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Do you beleave that Spirit Force can affect enery patterns good and bad or even nutralize them all together?And is The Serpent Fire any way related to the Egyptian GOD RA?




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I am asking to get everyone elses view on this,it's all for comparison.



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I believe that spirit force can alter certain things. Like weather patterns for example or perhaps maybe plants or other types of life.



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yeah i agree wiht wehat cele said



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the spirit force can have effects in such a way if one trains and utilizes these in such a way it can be for good as well as bad it is possible to manipulate certain forces through the spirit once one reaches a certain level of concousness and awareness.



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First of all, your 2 questions are very different and therefore should probably be 2 different threads.

Yes, the spirit force can effect energy patterns of people/things around it.

As far as the Serpent Fire and Ra, I really have no clue.



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I would have to agree with mt above me



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of course. The spirit is the force by which we interact with the subtle reality,

The serpents of Ahriman and Az or the Kunalini serpent, are ways to stimulate the drawing of energy up the chakra points. The energy flows outward from the core of the body, so if you channel it up or down the you have the ability to direct its energy with your spiritual force achieving which ever form of manifestation you desire.



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I believe that spirit forces can and do alter energy. that is why it gets cold when ghosts are present and sometimes we catch glimpses out of the side of our eyes of them. manipulating energy.



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!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



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I believe energy can be manipulated.

So many old cultures wrote about chakra's etc.

Also so many warnings lol

Remember the Priest castes of these cultures also had a vested interest in keeping secrets.



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My high school Mythology is failing me so I can not assist with the second part of your question,.

As for the first: if the spirit force of which you speak is what the Asian Community would refer to as ki or chi, the answer for me is these powers have only the limitation put on them by their practitioners. I have seen incredible things done by those who have developed their 'inner power'.



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i think the spirit force can affect many things based on what kind of power it has. The more power, the more things can be effected and noticable. Some may not have enough power to effect things so if we notice it we brush it aside like its nothing



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Of course. Energy reacts to energy.
As for your second question, I have no clue.



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noo sir



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depends on which side the spiret energy comes from. and serphant fire is slipher the egyption god



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the kundalini "serpant fire" is a sun aspect but more of a connection to a goddess than to the god but yes there most likely is some type of connection to "ra" but if you were to use a connection to a sun goddess you would have a much more effective away of awakening your own kundalini..it is said when one gets close to awakening their serpent of fire "kundalini" that there will be instances of fires and snakes be it metaphorical or in real aspect the awakening of the serpent is one that not many can handle and can take many years of training to acomplish.



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i found this piece of information to be helpful and interesting concerning the kundalini force of energy.

Long rumored to be among the most rare of human experiences, in the past several decades, the incidence of reported Kundalini awakening has been on the increase worldwide. Kundalini awakening manifests on multiple levels. "Brought up through the body, this power promotes healing and longevity," writes transpersonal psychologist Ralph Metzner; "raised to the throat and head, it stimulates creativity and intuition." (from The Unfolding Self: Varieties of Transformative Experience) The radical restructuring of the psyche catalyzed by Kundalini leads to a state which Metzner says "has been variously referred to as mystical experience, ecstasy, cosmic consciousness, oceanic feeling, oneness, transcendence, union with God, nirvana, satori, liberation, peak experience, and by other names."

With all mystical experience, verbal descriptions are at best a pale facsimile. Firsthand accounts of the vertiginous ascents and plunges of the unleashed Kundalini read like poetry, sci fi, or madness. In his book The I That Is We, Richard Moss referred to his ongoing process as his "atomic cell disruptor." Gopi Krishna -- who wrote one of the earliest and most influential Kundalini autobiographies -- found himself "staring with growing panic into the unearthly radiance that filled my head, swirling and eddying like a fearsome whirlpool..." (from Living With Kundalini) Psychiatrist and meditation teacher Gabriel Cousens spoke of feeling "like a plane reaching speeds and energies at which the wings were about ready to come off." (from Spiritual Nutrition and the Rainbow Diet) Composer and musician A. Coltrane-Turiyasangitananda (aka Alice Coltrane) said she "succumbed to the sound of planetary ether," hearing a spinning sound that whirled and revolved at such velocity, she fell into an unconscious state. (from Monument Eternal)

In his book The Soul's Journey, Lawrence Edwards, Ph.D. -- a transpersonal psychologist who has experienced Kundalini -- writes: "Even within the most bound forms of the physical realm the full power and presence of God, of Divine Consciousness, are present. The release of that bound energy is like the release of the potential energy bound in matter that suddenly results in the extraordinary power and light of nuclear reactions. The awakening of the Kundalini is the release of the bound Power and Light of God present within the human form."

Particularly in New Age circles, Kundalini proponents hold out promises of bliss, inner peace, mystical odysseys, psychic power and self-transcendence. While this is true, the journey also entails what transpersonal psychologist Bonnie Greenwell, Ph.D., describes as "physical collapse, psychic chaos, and personality upheaval, elements of human transformation that uproot us to the core, and cause us to 'know' that we have been touched by powers greater than ourselves." (from Energies of Transformation)

A Kundalini awakening is celebrated as an extraordinary gift for healing and growth, but the early stages (which can last for months or years) can be exceedingly difficult. The risen Kundalini restructures the body and the psyche in a process which extends through various stages of psychological and physiological clearing. As anyone who has been through this initiation can testify, these changes are radical and real. The influx of high vibrational energy throughout the system produces an array of physical symptoms and strange sensations. This energy can be strong enough to interfere with exterior electrical fields. Lights may flicker or blink off and on, and electrical appliances may malfunction in peculiar or paranormal ways.

The Kundalini process repeatedly cycles through the stages of the mystic path outlined by Evelyn Underhill: (1) awakening or conversion to divine reality; (2) purgation and purification; (3) illumination, visions, ecstatic states; (4) death, "the dark night of the soul"; and (5) union with the divine.

B.S. Goel, who spent nearly twenty years buffeted between agony and ecstasy in his long Kundalini awakening, spoke of reading and rereading Swami Muktananda's and Gopi Krishna's accounts of their own staggering Kundalini experiences. He said that this reminder that others before him had struggled and endured equally monumental highs and lows in their spiritual evolution "often gave me courage and solace." (from Third Eye and Kundalini)

When employing traditional methods to raise the serpent-power, it takes a decade or longer to complete the task. According to the spiritual teacher Dr. R.P. Kaushik, yogis were expected to undertake twelve years of intensive work to safely elevate the Kundalini. And following sanctioned methods was no guarantee of success. Kundalini releases "so much unconscious material" and "so many different obscure energies" says Kaushik, that "this whole process was a bit dangerous, frightening, and lengthy." (from The Ultimate Transformation)


Defining Kundalini

"There is nothing in either this world or the next which is beyond the domain of Kundalini." -- Tantric Saying

Essentially, Kundalini is "associated with the spiritualizing of body and mind," says Greenwell, "expanding the capacity of the human to experience and hold the infinite." (Energies of Transformation)

The most succinct (if understated) synopsis of a Kundalini awakening I've come across is Buddhist teacher Jack Kornfield's, who calls it "a whole series of powerful energetic phenomena." While not inaccurate, to the extent that his statement evokes images of a lively aerobics class, it's a bit like calling Mozart a piano player. From a somewhat scientific standpoint, Ralph Metzner comments: "At this point, all that can be said about the phenomenon... is that it involves some aspect of bioelectricity, or what Russian researchers refer to as `bioplasmic' or `psychotronic' energy." (The Unfolding Self)

In a more classical definition, consciousness pioneers Stanislav and Christina Grof refer to Kundalini as "creative cosmic energy." Once activated, the Grofs say this energy "rises through the channels in the 'subtle body,' which is described in the yogic literature as a field of nonphysical energy surrounding and infusing the physical body. As it ascends, it clears old traumatic imprints and opens the centers of psychic energy, called chakras." (Spiritual Emergency)

Wrote Gopi Krishna: "With the awakening of Kundalini, an amazing activity commences in the whole nervous system, from the crown of the head to the toes. In Chinese documents this phenomenon is described as the 'circulation of the light' and in Indian manuals as the 'uprising of shakti,' or life energy. Nerves in all parts of the body whose existence is never felt by normal consciousness are now forced by some invisible power to a new type of activity, which either immediately or gradually becomes perceptible to the subject." (Kundalini for the New Age)

Although the Sanskrit word "Kundalini" originated in India, this dramatically regenerative process has been recorded in nearly every culture and religion in the world. The transformational energy the yogis call "shakti" (the risen Kundalini) is alternately known in other traditions as Holy Wind, Serpent Fire, Vital Winds, Seiki (mystical Japanese), mana loa (Hawaiian Kahunan), Lung (pronounced "loong," this is the Tibetan term which literally translates as "wind"), the greater kan and li (esoteric Chinese), huo (Taoist) and tumo or Dumo Fire (Buddhist). These metaphoric names describe the tremendous rushing, burning, spiralling and wavelike physical sensations of the aroused spiritual energy. When the Kundalini rises, these sensations may be subtle and pleasurable, or they make strike with unexpected gale force, literally thrashing the body around like an internalized hurricane. And Kundalini is renowned for setting the body ablaze with incandescent inner heat. (When I was experiencing this, I had uneasy thoughts of spontaneous human combustion.) The Buddhist tumo literally translates as "fierce woman."

People who have never experienced Kundalini tend to think these descriptive metaphors imply something abstract. A man once posed the question to an Internet Kundalini list: "How does the Kundalini heat manifest itself?" The answers came back: "As HEAT. It feels HOT!"

Kundalini has been called the lifeforce -- the vital, animating current within all creation. The energy of Kundalini has been used everywhere in the world for healing and accessing spiritual experience. The Greek philosopher, mathematician and physician Pythagorus knew it as pneuma, which, according to metaphysical researcher Mary Coddington, "came from a central fire in the universe and provided man not only with his vitality, but his immortal soul." The Turkish genius and founder of neurology Galen, born in 129 A.D., also spoke of pneuma. (Mary Coddington, Seekers of the Healing Energy)

Hippocrates seemed to be aware of it as well; he referred to it as vis medicatrix naturae. To the French philosopher Henri Bergson, it was the elan vital. The brilliant physician Paracelsus, born in 1493, was convinced of "a healing energy that radiates within and around man like a luminous sphere," says Coddington. "This force, which he called archaeus, could operate at a distance and was able both to cause and cure disease."

In a book entitled Comte de Gabalis, published in Paris three hundred years ago, the Abbe N. de Montefaucon de Villars was quite familiar with Kundalini: "The primordial electricity or solar force, semilatent with the aura of every human being, was known to the Greeks as the Speirema, the serpent coil; and in the Upanishads, the sacred writings of India, it is said to lie coiled up like a slumbering serpent." (Kundalini for the New Age)

The Flemish chemist Jan Baptista van Helmont perceived magnetic fluids emitting from the body; in the 1800's, Mesmer described this phenomena as a mobile fluid which could be influenced for healing purposes. The famous psychic Edgar Cayce, Coddington notes, "described a flow of energy in the body that is shaped like the figure eight, with the lines crossing at the solar plexus." And D.D. Palmer, who is credited with founding chiropractic medicine, identified a life energy which was also to be found in "that Intelligence which fills the universe." He named it the "Innate." Says Coddington, "This Innate was the power that kept the automatic system functioning, and it expressed itself through the nervous system."

This lifeforce or energetic expression of the divine is known by many names in other cultures. The Mexican Huichols call it kupuri, the Dakota Indians speak of wakan; the Hurons of oki; the Algonquian of manitou; the African Sotho of moya; the Bantu of nzmbi; the Australians of joja; the Dajak of Indonesia of petara; the Batak of Sumatra of tondi; the Eskimos of quaumaneq, the Hebrews of ruach; the Chinese of chi or ki.

Traditionally, the Hindus regard Kundalini as the divine mother, the earth goddess indwelling in all form and phenomena. The Sanskrit word kundalin, according to mythologist Joseph Campbell, means "that which is coiled or spiral in nature." Charles Breaux says that this "refers to the spiral patterns of energy found throughout the natural world, from the DNA molecule to the shape of galaxies." (from Journey Into Consciousness)


Fire and Snakes

"Everything becomes fire, and from fire everything is born." -- Herakleitos


Searing heat is Kundalini's classic signature. It may blast up the spine, torch localized areas of the body, or come as hot flash episodes. The heat is so fierce it sometimes feels as if one is about to burst into flames. Religious descriptions of hell fires which torment the soul may have originated as commentary on the suffering endured by initiates in the throes of Kundalini heat.

Theosophist G.S. Arundale tells us that the verb kund means "to burn" and is significant in relation to the fiery aspect of Kundalini. He goes on to say that kunda refers to a hole or a bowl -- "Here we are given an idea of the vessel in which the Fire burns." And kundala represents a coil, spiral or ring, which expresses the way the inner fire unfolds. "Out of all these essential derivatives," says Arundale, "the word Kundalini is born, giving creative femininity to the Fire, Serpent-Fire as it is sometimes called, the feminine creative power asleep within a bowl, within a womb, awakening to rhythmic movement in uprushing and downpouring streams of Fire." (Kundalini: An Occult Experience)

The Kundalini serpent/fire are archetypal symbols found in the world's spiritual traditions. Among other things, fire signifies purification and spiritual energy. It appears in sacred literature from Moses' encounter with God in the burning bush to the Rig Veda's statement: "Universal Order and Truth were born of blazing Tapas."

In her analysis of Teilhard de Chardin's work, religious scholar Beatrice Bruteau says that Teilhard often equates the primal energy of the universe to a devouring divine fire: "It is... pointed out by science in the form of the various energies of the world, from nuclear fusion in the stars, to life, to soul. In all these ways, `See, the universe is ablaze!' he cries. Fire is, for Teilhard, the archetypal energy; it represents the ultimate energy of which all other energies are special manifestations... Everything is illumined and animated from within by this divine Fire. God is in the world as `a universal transparency aglow with fire.'" (from Evolution Toward Divinity)

In what sounds suspiciously like a description of the awakened Kundalini, Bruteau continues: "For we ourselves are now the fuel of this living flame... We must open our arms to `call down and welcome the Fire.' It is not enough to contemplate this 'super-substantial, personal Fire which solicitously preserves what it consumes. We must resolutely give ourselves to it as food."

"Fire is the transformative element par excellence," remarks Ralph Metzner. He notes that it is universally associated with "processes of purification, purgation, destructuring, and the dissolving of limitations and obstructions." Metzner points also to the mention of fire in old alchemical texts, which refer to "liquid fire," "living fire," "elemental fire," or "invisible fire", all of which personify Kundalini. Describing the miseries of the cleansing process, a seventeenth-century alchemical tome states: "The old nature is destroyed, dissolved, decomposed, and, in a longer or shorter period of time, transmuted into something else. Such a man is so well digested and melted in the fire of affliction that he despairs of his own strength." (from The Sophic Hydrolith)

While the inner flames purifying and tempering the soul may feel horrendous, Metzner reminds us that even the biological response of fever to illness occurs as a bodily attempt to burn away toxins and bacteria, "thereby accelerating the healing process." Says Metzner of his own trials by fire: "This process brings about definite changes in the psychophysical totality: a dissolving of emotional and mental fixations, a melting and releasing of hard, painful tensions in the body, a cleansing of the `doors of perception' so that inner and outer realities are seen more clearly, and a reduction of separative factors blocking inner unification. These changes are experienced as healing, both physically and psychologically, and as accelerating the individual's growth toward a more integrated, whole sense of self, though the process itself can at times be quite painful." (all Metzner quotes from The Unfolding Self)

The other emblem of Kundalini, the serpent or snake, is universally associated with Goddesses and represents primordial energy, great mysteries, cosmic forces, and, by virtue of shedding its skin, rebirth. To the Australian aborigines, a spirit snake is believed to be the female creator of the world and represents a growth and vitality principle. This definition would apply equally to Kundalini.

"The serpent has long represented the power of mystics," says dance and fitness instructor Karen Andes. "The Kundalini cobra is not the only one. The snake appears in old woodcuts of alchemists who tried to turn base metal into gold... snakes represented the primal wisdom of the Earth..." (A Woman's Book of Power)

The snake appears in the spiritual literature and religious art of nearly every culture on earth. In some portrayals, it has an evil connotation, standing for unregenerate or unconscious impulses. In Egyptian and other lore, even such a sinister snake represents the potential for good. The snake which has been conquered corresponds to forces which have been mastered, harnessed and rechanneled for the benefit of the psyche and humanity. Even so, Joseph Campbell maintained that "the usual mythological association of the serpent is not, as in the Bible, with corruption, but with physical and spiritual health." He writes: "In America, a feathered serpent god was recognized as symbolic of the power that casts off death to be resurrected." (Campbell quoted by Swami Muktananda, from Kundalini: The Secret of Life)

"The Kundalini watches over the door to the Brahman [God-knowledge], but she is also the creator of the world, the world mother who went to sleep and coiled up in the Muladhara after sparking the earth to life," says psychoanalyst Arnold Mindell: "As the snake she is an earth goddess. She is also called the `sad widow' because she has forgotten her heavenly origins." (from Dreambody)

Many of the Kundalini sensations echo the fire and snake motif. Undulating energies are felt throughout the body. The physical shaking and vibrating experiences have a serpentine quality. In fact, the spiritual teacher Dr. R.P. Kaushik has said that Kundalini is called serpent energy precisely because Kundalini energy always moves in waves. When the Kundalini is active, the hands, arms, head and entire body may move in involuntary sinuous, snakelike motions. Those with an active Kundalini often describe sensations in their spines that feel like little snakes or an electric worm wriggling its way up the back.

Karen Andes describes what may well be a depiction of awakened Kundalini in the famous Minoan goddess/priestess statue, with "her eyes wide, her body voluptuous, her whole being `charged' with the power of the snakes in her hands."

As I mentioned earlier, at the crux of my painful illness (but weeks before I realized I was involved in a Kundalini awakening), I awoke one night in angst, with every muscle from the soles of my feet to the top of my scalp writhing, wrenching and spasming. I cried out to Carl, wailing that my body felt like "Burning snakes!" Several weeks later I was to have another extraordinary snake-experience. Thankfully, this one entailed no pain, only pressure in the crown of my head. I was in quite an altered state at the time, and had the peculiar sensation that my skull had become oblong and egg-shaped... and that something alive was trying to hatch out from it. Although I could literally feel this procedure, I somehow knew the "hatching egg" was a metaphoric enactment. The hatchling broke free and wriggled down to my forehead; I was awed to recognize that the creature born from my egg-skull was a baby snake! Strangely, although the sensations from this were quite convincing, I was not repulsed in the least. To the contrary, I felt inexplicable joy. (It was not until some time later that the Kundalini symbolism became apparent to me.)

Another woman with an active Kundalini had a similar experience. She spoke of it as a light which wrapped around the top of her head and shone down over the front of her face in a way that reminded her of the Egyptian serpent on the headdress of the pharaohs. (Called the uraeus, this sacred cobra symbolized the creator Goddess.)

Those undergoing transformation often dream of snakes or fires. When the Kundalini is active or is about ready to rise, people may have dreams of being bitten by a snake or of snakes entering their bodies. In one case, a twenty-year-old man who had been unable to get medical help for his perplexing symptoms had a vivid dream in which a large snake spoke to him. Because he knew nothing of Kundalini symbols or symptoms, it was not until he later recounted this dream to some friends that someone finally made the connection.

A woman undergoing a relatively mild Kundalini awakening specifically asked for a dream to help her understand what was causing her illness. At the time, she didn't suspect it was anything but a physical problem. In her dream, a doctor showed her a little "worm" coiled in his hand. Interestingly, Joseph Campbell spoke of the Kundalini as a tiny snake, about the size of a hair.

Fires and snakes also appear in quite overtly during Kundalini awakenings. In his autobiographical book, Play of Consciousness, Muktananda mentions that snakes are often present during Kundalini awakenings. In his own case, a cobra lurked nearby (yet never harmed him) during the intense phase of his process.

Six months into my awakening, a new neighbor on the block was visiting next door. I looked out across the yard to see him showing off his pet -- a twelve foot long python! One man in a Kundalini process came home from an afternoon walk to find a large black snake sprawled at the foot of his apartment door. He lived in an urban area, and the snake was inside a locked entry hall! Another woman kept inadvertently tuning into radio and TV programs about snakes at the early stage of her Kundalini awakening.

Fires seem to break out in the vicinity of the one with the awakening Kundalini. Usually, these combustions occur as natural accidents. Several people in the throes of Kundalini awakenings have reported kitchen fires, which they attributed to their own "spacing out" while cooking. One woman undergoing an awakening found her bed on fire when a lit candle fell from the nightstand. Another "barbecued" her house when she left a bag of what she thought were cold fireplace ashes behind her house. The wind fanned sparks and set the back of the house ablaze.

When St. Teresa of Avila's Kundalini awakened, she became ill and fell into a death-like coma for four days, during which time a fire broke out in the convent. The week my Kundalini arose, Carl and I were startled in the middle of night by explosive sounds. The house next door (fortunately unoccupied at the time) was a flaming inferno. It burned almost to the ground before firefighters were able to extinguish the blaze.

In the fourth month of my Kundalini awakening, I had a particularly vivid dream in which the whole city was burning. My father appeared in the dream and, eyeing me suspiciously, asked if I was responsible for the fire. I told him I hadn't done anything to cause it. To which he ominously replied, "Yes, but it's happening because you are a shaman." (This was the first time any reference to my shamanic path was made in my dreams. The dream was prophetic in more ways than I realized.)

In the dream, the conflagration was a natural disaster called a "fire storm". The next day, recalling the dream, I thought it had been merely symbolic. I had never heard of a "fire storm" except in war devastation. Two months later, a cataclysmic fire storm (as the media called it) raged through Oakland, where I live, destroying 3000 homes.

I haven't heard of anyone undergoing a Kundalini awakening who was seriously hurt by either a snake or a fire, though a few have been injured. Yet I wouldn't underestimate the dangers of such occurrences. Like the risen Kundalini, fires and snakes represent powerful, unpredictable, and potentially devastating primal forces. Once unleashed, such forces cannot be taken lightly. I know of two people who committed suicide during overwhelming Kundalini episodes. I've met others who were locked in psychosis states for months or years. I don't mean to terrify anyone by these disclosures. I believe that for most of us, despite the severity and painfulness of our process, we will survive and even live to rejoice in our transformation. But it's important to give due respect to this experience. Even if we aren't always able to meet the next twist in our process with faith, courage or fortitude, it helps to remember the magnitude of what we are undergoing. Even the saints had a hard time enduring these things. How can we expect more of ourselves?

Sadly, we live in a society that pressures us to "normalize" everything, and to downplay or deny our extraordinary experiences. Being "in control" is extolled as the highest personal virtue. But those of us whose lives have been infused by spiritual energies know such control is illusory. Whether we feel elated and ecstatic or battered and broken by these energies, we cannot repress or stop them. Too often, this leads to self-condemnation.

What we are going through isn't normal, but that doesn't mean it's unnatural. We have become vehicles of the spectacular. It seems easier when we can accept whatever comes. It's okay to feel overwhelmed. It's okay to feel helpless, hopeless, angry and resentful. It's okay to feel incapable of suffering through another day, another hour, another minute of this incredibly demanding process. We need to be as compassionate to ourselves as we can. Perhaps on some deep, heroic level, our souls have volunteered to go through this incredible fire. And whether we go through it consciously surrendered, or kicking and screaming every inch of the way, we can't turn back. No matter what we may at any moment feel about it, we are on an awesome, ancient and sacred path.


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Yes i believe that spirit force can effect energy patterns of things around it and people also.



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As far as the serpent fire, I'm not really sure. But as far as the spirits, yes. They can effect energy patterns in the air. Which is why it might get cold all of a sudden, or a loss of energy. Anything like that because it effects you, and you effect it, and they effect everything else.



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Yes I too believe that there is good and bad energy that can manipulate your very existance.



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Honestly I think the spirit force can affect many things based on what kind of power it has. As for the serpent fire do not know.



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I really have no idea about Serpent Fire and Ra
but id like to know if u find out anything



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A spirit force can effect the surrounding. Just like a Strong fore keeps our bodies together.

I do not think the serpent and Ra are the same I always thought Ra as a dog headed creature.



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I believe that Spirit Forces can alter energy yesh. They can affect weather patterns, plants even people i think.
I think the more energy it has the more it will affect things.

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Sowie i'd don't know much about the other question you asked..

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I have a vivid memory of once being in such a fury I actually felt energy coming from my abdo region right up and out of my mouth.

At the time I had never heard of Kundalini but wondered afterwards if that is what it was connected with ?



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I think spirit force can be used in a positive and a negative way, it can affect every one and every thing around you.

But I really don't know any thing abour the Egyptian Gods, sorry.



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Carvall
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There is a good post on member articles about egyptian gods etc.



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yesh. i belive that spirtis affect everything. good or bad. but it is the posseser that has to dicide what and how there used. there are forces all around, that most can not control. but, for the few that can, the dicide what they do.


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Spirit force is energy. SO you could bend energy which way.



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ditto. energy is energy. Can energy move things? Seen a bulldozer lately?



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with a stong enough spirit a man can move mountains



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HotRodSuperBeast
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errrr.... a PERSON can move mountains! no flaming please, many women have stronger spirits than most men!



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yes it can affect the energy



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I think its a possibility, I mean I can't say yes or no unfortunately. I think any form of energy is capable of affecting anything even if its not aimed directly at that said object.



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as in the case of errant majick



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