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I have written many times of the darker side of the human psyche. Yet, the social reformers have moved our society forward, in many area’s, so what is it that makes someone decry those who volunteer… ? ie: these do-gooders in Life, who provide tea in hospitals, who patrol our shores in small boats, to save those in Need… and yes, some might think these committed volunteers need to be committed, “but why?”

that's a very good question... though i'm not sure i know who would say that about someone who is actively trying to make the world a better place..

obviously this is moderated.. so I have to be careful who I critisize here, for their selfish moral attitudes, tho they're free to slate me.. it seems.


Moonie Edit: The whole forum is moderated. And if you have an issue with a member(s) then you can freely message an admin and they can assist you. Don't use the forum to air your displeasure.

This links in with the selfish nature thing.
Some people who are selfish and genuinely can't understand why someone would donate their time, money and effort for a cause that they do not receive anything for.

I work for a hospital, The Community Hospital Auxiliary has long been recognized as one of the outstanding service organizations on the Monterey Peninsula. Founded in 1955 by eight community-minded women, the Auxiliary has grown to include more than 350 adult volunteers, including 40 collegiate volunteers, and 150 junior volunteers, and 600 Friends of The Auxiliary, both men and women. Since 1955, 3.6 million hours of service have been donated by our volunteers. Now, should these good people be committed? Absolutely no. They are doing what they love, to keep a smile on someone face, who is going through a rough time.

Some people despise weakness, and those in need fall into that category, and by extension the "do-gooders" who help these people. Besides personal preferences, it may be an institutionalized perception since our country was founded on the protestant ethic which said that the rich were blessed and closer to god.

My son is a social worker and his client base is foster children. There are people who personally feel that their tax dollars are paying for this system and they resent it. Not sure what they'd do about all the potential homeless children w/o our taxes.

It's like Poe's story, Mask of the Red Death. Those characters couldn't hide from the plague, and we can't hide from our social responsibilities. They'll just come back and bite our ass, or the ass of our loved ones. It's each and every person's duty to make the world better, and if a lot of that falls on the more "blessed", read wealthy, amongst us, then so be it. All they have to do is pay for it, the committed will do the in the trenches work.

You need to make a careful distinction between helping people in need and perpetuating bad behavior. One is noble, the other is self serving under the guise of being good. Angelus started the thread with the question about social reformers moving society forward. That should be the litmus test for being committed. Are you helping society, or merely trying to feel good about yourself?

We all see life from the acts that directly affect our lives. Just because we see an act of kindness as being benefical, we fail to see how it may affect others negatively because of our blind desire to fulfill our agenda without fully exploring all of the consequences of our actions.

Agreed, the blind faith of "do gooders" is infuriating, they are as bad as the meek who let everybody else sort out the real problems. Using faith and principle to hide their true nature as a total wimpy coward who cannot hack it. Yes, the meek will inherit the earth and after the war they are welcome to it.
Do gooders always take the arm of the old man crossing the street, never realsing he is after a kiddies help. Do gooders think priests and scouts spending all their time with kids are not wierd. Do gooders never ask why this lazy arse old man/woman in hopsital spent her whole life (on the social drinking free gin) in the casino instead of saving for her old age. Or why this illegal immigrant has really fled his hometown.
It is my curse I See these things. My comments are not to criticise but to enlighten. Do gooders should Stand close to the mirror, see yourself and reflect on why you do it. Then take that thousand yard gaze and look more carefuly.
For it is ignorant to pity those who do not deserve pity.

As someone that has known committed people and was held for the possibility of that outcome, its pretty pointless for the vast majority of people. unless there is a huge risk for hurting others people are just gonna do what they want to do.
locking someone up for 6 months or a year doesn't do anything but delay the outcomes.

as for lifetime.? dunno, who can say if someone is that much of a danger.

would van gogh have been as good of a painter if we had locked him up for cutting off his ear.

what about honest abe, could he have gotten us through the civil war in the US if not for his crazy psycho wife.?


sanity if way over rated.

There is no such thing as sanity it is just a word used to approximate. If one does not fall into the approx. outcome of western values/programming one is labelled mad and committed (if dangerous).
Rock the boat and strange consequences, lie down in the street and see what happens.

this was intended to illustrate how the social reformers, like honest Abe [[who I admire greatly]] have helped advance our society.

how have the greedy helped advance our society?

Our language tends to dichotomize philosophies when we use extreme words. I understand it's illustrative - greedy vs do-gooder, but for the more literal amongst us, it means we see the hard-drinker now on subsistence rather than the cleaning lady who worked hard all her life. How do you make the choice who to help?

In a society, it's hard to investigate and choose who gets help. If we did that, then all fat people should be denied medical services for the bad food choices that led to their heart attack. Or, what about the smokers? Or, the good citizen who smokes, eats sausages and ice cream, and watches the telly for most of the night? We all know people like that.

We're all burdens on each. We're pack animals and there's a pecking order, but even among wolves the lowly can move up, and the lowly can be incentivized. Not sure that's a word. Basically, most of us don't want to be separated from the group, so we cooperate.

Humans do seem to seek isolation, but I think that's a learned coping mechanism. Training starts early. Humans want to learn and cope with their environment. They learn not to based on their environment.

Greedy? Thomas Edison is known for his inventions and immense ability to deal with what didn't work and learn from it.

But he was also a tremendous promoter, even going so far as to publicly electrocute an elephant to demonstrate his electrical device. Not sure he did this out of greed, but he needed some wealth to continue to work in his lab.

I totally agree.Us people who are good-doers and help people often get called crazy or looked down upon because we have good intentions.In my personal opion there need to be more people like that in this world.I myself am a good-doer/vamp and people always frail upon my good deeds.So to all of u out there with a kind heart,weather vampire or what religion you are if u are a good -doer then u continue.We don't need to be commited cause of who we are.

I respect you for coming and saying so, a question if I may.
What motivates you, perhaps there are many reasons ?

while reading this I got kind of upset. good doers have their own reason and this world needs them for one reason or another.

where would you be if heaven forbid you were in a car accident and there was no blood to put back into your body because the volunteers who donate the blood quit. Most don't stop and think how far stretching a simply act of kindness can go. Such as volunteers who help after a natural disaster only for the simple reason they were helped once upon a time.

I understand that in some instances its no longer helping but enabling discouraging behavior to continue. However on the whole volunteering and freely helping is a good thing and should be continued.

These are my opinions.

I totally agree. Helping others is a good thing and needs to continue. I'm sure everyone can point to both good and bad coming out of such behavior. Usually more good. My point is that the focus seems to be on the action "volunteering, helping others", when the focus should be on the outcomes of the actions.

I am all for a degree of Pay It Forward.

It is the competitive philanthropist, and volunteers that murk up the waters, and provide fodder for those who want excuses to not do their due.

remind me you said that, when you're waiting for a meal Dabs.

[[it might happen]]

I personally dedicate time to local services, I have been both a server, and a person served.

I am not against generousity, or acts of selflessness.
Sadly there are people who abuse services, but this should not be fodder for people who want an excuse to not help.. the ole'

"Why bother, they just don't apprieciate the help."

Gloom to such people! To such people I wish dispossession.

Everyone is called to a degree to help others, not all who are called profess their duties, there is no shame in declaring ones acts of selflessness, unless one berates others for not being as selfless as you.

To base you life in somthing,either to help out or go against.. is somthing we all do.This is natural,if you are good at somthing you must show your talents.It makes one feel good to do or go against an objet,person or job.To feel appart of somthing,a change for better or worse.this is how life and death works.If no one was committed at anything.. this would be a sad world indeed.No new advances in science,no structure..no nothing.no cures,no wars... everything will be in ruins.Just think...even bugs have order to committ into what they do best,even wolves have this in a pack.It's one of thoes questions that is just basic knowledge.If you're bad at somthing..don't committ to it.Cause their is no function in it.

i have to say ive spent my whole life volunteering to kids and adults w physical and developemental disabilities from local spec school dist fundraisers..including planning..to spending 2 yrs as solely a vol. as a house parent 24/7 teaching job skills..and all this because of a brother w the mind of a preschooler at age 36 cp epilepsy kidney failure and tourrettes...some times its not about anything more than putting a real smile on someones face ....cant be bad bc ive only seen the countless good

your re a strong person and you have my up most respect :) i'm happy with what your doing. :) i lost my cousin too a disability and what you do he would be thankfull for you :)

Those that know me know what I do for a living and know that I help others when ever I can but I do so only after taking the time to reflect on all of the balancing factors.

Doru made mention to this concept earlier in the thread with this statment:

We all see life from the acts that directly affect our lives. Just because we see an act of kindness as being beneficial, we fail to see how it may affect others negatively because of our blind desire to fulfill our agenda without fully exploring all of the consequences of our actions.


A great example of this is you see a bum on the street - it's Christmas and you decide to give him a 20 bucks... after all it's Christmas. A couple of warm meals won't solve the homeless problem but it will make a difference for this one person... right??

But will it really help??
What about all of the other unforeseen balancing forces that are effected or flat out removed by your actions??

You give him the 20 and after you leave the man is beaten senseless for the money by a group of others that saw you give him the 20 dollars and the man spends Christmas in a hospital.
By being generous you made the man a target and you did more harm than good. If you ignore the balance and laws of Karma not just in your life but in the world around you then when you make choices even with small acts of kindness greater tragedies can be born. Life itself has a flow and balance to it... when you do things is almost as important as what you do.
This is a concept that most would not truly understand and shows how far ahead of the curve you are Doru.

to further on from Vampgon, I am a creator and a carer, that's me...

and perhaps, just when it's right to wear the mask?

Naaaa... guess I'm just being gloomy.. but, sometimes, I do think the ciommitted should be, committed that is.

What motivates me is my passion and drive for helping the less fourtunate.Eventho i have my darkside I still and always will have a heart and help people all i can,despise the way i've been treated in my past .Everyone deserves to be treated fairly.

someone further back talked of two sides.. providing balance.. Yin to Yang, mayhap?

indeed balance yin/yang..good/evil cant be one w/out the other

then there are those of us who have completely improved our lives so to speak no script we do what feels good we do what makes us happy we take an alternate look at life and as far as treating people equal..i feel someone should be treated how they deserve and want to be not ness equal just my opinion

I agree Touchjewlz. Equal is over rated. People should be treated as they deserve. Equal ends up rewarding the bad while punishing the good.

although she is right: and it is an ideal, I fear Cabrion is right. Few people get what they 'deserve'...

...their aspirations are all too often material.

And, what do you have when that is gone...?

They do it for the same reason ppl sit on msgboards & wonder about others more motivated than themselves. To pass the time before we all die.
Though I give them credit - doing stuff like that has many more rewards & makes a far greater change than talking about it. I mean caring for a sick person actually accomplishes something, gives you the sense you've done something.

Why not take a day to understand that which you question & go do...something. you will learn a lot more from the experience than from this discussion.

A lot of us Are active on those fronts.

what fo you have when materialistic things are gone..ill tell you love..laughter..happiness..among other things...those are the things i aspire for..because honestly what is money houses cars etc. without those things...just a bunch of junk then you still r unhappy and unloved

Touchjewlz: I'm quite happy w/my stuff. You see I'll never come home to my designer shoes f*cking the maid or have to put up w/being nagged by my purse. The pretty clothes in my closet always notice when I dress up for a special occaision & my electronics always leave me satisfied.

While people may find happiness in posessions - no one has ever found 'happiness' on a message board.


Then again I believe the majority of the people on here are commitable...I mean just read through the forums one day & contimplate the difference between being a vampire and being jfk or napolean. I mean aside from the obvious fact that being jfk or napolean are relatively harmless compared to being a vampire.

TheMonsterYouAdore,

Your constant use of vulgar language, even if censored, is not called for in the forums, along with your digs on members of Vampire Rave. Please refrain from doing this. Thanks.

I see you Severus...;) ...and I'll meet your bet..:p

Balance in all things is key..this is true, however the balance would seriously be distraught and upset if those led by their heart of hearts refused to listen to the still small voice that lends one to give $20 to a homeless man. The Balance is never set to one extreme or the other, you know that. We all play our part.

Dabs...Ditto my dear, I fully concur with you on that one.

Btw..Happy New Year to all...and To the Monster I Adore..may you be Blessed Always.

I think people have a right to volunteer and be a "goody-goody" if they so choose, despite what others think; it's the volunteers that help make the world a better Place.

Silver my dear, I wasn't saying that you shouldn't do good deeds... I said when and how you do them is a factor.

There is real evil in this world and choosing not to see or believe in the darkness won't protect you from it.
You make a choice to do good, not everone will make that same choice.

Just as the unfortunate fate of a homeless man can inspire you to do good Evil can also be inspired.
Just like good all the darkness needs is a reason, Your kindness could very well be that reason.
Pay attention to the laws and forces that govern the world around you... take note of the energies you feel inside and make a balanced choice or you run the risk of your actions having negative consequences.

I am fortunate I that I have had the time and opportunity to travel the world and see the Law of unforeseen consequences;
Very few, if any countries are not under pressure from humans. For instance, I went to New Zealand in 2008, the deforestation and influx of people from Indonesia /China etc had already begun. A year later I returned to see noticeable drastic changes. Christchurch was over run with immigrants, literally queues hundreds long down the street at the immigration office. The sacred Maori Springs polluted by algae from illegal nets and now devoid of fish. Rivers infected, forests over run by alien mice and rats. What a difference a year makes.
THE TRUTH~The world is terribly over populated, so let nature take its course. Malaria, mosquitoes are all natural balances and ignorant pop stars (Timberlake) and software engineers should learn some Biology and stop dabbling in global balances. They are ill equipped to truly comprehend how saving Billions will just lead to war and even more despair and hatred. Global food prices hit a record this week, why? too many people and bad weather both egged on by charities. Ignorant do gooder religions demanding 20 kids to expand their flocks...causing more hunger.
They will probably go radical and bomb our shopping malls. Ironically it will never occur to Gates and Co the reason he is picking up his Town folks arms and legs is because of what he did ten years ago?

Yeah, I know its crap being me ! LOL...A.N.

crap... ? no.
iluminating for us though mayhap??