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I have always been of the opinion that those of us who are Sanguin should be sure our donations are safe. It can be dangerous, if you don't know what you're doing. Give me your opinions about safe blood donors.

Do you have a designated donor, who's safe and healthy?

Do you make sure to use clean things to extract the blood?

Is safety important, and have you ever refused a blood feed from someone?

Go into detail on how you handle this for yourself and others.

I have no designated donor per se, but I do make sure I sterilize any equipment i use for feeding

I do not blood feed But i have not seen others do it either sooo many say they do it but i do not judge so i dont know what to say here other then my preyers are for your safty please be careful

This is why I brought this up. I've seen too many accidents and had a friend die from Hep C. I will only use healthy people, and my diabetic syringes and some alcohol or wipes. I do NOT use knives. And I do not repeat with the same syringe.

I make sure that my donor is disease free.

Fate, you are wise to do so. If i have doubts, I even request the person have a blood panel tests done and HIV done as well. If they refuse then it's so long, pal

The ingestion of blood is never a safe act, even if the blood is clean. Whenever you take on the chance to take a bit, the risks of disease, infection or worse do increase, not to mention it can cause an unsafe reaction within the stomach.

Whatever you do when you do ingest, in little amount, is all you can do, make sure your also have something else in your stomach instead of nothing, it, will, at least, be absorbed with the food and help the digestion go a bit smoother.

I eat before I take in blood. actually I'll have meat. If at the goth club which meets at a Mexican cantina/restaurant, I'll eat refried beans, for the protein. Also, as far as amount of blood yes it's very small amounts. BTW never drink huge amounts of alcohol before taking in blood.

Not many respect such aspects, some indulge in more dangerous aspects, such as drinking the blood of animals, which is a quick way to sickness, if not death. So long as you are safe, as it sounds, you should be fine. Just remember not to do so when your sick, your immune system is busy fighting off whatever is wrong and it could cause complications.

I steer clear of animal blood.

Animal blood is a definate no-no under any circumstances. Now you could make a Texas styled blood soup, because it's cooked.

Which is good, but there are some who are not educated, most, who recently awakened and confused and turn towards an alternative, not realizing it could kill them.

Well, that's one of the reasons I started this thread, and will post something on safe blood feeding

Which I commend you on, been some time since there was a post like this on here.

Yeah I just figured it was better to wait till I have a clean donor

There are several basic rules to follow. I've been lucky enough to have had the same donor for many years.

For the young ones out there, remember. Be Courteous, Be Kind. Make your donor as comfortable as possible. First time donors can be frightened. NEVER do anything without consent. Some are fascinated with the lure of the "dark" side that you live in, and a new donor can quickly say NO, if so, then it all stops there, never push anything.

Also, do not advertise who or what you are. The public in general will not approve.

I pay for blood work four times a year for my donor. More, if she requests it. She and I both prefer to be safe. While some of you cannot pay for such tests, I feel it's a courtesy, especially if she asks for it. If you live in a small town, I suggest that you get your donor's blood work done in a larger community. People in small towns tend to ask too many questions, especially if someone is showing up to get blood work done more than is necessary.

If I want to have a "session" I make a phone call. I'm always willing to get together with her, she may call me more often than I need/want, and I'll comply with her wishes. Again, they are doing me a favor.

Never Ever use your teeth/mouth to bite. Your mouth has more germs than you can possibly imagine. Infection from such a bite could cause many questions to be asked. Also, it can be painful and, could leave marks.

I leave it up to my donor as to what form of blood letting they prefer. Remember, comfort. Sometimes she will bring lancets, sometimes, syringes.

Don't gorge yourself. It's not healthy. Small amounts are safer for you, and your donor. She also likes to drink several sugar based beverages to push her blood sugar up before a session.

We prefer lights out, candles, soothing music during a session. It's all for the donor. There's much more than that, but, I won't give up all the details. No, there is no sex involved. That's between you and your donor.

I think those are some of the basics.

This thread is very interesting. I've developed a real taste for blood but have never tried it with another person... I'm curious, but have so many questions... its never easy to ask, and I never know where to look. There are very mixed opinions on sites like... the experience project. I'm lucky to have a close friend who shares the interest.

Ruairi, done correctly and safely it can be a great experience to both receive and give, as well. Randall, thanks for posting, man.

What happens between the donor and the vampiric is private but two members of a Council I am part owner posted this many years ago. I believe it was in 2006 or 7 on our forum. Generally I don't think it is so good to post some of these things and quite frankly talk about them but that is my opinion. I worry about impressional people trying these things that don't have a clue because they watched a movie and want to be a vampire which they cannot be. Fiction is one thing and real world something else. One of these people is in the VVC and the other if still active because I haven't talked to her in a long while is out of Los Angeles and at one time had her own House. It is pretty much common sense things and not something you probably couldn't find so I will post this guideline. I am not sanguinary.

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Blood Safety

Blood carries many diseases, and contrary to the mythos perpetuated by Hollywood, Vampires are NOT immortal, and we can get sick and die. We are NOT immune to bloodborne diseases. A good thing to remember is that if something is contagious in any form, whether it be through blood, sneezing, sexual contact, coughing, touch, anything, it can be passed very easily through sanguine feeding. Here are a few of the more common diseases that can be passed through the blood :

AIDS, Brucellosis, Chicken Pox (Varicella), Chlamidia, Colds,Diptheria, Food Poisoning, Gonorrhea, Hepatitis (A-B-C-D-G, yes there are 5 types of hepatitis), Herpes, Influenza, Legionnaires' Disease, Malaria, Measles, Meningitis, Mumps, Rubella, Scarlet Fever,Shingles, Spotted Fever, Strep Throat, Syphilis, Toxic Shock Syndrome, Tuberculosis, Typhus, Warts, and I am sure there are others as well.

The danger is not only through the blood. Donors can end up with scars, nerve damage, infections, anemia, etc. Both donors and vampires should get tested. The tests to request from your Doctor are: CBC, Chem 20 (chemical profile or SMAC), VDRL (STD profile), and HIV.

The Red Cross does not allow more than one donation of 1 pint (473.18ml) of blood to be given per any 8 week (56 days) period.

1ml = 1cc.
5cc = one teaspoon.

Two teaspoons of blood per day equal 70ml of blood per week, 280ml per month, and 560ml per two month period. This is 86.82ml's more than the recommended amount allowed by the Red Cross for the same period of time.

If you are Sanguine (or a donor), always look out for the health of your donor (or yourself if you are the donor), and watch for symptoms of anemia, fatigue, problems concentrating, vampiric tendencies (does not mean they are a vampire, just means they have been over fed from), mood swings, loss of consciousness, irritablity, poor coordination, dizzyness, headache, nausea, pale skin, etc.brain damage, organ damage, coma, and or death. Remember, severe blood loss can cause brain damage, organ damage, coma, and or death.

Blood is a natural emetic, in other words, it will make you throw up. Also, it is possible to have antibodies in your bloodstream that will make you very sick if you consume blood from a particular individual(s). Every donor has a different makup, you may be allergic to the blood of one donor, but not that of another. Listen to your bodies. Watch out for severe stomach upsets from even minute amounts of your donor's blood. You can kill yourself by drinking blood incompatible with you. Allergic reactions rarely happen the first time you are exposed to the allergen. An allergy can crop up at any time, even after years of being exposed, so always trust your body's signals.

Only a small percentage of the community NEEDS to feed this way. There are other much safer ways to feed. Psy feeding and Elemental feeding are the safest methods, as there is not risk of disease. You must be sure to filter the energy you get from others, and as always, be ethical. Ask permission if you are going to do a deep feeding. Ambient feeding (feeding off the energy cast off by many people, such as at a Church service, or in the mall) is ok, if the method works for you. Elemental feeding is fairly easy as nature and its energy is all around us. In other words, if you do not NEED to Sang feed,

DON'T!


Proper Sanguine Feeding Techniques

Hygiene is the most important factor after proper testing of both the Vampire and the Donor. Always be sure to properly clean the donor site BEFORE breaking the skin.

Antiseptics are a diverse class of drugs which are applied to skin surfaces or mucous membranes for their anti-infective effects. This may be either bactericidal or bacteriostatic. Their uses include cleansing of skin and wound surfaces after injury, preparation of skin surfaces prior to cutting. Antiseptics are also used for disinfection of inanimate objects, including instruments and furniture surfaces.

Commonly used antiseptics for skin cleaning include benzalkonium chloride, chlorhexidine, hexachlorophine, iodine compounds, mercury compounds, alcohol and hydrogen peroxide. Other agents which have been used for this purpose, but have largely been supplanted by more effective or safer agents, include boric acid and volatile oils such as methyl salicylate (oil of wintergreen.) Mercury compounds should be avoided because they can cause allergic reactions.

Benzalkonium chloride and hexachlorophine are used primarily as hand scrubs or face washes. Benzalkonium may also find application is a disinfecting agent for instruments, and in low concentration as a preservative for drugs including ophthalmic solutions. Benzalkonium chloride is inactivated by organic compounds, including soap, and must not be applied to areas which have not been fully rinsed.

Iodine compounds include tincture of iodine and povidone iodine compounds. Iodine compounds have the broadest spectrum of all topical anti-infectives, with action against bacteria, fungi, viruses, spores, protozoa, and yeasts. Iodine tincture is highly effective, but its alcoholic component is drying and extremely irritating when applied to abraided (scraped or rubbed) skin. Povidone iodine, an organic compound, is less irritating and less toxic, but not as effective. Povidone iodine has been used for hand scrubs and disinfection of surgical sites. Aqueous solutions of iodine have also been used as antiseptic agents, but are less effective than alcoholic solutions and less convenient to use that the povidone iodine compounds.

Hydrogen peroxide acts through the liberation of oxygen gas. Although the antibacterial activity of hydrogen peroxide is relatively weak, the liberation of oxygen bubbles produces an effervescent action, which may be useful for wound cleansing through removal of tissue debris. The activity of hydrogen peroxide may be reduced by the presence of blood and pus. The appropriate concentration of hydrogen peroxide for antiseptic use is 3%, although higher concentrations are available.


The basic method for any sanguine feeding is as follows:

1. Ask permission, or give permission - do not assume
2. Set Up - includes cleaning the area, the instruments, opening packages, laying the items out, washing your hands, brush your teeth, etc.
3. Gloves are recommended.
4. Prepare the site, use an antiseptic wash on the area...at least 2-3 times the size of the anticipated cut.
5. Use your preferred method of breaking the skin....see below.
6. After feeding, immediately clean the wound with more antiseptic, put antibiotic ointment and a bandage over the wound.
7. Clean up the instruments and the area...don't want to inadvertently roll over onto a scalpel blade...


The following are the preferred methods used for safe sanguine feeding. I will go into detail for each of them.

Diabetic Lancet - Simply prime the lancet device, place it against the side of the fingertip and press the release button. Squeeze the finger in a downward motion towards the tip to bring the blood to the surface. Aspirin and alcohol tend to thin the blood, as does heat and friction. Remember to not drink and use Tylenol together, as it can cause damage to the kidneys with only one occurrence.

Sterilized single use scalpel - After cleaning the area, hold the skin taught, and make a surface incision not more than about 1 inch long. Some like to make a second incision to create an "X" in the skin. This does allow more blood to come to the surface, but is also more likely to scar. The depth of the cut should be quite shallow. You are only trying to cut the top layer of the skin. Bleeding will start in a few moments. Remember to throw away the blade after it is used.

Sterilized multi- use scalpel, Sterilized Exacto blade, Sterilized single edge razor blade - Always sterilize your instruments. An autoclave is ideal, but not practical, boiling for 5 minutes then using tongs to remove the blades followed by alcohol on the blade right before using it is second best, and using alcohol alone is third. Do not use the instruments on more than one individual. Use a different set for each if you have more than one donor.

Venipuncture - should not be attempted except by a trained phlebotomist.
This site can give you some direction: http://www.phlebotomycert.com/index.htm
This section gives a few nice graphics and pointers: http://www.phlebotomycert.com/veni_spec_handlg.htm


Biting as a sanguine feeding technique is NOT recommended. The human mouth is filled with bacteria. The use of fake or created fangs can cause damage similar to a cat bite, essentially creating a puncture wound. Puncture wounds appear innocuous on the surface, but the underlying injury goes deep. Puncture wounds inject bacteria into the skin, and the deep, narrow wound is difficult to clean. Any bite that punctures the skin CANNOT be treated with over-the-counter (OTC) remedies. The bacteria can produce such complications as septic arthritis, tenosynovitis, meningitis, and infections of the lymphatic system. Live disease-causing bacteria within the bloodstream and tissues cause complications far from the wound site. Such complications include meningitis, brain abscesses, pneumonia and lung abscesses, and heart infections, among others. These complications can be fatal. Deep bites or bites near joints can damage joints and bones, causing inflammation of the bone and bone marrow or septic arthritis. Bite wounds are also much more likely to scar.


Supply List
antiseptic wash - swabs plus, tincture of iodine, alcohol/alcohol prep pads, etc.
2X2 gauze pads
Bandaids
antibiotic ointment
scalpel blades
scalpel handle (#3 is a good handle and can be used with blades #10-25)
gloves if desired
lancets
lancing device
rubber tourniquet
syringes
butterfly blood collection sets


In case of emergencies:
butterfly strips
steri-strips
gauze roll
first aid tape
telephone (to call 911)


Lady Lilith Dreams and Diaboluslupus

Great post, although I'm very wary of using scalpels. They can slip, and then you have a real disaster. I prefer my diabetic syringes and medi wipes. And I feed vary rarely.

where is the best place to get a scalpel?

I can't answer about where to get equipment because I'm not sanguinary. As for the other, this is a post from the Vampire Nation Donateurs but I think it has been posted elsewhere. She was an Elder in the Vampire Nation and Diaboluslupus is in the VVC now but he is a donor. This was their recommendations. They may have posted it elsewhere later or even before but this was way back around 2006 or a little prior, like I stated. It had been posted even prior to that on the main board but I didn't have to hunt much to get it from this side group. I went in since I am an owner and extracted it. So I couldn't say where else they might have posted it, As far as I know they wrote it, which is what she stated at the time. I am sure many have their own preferences and this was their views. They are both very well versed in many things and mature people.

I have been wary about posting things about this because this is a public forum and quite frankly not everyone wants to let everything be known. This article was made public on the net so I decided since this topic comes up over and over again I would put it up. Maybe VR would like to put it somewhere. People are so curious. I have friends that don't use scalpels but small knives but as to how and where they use it I would never speak of that because it isn't my place. These two decided to talk about it among interested parties generally. Since the majority here are not vampirics I don't think this is the best of topics really...sorry.

(Oh, lol this is my other profile)

I can see your point, but I think enough people here do identify as vampires that there isn't a problem about talking about this stuff

I agree with Fate and besides we need the information in the communities. Nothing is worse than ignorance of the facts, and people need the knowledge. We're not a secret societe, like some fraternal organization. VR is meant to be educational as well as social

exactly, and it is a good place for people who identify as vampires to meet.





side note: anyone who knows please let me know the easiest place to get a scalpel because I am not sure if like a medical supply store would have them.

If you have diabetes as I do I've plenty of syringes. If you have diabetic friends, have them teach you how to safely use them, and please do not have the same ones for multiple usage UNLESS you soak them in bleach, then rinse through with hot water.

Art supply stores have them, however please soak them in alcohol or bleach, then soak in hot water

yes I never thought of that but you are right there are scalpels at art stores

You could also use sewing needles as long as sterilised in alcohol then rinsed in hot water and cleaned every time with a wipe.. Also be careful of striking vein or arteries. The last thing your donor needs is an infection, or amputation.

I have never partaken of a blood exchange. I have ingested my husband's blood a time or two when he'd injured himself & I had bandaged him. -Curiosity had me tasting the blood from my hands. And yes I did find it appealing.
However I have been anemic over the years and will often crave red meat or other high iron foods. Some of my favorite dishes are ones from the UK or Finland that use cooked animal blood -cows & sheep especially. I think those traditional foods are a good alternative to people wary of disease who have similar cravings as mine. However I understand the other parts of an actual blood/energy exchange of 'live' blood from a human being. I just personally have never gone such a thing and would be concerned to try.

MasterMel2 asked:
Do you have a designated donor, who's safe and healthy?
Do you make sure to use clean things to extract the blood?
Is safety important, and have you ever refused a blood feed from someone?
Go into detail on how you handle this for yourself and others.


My replies:
1. I have not had a donor for a very long time. Now, I rely upon ambient energies. When I did have a donor, however, they were safe and healthy.

2. Only new blades were ever used for our exchanges.

3. I feed to help my health, not as a detriment to it; safety is always important. I have only had two sang donors; they were both safe and healthy.

4. When I have a donor, testing every 6 months is mandatory. And proof of a clean bill of health.

I believe a good follow up question here is: what do you look for in a donor?

I look for:
Mental Stability
Trust
Honesty
Good personal hygiene
Clean tests every 6 months
No alcohol, tobacco, illegal drugs

I trust my donor implicitly, every precaution is taken to make healthy donations

the same with me...my swans are tested, and have the honour to tell me if anything were to happen that was forbidden to them.
~W~

Sadistic that's a wonderful post, and I wish more people would follow those guidelines to the limit. However that's usually not the cases, and the community will not wake up until somethings else happens, that's newsworthy.

lord wolf you call them swans?

I've never heard donors called that before.

from www.blackswanhaven.org

A black swan is a nickname for friends, family, and donors to real vampires. You don't need to take a test, get a license, etc, to be one. We're a special group of people, just like our vampiric loved ones.

I've never fed or been a donor before but i have thought about doing both at one point in time. I know there are risks like everyone else said about taking to much blood or contracting a disease but there are also risk with everything else in this world. hell you could drown taking a bath or get killed because a gumball gets stuck in your throat. So my philosophy is youre going to die somaday anyways. Why not have fun while you can?

Well cassie as long as it's done safely then have fun with it

The only way to be safe with any equipment used to feed is to make sure that you use single use gas sterilized equipment that comes in a sealed pouch. That and makes sure any metal equpiment that is not single use is properly autoclaved. Autoclaving is a steam pressurized form of sterilization that kills all blood bourne pathogens.

bleach works just as well. Autoclaves are not available to the general public. Wash in bleach then rinse in hot watere, let dry on a white clean towel

Bleach does not kill all microorganisms, you shoud autoclave are use single use, throw away equipment. Anything else is putting you and your donor at risk

People, do NOT use scalpels!!

I use them on a weekly basis for my studies and if you do not know how to handle them nor the potential damage they can cause, then stay away from them!
Especially considering you're doing it on a living human being!
And after all, it's all about safety!

Trust me, I've experienced the damage first hand.. You do NOT want to use them and be responsable for the (severe) injuries of another person or yourself.

It's not for nothing they say a scalpel cuts through skin like a knife through butter..

I cannot stress this enough! If you are not trained in using a scalpel, do not use them! You'll only do harm.


Syringes are safer in use but you need to be aware how to use them nevertheless. So good thread to gather some information and make sure you cover all safety measures before starting.

You make great points although i suspect people will use them anyway. I use my diabetic syringes and alcohol wipes.

scalapals are okay to use as long as they are clean and the person has permission and complete knowledge on how to use it in a safe manner,if using a scalpal i reccomend using a throw away kind they are cheap and get the job done,remember you want to make the cut small and in the style of a X other than that small syringes do good just as well

BTW folks, someone on the Forum suggested using autoclaves to clean your equipment. Which is fine if you can afford them. It's impractical to order equipment that's expensive, to buy, and use. An autoclave uses a ton of power, and that's why I say bleach and hot water washing should do it for you. Syringes/ Use once then toss.

Some had mentioned scalpels. One good place and maybe more inexpensive would be Valley Vet. Click the word scalpel under catalog item in the upper left hand corner and it should take you too different kinds.

10 count is around 9.95

or there is a type that is 79 cents a piece.

The last is a stainless steel handled one and you can get 100 blades for around 20 bucks.


Yes, it is an animal site but these blades are basically just the same.

This has been a fascinating blog. All this being said, are there doctors out there that would specialize in this sort of thing? Perhaps watching over the health of donors and recipients alike? (...and would Blue Cross cover it?)

Thanks gregor. I started this thread because as many months as I've been on Vr, have never seen it.

Not sure if this was mentioned before but i'll post it anyway...

Blood feeding can be dangerous. there are many blood borne diseases out there like HIV, Hepititis A, B, and C to name a few.

Hepititis A and B are curable with vaccines, but Hep C is not, nor as we all know HIV.

Now granted there are drugs out ther to extend people's lives, but seriously, do you really want to take that risk of getting a bloodborne disease?

One thing I would recommend is ensuring the person you take blood from has a clean bill of health, this can be done with blood testing. Once this person has a clean bill of health, you have to ensure that they keep a clean bill of health, that way you know you can feed fromt his person, knowing that they are safe.

Now other items to clarify. if you do feed from a donor, ensure that the area that you will be taking blood from is clean and sterile so as the donor will not get an infection as out mouths are not exactly the cleanest in the world despite the fact we brush our teeth.... Insure the insicion is done using a sterile technique. Use alcohol or burn the tip of a needle for sterilizing.

yes any sane person make sure that they and their partner are clean before doing this. it's just common sense.


thank you Foreverseeking2 I was the one looking for scalpels

I totally agree. but allow me this question. just how much blood should you take, say in a week, month, year?

I think that all depends on the individual, Mel. It's different for everyone.

do u guys really think u have a blood donor? why would u come out in the open about being this special species when other people would not be as open to this lifestyle as we are on this site?

There are vampire social groups in a lit of areas. In the LA area there are vampire groups and there are donors there.

There are groups on the net with vampires and donors on there. On meetup.com you find vampire groups with donors

I couldnt help thinking as I read this thread ,about the blood and its function for vampires.
It seems ironic to me that the very thing that is vampire manna,can only be taken after many measures are taken..equippment ,blood screening,finding a donar..as well as the fact that even ingesting it can make you nauseated and upset ones stomach.I also noticed someone mention that they use insulin syringes.If you could draw bloood with one in the first place,it would be a minute amount.
Is that really all it takes to keep one going as a Vampire?

Oceanne you have to be careful about the amounts because, it can do more than irritate your stomach. So I prefer small amounts for a syringe and then only once every so often. Your stomach, liver and kidneys process everything you injest, so people who ingest large amounts will find themselves in trouble.

Thank you Mel. for posting thie thread:)
While I am aware of its side affects from digestion and such on the human body, I dont understand why ,in this day and time, a want/need for blood is considered by some to be more than a fetish.
We dont need blood to live and the way vampires feed now just doesnt fit what traditional Vampires are.
Not going on what I am reading here.
Because evidently,it makes Vampires sick just as it would regular folks.
I mean,drinking blood doesnt seem to benefit Vampires in the way it is "supposed"to.
You know?

I am lucky I have a donner but we still get tested 2 a year.

There needs to possible database of donors who are regularly tests. And if you take on such a person, you pay for the bloodtests.

With the idea of safety in mind one a blood test is a MUST! Two the person you are drinking from needs to make a informed choice about the way the blood is to be taken, one needs to that blood feeding and blood play are two very very different things unfortunately many ppl mix the two.

safety is the most important,also there are companys that sell blood thats been tested and sythetic blood as well.

As a sang for the last 25 yrs... I will say this,one won't have unsafe sex .. It is no different than a donation of blood...
Now.....
Company's in the US will not sell human blood unless it is for research ect..
Synthetic blood is the same as above. Synth.blood is fine for transfusions , but they do nothing for a true sang.. It contains 0% prana that a sang needs for the energy needed
If you are unsure of your donor... DONT FEED FROM THEM!
It is not a "cool" thing to be sang... Its not a fad nor a hobby...it IS something that is needed by a sang to feed...
Please, if your into blood play, be safe..better yet don't do it!
For you real sangs here, I have a "safe haven" for our type.. Feel free to message me and I will send the link

Wraiths,..,
Halo Smaragdus Ora , Regent
Founder: Order of the Raven

I'm not Sang Vamp but i have read a few things from Sang Vamps.


Do you have a designated donor, who's safe and healthy?
No i do not but i have read that many do have DD's (Designated Donors) that are safe and healthy. They do not have any STDs or any types od Diseases.

Do you make sure to use clean things to extract the blood?
It is always a good thing to have clean utensils and clean area when getting/receiving blood.

KatherinexxxArdu are you INSANE?

You start your post very well taking about blood bourne disease and pointing that out then you tell us to simple burn the needle? I assume you mean with a flame?

I am a tattooist, a registered tattooist and body piercer, contrary to my portfolio which I cannot seen to change, errors, I digress.....

Burning a tip of a needle or even the whole damn needle does not kill, hep b, c, a or HIV it just kills some micro-organisms.

Blood bourne pathogens are airbourne, small particles of blood float around in the air on the breeze and while no amount of steralization will 100% be effective, you cannot just burn the end of a needle

Use a sterile needle that you get from a chemist or even buy a tattoo needle of ebay they are gas steralised single use and cost about 75p 0r 99c if you buy them in packs of 25.

Even then your mouth is full of crap and you will likey cause an infection from your donor.

The best way to draw blood from your donor as said by mel is to use a single use syringe like the ones diabetics use, swab the area first with alcohol, and cover with a plaster aid after..........simples

thanks for point that out. Flames does not necessarily sterilise. And in some cases will accentuate the microbials involved. Sterilise with bleach and alcohol, then rinse in hot water. AND, DO NOT DRAW BLOOD FROM THE SAME SPOT!

My learned advice, don't do it,

Its like drugss the more you have the more you want.

If it was safe, well oh well...but it isnt safe is it.

When he decides it is(after all he is a God) then feed.

Until the show, be careful.

This is a resource for Sanguinarians:

http://www.sanguinarius.org/vampire.shtml

National Vampire Donor Support:

http://www.vblood.co.uk/

There's a website called the "Donors Bill of Rights at;
www.sanguinarians.org It was lengthy, direct, and highly informative

**shakes head**

some of the misinformation in this thread is ...

.. dangerous, tho Mel, I'll concede there is need for such a thread... and your info is good, but as to some of the stuff written... wow, plain dangerous.

Instead of calling it dangerous why not give a detailed explanation, please. Do you have anything to site? Have you read through this thread, and all the opinions?

I myself have not practiced yet as I am still a pupil to my master.
But I know I am anemic, which can be a fairly common yet undetected iron deficient problem for young vampyres and donors.

This causes dizzy spells, fainting, and unusually cold limbs.
As a result, it can quickly become unsafe to lose blood.

Iron supplement medications can help and tests can be provided by common physicians.

designated donors...check

blood work....check

keep things clean...CLEAN ....check

be safe, be sane...

personally just a drop or two works for me...i like to use the little lancets for getting some blood to test blood sugar...but i may use a scalpel, a very sharp dagger, or (i absolutely do not recommend this) my teeth.

drinking from people you dont know is much like having unprotected sex with random strangers. dangerous and not very bright.
~W~

Vampchica I would suggest taking Iron supplements, and a healthy organic meats in your diet. Not pork but Beef, Bison, Venison, and a once a day Iron supplement from a reputable heathy foods or organic store. That will help you. Drinking Tomato Juice, or V* will help.

Mel, you haven't been here very long, look in the archives. This topic has been brought up many times and other typical ones. The Stregoi Vii is discouraging blood drinking because of all the blood borne diseases. There is a lot of lingo for things in the mainstream American Vampire Community. Some is used elsewhere or some other name or just donor etc. If you haven't been in contact with anyone in the community, well those who believe they are apart of a core of it, you won't know the words. Look on Sanguinarius.org. It is not necessary to use anything but direct wording for things but many have chosen this so they can talk and like you, others don't understand what they mean.

As nice as VR is, it is a game and social network and is optional. It is not exactly connected to the community perse. Some vampires come here true but I would have to say most do not if we bring up numbers. I doubt they would talk on this topic very openly. In many places even with permission this act is considered assault by law. The donor in my opinion and in others should do the cutting and not the one who is going to feed. Never use a donor under 18 years of age. All of this is apart of safe feeding methods.

Personally I think the words are funny yet some of them charming but like any other subculture a word for something that appears to be part of the in crowd always develops. You really need a mentor in the beginning to teach you how to do these types of things if you are sanguinary in my opinion. Another thing, never bite. People who are in the community will tell you every time that is just in fiction. Biting can cause irreparable damage to the person, can get infected since human bites are highly dangerous and the scarring extreme, not to mention it is painful. My respects to those who feed in this way. It can be very stressful if they lose their donor and have to find another.

First of all I've been in vampirism for 20 years. Secondly, I don't espouse actually biting and I do allow the Donor to do the lancing with diabetic lances and alcohol wipes. I've been doing safe blood feeding for years and donors I have used all have recent blood tests I've paid out of pocket for. I have researched this topics from nay perspectives and not just some neophyte in this area.

Duly noted

I prefer to drink my own blood. Anything else is unsanitary and heathenly.

You are free to do what's desired as long as there's no harm being done, as long as we do not disparage those who do so safely.

MasterMel, thanks for the tip.
Unfortunately, more iron supplements make me vomit. And the one working pill I found has my body now immuned to it.
So, dealing with it in silence

Well keep the protein up then. Eat lean meats and dark veggies. That will keep the blood good and rich.

Lol. To answer the questions in one answer. A blood bank. They have all the data on the bloods, on who'm is the donor and what type of blood it is (Depending on if you like a special type of blood.) and if it is Safe. (Clean and not infected or diseased.)

Blood banks will not release data on blood donors. it's a violation of privacy laws. Have your donors take a blood test, and you pay for it,

Eat tomatoes as well for the Beta Carotene. I believe I listed a vampire donor alliance that has guidelines on safe and secure blood feeding and exchange. But you can Google that association as well.

how much blood would one take?

Does it depend on the donor's comfort level, or how much it takes to replenish your energy?

How often do you feed?

What tools do you use regularly to draw the blood?

Vampchica, for me just a few drops at a time and a few times a week, although my philosophy is not more than twice if any. You have to be careful. On saguinarian.org there are suggested guidelines

Vampchica I use my diabetic syringes and lancets. I also have some alcohol wipes as well to clean the spots where I've drawn from

I haven't tried blood feeding yet. I am interested in it though. Of course safety and willingness of the donor are a major must.

I noticed several people brought up the biting . Here is an article I wrote for another sight that I feel will show just how much damage can be done by doing so

Our media is filled with images of vampires biting their lovers and donors. Some believe this to be the trade mark of the vampire archetype. Some find it to be sexy and include biting in their love making. Some have actually asked to be bitten, but they may not know the risk involved in such play.

In reality biting can be a dangerous practice especially if the skin is broken.
The saliva in the human mouth contains 100,000,000 organisms within it's saliva. Up to 190 of those can be bacterial species and may produce beta -lactamase.
Beta -lactamase is known to be resistant to penicillin which is an antibiotic often used to treat open wounds.

When human teeth tear in to the skin they force saliva and these organisms into bruised pockets of tissue that cannot be flushed out or reached by antibiotic creams therefore causing an infection. The release of beta -lactamase can increase the chances of chronic infection which can develop within 24 hours from the time the bite occurred.

If bitten immediately flush out the wound with alcohol but beta dine is preferable. Gently top with an antibiotic cream and clean bandages.

Symptoms
The skin around the wound may become red and inflamed

The wound may be warm to the touch. This warmth denotes the breaking down of the flesh below the surface. This may form an abscess

Pus may begin to ooz from the wound followed by a fowl scent.

Fever and headaches may occur.

Red streaks may spiderweb away from the wound.

Seek medical attention immediately if any of the above symptoms occur.

Left untreated this type of infection may invade the blood stream causeing possible clots and even stroke. Loss of limb is also common in sever cases.

Yes biting may be fun but you have to ask yourself, Is it worth the risk? I would say no!
Blessed be
Lady Sylivia

PS this article is copyrighted.

Biting is something I never espouse I do not need Hep C which can be a death sentence. It can also mean no sexual intercourse for life, as well hope i don't fancy that.

Agreed.
I am Definitely into biting... but breaking the skin is going too far. I always make sure the one I am with knows the limits.

Also those vampire fangs they sell in places are quite dangerous, and should never be used in biting. They're strictly for show and that's all. And the one people have put in permanently are twice as dangerous as they've been exposed to fluid of the mouth and foods.

Oh yea I would think so.. added places for germs to hide as well .. Which reminds me If you are direct feeding it is always good to Use mouthwash before hand to reduce any extra germs in the mouth for the sake of the donor

mouthwash however is not a do all end all though. That's why I advise using diabetic lancets and syringes. Any biting is dangerous

Blood feeding is much like tattoo parlors....
everyone says that it's clean... it's safe...
so on... but there's still many out there who don't
particularly care about all that. lol...


I personally think donor hopping is unpleasant.
for a number of reasons. Consistancy is always good....
Ever get a steak at one resturant then get one at another
expecting it to taste the same?... Then you walk out disappointed
and upset that you wasted your time and money...
..yeeeeah...

As for biting, I like the sensation of biting but I've never had my skin broken. Even then I still made sure the biter was STD free and such.

Also on the topic of biting, I can't help it. I love it. Breaking skin or not, but I treat the breaking skin just as seriously as I would blood sharing. You take as many precautions as you possibly can and go for it.

True they are both dangerous. But so is crossing the street. If you're willing to take the risk to get the other side, then you should beware of cars.

I don't think tattooing is as risky as it used to be either. Every place I have been to has been sterile. Its required state law where I live. Monthly inspections. All that. Tattooing always has had a bad rap. True there still are shady people out there but the majority are extremely safe.

When it comes down to me, if you want to try it just be safe and do it. But be knowledgeable too.

And autoclaves are available for public sale. You can even buy them on amazon. They're just not that cheap. A basic autoclave will cost you about $500-$900.
You can buy a stove top autoclave for around $3oo from Element Tattoo Supply.

Jeez you call the 500 -900 cheap? I wonder how many peeps on VR could afford that. *LOL* Not to mention they use up as much power as a refridgerator.

Lol actually I said they're not cheap. But those are the cheapest ones that are still decent. The technical ones that tattoo parlors use cost several thousand.
The small stove top ones are actually pretty good and don't use too much energy. They just can't hold very much. They're about the size of a pressure cooker.

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