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I have read, *in fiction of course* that a vampire can't catch the lycanthrophy disease and that were-animals can't get infected by vampires. why do you think this is? What would cause this?

Once a vampire always a vampire. Once a lycan always a lycan. and there is no myth about it

well maybe I should word that better.

K. GOT the once a vamp always a vamp etc thing down.

K
the reason why.
THE blood type.
Um. as most know IM NOT to comfortable posting about vampires in threads for the world to see so if you want to know more just ask me k. *in mail*

well according to Hollywood LOL! you can have both blood in you and your a superhero >> like in underworld 2 LOL Go figure.

Genetics one would imagine. same reason whites cannot catch cycle-cell. Or female are only the carriers of hemophilia.

I would have to agree with the whole genitics idea.

Lol underworld push back werekind about 300 hundred years..lol..But Gene i have to agree with that but one can be born half and half. with being born half and half i think it dominate gene will win...

Genetics could be an answer, however, why wouldn't it be possible with all the testing and mixing of dna these days?

I believe there are people that are half lycan and half vampire. I know a few of them. However the reason why I think that a vampire cannot become a lycan is because you are born a vampire or a lycan or a mixture. I don't really believe in turning.

for if vampirism and lycanthrope are in fact disease, than i believe one would cancel the other out. Underworld heh, I belive these two are totally seperate and myth is shown lack there of for the two as one.

It depends on genetics. The chromosomes that the vampire "disease" replaces can't then be replaced by the lycan or were-animal "disease".
But a hybrid that is born is a different story, because then you have genetic mutation and the two different strands of chromosomes forming together. Unless one does not carry over and the other stays dominant. Which is possible, a vampire mother and lycan/were-animal father could have a dominant vampire or dominant lycan/were-animal child, or they could produce a hybrid.

In the fantasy domain anything is possible.You can create your own response.Anything is good ;)

you've read the wrong fiction - try reading R. Chetwynd Hayes.

a cross between a werewolf and a vampire is a werevamp. a cross between a werewolf and a ghoul is a weregoo, a cross between a vampire and a ghoul is a vamgoo. hybrids can also mate with each other to produce a maddy, a raddy, and a shaddy. if a raddy was to mate with a shaddy or a maddy, the result would be a mock. if a mock was to mate with any other hybrid the result is a shadmock. shadmocks only whistle.

genetics

I think that vampires can't catch lycanthropy because they are undead and lycanthropy is a warm-blooded disease, kind of like rabies.

Now I'm not sure if a vampire could turn a werewolf into a vampire or not. I would guess not since werewolves regenerate so fast that a vampire just wouldn't be able to kill it even it it could drain all the lycan's blood.

The DNA of such beings would most likely make it hard for a transformation from one to the other or a mixture of both.

Each mitochondria from the two would clash with one another. Thus disapate. Blood is a tough compound to break. Unless the genetic strands were altered, I do not see this happening.

Think of it this way, Can you breed a dog with a cat, no, that is because they have a different genetic makeup, Lycans and Vampires are both hereditary (bloodline) Carriers of their own... disorder, to put it nicely, therefore I would assume they are immune to the others, however if you can find credible evidence of inter-species reactions I would like to know, this is a very interesting topic.

Thus my point is proven.

lol So far everybody seems to be looking at this as if it were a disease. In older myth both were considered curses. And bum bum bum. Curses Stack. While the Werewolf curse affected the living. the Vampire curse was usually attached to the dea. So what keeps a dead Werewolf from coming back as a Vampire? Nothing.

Though the idea of a Werewolf with large bat like wings is somewhat interesting. lol

It's interesting to think what the characteristics of a werevamp would be. Woudl they have the combined strength? And the combined powers? Hmm..a werewolf that can control your mind...it'd never have to lick its own ass again!

I did not mention disease, simply genetics.

It is in the blood now instead of simply being a curse, as mentioned above, genetics, I put it crudely earlier, I do not mean to call it a disease, while it technically is, I would call it more of a mutation.

It is in the blood now instead of simply being a curse, as mentioned above, genetics, I put it crudely earlier, I do not mean to call it a disease, while it technically is, I would call it more of a mutation.

i think i could be because once you are infected by a vampire(mmmmm vampire infections :) ) you are always a vampire and your blood cannot change. Same with were-animals

i think trying to mix the too would end up much like underworld, to tell you the truth, it seems like 2 very different afflictions, and i doubt that even genetics could fine an answer quickly if at all.

Depends on whose mythology you agree with.

It's all about DNA. I agree with many of those who posted before me so I won't say much. It's the blood type the makes the difference. Blood type that eliminates different microsomes.

The fiction vampire is dead...or undead really but a walking corpse.

The werewolf is an infection or disease. Last time I checked my fiction vampire handbook, vampires were pretty well immune to disease and infection. That sort of takes them out of the running.

Now whether an infected human werewolf would be cured of his lycanthropy by dying (ie becoming a vampire)...again...when we consult our fiction werewolf guide (part of the fiction monsters guidebook set...just $34.95)...we see that in almost every fiction tale of werewolves...upon death, they return forever to human form...cured in death as it were...so undeath since it first involves dying...would likely cure them.

That means there's really not a way to have a vampire werewolf...except for the fact that anything is possible in fiction and it was already done in Underworld.

Question..is everybody just saying dna cause of the movie underworld or have you all aways thought of were and vamps as a spices. I have always thought of my kind as a spices...not a curse...not a sickiness.

The 'spices' of life, Lajah?

The original question did bring up fiction...so curses and diseases (as well as DNA a la Underworld) are perfectly rational.

Lajah,

I personally have always viewed both Vampires and Werewolves as evolutionary
developments than our forefathers could not explain and so they became curses.

But as Felix said. The Original question was discussing myth and fiction so movie based ideas are as viable as any.

I am not sure but I have always wondered this my self, I guess because the vampire's blood would resist the infection of the wolf bite the same with the were wolf. Like maybe there is something in their blood that is more advanced and after being changed then once they are bitten by something else the thing in their blood kills off the infection before it can change them.

Maybe the writers just haven't thought of it yet .

Once a vampire always a vampire and once a lycan alway's a lycan there ant no turning back.

I'd think that it has to do with them being radically different states.

Vampirism has to do with dying. You die, wether by vampire bite, being a suicide, being executed, etc., and you rise from your grave after a set time (which varies by mythic tradition). Also, you're constantly a vampire. There is no 'trigger' for your condition; you either are, or are not.

Lycanthropy, on the other hand, is isolated to living beings. Also, bein a werewolf is a 'triggered' condition. Usually the full moon brings this on, but I'm sure there are stories from parts of the world that have thier werecritters transforming under different triggers. Also, while in man-animal form, the victim is thought to be consumed with a nearly mindless, animalistic urge for violence.

*shrugs* Just my thoughts on the subject.

If both were diseases or curses it could be argued that only one could be dominant in a human body

Im gonna have to go with the idea that they are both different states. In theory it could be possible that both states could exist in one person, but wouldnt it overload the system? Although, blood lust is blood lust, you know? Would it matter which form you had while exacting it?

To some it would.

Vampirism is believed to be a deathly (evil)... um... thing, whilst Lycanthropy is believed to be a natural/life (good) thing

ahh good point.

Umm, I'm gonna have to go with the Idea of the virus changing the chromosome structure of the "victim", once the disease has taken effect, and the Dna is different in the host, the other virus wouldn't have the same effect, so theoreticly once you have been turned by one, you cannot be affected by the other.

As far as the possibility of a Hybrid, if the two were to mate and the chromosomes were to b half vampiric and half lycan i think it would be possibe due to the fact that certain animals with similar dna structure can create offspring, though the offspring is usually infertile. I'm not sure if a Lycan Vamp Hybrid would be able to reproduce though, because the virus only changes the chromosomal structure, it doesn't add a chromosome, so a hybrid should ba able to reproduce, but I'm not a geneticist no I really couldn't tell you.

Morality in whether the kill is just or not, is important to some but not to all

Combined Viruses?

Not combined viruses, combined effects of the viruses, after the virus has taken effect.

The dna of the host is changed so if a vamp and a lycan were to have sex and one impregnated the other the offspring would have 23 chromosomes affected by lycanthropy and 23 affected by vampirism.

Tis might result in a hybrid, or it might just not work at all. Like I said I'm not really sure.

An effect of the Viral Vampirism is to kill the host... thus rendering seed and egg dead and incapable of reproduction

True, but if the virus keeps the body functioning, with a healthy supply of blood of course, so that the vampire can walk, speak, and things of that sort one could argue that the virus keeps cells functioning after death, in which case the reproductive cells shouldn't be an exception. So a vampire should be able to reproduce.

At least that's what I think, going by basic genetic theories they teach in high school biology.

Maybe highschool should teach about Vamps and Lycans... that'd be an Ace class

I'd definitely stop sleeping through class. 'course if I don't stop that anyway I'm not gonna graduate.

*smiles* Feel free to chat anytime Nephi... could always get into a nice debate... and a sense of humour to boot...

But all this depends on which of the countless versions of the myths people chose to believe

*returns smile* Sounds fun, I love a good debate.

And you are right about that, in some works all the vampire's body fluids are replaced by blood and they are incapable of reproduction, so depending on who's ideas you decide to agree with, there could be a million answers to this question.

Also I just had a thought, which might be a good topic for a thread, I'm just pretty sure I can't post a new thread yet.

WolvesDogs communicate by different barks, howls, and other noises usually having meanings like "i found food" or "there's a threat nearby" and body laguuage such as flattening out ears is used as well, and all of this is from instinct, it's not taught to them by parents or anything, like a human language. What I'm wondering is would Lycans, who generally are thought to pick up animalistic instincts upon infection, be able to interperate these barks and gestures and then be able to communicate with the animals on some greater level than a human would?

Genitics for sure.

I think the two can be the same. to think that you cant have a lycan-vampire. To me thats unheard of.

There is no real way to answer a debate like this

Guess not, just wondering if you had ever heard anything about it.

Nephi,

Lycanthropes are in affect a type of wolf... they'd possess the instincts and understand the languages

I geuess so, just something that crossed my mind.

*smiles* That's how threads like this come to be... keep em coming

*slight smirk* I plan on it.

Might run a few Ideas by you before I post threads, though.

By all means

Blood type. There's probably something in the blood that cancels the other out, and when you get a rare vamp or lycanthrope that is missing that you get hybrids. Like in Underworld.

this is getting really old. a vamp is a vamp a lycanthrope is a lycanthrope. its that simple no more no less

Lycans and Vamps have always seemed to be kindred spirits in the media... it's only natural someone would want to combine the two... but it's a fairy tale

I agree with the genetics idea......you would have to physically mix the dna to be able for it to be mixed properly

I believe we are what we are based on our spirits and we cannot catch a different way of being

the first ( bite ) re does all our dna,a nd it is locked in. it cant be re done, the one that you have, blocks the other from infecting your dna.

If my already existing human essence needs to share or combine with some other, than I rather share those of a vampiric undead creature, rather than the essence of an animal.

I would say that if you are talking fiction then anything is possible someone just has to tell the story. If you are talking about real life with people that believe themselves to be vampire or lycans then again I'd say anything is possible if that person believes it.

ok here goes.
a vampire is in need of new blood to sustain its body where as a lycan lives for the carnage and the flesh.it uses every part of the body as food.so there for one is a true disease where the other is simply an evolution or as some would liketo believe a de evolution.that is why i think that you cant get infected with the other strain.

Can i ask a question?How does one turn when a vampire bites him/her?

Depending on the part of the world you are looking at there is a myth that when a werewolf dies they rise as a vampire if the proper rituals are not performed. This would also mean that a vamp could not become a werewolf again.

i go with genetics.

I would guess since lycanthrops already have a disease, that they are probably immune to the vampire disease, but other than that i would not know...

I say it is due to genetics.but a hybrid could be possible.