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What is your take on it?




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I was associated with Anton Lavey who while in San Francisco was considered the Father of Satanism. His viewpoints when I spoke with him were as we discussed:

There is a Satan, not a Devil
Satan represents freedom from repressive authorities
Satan represents the highest love, freedom and expression
He is not running around causing the fall of humanity

If you look at the 9 Statements of Satanism you'll see it in a positive light, although there are those groups who misuse Satanism and do harmful, hateful things. As he described it to me, it seemed very positive, and a legit path.



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thanks for your opinion, I myself am a Luciferian Satanist



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Satanism as a religion? I've heard so many bad things ya know the usual cults sacrifices all that but there is always two sides to story...I'm not sure where I am religiously but I'm very openminded and satanism like all other things must be accepted



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Jo49, sure you will hear bad thing about Satanism. The power of the organized religions is at risk, and the only way to fight back, is by using propaganda in a negative way. Satanism is a religion and will exist until the end of the Human race.



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From the studies I've went over in regards to Satanism, its more of a philosophy than anything. The idea of 'devil worshiping' is more in lue to those unenlightened or those deluded by the act of 'evil' than the concept of self realization.

- Sin Amar



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I've read LaVey's Satanic Bible and there are parts I agree with and parts I do not. I find it a more sensible religion than many and less sensible than others. It would not work for me but I have no problem with it overall. I think it gets a lot of undeserved flack by people who are misinformed.

From my experience, Satanists are usually anti-religion especially the Christian religion, yes? Since they do not believe in god/s they do not believe in Satan as a person, but as an idea of rebelling against god. They see the Judeo-Christian god as evil, the perpetrator of genocides, human sacrifices rape etc, so they support the idea of going against the Judeo-Christian god. Most Satanists see themselves as gods and the self as the center of the universe.

I can see why most people think they're atheists who do this to mock Christians though. The very fact that they use the word "Satanist" to describe themselves is guaranteed to irritate Christians. If you think about it, the whole idea of a "Satan" doesn't mean anything unless you are a Christian. Christians define that word. To an atheist it is just another unlikely fantasy creature. No atheist cares about satan or any religious symbol.

Few Worship him in his original status , as a Pagan deity and not as the biblical adversary to God. But most don't.

Other than that, I think they're fine people. Satanism has some good pointers, and good morals.





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I like Satanism as a Philosophy not so much a religion



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im not actually a christian, and personally i consider satanism just another christian sect....same coin, other side.
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I've always felt it was a self-worship, not so much the 'devil,' so to speak.

You are in control, have the power, and are responsible for your own actions.



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Whenever someone asks me if I'm a Satanist I tend to respond with, "I love all the archangels with equal fervour."

However I do tend to go with Lucifer, the bringer of the light and avoid anything that smacks of "inverted Catholicism" like the plague ... ;->



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This is from Wikipedia.com about Satanism:

Satanism is a group of religions that is composed of a diverse number of ideological and philosophical beliefs and social phenomena. Their shared feature include symbolic association with, admiration for the character of, and even veneration of Satan or similar rebellious, promethean, and liberating figures. Generally, those Satanists who believe in the Judeo-Christian concept of Satan are linked into the belief system of today's Judeo-Christian religion, as they believe in the same theology presented in the Hebrew Bible.

Satan, also called Lucifer by many Christians, first appears in the Books of Chronicles provoking David to take a census of Israel. In the Book of Job he is called "the Satan" (meaning "the accuser") and acted as the prosecutor in God's court. A character named "Satan" was described as the tempter of Jesus in many of the Gospels of early Christians. Christianity and Islam typically regard Satan as the adversary or enemy, but extensive popular redactions and recompositions of biblical tales have inserted his presence and influence into every aspect of adversarial role back to the Creation and Fall. By Christians and Muslims especially, the figure of Satan was treated variously as a rebellious or jealous competitor to human beings, to Jesus, and characterized as a fallen angel or demon ruling the penitential Underworld, chained in a deep pit, wandering the planet vying for souls or providing the impetus for all worldly travesty.

At points during the development of the Christian religion, Satan became its outspoken enemy, and this served the interests of all those who would use this to their advantage, inclusive of those who fashioned or recomposed the mythos of Satanism. Particularly after the European Enlightenment, some works, such as Paradise Lost, were taken up by Romantics and described as presenting the biblical Satan as an allegory representing a crisis of faith, individualism, free will, wisdom and enlightenment. Those works actually featuring Satan as a heroic character are fewer in number, but do exist; George Bernard Shaw, William Blake, and Mark Twain (Letters from the Earth) included such characterizations in their works long before religious Satanists took up the pen.
Inverted cross, often seen as a symbol of Satanism.

Although the public practice of Satanism began in 1966 with the founding of the Church of Satan, some historical precedents exist: a group called the Ophite Cultus Satanas was founded in Ohio by Herbert Arthur Sloane in 1948. Inspired by Gnosticism and Gerald Gardner's Wicca, the coven venerated Satan as both a horned god and ophite messiah.

A particular antique Norwegian grimoire,[1] in contrast to other Christian-oriented magical texts which describe Satan as an inferior spirit to be enslaved, contains a spell wherein the magician is instructed to renounce God and the Holy Spirit, and "completely swear to Lucifer, ruler of the Dark Abyss". The text itself claims to be originally from a manuscript in Wittenberg, similar to the many occult chapbooks pseudonymously ascribed to Doctor Faustus.

There was also a late 17th century French moral panic against alleged satanism during the Poison Affair (1675–1682), which occurred during the reign of Louis XIV and dealt with accusations of widespread poisonings, infanticide and forgery, presided over by an alleged satanic social network, which had no actual substance but reflected the aforementioned pre-Enlightenment popular religious anxieties.[2]

Satanist groups that appeared after the 1960s are widely diverse, but two major trends are Theistic Satanism and Atheistic Satanism. Theistic Satanists venerate Satan as a supernatural deity. In contrast, Atheistic Satanists[3] consider themselves atheists, agnostics, or apatheists and regard Satan as merely symbolic of certain human traits. This categorization of Satanism (which could be categorized in other ways, for example "Traditional" versus "Modern"), is not necessarily adopted by Satanists themselves, who usually would not specify which type of Satanism they adhere to. Some Satanists believe in God in the sense of a Prime Mover but, like Atheistic Satanists, still worship themselves, due to the deist belief that God plays no part in mortal lives.

Despite heavy criticism from other religious groups, there are signs that Satanistic beliefs have become more socially tolerated. Satanism is now allowed in the Royal Navy of the British Armed Forces, despite much opposition from Christians,[4][5] [6] and, in 2005, the Supreme Court of the United States debated over protecting the religious rights of prison inmates after a lawsuit challenging the issue was filed to them.[7][8] The number of practitioners of Satanism has also been found to be on the rise in Poland [9] during recent years, despite Poland's long reputation as Europe's most devoutly Catholic country.[10]
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* 1 Theistic Satanism
o 1.1 Luciferianism
o 1.2 Palladists
o 1.3 Our Lady of Endor Coven
* 2 Atheistic/Deistic Satanism
o 2.1 LaVeyan Satanism
o 2.2 Symbolic Satanism



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Luciferianism is its own thing. The source of what most say about Lucifer just doesn't exist. The mention in the Old Testament isn't about a person named Lucifer which is Latin but likening a King who had fallen from favor and stating he use to be as bright and shining as the planet Venus. Lucifer was the Latin name for Venus at the time. It is just a translation for whatever reasons that was misunderstood. Even so many have a belief system as others who actually worship various angels. Lucifer comes from Roman mythology and was created by Diana to be her consort...he is the light bearer so I would think any view including this being would be rather positive in all actuality. Depends on the belief system. It is sometimes included with Satanism.

I was going to state that use of the word Satanism is very generic just like saying I'm a Christian. Tells one nothing at all. There are many forms of Satanism and not all are the same. I know LaVey took some of his views from other people. It has been stated by many that he sort of plaigarized a lot of his writing but I think some of it was in public domain anyway. I consider this aspect not exactly relevant since he did come up with his own view of things by the use of information he had at hand. I don't believe Avon gave him much time to bring it altogether.

So what I am stating is if you hear someone say they are a Satanist don't think right from the get go they are talking about reverse Christianity at all even if they use some symbolism from it, such as the 666, etc. I have read many things about LaVey (negative) but it doesn't make it true, it is heresay.

Diane Vera has become a very prominent person speaking on Satanism on the net and I believe off as well. Her type of Satanism is called by Diane Vera as Azazelian polytheistic Satanism. (A form of theistic Satanism)

Excerpt from Diane Vera:

"Some theistic Satanists regard Satan as the Christian-era image of a more ancient deity such as the Egyptian god Set, the Greek Titan Prometheus, or the Sumerian god Enki. The Temple of Set is the best-known organization holding such a belief. (The Temple of Set states they are not a Satanic belief system...shrugs)

Others base their ideas on ancient Ophidian Gnosticism, which venerated the serpent of the Garden of Eden myth. Ophidian Gnostics saw the Biblical God as the Demiurge (an evil god who created the physical world for the purpose of trapping human souls) and the serpent as Sophia, the bringer of wisdom. This theology isn’t popular among today’s Satanists, most of whom have a more favorable opinion of the material world and their own bodies than the ancient Gnostics did.

Some see Satan as “God of this world” in a deistic or pantheistic sense, thereby giving a decidedly non-Christian interpretation to a phrase used in the Bible to refer to Satan (2 Corinthians 4:4).

Many theistic Satanists are polytheistic and regard both Satan and the Christian "God" as just two of the many gods. Some believe that all the gods, including both Satan and the Christian “God,” are really just very advanced extraterrestrial humanoids. Others are polytheistic in a more traditional spiritual sense.

The authors of this pamphlet are founding members of the Church of Azazel, which has a polytheistic theology. We believe that the Christian "God" is not the true cosmic God. To us, the workings of Nature do not suggest that the cosmic creator God desires a personal parental-like relationship with us humans. We believe that the true cosmic God is most likely impersonal, and, therefore, that any god who does relate to humans in a personal way is not the cosmic God. Thus we regard neither the Christian "God" nor Satan as the ultimate God of the universe. We regard Satan as a spirit who rules over the Earth and as a Muse of human innovation."

http://theisticsatanism.com/bgoat/essays/What-Is-S.htm

Diane's page: http://dvera.wordpress.com/creed/

So as for me, my take is that it is fine in and of itself in its many forms, it is the fanatics or loonies one could say that give it a bad name that play at Satan worship from watching too many movies and reading too many horror stories. It's the same problem that affects the vampire community.



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>it is the fanatics or loonies one could say that give it a bad name that play at Satan worship from watching too many movies and reading too many horror stories. It's the same problem that affects the vampire community.

Too right! As in every kind of community. There are always loonies whose activities are pounced upon to bring whoever it is into disrepute.

It is fun though on occasion to start a sentence with, "I was talking to this Satanist the other day and he said ..."



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I was introduced to Lavey back in 1973 from a friend who was at the Temple of Set, and even was invited to one of their celebrations. Lavey was articulate, friendly, and really talked great philosophy. Wonderful man Yes there are too many damned fringies out there ruining it in that community. Then again there are loony pagans as well. *LOL* You'll get the fringies in any community.



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Having studied Satanism, the entire religion can really be summed up in a few short points.

1) Believe in yourself.
2) Defend yourself.
3) Power comes from within.
4 - Rituals mocking mainstream Christianity.

Other than that, there's not much else to it. Luciferianism is something to be more concerned with in the way of so-called "cult sacrifices" and other such practices.



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Wait, Wait, But, When is the philosophy stop and the religion begin? I am in the assumption that is the same and both go side by side. If I am not correct, Please, make me Understand...LOL



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Personally, I have no problem with it. You live your life, I live mine.



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Philosophy and religion can be quite intertwined for many people. Satamist, Pagan christian, whatever. A philosophy can be formed from a faith just as a non believer has a philosophy.



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In response to your question I am not, I simply believe in the ideals of luciferianism, I don't practice the religion I believe in the philosophy



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Satanism is a freedom of searching for your deity. we all should know what Deity means So I wont have to decribe it.

The fact that I was kicked out of my cult was because my view point made everyone think twice and have doubts on the Cult leader. The began asking me questions about it and I was despised from then on. I was later kicked out for blasphemy to the cult. We were an underground cult who roamed the darkness of the streets from Mass to Newyork city. You can find the Cult hide outs along the ways of the New York city subways and in Mass around the railroad tracks. Also you can find a hint of where the cultic base is if you ask the dark figures in the bars. Trust noone to show you the way. As the cult is known for murdering in New York city. And one other thing. Do not go alone. Always keep a friend with you at all times. The Cult is extremely deceptive and will outcast you for the sacrifice.



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Satanism is freedom over servitude, indulgence over self denial. Elevation of being forced into mind control. That's how my Satanist friends live.



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Good Evening:
Good old Anton sure opened up a can of worms when he came up with the idea of Satanism and then had it deemed a legitimate religion in the eyes of the U.S. and the world. The "Religion" (which is more of a philosophical mindset) was created because of all the hypocritical activity Lavey saw around him. Thus he created a religion where one could indulge without having to hide it later under a thinly veiled disguise. It can all be summed up in one statement from Anton.
"Do what Thout will shall be the whole of the law...but harm no one."
Pure genius.
Have a Great Day!!!
The "Creature"


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Anytime I hear Satanism I think that it is about a group of individuals who stand by no particular Religion and they choose to worship themselves as God just as "Satan" did.

I think that they don't want to conform to a Religion because they want things done their way and by the name being "Satanism" I believe that they are following in "Satan's" footsteps and treating him as a role model.

Once again; do enlighten me with more about Satanism. This is just my opinion.



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There are those that do though. There are Churches of Satan ,that have the federal and state tax exempt status.



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The Official website.

http://www.churchofsatan.com/



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My only regret as a satanist is that I never got to meet Anton Zandar Lavey



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well. to each their own.

I was taught... there is a path... for each of is who seek knowledge. What you do with that, is up to you.

Dark, or Light? Your choice.

Is there a Satan? No.

Is there a God. No.

We made them in the image we chose, for they are part of the Whole, as are we...



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I believe it's a matter of choice. But I will not disparage others for worshiping Satan. That's their choice, and I respect it.



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Totally against the idea. To each their own, but I say no way. I hate the God and Devil crap. You burn in hell when its 90 plus degrees out. Heaven is what you want it to be. Good verses evil in your own mind...do with it what you choose.



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What is popularly called "satanism" today is really more of a humanist group using satan as an icon. I do believe there is a darker more frightening group that worship satan as a means to an end but by and large that is not the people who openly claim to be that. The biblical version displays an entity that is both a tempter and an accuser. The true evil on the planet is not a spirit but it is the person who follows after all the fancies of his mind and allows himself to become a source of pain and anguish for others to his own delight.



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I am a humanist.
I have some knowledge.

I would not ever call myself a satanist.

so, I'll have to disagree with the post prior to this...

.. goodstyle.



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As with most religions or belief systems, I think satanism gets a negative image from popular culture, other religious interference and such. I've known only a few who consider themselves Satanists and the differences between them were vast.

I would have to do more research before I could really comment on it.



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To each their own... I personally believe in no true one good or evil. Beyond that I don't believe I have enough information on it to have an informed opinion. Blessed be



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I believe the non-theistic satanism has good philosophies and all but most people seek too much power from the religion just because you can see yourself as a god. To much power can lead to corruption if you do not know how to balance the left hand path to prevent being consumed by its forces.



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Satanism is a elitist religion. Not everyone can see themselves within the pages of Anton LaVey's books. It's a very basic and mundane philosophy, worshipping your own ego and nature, viewing yourself as merely the flesh and bones that you are, and recognizing and taking advantage of the one shot that we have in existence.

I personally live by LaVey's views, but in a unconcious way. I have lived by this philosophy before I have know of it, as I think most people do. I have always recognized the unfulfillment of the Christian's burden of proof, and I have seen through their self-righteousness and have seen many believer's be the naturalistic animal that they are, and honestly their hypocrisy and ignorance disgusts me.

So LaVeyan Satanism has always been a philosophical viewpoint that I have always held to the utmost regard and cherished greatly.



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But. Opions of the charasmatics aside. To return to the original question. Satanism is a faith, a religion and, to a few an alternate reality, it would seem.



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The original question? The original question is what is your take on Satanism, and that was mine..



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I think that the Non-theistic satanism such as Lavey's is merely a philosophy rather than a religion itself.



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It's itention was to be a religion by LaVey, Kenji.. But I would agree with you



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It would just seem odd to make a separate religion from the actual theistic satanism and to make another form of satanism into another religion.



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Theistic Satanism as an organized religion came after LaVeyan Satanism.. LaVeyan Satanism was the first Satanic organization



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I was influenced strongly by Dr. LaVey & what he wrote. In the end, is what he did, not good or bad, just what we personaly do with it, can be placed in one of either boxes.

My present view is that of a spiritual atheist, strongly connected with Sutekh, a.k.a. Seth or Set.



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23:08:48 Aug 14 2011
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Satanism is just like any other religion. There are those people whom misinterpret the true meaning. They believe that their god is good and our god is bad. They say their god created the earth and our god is out to destroy it. Satanism is just like any other religion, only too many people don't fully understand the meaning.



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