my opinion has been shifting over the years as i deal with my own "split personalities"



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I use crazy because it's a term everyone knows, and whether they will admit it or not, they've identified with at one point in time...

I do not and will not believe that this is a mental disorder in EVERY case. Most, yes, but definitely not all.

The souls would be complete. I can't quite think of how to describe it though... It's like... How an engine needs all of its parts in order to run properly. Without even one of those parts, the entire thing breaks down.

Like with many things, there may never be a way to PROVE it until after we all die and know... And maybe not even then.

I wasn't sure a human body could house more than one soul either. It seems illogical and like it would literally break the body and the person's mind down. But some people seem to thrive on it... or... the few I've met...

A case doesn't have to be diagnosed to be true. I was never diagnosed and neither were any of the people I know save for 2. Just because they weren't, doesn't make what's happening to them any less real. I understand there's no way YOU yourself can know for sure unless you actually met them in person and could see it for yourself. But that's just it. You have to decide it for yourself, not let some psychiatrist decide it for you.

In my own opinion, psychiatrists don't help. The best they do is prescribe you pills, literally experimenting with what will work best. They sedate you. Instead of helping you learn how to deal with it, they drug you up and send you on your merry way.

I will be honest, the drugs can help more than counseling ever could sometimes... Not always but sometimes.

To each his own, I suppose.



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I'd have to disagree with you on that one.
My doctors have helped me out quite a bit.
It doesn't get rid of everything but the medication helps to even me out and I'm finally able to sleep.
By talking to my counselors I'm able to get over bits of my past at different points in time.
I don't have to worry about everything being forced on me because I've got the help I need and a wonderful boyfriend who knows my condition and supports me fully.
If your doctors and medication aren't helping you then you need to find new ones.
Just because it doesn't help you doesn't mean that it doesn't help others.
I'm bi polar class two with split personality disorder and severe ptsd and my doctors and medication DO help me.
I can talk when I need to, get a second, third, or even a fourth opinion on anything I'm not sure about.
The voices and seeing things hasn't gone away but they're more quiet now.
I'm still getting my medication dealt with and readjusted, sure. Sometimes, the talking doesn't help.
Sometimes, they tell me things that make me angry or depressed about the situation or stuff that I don't want to hear.
It's all part of the process. They can't heal you, they can't cure you, but they can help make it bearable.
I'm tired of everyone saying that it doesn't help.
It's such a generalization. It may not help YOU or SOME but it DOES help a great number more than what you are talking about.
I can sleep, I can be out in society, I can talk to people without wondering whether or not it was they that asked me something or the voices.
And no, I'm not crazy.
Most of this is because of trauma I've suffered and I've suffered through a lot.
But it's made me who I am today. This doesn't have to be a bad thing.



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I'm sorry to have offended you but I wasn't saying they don't help ANYONE. I just happen to have seen a large number of people that... well... that it hadn't helped in the least. I wasn't trying to generalize. I was saying, in my own opinion. I also said that they CAN help.

I'm sorry for the misunderstanding, but as I said, I've watched a lot of people suffer MORE because they think there's something wrong and they didn't GET good doctors. And around here, it's very difficult to FIND good doctors. Yes, it all helps a great deal of people but it can also destroy a great deal of people. There are good aspects and bad aspects to everything.

With a few people I know, the help they got was horrible and only made things worse. They even said themselves that it would have helped had they had a better doctor.

Again, I was speaking in my own opinion and my own perspective. I refuse to "get help" because I want to deal with it on my own. Just how I wish to deal and it works well. It has made me stronger, as how you've dealt with it has made YOU stronger.

Again, I wasn't generalizing, I was speaking from opinion. I can see both sides of it quite well. The good and the bad. I just happened to have witnessed more bad than good. But I DO KNOW there IS good.



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Maybe they were also diagnosed wrong. If they were, the medications they were given wouldn't have worked at all.
It's like giving anti-depressants to those who actually need mood stabilizers. The anti-depressants actually make them crazier and that's what leads to the more suicides on those medications. It's not the people, it's the diagnoses.
Like me.... they tried giving me Xanex before diagnosing me as bi polar. I got more depressed and angry to the point that I blacked out and tried to kill my sergeant and then myself. That's what landed me in the hospital and getting the proper diagnoses and medication.



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