wow, you put a lot of effort into this. It's amazing! Thank you for putting all this information together.
great job u put alot of effort into this post u are just chalk-full of info, thanks
As much as I appreciate the research, I can't help but wonder what you are seeking from this.
My suggestion is that you seek input or inquire on the topic at hand.
This thread is a breeding ground for " Good Job" and " Great work" responses.
I'd like to see feedback from individuals as opposed to the routine post whoring some members participate in.
wow, we're you bored and just had all this info gathered so you felt like typing to the nearest source?
Good job on the post. It was alot of information i didn't know. Thank you for the info.
I thought it was alot of info that I did not know and there were alot I was familiar with~ My mom was a DARK SHADOWS FAN~LOL ~ that is like wow I did not know alot about it yet, I did watch sometimes with her~~ you put alot of thought and info into this ~ so I say thankyou~ cause alot of ppl did not know what you have posted and hope you get more readers on this~~
This timeline is very Eurocentric. There's no mention here of the Toyol from Singapore or the Jiang-Shi from China.
In Africa there is the Obayifo and the Asasabonsam
I think one of the really interesting aspects about vampires is that they are from time immemorial. As long as we have feared death, there have been stories of those dead that feed off the blood of the living.
Some of these vampire 'myths' from other countries are just as if not more interesting than the Eurocentric versions. If you read that link on the Obayifo, it combines witchcraft with vampirism, giving us a the tale of an out of body experience wherein the ball of light or spirit of the witch fed on the blood of children. That's delightful :)
I am, indeed, wondering if there is a purpose to this thread besides posting a timeline, as in the thread about werewolves.
I also wonder at your sources.
It is a good practice to post them, so none may accuse you of plagiarism.
What are you trying to do here?
I'm wondering why the thread about werewolves, which was done in the same way this one was, recieved a bunch of "what is this supposed to be" or "what's the point" remarks while this one got mostly (some of you still kept up the "what is this about" trend, thank you) "Good post, lot of info" responses. They were the same thing, on two similar topics.
I did figure it was the same thing so rather than finding the unmentioned source (http://reapersofblood.org/vc.html), I figured I'd try to point this in a more interactive direction.
So what about this long history of vampires, in every culture, in every era why did it only recently become something that people wanted whereas before it was only feared and hated? Is it the mass media effect? or are we somehow more open to the darker side in this current time?
my head hurts from reading all that but im glad i did because that was very stimulating to read and find out about all the people like Vlaud
Curious as to the referance point from wich this was drawn...
I've never seen such a complete chronology. who could add to it?
I am most impressed with the timeline, like some. There are things I did know and some stuff I had no idea. All I can say regarding this thread is Great job.
Good point FelixFelix I admit I am a bit werewolf bigot sorry about that but it seems to have been RIA'd as well ***sits in corner****
Wasn't this done with werewolves and it got closed because there was no point being proved and no discussion was able to come out of it?
GREAT JOB GETTING TOGETHER ALL THE INFO KEEP US INFORMED
Evidence of the vampire tale can be found with the ancient Chaldeans in Mesopotamia, near the Tigris and the Euphrates rivers, and with Assyrian writings on clay or stone tablets. The land of the Chaldeans is also called the "Ur of the Chaldeans," which was the original home of Abraham from the Bible.
"Lilith" was a possible vampire from the ancient Hebrew Bible and its interpretations. Lilith was the wife of Adam before there was Adam and Eve, according to tradition; but she was demonized because she refused to obey Adam. (Or to see it from a more liberated viewpoint, she demanded equal rights with Adam). Naturally, she was considered evil for such "radical" desires and became a vampire who eventually attacked the children of Adam and Eve -- namely, all human descendants.
References to vampires can be found among the ancient civilizations of the Mediterranean such as Egypt, Greece and Rome. The ancient Greeks believed in the strigoe or lamiae, who were monsters who ate children and drank their blood. Lamia, as the mythology goes, was the lover of Zeus; but Zeus' wife, Hera, fought against her. Lamia was driven insane, and she killed her own offspring. At night, it was said, she hunted other human children to kill as well.
One tale known by both the Greeks and Romans, for example, concerns the wedding of a young man named Menippus. At the wedding a guest, who was a noted philosopher called Apollonius of Tyana, carefully observed the bride, who was said to be beautiful. Apollonius finally accused the wife of being a vampire, and according to the story (as it was later told by a scholar named Philostratus in the first century A.D.) the wife confessed to vampirism. Allegedly she was planning to marry Menippus merely to have him handy as a source of fresh blood to drink.
Vampire tales occurred in ancient China, where the monsters were called kiang shi. In ancient India and Nepal, as well, vampires may have existed -- at least in legend. Ancient paintings on the walls of caves depict blood drinking creatures; the Nepalese "Lord of Death" is depicted holding a blood-filled goblet in the form of a human skull standing in a pool of blood. Some of these wall paintings are as old as 3000 B.C., it is believed. Rakshasas are described in the ancient Indian holy writings called the Vedas. These writings (circa 1500 B.C.) depict the Rakshasas (or destroyers) as vampires. There is also a monster in ancient India's lore which hangs from a tree upside-down, not unlike a bat, and is devoid of its own blood. This creature, called Baital, is in legend a vampire.
Other ancient Asians, such as the Malayans, believed in a type of vampire called the "Penanggalen." This creature consisted of a human head with entrails that left its body and searched for the blood of others, especially of infants. The creature lived by drinking the victims' blood.
It is also said that the vampire may have lived in Mexico prior to the arrival of Spanish Conquistadors, according to the renown vampire author Montague Summers whose 1928 book The Vampire -- His Kith and Kin is a classic. He further wrote that Arabia knew of the vampire as well. Vampire-like beings appeared in the "Tales of the Arabian Nights" called algul; this was a ghoul which consumed human flesh.
Africa, with its spirit-based religions, may be seen as having legends of vampire-like beings as well. One tribe, the Caffre, held the belief that the dead could return and survive on the blood of the living.
In ancient Peru there were also vampire legends; the canchus were believed to be devil worshipers who sucked the blood of the young.
Thus from ancient times and from a bounty of exotic lands came forth the vampires. It is from these ancient fears about death and the magical, life-sustaining powers of blood that the vampires as we know them today have evolved
I enjoyed the time line about your thread as it was a really long one. I read it and found it to be very interesing. I realize that so many people wants to start a discussion and they may not be the best at it, at least they put their blood and sweet and tears into it. Thank you for taking the time to share this info. but references wuld have been nice to do research on for us. *smiles* Blesse Be my friend*
AidanRayn - I appreciate the work on bringing in the other cultures and geographies. All to often we look at vampire history from a purely European perspective. While many of the 'vampires' in other cultures don't match perfectly with the European classification, it does point to the near global focus on blood as the source of life...a source that can be stolen by various creatures and demons.
It's interesting to note how often children are the target of these 'predators'. I wonder if that is based on a societal / maternal instinct to protect the young or more to do with the power of innocence as prey. In European legend it's always the virgin blood (also an innocent prey).
Is innocence a source of power greater than normal prey?
I think the innocence is more of a factor that these "creatures" are usually portrayed in an evil light, and having them prey on the innocent, or weak makes them somehow more evil in many eyes. A storytelling tool that took on a mind of it's own over time.
Vulash - so you think of it more as a way to warn the innocent of the dangers by making them the more 'tasty' prey?
I think of it as more a way of making the "monster" in the story more villianous (that a word?). Kind of like an exagerated fishing story. And also a mix of how rumors warp as they are passed down - Since these stories would have been around before modern reading/writing.
If Freddy only preyed on other Murderers and Rapists in some twisted attempt at revenge to his birth instead of being seen as purely evil there would be debate, and it wouldn't have been a good slasher thriller. As an example, in modern times :P Yes, I just used Freddy for my analogy =P
heheh yeah nice analogy - but I think there is a power in innocence as well. Children have a great knack for seeing things that we've long lost sight of. Children have the power of not having learned what's impossible.
Besides, if your were looking to further demonize the vampire and make people more careful by targeting the naive and innocent with extra fear, couldn't that have the opposite effect? Couldn't virgins save themselves by just getting laid? I think that was even used in another cheesy horror movie (to continue your analogy idea)...In Cherry Falls, only virgins are marked for death...so the kids all get together for an orgy so they can be safe. This could have easily been applied to a vampire who only preys on the blood of a virgin.
(yes I just used Cherry Falls in an analogy...a infinitely cheesier film than that Freddy series...)