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I looked and could not find any thing on this in the forum database, My question is this if we cloned blood would it hold the same "energy" as if the blood was taken from a live human?

hmmm don't know, my feeling sais no cause it's artificially made.

yes but it has to be "made" from a source that is human to begian with

I would have to agree with zilverscale its artificial and has no real soul or energy. But then who knows, maybe when you make life in a test tube you add a soul or essence to it as well.

it could i guess..but i really don't think it would have the same energy as in a living person..the clone although a false person will have a different energy flowing through it's body..than the real persons body energy..i feel that you can't clone the energy in the blood at all.

I'm not sure, but you would think that if was cloned exactly that it should be the same.

I have invested in a company that makes synthetic blood. There is no human antigens in it.

"cloning," which refers to the creation of a living biological entity from a single living cell or group of cells.

If you were to clone blood it would end the need to kill but you must find a sourse to start with.

and no it wouldnt loose energy the only way I suspect that happening is if you cloned blood that has already been cloned, making acopy of a copy.

interesting link stabb thanks

queenclover,

How would you consider the difference between the energy, or soul of a person and the blood which is created within that soul-filled body, to that of energy in blood formed outside of the human form and not subject to the same influences?

How does one clone the essence of the soul, in your opinion?

a clone is an exact replica so most likely yes, because they're a real human.... in some way? lol

Um.... I may be going off on a limb here but this is just my opinion....

Look at the clones they've already made. What makes them different besides the fact that they were copies? Their lifespan. They don't last very long at all. It's because that when you clone something, you're creating a new one but with an old cell. So even though it's a "newborn" it's technically just as old as the thing that it was copied from.

Hmmmm.. Interesting...
Personally, I wouldn't be certain that the blood would have 'energy' because It hasn't been 'active' in a system.

RachealxMxCx,

This is why the use of stem cells is being pushed so strongly- they are 'fresh' and can be 'grown' into any other kind of cell.

Yes Stabb but they still don't know what these cells turn out to be. They put a whole bunch of them into a man's brain, hoping to regrow some of it after an accident, and he ended up with toenails and hair growin on his brain rather than more brain cells.

This is very interesting.
I would assume so because cloned =exact duplicate

RachealxMxCx,

I was responding to the point which you were making, but since you mention it, this is one of many reasons why I personally object to cloning.

vamplez,

While it is possible to synthesize the biochemical makeup of blood, this is not part of the DNA structure and so, cloned blood cannot be an exact duplicate, as it would be missing numerous vital components, unless added later.

But that raises the question of quantity and balance.

Hm. I see my good friend Stabb has engaged in this conversation... I think I shall add a few stray thoughts if I may.

This topic has always been one of my personal favorites to meditate upon. Clone a creature by taking the cell of an original and making another. This is a great concept, but I have always wondered, how does one clone a spirit?

If we clone humans, at what point does the clone receive a spirit? Would the clone have a sense of morality? Could morality be encoded through learning? Brings up the possibility that all morality is borne of environmental influences.

Highly related to this line of thinking, cloned blood also lacks something important to be of any use to a vampire: spirit energy.

It is said that "the life is in the blood". This is true on a physical and metaphysical level. Blood carries life from one part of our body to the next by providing essential nutrients and elements required for cells to remain alive. Without this intricate network, the body would surely die.

Likewise, the blood also is associated as the physical counterpart to the spirit body network, which brings energy to the body and animates it with life, making it possible for the living being to enact change upon the physical world through force of will and in accordance with desire.

I believe that it is because of this close association that the blood can provide the energy nourishment that the vampire needs to survive. Blood that is cloned does not have this same association until it is set into a body to course through and intermingle with the spirit body network. At that point? Sure it's useful.

I dont see why it wouldn't be just as good because a clone is the same as a human it just isnt conceived from a womb.

chrisg4202000,

I think that the conversation has been about cloned blood, not blood from a cloned human.

Though the same question of identity and soul arises in either case, for me.

Perhaps they are, Chris, but again, how does one replicate a soul or the spirit energy of a living creature?

Is the soul built into the cells and tissues of the living creature?

Perhaps Jenova, the soul and DNA patterns are both integral and inspirational to one another?

I see the point, but I've always seen clones as artificial companions whether they be human or animal, seems to me that they could be somewhat "programmed" to ones liking.

I agree with you Stabb and Jenova, I can't believe that you can give a clone essence or spirit. To me its not natural or part of the natural cycles of nature... whether its cloned humans, animals or blood. To me its not right and I will always be against cloning.

what im trying to say, not to stray off subject is that if I was going to clone blood I would go ahead with the whole process of cloning the body so in turn it would be more or less a blood factory. lol

LadyWinterRogue,

Perhaps then, this is why clones of animals have such a high 'failure' rate, that the aging process is more rapid- because that essential spark of 'true life', is missing?

Maybe it is a potential area of study, as to how the spirit energy of a being helps to sustain the physical.

To be honest Stabb it has always been my belief that the 'clones' that have been created don't exist for that exact reason. Part of me believes that mother nature stamps these things out. Nothing can survive without a soul or essence and the short life of the clones is proof enough to me.

well if you consider the laws of thermal dynamics on how matter never dissapates, then would not the energy that a human uses be considered his/her "soul" so in cloning a human we would be creating a whole new "energy" or "soul" ?????

well put dragonspawn thats a very good example of what Im trying to say as well.

dragonspawn,

I have tried several times to understand what you mean in your post- could you clarify it please?

I agree, the surrondings and expeariance one gains through their life makes each person unique from anyone, even some one with the same DNA.

I do not think the soul is carried in blood. That would not make sense. We carry our soul in our aura. Drinking blood is only a way to get nutrients, not to obtain a soul.

Cloned blood holding the same energy....well if the hemoglobin was present I would think so....plateletts...etc..etc...it should, but if you're getting down to finer details....It would be almost impossible to replicate the SAME DNA structure without a glitch.

It seems like every time something is reproduced using science it loses it's original quality.

Please tell me at this point, after all we've done that someone notices this...

I don't think so, I dont think it can be done.

They notice Maia but scientists have an agenda all their own.

Has anyone ever tested it to see if it works? that would be interesting to study the effects.

what I mean is that is it the blood or the host that carries the "energy" we get from feeding off of blood I got a little off subject but someone posted something about cloning a human host I was just asking about cloning just the blood

Okay, here's another stupid question.....

Blood cells are always changing right? And even one cell dies rather quickly and a new one is formed to take it's place. So if they are always changing and dieing how in the world are they able to study them long enough to make and exact replica? There's got to be something missing in there that they aren't catching. You can't make an exact replica of something. Sure it'd look the same, but to be EXACT wouldn't that include having about the same lifespan.....

Maybe I'm just an idiot but would someone care to help me out with that? :P Please and thank you!

Rachael I think you bring up a good point something that changes so rapidly cannot be copied so easily. I think thats why clones have short lifespans.

As for dragonspawns ideas, I personally think its the host that carries the essence. Not the blood itself, I think thats why cloned body parts would work in the human body.

RachealxMxCx you should read the link left by stabb666 it has many good points

LadyWinterRogue that is what I am thinking to if it was not the host and was just the blood we could feed off of just about anything including dead hosts but as I have found out once the host is "dead" the energy is no longer there to feed from *don't ask how I know this :)*

Hm... well, a clone is merely a copy. It is pretty much programmed to be someone else right down to the fingerprint. I don't think a cloned person would have a soul, as it is a simple creation from a small strand of someone elses DNA. Therefore, I don't think cloned blood would be have nearly the same effect as, say, my blood. :)

If the blood is from a human then i think it would have energy in it, but if it was just blood in a tube then i wouldent think it would have the same energy....

RavenKnight, I agree wholeheartedly but at the same time I don't. To clone blood, yes, a sample of someone elses blood is needed I am sure. But it can't be that big of a sample, and from that little bit of blood taken, it is then multiplied in a fashion that makes me question the energy in it. Science can only go so far... while we can duplicate things, we can't duplicate the energy in it... everyones energy is quite different. Do they even have a way of measuring said energy in a persons blood?

Ok... so those of you who have actually read all the posts in here know how I feel on the whole cloned bit.... As far as the blood having energy.......

Doesn't every cell in the body create it's own energy? Just doing the normal tasks it's supposed to do emits energy and that's what gives us energy, right? I think that's what they told us in class... Can't quite remember. lol

There is going to be a lot of debate on this but personally I don't think it would matter either way, clone or not, because even though a clone of anything is just that, they still posses their own unique energy...

humans don't really have souls - that's just something we made up so you don't all go mad.

I like your idea Karnstein. :P lol

LadyWinterRogue

I just wanted to ask where you got your information on the lifespan of cloned over natural? I have not heard this before and I believe, if I remember biology correctly, the first cloned sheep, Dolly, lived an average life. Cloning does not shorten the life expectancy to my knowledge. Please elaborate on this.

yes bc they are living humans just with the same dna as someone else

well if I remember right blood cloning maybe like sheep cloning so the blood may not be as uses as real blood

I believe that the real energy and substance from the blood comes from the person themselves. Even though it's "cloned" it isn't the real energy from that person; just some knock-off substitute.