Why do people use the phrase "I hate selfish people?"
I thought every human being is selfish in some way, because we all have goals and desires for things we want in our life. I noticed that some people use selfish attitudes in certain faiths, like trying to find one's true will.
Do you think selfishness is a good thing or a bad thing?
If we have a desire for something we will do anything to get it, so we tend to think of ourselves and no one else, because we tend to think of the things we want to archive in our lives.
I went out yesterday, on a mission, to deliver presents under the most arduous of circumstances: my mission was successful, tho two were out.
Did it matter, No.
Selfishly, I had a plan and it was sucesful.
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Last week, at a soup kitchen, I took great joy, from seeing over thirty fed and moderately content, in part through my efforts and people said 'thank you'...
Man, I felt selfish then...
I suppose selfish is only used as a term when its for something that comes to a cost to someone else. It is bad to be selfish in the way that people use it, but not by definition because we wouldn't survive without being a little selfish.
Sorry if im not being too clear here I'm not too good at putting my point across :s
I don't believe that wanting something for yourself and going after it constitutes being selfish. A selfish person goes after what they want at the cost of some one else. They don't care who they hurt to get what they want. So is everyone selfish? according to your definition, yes, just not always in a detrimental way.
people are naturally self centered, not necessarily selfish.
I think Selfish is more a moment where you only care about you, your attitude and behaviour tell the world that your the only person that matters. Your only interested in your welfare and not the welfare of others.
There is such thing as a selfless act which I think is what your thinking off Magic. But there is a vast difference between being selfless and selfish.
I do agree human beings deep down are essentially selfish and put their needs, desires and wants above others. Its in our inherent nature to do this. We perform selfless acts and care about others, don't get me wrong! But in arguments, social situations and well life in general we compare everything from our point of view. That is a selfish act.
Mmm, it is alll about perspective...some selfish Billionaires I know who made a fortune out of protectionism and monopolies in the WEST, felt really guilty so they saved millions of totally undeserving foreigners. Who will grow up to destroy their precious roots and betray every value these niaive prats set about.
Why so? because they projected their values on a totally different culture and it rarely works dumb arse.
MESSAGE-
CHARITY BEGINS AT HOME AND SPREADS SLOWLY!
I think what bothers me the most is when people volunteer to do things and then behave as if they are doing you a favor of some sort. And then there are those who do things for the sole purpose of bragging about it later- to anyone who will listen.
I don't think people are selfish by nature, I think having a good life or a really bad life makes them selfish to a point.
I am not a believer in pure altruism. We serve our selfs through others, a healthy whole smiles upon the individual.
If I am not capable, and maintained then how can I be of any use to others? However I refuse to help those who want for a hand Down, as opposed to a hand up. see the difference is
remarkable. selflessness can (and has ) left people prone to desperate empty conditions.
I hear that phrase so often and heck have used it a time or two. Yet we see that some people only cares what will directly effect them. So they never volunteer unless they get something out of it. Or only care for themselves. I see it so often yet I do what I can to help others and wish nothing to aid myself.
but helping others dont mean just volenteering it could be donating blood or plasma donating old clothes or even helping someone finding something at a store or letting someone cut in front of you in line all are small selfless acts and these and things people do not even realizing it
You really gotta pick and choose your battles and selfishness is deff one of the biggest things to be careful with
In your definition it comes off as a bad thing.
There are many in the world who are selfish and greedy not only due to seeing it most of their life but also assume things are only there for a short time so they take it. They don't care about anyone else other than themselves. They are the humbugs.
I know quite a few people that care more about others than themselves and would rather help others first. I am one of those that would help someone else first and myself last.
Selfish people always put themselves first. They can be greedy around the festive season when it comes to donating money to charities, which is total igorance.
.. and Glinda, there are those who talk of being a volunteer, because it's part of who and what they are: and to misintret that part of them, whether it be deliberate or not, is to ignore the whole person and, just see a portion of that person.
.. certainly, one can question peoples motivation for doing things, I'll grant you that much..
.. tho to do so interminably, is sad.
As I tried to sleep last night, I wondered how Glinda Lyn could deprecate volunteers, as she had. Was she disparaging all volunteers, or was it a personal aside toward an individual? If not, as someone who lives on an island, I cannot imagine where we would be without our Life-Boat-Service, with each boat being manned by volunteers, who save many, many lives every year.
People have a natural sense of self-preservation, and ego centrism is a part of development, but then there are the people who do not care at all about other people at all.
I really don't think it matters why someone enjoys helping other people so long as the other people are helped.
Did you know that if there were fewer people on earth that the planet would live longer? And if you really cared about humanity, one could say, that you'd go diminish the numbers in spite of the fact that you would go to prison.
Or you could go out and get food for someone you dont know so that person will have a free meal.
Let us not confuse Selfishness with Self-preservation. When I make the statement regarding "hating selfish people," it is usually in reference to dealing with people in general that go about without any thought to their actions or words might have on others around them.
Selfishness is nothing more than taking others for granted...full-blown narcissism is pretty darn selfish in my opinion. However, to provide for the self, food, shelter, warmth, company and love...all things that make life worth living within the spirit of depth and sharing, is not selfish...for all these things we would give to those closest in our hearts.
It is the extension of the heart's compassion that creates the bridge of Love to reach out to those less fortunate than our own. It's called Compassion.
Agreed SH. Take yesterday..we did not have Christmas in the sense that we did not exchange gifts.What we did was take any $ we would have spent on ourselves and got things for all the patients in a nursing home..all 138 of them.We had a santa and we were elves and I was a reindeer.I cannot describe the feelings that it gave us doing that.So many things I could say here..but the point is that if doing something for others is wrong,then our lives are nothing.
Angelus,dont fret..what you do is right.For so many reasons.Never loose your compassion.Kudos to you.
Oh come on, you only did it because you knew you would feel smug and superior and probably end up telling everyone what you and your friends had done.
The day bill Gates n mates give it all away without a tax rebate and media coverage, mmm that'll be the day.
Very few acts are truly selfless, perhaps taking a bullet for a mate in the middle of nowhere with no chance of rescue or being seen and that never happens nowdays.
So apart from VR, be honest , how many others will accidentally get to know?
While it is true GK, that on a majority whole, most people are selfish (just spend a day at Walmart on Black Friday)...there are those of us who make the effort in searching out and doing what is right and just.
I for one have found myself on the end of people's comments saying, "How do you do that? I could never do that." I care not to do things for boasting nor media attention. I have done many things for others just because it was right. Doing what is right is never popular "because" it puts the needs of others over one's self...or beyond the inner circle of loved ones that we each care and provide for.
As for the question, how many of us...outside of VR...get to know one another? I do and have.
"Oh come on, you only did it because you knew you would feel smug and superior and probably end up telling everyone what you and your friends had done."
Maybe thats how you would feel GK,but not everyone is this way.There where no sales, no smug..no superiority.
Only the facing of my own mortality and thankfulness that I could do it for those people.And tears. Everytime I saw them come out of their own little world,spured out by those words from their childhoods"Here comes Santa"
So dont dare attempt to trivialize an act that someone else might do simple because that is the way you think..Taking a bullet is no different than what Angelus does weekly and daily..or what I did this Christmas for someone else.
Also,there are alot of people who meet others here from VR...I am one of them.
Honestly selfishness is both good and bad. I mean think about it if you are selfless people will walk on you and it a way you will have no back bone as they say. However if you are to selfish then you miss out on many things in life, such as love. You must have a balance of selfishness and selflessness in order to be happy in this day and age.
.. a balance, yes. fair comment. [the good with the bad.]
But, don't decry those who try to help.. Sheesh.
well stated lady raven,
People earn leisure, simply handing out leisure goods ( ie smokes) to homeless is not estensial to any need. So why feel selfish?
Disernment is a key element in acts of giving, this is a sad reality.
One can only hand down so much, until a person needs to learn to stand up. Why be a crutch to a person, when the same material will guide a person to independence?
The classic case in question is the two children left by the parents to play in the private garden. They are told Not to play by the rotten tree but Jimmy encourages his easily led friend to swing on the tree. The rotten tree gives way and little Jimmy sees he and Toby are about to be squished.
Toby is a bad child and often does naughty things. He considers saving himself but thinks of what the adults would say . If he does not try to save his friend he thinks he is hellbound.
At the last moment little Jimmy pushes his friend out of harms way and is instantly killed (in the knowledge he will go to heaven for his selfless act)
Or will he ?
Thus it is my belief motive and intent may ruin the best of Acts ? What is your philosophy, I maybe wrong.
I would agree that intent can ruin the best of acts..
But not everyone has the same motives or intent.
everyone is selfish in their own personal way that makes them oblivious to their own slefishness. but it just has to be something that you catch on your own, rather than feeling offended wen someone points it out for you.
I read in "The God Delusion" about a bird that gives food to other birds in the flock by regurgitation, it is not altruism, but an indication of their stature in the flock.
I see nothing wrong with being noted as a generous person, it encourages others through example.
Many interesting and intelligent posts - thanks to all.
A question came to me when reading this thread:
What do you all think of the person who actually appears to do acts of selflessness, but always makes sure to get attention for it? Like - 'Oh - I just donated $$$ to this charity and that one' ie 'Look at me! Look at me! See how great I am?'
To me, those types are worse than the selfish greedy ones, since they are kind of living a lie, so to speak.
I do agree with you Isis.But tnen again ,there are times when it is something is simply good to share with others,as well as being an example.I also agree that if youre going around blabbing it out every single time you happen to help someone,there might be something going on that isnt quite right..
"there are times when it is something is simply good to share with others,as well as being an example"
Oceanne, that is true altruism! To do a good deed and share the experience. In this case, no one is expecting pats on the back and such. I'll admit that I've had that experience from both ends, and it does feel good!
To give without taking credit, I feel is more selfless. People give because they get tax breaks I feel that is an incentive to give.
There is a point grandstanding is in bad taste.
Philanthropist have a place in society, no reason why they shouldn't have a building named after them occasionally.
But, by using the "hate selfish people", doesn't put you in the same side of the coin? We are all selfish, why, because being selfish is human, and last time I check, we are all human.
No, WE are not all selfish.
Speak for yourself and/or those who are please....
And... furthermore...
why talk about it... ? Weell.. to show others, that a few hours out of your week, to help someone less fortunate than you, isn't a bad thing...
Isis, my point exactly and far too many in the God squad are in denial. Very few acts are truly selfless and I defy others to present such Acts in order they maybe interigated.
As for hospitals, they are the worst. Most Dr's charge a fortune and operations, oh operations. Ever bothered to break down the costs of a $22,000 dollar hernia...it's a joke. Then they arrange charity gigs at expensive socialite Balls for new machines or helping the old folks, the poor people THEY helped create. Ever seen a poor surgeon, me neither. Heaven is full of intelligent tall pretty folk who went to Ivy league and do things for the less fortunate, "Trading Places" had it about right and thats why Heaven cannot out-wit Hell.
Truly selfless acts include buying a bum a few pints, you wont get it back , its pointless but it will sure as hell make his day. He might even regurgitate it for his mates
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that's your system Green Knight, not ours.
we have free health care, when you need it.. part of a life assurance scheme you pay into from day one of working..
and, I'll reitterate, something Oceanne said, 'treat others as you want to be treated.'
Are you talking about the NHS, Aka the world health service. A noble premise but one which is now 10 bn in the red and subject of more complaints than a long haul flight from Heathrow. It is being abused by doctors and foreign patients who never paid into the system. Why GP's earn 150k a year is beyond me, I know GP's and they openly admit its money for old rope. You need a consultant to get to the bottom of most diseases and they get paid even more ! Why society holds Dr's in such high regards baffles me. Historically a bunch of charlatans who fooled the masses with leeches and latin.
They have progressed only by handing out a variety of smarties and improving their bed-side showbiz reassurance. Technology did the rest. (not to mention popping quite a few pills themselves, what is the stats 1 in 10 is using)
It was only 7 yrs ago they admitted anti-boitics don't work on colds and viruses(until then it was best not to tell the public there was nothing they could do) and just why is it GP's and consultants go on free 5* ski-trips courtesy of Pfizer or Glaxo to discuss new heart or acne drugs that later prove unsafe...mmm we wonders.
Yeah, I,d be doing alot of charity if I was one of those selfish do gooders producing little and living off of the misery of others. P.s.Plastic surgeons are even worse !
too many managers, too much mismanagement, certainly.
and too many tax dodging, amongst the rich in our country [[says an old-style Socialist.]]
Our reality dictates how and why we make the choices we choose. Give a person a different life and their choices will change. But without enculturation, they will not be able to function properly and the outcome could have dire consequences.
Example:http://world-news.newsvine.com/_news/2010/12/27/5721765-5-dead-in-apparent-carbon-monoxide-poisoning?pc=25&sp=125#discussion_nav
The phrase "I hate Selfish People" can be viewed in context to the person using it, Anyone that expects people to be generous all the time is irrational, so they tend to lash out at people they deem selfish. This exposes a pathetic person, that desperately wants every ones undivided attention.
It is right up there with people who bellow out, "I am Bored", as if every one should snap to it, and start entertaining them.
So for people who expect others to meet their every need..
Get Real, your leisure pursuits and petty wants do not an urgancy make.
Agreed, though I spoke specifically of Doctors.
Oddly enough today on CNN they are finally being exposed for whta many of them are...
One in four kids in the USA is now on Meds. Wow !
and 9.6 million of them are on anti-depressants 1 million are under TEN. W.T.F.
Want some good advice, ditch your meds and go for a walk or go fishing.
CNN commented this is over prescribing (suggesting perhaps money was the motivator, You think!!! )
Dr Sophy defended the drug companies and ended up with the comment
"Well ultimately, regardless of what your doctor prescribes, it is up to the parents to agree or they can always get another opinion"...
So he appears to be blaming the parents for trusting Doctors.
I totally agree, Doctors tell lies and are running a business where money is King. Charity is used as a shield and that is why I despise them...Grrr.
alian nation you are making this political! why not stay on topic.
Lets take a mom who for 15+ years has devoted everything she is and has to her family and always put herself last. Lets say one day she decides after all that time to put herself first, is she then to be considered selfish. As you read this think about it this way.
If you were the one she devotedly put first for all those years and then suddenly you were last. How would you feel? would she then be selfish?
Simply reading the first paragraph most would say its about time she did what was right for her. Then reading the second you stop and wonder. It is all in the perception of the one claiming someone is being selfish.
Insight is a case by case basis.
Which brings me to the question, What harm comes from a bragging selfless person?
In the process of pushing/ promoting themselves others are made to feel less significant, and a collective is second to the individual.. that makes terrible PR.
Such a person becomes Pious, and self righteous, making all others that give feel inferior, and those who receive from such people are made to feel like a notch in a trophy case.
insight is a case by case basis?
sure insight is to be gleamed and, expanded upon?
sorry, back on topic.
being selfish can be useful, though detrimental to the group.
if everyone acted in their self-interests, there would be no gain for the whole, just... the individual.
I think this is on topic, it is in no way politics to say a group of individuals who purport to be selfless helpers and have an oath are often full of sh*t. I have had it on my profile since day 1. Of course, not all are this bad but an alarming number.
This in Business news today, some folks are catching on;
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-30/highest-paid-u-s-doctors-get-rich-with-fusion-surgery-debunked-by-studies.html
"Hehn’s surgery generated a $135,786 bill from Abbott Northwestern Hospital in Minneapolis, feeding a national boom in costly fusion surgeries. It also illustrates how spine surgeons have prospered from performing fusions, which studies have found to be no better for common back pain than physical therapy is -- and a lot more dangerous."
Such folk are selfish and that is why they do alot of charity work, to sleep at night.
strangeness.. was goin to say a similar thing.
British Humanist Society is trying to encourage people to volunteer.. one of their motivation is that by volunteering, they say, you feel good about yourself.
don't know about that too much...
but...
it did help my self-esteem.
I think if you sunk about 150,000 into your medical education maybe more once you have included other costs... after paying back any loans you took out to pay your tuition,you might be wanting to make a little money finally too ya?
I agree,theres always some cheister who will charge alot more than whats fair,but they arent all as you describe AN.
Just as with anything,there are always going to be those who will abuse a system for their own personal gain and have been alot of good points brought up in this thread .
And that includes people who abuse charity, and cover expensive leisures through money, and gifts from charitable sources.
One does not need to look to far to see people that do so. Sadly people use this as an excuse to not give, but then again people want the issue to be black, and white, when there is clearly a gray area to everything.
Yes - the needy and/or greedy people who abuse charity are not much better than the self-indulgent folks with means. There are selfish people on both ends of the socio-economic scale.
We are all motivated by that which we find personally beneficial on some level. And that determination is based on our values: that which we consider important in life. The more far-reaching and constructive our values, the more beneficial to both ourselves and those around us will tend to be our actions in pursuit of such. Whereas, the more short-term our values and the more inclined toward goals of immediate gratifications and desires, the more disrespectful and harmful to others and... a bit ironically... ultimately to ourselves, as well, will be our actions in the pursuit of such.
And it seems to me that the more we view life as without ultimate purpose and without the need to truly value such or that of others, the more understandably short-term our values will be, the more geared to instant gratification of desires and whims... thus resulting in more self-centered and narcissistic actions.
The ultimate example of this is ... the sociopath (psychopath). This personality sees only his own immediate wants as the end all and be all not only of his own existence but that of everyone else's, as well. He wants... therefore, everyone else must provide and satisfy any such wants. And, given this value system, any crime, any injustice, any deception, any destruction that might result from his headlong quest to aquire that goal based on such values is fully justified. Such a mindset ultimately results in the self-destruction of the person, himself, after all the destruction caused to others in the process. Thus, the long-term destruction of the sociopath that results from such short-sighted values is as predictable and as tragic as someone jumping off a high cliff so's to enjoy the instant short-term gratification of freefall. In both cases... neither considered hard enough the long-term consequences of their actions.
On the other hand, for the individual whose realizes that life does have ultimate purpose and has cultivated higher farther-reaching values pursued in the fulfillment of that purpose, such values motivate that individual toward actions that inspire growth and benefit not only him/herself but also either directly or indirectly benefit those around them, as well.
One of any number of examples of this would be the person who studies hard, puts him or herself through years of disciplined schooling and sacrifice to attain a high academic degree and then applies those years of study toward a field of endeavor that results in discoveries that benefit themselves, personally, as well as their fellow beings.
Another example would be those who seek deeper understandings of themselves and their purpose in life by serving others in any of a number of careers or disciplines toward that purpose... thereby developing within their own emotional and spiritual potentials that, in turn, greatly benefit their own lives and fulfillment while and as they also help to benefit others in the process. Examples of this would be, at least I would think, such persons as: homemakers (e.g., full-time parent), legit clergy or similar religious pursuits, caregivers, teachers, nursing and related fields, etc.
Thus the issue of acts that demonstrate base selfishness vs. those that are more altruistic is understood best by first identifying the foundational values upon which all such actions are based.
And, in my view at least, values that motivate toward the greater long-reaching and farther-seeing goals in life and that, thus, truly benefit both the individual and the community as a whole... are always those that presuppose PURPOSE IN LIFE AS PREPARATORY TOWARD CONTINUATION AND PROGRESSION BEYOND IT.
(To my view... this foundational principle of Human motivations and behavior is one of the stronger philosophical evidences of Life after death.)
- Upir'
selfishness exists in everyone... no matter who we are or what we believe in. At some point in time we are all selfish.