The universe is eternally growing and expanding
unfortunately we can only see as far a the light has had
time to travel. But the theory that past present and
future existing at the same time is true in a way but
only in the sense that if some one a hundred light-years
away could see us in a powerful telescope they would
see us as we are one hundred years ago. If they were
to travel faster then the speed of light to us and arrive
in an instant they would essentially travel in time to our
present. If they were able to watch it through the
telescope as they were traveling faster then the speed
of light and some how able to adjust the speed of the
zoom as well as the camera to as fast as they were
traveling and then slow it down to a speed at which
their eyes could adjust then they would see us moving
throughout history at an accelerated pace but only after
the got there. If they were to see it as they traveled
they would have to shield there eyes and ears because
the light would be so bright it would blind them and the
sound would make them explode, because, after all,
they are seeing and hearing (assuming they can hear
us) 100 light years of light in less then a nano-second
and V = 331.4 + 0.6Tc worth of sound because it
depends of course on what media/medias it has to
travel through (example carbon molecules and also
temperature effects it as well) a sound that is many
years, all together, all at once, and combined is well
beyond the frequency at which mater explodes. When
they look back at their civilization 100 light-years away
through that same telescope they would see their world
as it was 100 years ago. If they went back the same
thing would happen.
So in summation time travel isn’t really possible, in a
sense it seems to be, but you can only watch the past
from a great distance not change or alter it and you can
travel to the future of your perspective all the while
staying in your present, but that is all.
This theory of relativity I my opinion is a load of
garbage. This parallel universe is just the same,
garbage. And you want to know why because though
the universe is endless and ever expanding. The
circumstances that we live under are not only rare but
impossibly so it would take more than a infinite universe
to repeat what we are. A set of circumstances that
would have to be perfect for another you or me to
happen. But the idea that there are aliens out there
now that is not so far fetched it is possible for other life
forms to be out there. In fact it is probable and more
over there may even be over 100-1000 out there
depending on conditions, maybe more, in our galaxy
alone, but most would have little more then single cell
organisms and possibly plant life, maybe though, just
maybe, there would be some intelligent beings out
there, In all likelihood they wouldn’t be anything like us
and most likely would not be able to survive in our
atmosphere, sunlight, or even our gravity. So vampire
maybe they are the fabled gray men I mean their skin
would be gray so direct sunlight would almost definitely
kill them. Gravity may effect them differently too being
composed of different material then we are, hence the
ability to fly. Draining our blood is not far fetched either
after all one drop of blood has millions of stands of DNA
and studying us would take a lot of it especially if they
wanted to breed with us (that’s a little egotistical but
there it is) and the vampires could just be a hybrid
and/or a mutation. Maybe even albinos that practiced
cannibalism for many generations and mutated over
years of eating humans in ritualistic manners (more
likely but still highly unlikely).
Anyway getting back to the point it isn’t even remotely
possible to have parallel universes, Just because we
can’t see beyond the light speed barrier doesn‘t prove
that it‘s true or even possible. So far, we have no single
indication of a repeating universe. We are getting way
ahead of ourselves with this theory. We are way too
far away from ever being able to see past The light
speed barrier, Our sun will probably die before we even
figure out how to see past our general area of space.
The universe is
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993751058209749445923078164062862089986280348
253421170679214808651328230664709384460955058
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In other words pi. Never ending never repeating.
Everything we see proves this. One could ague that
tessellations which appear in nature prove me wrong.
In a way I agree, but to the same degree I disagree.
Why because the repeating patterns that you see in
nature are on a smaller and smaller (or larger and lager
depending on your perspective) scale but not entirely
perfect and they eventually run out of space for even if
the atoms are doing it the composition is different in
each area because the pace simply can not hold as
much the smaller or it gets the composition changes
with more and more space between each part of the
pattern adding more molecules and mass as it gets
larger so though it may look very similar it is very
different just by the fact that is is smaller or larger.
Basically what I’m saying is that if there is another me
on another Earth that appears to be just like this one it
is either smaller then an atom or much bigger then the
size of our know universe, but parallel? Not even close,
unless you look at it that we live in a universe the size
of an atom in that way it is possible. Anyway that is not
exactly what they meant by the term parallel universes.
Really though it is all a matter of perspective but
traveling between is not going to happen without a
shrink ray or an enlarging gun. lol
Ana
P.S.
I would like to hear honest and serious responses and links if at all possible.....
Relativity: the special and general theory By Albert Einstein this is the book where I got most of my information and also a few Nova specials and some History and Science channel shows..... I'm sure you might be able to read up on them or just watch a few to notice the inconsistancies in his Theories.
Ana
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapcf/auspac/08/07/australia.lightspeed/
yet another publication that helps my cause.
"The present article provides an analysis of the Michelson-Morley experiment. It demonstrates the flaws in the logic, as well as the setup of the experiment. The Experiment is not suited to detect the ether drift. The Classical solution of the experiment eliminates the basis of special relativity. Its compliance with the Fizeau effect proves that it is the correct solution. Time dilation is caused by the effect of the ether drift on the propagation of a wave within an electromagnetic resonator. It affects the click rate of the clock, not Time. Light travels at a rate c in relation to the ether frame. Light does not have inertia, and neither does sound. The former is an ether density wave the later an air density wave. As a result, you may expect the speed of light to depend on the local ether density. The observed gravitational lens effects are the result of the higher ether density around a celestial body. It is, if you like, an ether displacement effect. This effect can be expected to be slightly asymmetric because of the orbital motion of the celestial body."
quoted source
http://www.crank.net/einstein.html
http://news.softpedia.com/news/The-First-Test-That-Proves-General-Theory-of-Relativity-Wrong-20259.shtml
Your post raises the big question, intentionally or not.
An overview, Chaos theory;assuming you are familiar, whether the point of measurement is relevant.
Every study I have seen from Schrodingers Cat to Chaos theory of pattern recognition shows that the act of measurement even thought alters the outcome.Zoom in, zoom out, you will see nothing until you focus.
When one has "focus" one sees the fundamental patterns that always fit the bill.
They are "recognizable patterns".
What does this mean...mmmm focus your mind and move the universe?
Nice thought, after all, with a lever you can move the world?
The truth is we are nothing but "empty gas, a residue" fueled by some antagonistic forces. Hard matter is an illusion created by our feeble brains to make sense of the soup of dispersed "atoms" we exist in.
Why the light and dark created this argument is unfolding.
Ooh Ana,I have talked about this until I am blue in the face.But its a great subject,so while I will refrain from throwing my own thoughts in there about it,I will bring a few things to the thread for you.:) Happy travels!!
I have always wondered what time travel would be like. Going back to the past and then to the future. I like to think my own future ahead is what you make it.
So logic isn't important and really that dude with the gray hair is the one that got me started in my research when he was on Nova with a few others, scientist that were all saying that time travel is possible but they consistently contradicted each other in subtle ways. Just enough to peek my interest and soon after I realized that all of their theories were based on Einstein’s flawed theory. They completely hinged on it. Once the light bending thing was disproved so was his theory. He never took into account that matter, any matter traveling though other matter is effected by it light is effected by ether . And ether being in the air we breath every day in small quantities effects the speed. The sun burns mainly hydrogen but it has ether in it as well we know this because of the color that it burns. Ether slows light down. While I don’t completely agree with every point that other scientists that, like me, believe that Einstein’s theory was wrong are trying to make they are right about one thing it is not possible it is merely an illusion. You ever notice that he instead of saying it is possible he says it is theoretically possible? Invisible beings? Come one…. Do you even understand quantum mechanics? Well I do. Hear is a little bit of info on it…..
Okay now I agree that probability rates do exist. That is why we don’t even know what will happen but we can predict what might happen. The fact that the world is random does not mean that it every possibility happens. Only one possibility will happen and the others will not unless you keep doing the experiment over and over. But you have to reset every time to do so. Or have more then one set up at a time one set up one outcome….. What quantum mechanics is is a newer way of looking at particles instead as waves. These waves are more easily predictable then a particle and so we have more accurate hypothesis. That’s all it is… that’s all it was. And these fantastic theories about parallel universes and time travel are sadly not possible. Even with the unpredictability of the waves of quantum mechanics. Unfortunately there is no way to prove this because the problem is you could experiment forever and still not get every out come. But truly no matter how many times you do experiment on these ideas you will never achieve his out come. Disproving him would be more difficult then gravity reversal. That’s the beauty of his theory it can never be proven or disproven, because of the way it’s set up and that makes for fun Sci-Fi flicks. Anyone latch on to this theory and come up with absolutely anything, that’s why it is so appealing. But his theory and others latching onto it are counter productive in the world of applicable science.
Blue or not I hope you can see the logic in what I am saying. It may not seem like it but I see yours and his., in turn.
Ana
It is important to challenge and present the counter argument; Latest theory in New Scientist points to minute errors in quantum calculations; this means that the perceived need for dark energy / matter to balance Newtonian equations for the universe is not required! With minor adjustments it all balances anyway, without things you can't see or can't measure. The proofs are being validated as we speak. Don't forget, dark matter / energy were only invented because they couldn't make their equations balance. However, we are no further forward in understanding that fourth force. The Jury will be out for a long time on that one
Oh, and by the way, interesting article but if they knew anything abour Einstein they'd know that HE knew his theory was incomplete, and that parts were probably incorrect. Personally I think the other realm is very real but hey ho please discuss.
Finally someone with a good argument. I'm not convinced dark matter is a possibility either. And really you're totally right the jury will be out on that one for a long time. The last part I will respectfully disagree with but at least I know I'm not completely alone here that logic does get through to some If I reach one person that means I’m doing something right. And I totally agree I don't think dark matter is at all a factor, or even exists. Some of the miscalculations have to do with light traveling through matter like ether that changes it’s speed it’s barely noticeable but it is part of it.
Question for AlieNation: Why do you thing the other realm is possible? I really want to know because so far you are the only one so far that seems to have any clue what they are talking about, no offense intended sorry if I did…
Ana
according to the physics theories im familiar with, time travel to the past goes like this:
i live in reality A
i go back in time and shoot myself when i was 6.
i dont go "poof" because i died when i was 6, i just created a new reality. reality B
if i come back to my own time, then all is the same as when i left. but if i stayed in reality b, then i would watch how the world unfolded in a different way than the one i left.
you cannot go back in time and change what happens in your own reality. not possible.
you only create another parallel universe...and there are an infinite number of them.
~W~
But that is hypothetical speculation, and not laws of Physics. it is not a viable.. or practical theory.
Yes, traveling back in time is hypothetical. But traveling forward in time is plausible. All relating to the Theory of Relativity. As you approach the speed of light, time duration for you slows down.
You would essentially be a living time capsule. So, in my opinion, yes it is.
I need to ask you just what you feel my thoughts or ideas are on this subject? Please dont assume that simply because I post a video, that I agree with what ia being said unless I specifically say so.I post plenty of information in these threads,and it is not limited to only those things of which I agree.I am not even going to put my personal thoughts into this,as I stated earlier..For reasons of my own right now.:)
I will however,leave something here about entangelment.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=was-einstein-wrong-about-relativity
Best of luck with your research on all this..
IFsadnessHADaCHILD,
Even the conductors required to utilize a fraction of the power needed to generate such an endeavor is extremely hypothetical.
you are correct its not scientific law...but it is the only explanation that makes sense. the paradox scenario goes completely against the laws of physics. and yes...again while not proven, its generally accepted in the community.
the problem is that some of the physics is currently being investigated is string theory, which starts turning almost into religion.
its not (at this time) provable.
~W~
Even before the subject is breached, the prerequisite that stands out is the ability to generate, and sustain such energy to even power up such a contraption, and the ability to maintain managable temperatures ie; cooling apparatus.
I say that it is plausible due to the growth of our technology. Just look at the past one hundred years. In the "near" future, it may even be possible. They way you are arguing it is, that I said it was possible.
i think that time travel is completely plausible...just not at this moment.
~W~
Ok... how can you compare transmitting molecules either through wave lengths or whatever means, to accelerating matter to a certain velocity?
the practicality of it under todays means is not plausible however, step back to 1982 and tell a top scientist that not only are computers practical but soon most residences will have multiple units some small enough to be carried around and run off batteries they would take up the same defense of it not being possible
Thank you dabbler you, as always, seem to be a voice of reason.
Okay here we go…
Moving forward in time is plausible in the sense of being frozen in a “Time Capsule” as you put it but really it isn’t time travel at all, you are still moving through time at the same rate and you will get there at the same time as everyone else you are just in a comatose state on life support that is farther advance then our currently applied scientific abilities (technology). In that sense coma patients are time travelers, if and when they wake up.
What I’m saying is that parallel universes don’t exist at all. So this A and B universe theory won’t work. This is Science fiction, based on an idea that has no place in here. I used to watch that guys TV series too, and as a child I believed it. But as I got older I realized that not everything on TV is true in fact more often then not it is complete fiction but fiction is a lot more fun then fact. That’s why it is so popular. Fiction sells, most people think facts are boring, but I find that they are amazing without all the Pseudoscience added to it. (dabbler *wink*) If you want to do something practical and make useful advances in science follow the stone cold facts and use them to create experiments that work, or at the very least have a usable outcome. This Pseudoscience is a waits of time, and taxpayers money as well as private grants. It’s paying someone to daydream. And there is a place for that it’s call show-biz. Don’t claim to be making advances in science when you are merely living in an imaginary world. Michio Kaku is the one of the worst peddlers of this b.s., because he mixes fact with fiction. Fiction=lie Fact=truth. The most dangerous kind of lie is the lie that is mixed with just enough truth to make it believable. And they are as damaging as a rumor , slander, or heresy, because it distracts people from the truth and damages the intelligence of the public as a whole that Are taught to believe it. As well as distracting us from practical science and scientific advancement. In that way he is dangerous, he’s a peddler of lies. There are others out there, but I see him more then most in the media and on the television.
I watched that episode with the bubble universes theory a while ago and again Michio Kaku is involved so I did at that time find some inconsistencies but before I comment I’ll have to watch the ending to refresh my memory as to be more accurate if and when I comment on it.
Oceanne If you don’t agree with what you are posting don’t post it, it is an indirect form of starting trouble and ends with you looking like a hypocrite. If you do post it explain why you did so misunderstanding don’t happen. I apologize for my part of the misunderstanding.
And yes ShadowedRemains They didn’t believe it would be possible for computers to be tiny things when it is true, just as you all believe it is possible for time travel and parallel universes, when it isn’t.
AlieNation you still haven’t answered my question……
Ana
No, you misunderstood me. I was talking about travel towards the speed of light. Which will slow down time for you. I believe .995(LS)[don't quote me on that] would only cause 10 years to pass for you, but in actuality 1000 years has passed in "normal" time. And I referred that, you would be like a time capsule. Not actually being one in suspend animation as you stated.
And as for the parallel universe theory. I was trying to find an article that explains electrons being in more then one place leading to parallel universes. I only kept coming across
the double-slit experiment, which roughly states: electrons travel in wavelengths rather then acting as particles moving through a given space.
First I wasn’t talking to you second it is only speculation and though some facts support it others discount it completely and have you ever heard the term reasonable doubt? It works for science too if there is one fact that say no then the answer it no even if there are ten that say maybe. Light speed does not slow time it is just another b.s. theory pieced together with Pseudoscience (Facts mixed with fiction.). If you are able to travel at light speed (which in my mind though we have not achieved it we could probably do it one day if we keep progressing at an exponential rate with scientific advances) we would experience a form of stretching and thinning to make us more aerodynamic like the shape of an arrow or a bullet. The faster we go the more we must be stretch. Light speed distorts the shape of matter not the matter itself, and it doesn’t cause time distortion either. You just move faster physically.
I’ve seen that too: Quantum mechanics for dummies part one…. You tube. There are too many unknowns to draw a viable conclusion from that blurb. First off was there light in the room? Was there any form of electronics nearby? The waves or particles that they speak of are effected by all of these factors. Air and the little particles floating around in it can effect the outcome as well, and even magnets can be a factor, because the recording device could have magnetically charged the air and balanced the negatively charged particles by creating a magnetic field. Electrons with out the magnetic field would act like waves because there are other atoms with electrons in witch to interact with.
Now imagine a pool table the electron that is fired is the cue ball and it hit’s the one ball and “breaks” the rest any ball could go in the any poket and sometimes none do. That is the concept. I’d like to see a more in-depth experiment done before I will consider any of their ideas or theories that hinge on it. And anyway it doesn’t even matter the behavior of the particles have nothing to do with parallel universes you better off saying that this proves (assuming that the experiment results are trustworthy) that particles have the capacity to “think” and are “aware” enough of their surroundings that they can “sense” when “they” are being recorded. That should be amazing enough though I can’t discount it I must say my hypothesis seems a bit more likely and can easily be tested. I don’t know how anyone could jump from that to parallel universes…
Go on bring up the GPS thing if you want I got that covered to.
http://www.nasm.si.edu/gps/work.html
That is a site that explains how they work and why there is a time distortion. Like I said this guy likes to mix fact with fiction fact: (and you can find it on the site I provided)
“Each GPS satellite transmits data that indicates its location and the current time. All GPS satellites synchronize operations so that these repeating signals are transmitted at the same instant. The signals, moving at the speed of light, arrive at a GPS receiver at slightly different times because some satellites are farther away than others. The distance to the GPS satellites can be determined by estimating the amount of time it takes for their signals to reach the receiver. When the receiver estimates the distance to at least four GPS satellites, it can calculate its position in three dimensions.” Quoted word for word.
His fiction: that time is distorted by the speed you are going. It is distorted by that fact that it has to travel from three satellites at different distances. “The signals, moving at the speed of light, arrive at a GPS receiver at slightly different times because some satellites are farther away than others.” It really can’t be any clearer then that.
Anymore questions?
Ana
LOL wow ana you know it all dont you?
Im sorry ,but I post what I feel will add to a thread whether I agree with it or not.Or whether you do.It is up to the reader to decide if they will go with one thing or another.
So your whole " argument here is whether there are parallel universes or if we can go back in time travel?Well,I for one ,I dont see too many people arguing the fact that it is plausible to go forward in time but not back.
Two,the "If an electron can be in two places at once,why can we?" stance is all well and good,but for everyone's sake,dont act like no one understands what you are talking about,because in fact,there are some who do.We have talked about it alot in the forum.Maybe some just dont feel like getting into a debate about it .So why does it even have to be one? There is nothing wrong with presenting different aspects about a subject and simply disscussing it.you dont need to cut down others in the process.
Ifsadnesshadachild,I believe this is what you were looking for.
Physicists prove that matter can be in two places at once
Insight on the News, July 15, 1996 by Phil Berardelli
12Next ..Quantum mechanics has held that matter can be both particle and wave, but researchers at the National Institute of Standards and Technology have 'smeared' one atom in two places at the same time.
Splitting atoms has been a routine task for nuclear physicists for the past half-century, ever since the first uranium reactor was created for the Manhattan Project during World War II. Smearing atoms, however - allowing them to appear in two places at once - is a different story
Scientists long have known, theoretically, that matter exhibits mind-boggling behavior. In the field of quantum mechanics, which encompasses the behavior of individual atoms and their constituents, particles can pass through one another. Others can react to the same stimulus instantly, even though separated by great distances. And the same atom can appear in two places concurrently.
Welcome to the "world of the weird," as some physicists call it, where matter manifests itself simultaneously as particles and waves. But as well-understood as these properties are - vestiges of quantum theory first were postulated at the turn of the century - they have eluded most experimental attempts to verify them.
Part of the problem is that the mere act of observing at the quantum level affects the results of the observation (see Skinning Schrodinger's Cat). Nevertheless, a team working at the National Institute Standards and Technology in Boulder, Colo., has succeeded in controlling a single atom to an unprecedented degree.
The researchers isolated a beryllium ion (an atom given an electrical charge by removing one of its two normal electrons) in an electromagnetic trap and pinpointed its position using a technique called laser cooling. Then, using two laser beams, each precisely tuned to a different frequency, they gently "smeared" the atom into a split condition called a superposition
By measuring interference patterns in the laser beams, the scientists established that the atom occupied two locations. They determined it was separated by about 80 nanometers, or 800 times its original diameter. At human scale, it would be as if a person suddenly split into twins and appeared simultaneously a quarter mile apart.
It turns out that atoms, far from being the tiny billiard balls we commonly see in illustrations, are more like multilayered, discrete, shimmering clouds. Each layer contains proportionately enormous amounts of energy and shimmers - a different but precise electromagnetic frequency. Only when atoms interact with one another in large numbers do they behave as expected in their "classical" state, as scientists call the visible world.
According to Christopher Monroe, one of the physicists who performed the experiment, smearing could have important implications for the real world. The team is investigating the possibility of using superpositioned ions as time-measuring devices of extreme accuracy. Such devices could improve navigation of deep-space probes. Closer to home, global-mapping satellites could narrow their margins of error from feet to inches.
Also intriguing is the prospect of developing a quantum-, or `Q-,' computer, which would use individual ions as data storage bits. A small group of superpositioned ions, each with two available states, would permit trillions of combinations. That's enough power, according to computer experts, to overcome the most complex security codes and message cryptography - something that worries financial institutions and security agencies.
The technical challenge is daunting, however. First, the system must isolate and store individual quantum bits - whimsically called "qubits" by the scientists. The ion trap built by Monroe and the team accomplishes this, although it currently takes a great deal of effort to capture, store and separate just one ion. Nevertheless, says Monroe, his group is looking into stringing multiple ions together, perhaps 50 of them, which would provide about one quadrillion data combinations.
Second, the ions would need a system of interconnections so they could perform computations - "wiring" at the atomic level. The trap would provide the proximity needed, but the means to connect the ions thus far is unknown.
Monroe believes a Q-computer can be built. "It may be that we can only string about 10 ions together," which would allow only about a million variations. Not much computing power, but it would prove its potential. Now, "it's an engineering issue," Monroe says.
Any time someone attempts to declare "The Universe Is..." I can't but shake my head.
As Plato's "Allegory of the Cave" expresses so well in fable form, we cannot know what the Universe is... or whether there are more of them, parallel or otherwise.
We can no more know what the "Real" is than can a one-dimensional or two-dimensional being hope to comprehend a three-dimensional Reality.
And for exactly the same reasons, neither can we... as 3 dimensional beings... hope to perceive of a Reality where far more dimensions exist... and co-exist continually.
Equations in Quantum Physics only work when either 11 or 13 dimensions are assumed. As such equations only then work harmoniously once such an assumption is input, we can mathematically... and, thus, theoretically at least... presume that a minimum of 11 or 13 dimensions actually exist in Reality.
Yet we live in and can only perceive and relate to 3 dimensions.
Thus... just as a one-dimensional being would perceive the impossible occurring were a three-dimensional object to suddenly appear in his/her Reality and pass through same, so also do we, as beings limited in our thinking and perception to only 3 dimensions, continually find seeming paradoxes in our known Universe.
This is but one of many evidence that practically proves we live in a multi-dimensional Reality of which we are not aware nor can we be made aware; we simply do not possess either the sensory capability nor the mental perception to do so. And if we cannot even do that, all the speculation in the world about our Universe is simply pointless and fruitless until the day might come when we can perceive and relate to far greater numbers of dimensions than merely ... 3.
- Upir'
So, you are saying Einstein's theory of relativity is bullshit? Even though we have accelerated atoms near the speed of light, and measured the difference in their half lives?
Nice post Upir,as always.like you,I just cant declare what the universe is ..especially now,when we are on the thresholds of new discoveries.
Here are some very good debates and writings on this.
http://www.helium.com/debates/68491-quantum-physics-is-time-travel-theoretically-feasible
And yes,sadness,it does seem that ana is declaring bullshit on the theory.
dabs...
going way back to your comment that you feel its like transporter beams.
actually we are closer to transporters tech lol
we have actually already transported matter across a room. im not aware of any experimentation currently going on regarding time travel.
as you pointed out so well...the energy required is staggering.
~W~
Dark matter: the absence of matter. we basically cannot see it. but we know it is there. kinda like a black hole.. we cant see it.. but we know its there due to the gravitational pull it has on an object near it.
http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr162/lect/cosmology/antimatter.html
Oceane you are on the right track, some individuals are closed in their own Absolutist perception of their alleged found "truth" as a ultimatum and try to push it on others. I do agree with most concept of modern physics as well as some arguments leaked by theoretical physicist such as Michio Kaku, Most of the physics of the impossible are supported under the extremes of various astrophysics and quantum sciences and experiments in the molecular scale to later correlate a similar experiment into the possibilities them on macro scale understanding how could it be produced under a biological agent. As you said you can theorize when you have the supporting mathematics and physics fundaments as well as biological/chemical composition required to it, just because we don't have the technology to make it practical to human scale doesn't mean is fiction, just out of reach of physical realization due to mainstream mannerism. Scientist such as Michio Kaku know more than what you and I think, The guy has knowledge of things outside mainstream science that are suspended on experimentation beyond what we can have our hands on, he just likes to be in the safe zone and keep it "theoretical". Many of this scientist leak knowledge out there with flaws only to prompt interest and other young scientist to engage on the realization of it in experimental studies. It is all a gradual process in the community and theoretical science/scientist prompt others to investigate the veracity of studies under scale controlled studies.
10-15 years back there was a statistical probability to measure it in the vastness of the universe as a probability (measuring the amount of stars in a galaxy and the galaxies in the universe), 15-20 years back years back the idea of finding earth like planet elsewhere in the cosmos was relatively remote and nearly impossible in this galaxy; approx 100 years back it was all impossible to think of planets that could harbor life elsewhere out there, approx +/- 500 years back the perception of truth was that we were the center of the universe. As for today we have found :
"Scientists announced the discovery of 140 new planets like Earth found in recent weeks. With the new data, scientists believe that there are about 100 millions of planets like ours and that could harbor life just in the Milky Way."
http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/space/02/25/galaxy.planets.kepler/index.html
So to say the least: Science is unpredictable and to state something as absolute fact is just limiting yourself and finding the disillusion of thinking one is all wise. It is better to accept something as possibility to immediately discard it as fiction, its the discerning and experimenting on theoretical hypothesis that shed lights to new discoveries.
One can look more closely at this (darkmatter and dark energy) if you go to WMAP and see first hand what they are finding out there and decide for yourselves.
Here is an addy..
http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/010104a.html
http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/news/
Thanks Firmament.I do understand the excitement and passion when one finds a little something that is new to them.But in truth,these inconsistancies have been brought up and disscussed before ,so it isnt new to some.And all sides need to be presented.
everything ive ever read on potential time travel has ended up stating that dark matter was the prime candidate for the required energy...
as of this moment tho, we have no way to collect it.
we think we know how to do so...but we have to get to a significant amount of it before we do so.
~W~
I think I will take my favorite Schroeder-esq stance and say that time travel is possible and is not possible. I am a firm believer that anything is possible until it is not. Those are my BELIEFS not fact nor fiction just the simplest of ideas that fire off inside my head. The power topic that was brought up. Advancements are being made in fuel research every day and even though a paddle wheel mill runs at the same speed and uses the same amount of fuel as a mortar and pestal... oh wait no that's not right... I mean how different grades of fuel deliver the same performance out of the same engine... wait that's not it either... Oh I got it! Time travel is and always will be impossible just as the world will always be thought of as the center of the universe and flat. Oh yes and if man were meant to fly he would have been given wings. The more we advance as a whole the more there is to be advanced. I do not think I will see it in my lifetime but I do believe (there's that word again) that time travel is possible and practical and that IF there should get a nicely sized grant to work on it... or spend on booze and say he's working on it... just my thoughts tho...
:) Now we are getting somewhere.... Sometimes it takes ego stroking, sometimes it takes insults, but now we are in a real discussion.... Finally I got some passion back into this mix. Without passion this discussion was over before it started.... Keep it up.
Ana
Ana; Patience please I have had many pressing errands to run, anyway back to the thread.
Why do I believe in dark matter/energy despite its fantastical elements.
firstly because Los Alamos are investing a great deal of time and money and research in alternative energy sources, you may recall they split the Atom.
Secondly because of things as have seen and heard of from extremely reliable witnesses.
There are simply too many freak occurrences surrounding energy transfers during sex life and death.
Given we all originated from simple organisms that went on to behave as a collective over 3 million years. Is it too strange to believe cells evolved to harness other energies and avoid places where previous deaths had occurred.
(Even if only in a pool of green slime)
We are organisms that have adapted to extremely harsh conditions during meteor strikes and volcanic erruptions.
It would be stranger if some cells had NOT evolved to use other available energy we do not yet see or understand.
One always here's there is no evidence....nonsense.
Here is my latest offering they scientists do not understand.Manipulating Electromagnetic forces.
Upir will be pleased to see it is tied into the menstrual cycle.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304481/Iron-Lady-The-mother-magnetic-metal-objects-stick-45-MINUTES.html
It seems NASA have a visible model of Dark energy, this in the news today;
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1304684/Nasa-scientists-discover-Universe-expand-forever.html
This discussion is not about egos.
Something just occurred to me: If one does travel back or forwards in time, will you have to factor in an equation of the Earth's location in the Universe at that separate point in time? Given that the Universe is expanding.
I have always liked this idea.
Time travel is hard as no known "void" exists to appear in.
One must publish in every major newspaper and transmit to likely candidates a time and date where 10 cubic metres of space at a known point on Earth will be free (with accurate planetary references in time and space) -
WILL be a vacuum;
That may give our ancestors or alien friends a "space" a points of reference.
It is risky, something else may come across.He Hee.