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Delilah22
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Many of us know Claudia from Interview with a vampire.
A beautiful little girl with pale skin, sharp fangs and a lust for blood.

A vampire child, but are they fictional or do we come across them in real life too.

Digging into some of my previous work, I came across the topic of real vampire children, and felt like sharing it.

Throughout history there are stories of children born with teeth and had an allergic reaction to sunlight.

The teeth especially, caused some problem in breastfeeding, because they would often bite through the skin, and blood would be mixed with the milk, and leaving the mother in a great deal of pain. When a vampire child was discovered, the house would be blessed and the infant burned.

Thanks to modern civilisation this cruelty has been put to an end, and scientists have come up with a proper diagnose on Vampire children.

The condition is called xeroderma pigmentosum ( skin with lack of pigment ) and it is one of the most rare.

It is a genetic disease, and the persons skin has an extraordinary sensitivity to sunlight, that something so common as going to the playground or off to buy groceries during the day, is almost impossible, because an ordinary expose to sunlight will result in development of skin cancer at a very early age.

So the Vampire children can only play outside safely after nightfall, which will later have the effect of anti socialisation, and not being able to adapt into various situations.
Persons born with XP is not necessarily born with teeth as well.

Let me know what you think.




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Very interesting I have heard of the skin condition where the children are unable to go out in the daylight but not about the teeth and definatly not the history of how these children used to be treated.



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It's amazing to think how back in the day, people would rather conjure up some fairytale about vampires rather than try and figure out why children are born with skin-anomalies and/or fangs.

I recall long ago seeing a show on TV about a family in the USA that cannot go out in daylight, coz of their sensitive skin. They basically had a hard time living, the dad worked from home, the mom looked after her two children... and they could only venture out at night and buy groceries from stores that were open 24 hours. It was a strange exsitence, but when you have that kind of condition, there's not much you can do.

Lotte, this was a great article and a very interesting one at that.



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21:02:15 Apr 04 2006
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the teeth could be an old illness that ocurred thruout europe at the time of superstition where it causes the gums to shrink back from the teeth making them appear longer and sharper,the illness often made the victim lethargic and the eyes sensitive to light through lack of sleep.........there may be a bridge between Viruses



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This post was a very interesting read! I've heard of children being born with a skin allergy to sunlight but didn't know there was an actual diagnosis for it. And btw, I love Claudia...she was an evil vamp child, but she was still great! lol



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Very interesting and sad at the same time i feel bad for the kids that have to deal with it and the mother and father who have to try to explane to otheres why them never seen the kids outside in the day it hard for me to get my point a cross so i will just say it sad



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Delilah22
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good theory caedwin... but it XP has been proven to passed down the bloodline ( you geneticly inherritage it)



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i've seen a tv thing on this they have special night camps and activities for the children to meet other children and play outside supervised.



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To add to your article....

A Look at Porphyria :

A group of disorders
There are seven disorders (some say eight) that fall under the general name porphyria. All involve deficiency in the enzymes involved in the synthesis of a substance in the body called heme, which is found in large amounts in the bone marrow, red blood cells, and liver. This enzyme deficiency allows normal body chemicals called porphyrins to accumulate in toxic amounts in the body.
Acute and non-acute types
In the past, the porphyrias were divided into groups based on the site of the porphyrin production (hepatic or erythropoietic). Other clinicians classified them by whether there were effects on the person's skin or not (cutaneous porphyria).

Today, the porphyrias are usually divided into acute or non-acute types. Acute porphyrias produce attacks of pain and neurological effects which are severe and appear rapidly. Acute types include acute intermittent porphyria, ALAD-deficiency porphyria, variegate porphyria, and hereditary coproporphyria. The non-acute types are porphyria cutanea tarda, and hepatoerythopoietic and congenital erythropoietic porphyrias.
Acute porphyrias
Acute intermittent porphyria (AIP) is the most severe kind of porphyria, with attacks developing over several hours or several days. Most individuals who inherit the gene for AIP never develop symptoms, and there are factors that are known to bring on attacks that susceptible people can avoid. Certain drugs, for example, are known to bring on or worsen attacks, as well as drinking alcohol, dieting, and hormonal changes. An attack often includes severe abdominal pain and constipation, and may include nausea, vomiting, pain in the back, arms, and legs, muscle weakness, and even rapid heartbeat, confusion, and seizures.

Many times a first attack of AIP may be misdiagnosed, and the medications given may just make things worse for the patient. Treatment should include a high calorie diet, although why this helps relieve an attack scientists aren't quite sure. Heme therapy can be administered intravenously. Symptoms usually resolve after an attack, but some patients develop nerve damage.

The other acute porphyrias have symptoms similar to AIP. ALAD-deficiency porphyria is extremely rare. In hereditary coproporphyria, skin photosensitivity may also be a symptom. Variegate porphyria is most common in the white population of South Africa, and it may also include skin symptoms as well as acute attacks.

Non-acute porphyrias
Porphyria cutanea tarda (PCT), a non-acute disorder, is the most common of the porphyrias, and is acquired (develops in an individual from outside factors). Factors such as iron, alcohol, hepatitis C virus, estrogens (like in birth control pills), and possibly smoking, combine to cause an enzyme deficiency in the liver, leading to PCT.

"Cutanea" refers to the symptoms of PCT, which are on the skin. When exposed to the sun, the skin blisters, and the skin may thicken and darken. PCT is considered the most treatable porphyria. Once symptoms start to show, removing one pint of blood from the patient every one to two weeks (up to 5 or 6 pints of blood total) removes iron from the liver and offers relief. PCT usually does not recur after treatment.

Congenital erythropoietic porphyria (CEP), also known as Gunther's disease, is extremely rare. Unfortunately, its skin symptoms may be severe. Sun exposure may lead to blistering, scarring, and increased hair growth. Affected skin may harbor bacteria, and facial features and fingers may be lost through sun damage and infection. Hepatoerythropoietic porphyria is very rare, and similar to CEP in its symptoms of skin blistering.

A disorder related to the porphyrias is erythropoietic protoporphyria (EPP). In EPP, protoporphyrin accumulates in the bone marrow, red blood cells and sometimes the liver. Symptoms show on the skin after exposure to sunlight: swelling, burning, itching, and redness. Blistering and scarring are less common than in other porphyrias with skin symptoms.

Porphyria genes identified
Chromosome mapping in recent years has identified all the genes involved in the defective enzymes in the porphyrias. This means that DNA testing can identify people who carry one of these defective genes. Only a few laboratories in the world, however, currently do this type of testing. Prenatal diagnosis of congenital erythropoietic porphyria has been done, as well as successful gene therapy for both CEP and EPP. No doubt it will only be a matter of time before other successful therapies are developed, especially to relieve or prevent the acute porphyrias.

Article is from About.com

Information for this article was taken from:
- The American Porphyria Foundation
- Keung, Y-K, Chuahirun, T., & Cobos, E. (2000). Acute intermittent porphyria with seizure and paralysis in the puerperium. J Am Board Fam Pract, vol. 13, no. 1, 76-79.
- Lim, H. W.,& Cohen, J. L. (1999). The cutaneous porphyrias. Semin Cutan Med Surg, vol. 18, no. 4, 285-292.



Another good site is http://www.porphyriafoundation.com/index.html

Seems to have the most current information.



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AngelicDarkness
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I think I saw the same thing on TV. Personally, I would feel sorry for the breastfeeding moms, the goodies are sore anyways.



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Delilah22
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I know about pophyria or the vampire desease, I have made a post in another thread as a replay.. I avoided this on purpose, eventhough it is in the original article I wrote, but thank you anyway for adding it, eventhough it is taken of a website..



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a good and interesting read lotte!! and off course people would lead this to be the sign of the supernatural, as the people in the middle ages were uneducated and leed by a church which needed to strengthen their hold on the power and which better way was there than to take something you don´t understand and blame it on the "enemy" to bring the mobs together under your control!!



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Its good to know that there are more people looking into the science of historic vampire lore.

Jens, I do have a reponse for you as to why it people were so quick to jump to superstition. Back then there was very little in the way of science many men of science were considered "witches" and killed (example, Galileo). Therefore the people could not rely on science like we can. The church ruled most of the land and what they said went. They knew that science was threat to their system and therefore told everyone it was evil.



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Bottomofthefoodchain
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galileo ws´nt killed merely blinded and dragged before the poope and under threat of death was forced to reverse his statement and afterwards put under housearrest for the rest of his life1!!



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XkissXmeXwithXfangsX
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vampire children. hum thats a very good ?... but yes i beleve that they are out there in this deep delerious world of our just waiting to b discovered. they are crying our name...let us be found.......i guess wewill find out someday..........



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Delilah22
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so true botfc.. toda, anything can be turned into something supernatural..

but luckily science is working on demystify some of the old myths..

I wrote the original article in 1999 as a classproject, but the interview with an XP person inspired me to do more research into the topic.



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Delilah22
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of cause they are out there.. this is a documented condition..



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thats very good resarch i knew someone with xp when i was lil



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Famous one liner here lol.
I know they exist I own one he is on my profile lmao.



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love the topic hot read



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great info TXTs



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djsquared
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Wasn't this on muary povich's talk show?



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ARIDAI
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I also saw a tv show about these type of children born with allergies to the sun. They do have special meetings and camps at night for the children to socialize.

I always felt drawn to the darkness of night and cant seem to have enough energy during daylight hours, but was not born with this illness. I however had at one point in my life a second set of teeth where vampire fangs would be growing out over top of my normal teeth and they grew outward and downward over my other teeth. Sharp at first and people said i looked like a vampire, until these teeth pushed the others out finally and started to dull down from grinding on the others. I was 13 at the time.



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Delilah22
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Yes the desease has been on various ridiculus talkshows, and has been used in movie themes.

But unfirtunatley there are people who will use this condition for an easy penny, but facts are that there are no documented cure yet, not enough reseach has been done, so I thought this would be a good place to inform about it, as well as porphyria.



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Delilah22
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just pointing out.

people with XP are not drawn towards the night, and they do not neccisarily feel drained of energy during daytime..
On the contrary.... the person I interviewed actualy told me he was longing to go out in the daylight and do what other people are doing.



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Its Up To Now I Hea About This..
I Have A Skin Allergie Where I Cant Be Out In The Sun For A Long Time.
Its Until Now I Hear About All These Other Kind Of Skin Disorders...

Very Intresting Topic



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LiLu
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VEry interesting post thank you for sharing..


I also work with an Albino child in my daycare... Albinos can not be in the sun for a long time or they break out in terrible blisters...Also her eyes are violite due to lack of pigment, But the little girl is just adorable..



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Delilah22
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Most kids are in general..



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that was very intresting, good thread...



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Breast feeding must be tough :)



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Good read. Dean Koontz wrote, i think, 2 books about a boy with XP. Loved the story.



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Ravensgirl
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I Think this interesting



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Demagorgon
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I once knew a man who had that skin anomaly



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Delilah22
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There are a lot of skin conditions known. but I am also interested to ask if anyone who reads this thread knows someone with XP or similar conditions, and if you do, how does it affect your friendship/relationship?



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wow that was really interesting, but i personaly dont know anyone who has that.



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i have to tell you i was a natural born vampire, born with the teeth....my mom was bitten when she was pregnant.....but i can walk in the sun....but not as normal people, i get blood in my eyes and get sick quickly so thus i wear sunglasses....



Night Man.




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Since I am a book worm, especally when I was pregnant with my first child, I read several places that children can be born with teeth but shold have them pulled to make sure it doesn't mess with the formation of their jaw. My son was not born with teeth even though now he has fangs:) Loves to bite so we are dealing with that now that he is in school. He is learning to keep he's teeth to himself.LOL.
Great read! Very interesting.



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I find that very intersting!



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Killer666
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cool movie



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yeah.... I know such a "vampire child"..... and have seen a few walking in the park at night..... I`m kinda sorry for them....



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Wow. I never knew that was the proper name for the illness. I've heard about people with rare skin conditions and that they shouldn't be in the sun but I never knew the damage it could do.



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Delilah22
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well canibalisticlove, the reason for that is, that the condition was only given the name XP about 10 years ago.



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Olwen
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I have heared of children with an aversion to light, but i havent heared of any children with fangs and such.



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Delilah22
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I have hearad about it in folklore, that was the reason I started researching it... I guess folklore mostly builds on real facts.



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some babies just bite when breast feeding..............i know my niece did, and i know she's not a vampire.



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Delilah22
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he he..... having fangs or XP does not make you a vampire, but it gives a scientific explanation to the Vampire phenomenon.....



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lucidnightmare
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i beg the def if you got fangs then ur a vampire.



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Delilah22
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not necessesarily..... it is only if you take Hollywood to serious....



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tis just a book my love



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mcrgurl16, could you be a tad more precise please? what is just a book??



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I'm gonna reply to this one...

If you follow the "RULES" according to Vampires in The Vampire Chronicles (by Anne Rice) KIDS shouldn't be given the dark blood.

Why?

They don't know enough like ADULTS do. And besides, it's pretty much weird to look at or EVEN think a girl (like Claudia) of 10 would be 10 forever.

That.



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Delilah22
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vampiree rules.. It is an illness. XP and children born with teeth, I mean, this was what the thread originally was about... A scientific explanation on the phenomenon Vampire Children. but tnx for posting the book rules..



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wow you can learn a lot in these threads. Thanks for the lesson about this skin disorder.



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When thinking back through history and how certain people were perceived and labeled...and now to find that such cases involved scientific reasoning, like those afflicted with Porphyria - does throw a different light on such.



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How is XP different from Albinoism?



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Delilah22
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Albinos are people born without pigmententation, and for some unxplained reason, the center in the brain that produces pigment does not work, so they cannot get a tan.. Albinos skin is like XP very delicate, but they can tolerate a larger amount of sun, than XP patients, who is completely allergic to sunshine.. this is the best way I can think of to explain it, thank you for asking...



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I have read and seen several documentaries regarding children w/that disease. I agree though if you follow the rules of Anne Rice..children should not be. Hell it's tough enough as an adult.



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Delilah22
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just a question then.. what have Anne Rice in common with science? sure she writes good books, but the fact is that this is a disease people are born with, hence Vampire children, because they are children before they become adults.

so yes children with this disease are, or at least was, known as vampire children.

so I do not see the point of a set of rules taken from a book fits in.



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Very interesting. Maybe Vampirism is a mix of myth and genes. It could very well be a genetic trait!



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Hmmmm....well that makes you think! Nice read... thanks for sharing!!


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that is really sad. A child that cannot go out in the daylight hours so that means they cannot go out and play like other children. So they probably feel very isolated and different from everyone else.

makes me sad.



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My 8 month old son was a biter from the very beginning. He got his first tooth already... he is quite the little vapire. I think vampire children are adorable.



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Delilah22
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all kids are adorable..so carefree...



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Stating the case of claudia I think creating vampiric children is indeed a crime against nature



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Delilah22
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ok... now I get it.... I used the example Claudia metaphoricly... she is a fiction caracter... my main focus was on XP, to enlighten people about this condition.....

I am not talking about fiction. please put that in mind thank you.



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utterlyalone
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Well this is a rather interesting subject indeed, I am one of those rare people with this rare gift you speak of, Gowing up was not easy at all to speak the least, but i had good family and good friends to back me, My eyes are very sensitive to the light and sun and my skin could be very well my worst enemy. But i see it as gift rather then a curse for I am sure of it that night holds far more beauty and intruigue then any amount of sun that i could beilive to see.



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Rahn
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13:20:32 Apr 25 2006
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vampire or disease? or both...



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SoulRipper
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19:40:00 Apr 25 2006
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Is this true? Very interesting.



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Delilah22
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19:42:11 Apr 25 2006
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What kind of question is that... does it look like I am joking? :-)



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SatinMist
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04:27:16 Apr 26 2006
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I am aware of the thread, and I made a mention of the disease that really effects children. I have seen documentaries and movies based on real cases. I was like you using that metaphorically. I think it is a shame that children are like this. But does this truly make them "vampire children?" It is sad they can't go out and play w/other children, it is terrible that their parents have to cover every window, door crack..



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IncubusOfBlood
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04:55:24 Apr 26 2006
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all i read was the first post and i dunno, thats too much along the lines of what a hollywood movie vampire is, not a real life vampire... check out www.vampire-church.com



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LordVerbal
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06:43:37 Apr 26 2006
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I can't believe it (no offence) but I think its absurd and irrelevent



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Delilah22
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07:41:57 Apr 26 2006
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I agree with you SatinMist.. it is horrorble that children has to go through that. but "vampire children" are a term used to describe it, I agree thay could have forund an easier and slightly more toned down label.. chris why do you t hink it is riduculus and irellevant?



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17:10:03 Apr 26 2006
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I've heard of the disorder before, thanks to the movie 'the other's in part, but i've never heard of the thing with the teeth. that's really interesting though



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ARIDAI
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20:21:13 Apr 26 2006
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I would like to have a vampire child such as the one in Interview with the Vampire.



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UMBRAxDExVIR
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23:04:38 Apr 26 2006
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I love the thread awesome!



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xxAngelsAndDemonsxx
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01:33:53 Apr 28 2006
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well im a born vampire. the only i go in the sun is if my body is totally covered and wearing sunblock,a hat and sunglasses



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Quiliai
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01:48:55 Apr 28 2006
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That is very interesting.... I do not have any sensitivity to the sun, but prefer the night anyways


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LifeIsKillingMe
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21:23:19 Apr 28 2006
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I saw on TV where even Disney World opened up their doors after regular hours at night just so a group of those kids could enjoy the rides and shows. That rocks!



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MarkusBlack
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00:16:14 Apr 29 2006
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Interesting thread, Ive heard of such things, and the posting on the blood disease, really does add to it the research on these sort of thing. Interesting, very interesting.....



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nightrunner
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interesting i feel bad for all those dead kids though



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