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Being a Christian Wiccian is a lonley road since there is so few. I'm looking for others in this religion and how people feel about it. Do you believe the two religions can be mixed as I have done or not? Everyone has a opinion and I want to hear from you?

I'm curious as how you mixed the 2 religions? Just because christianity is a religion that doesn't accept any others and the 2 are very different. I'm just curious not judging

Moonlight, I happen to agree with everything you have said. I too believe in both. I am faithfully catholic but I also believe that everything has to work in harmony with each other, wicca also follows this. I don't think its impossible to believe in both, its all in what you feel is right for you.

First, My child, do not take what you are going to read in the wrong way, is just my humble opinion. How much do you know about Wicca and the relationship with Christianity? Do you know How many of my ancestors were killed in the name of the Christian God? millions. there is absolutely, no way that the famous Vatican will take your approach of combining both "religions" as one. WOW, my Ancestors must be turning in their grave or better said, their ashes must be coming your way, to guide you and make you a true believer of the Wicca Religion.

I have no problem with what you say but i do agree with a bit of what Markus666 is saying christanity as a religion does not accept any other beliefs be they partially or any way. I myself am a priest of Druidism a religion that was almost completely destroyed by christians. St. Patricks Day is a symbol of that happening. Also there are differences in witchcraft and wicca

Actually, no one can tell another person what they believe in their heart of hearts- so... saying someone 'cannot' be, is very wrong.

Reading some of these posts makes me wonder how many people are really this limited in religious knowledge. This mixture of beliefs is nothing new. Here in New Orleans, Christianity/Catholicism is mixed with voodoo- throughout the Caribbean it's done with Santeria, in other parts of Latin America Christians and native tribal beliefs are intertwined. These people are devout. And for me- I am a Christian that doesn't keep God in a little box with boundaries. My beliefs go far beyond what we merely have left and have been told.

Sure, Christians did kill many in the name of God throughout history--- but that was their humanity that made them do it, not their God... no matter what they said. Religion has evolved, people have evolved. You can't say that someone's beliefs simply cannot 'be' based on what some people did a *long* time ago that have nothing to do with us today. Can a desecendant of a Nazi not be a diverse loving person today? They certainly can.

Such statements truly must be pondered and reconciled.

Moonlight, I am sure you are steadfast and won't allow people on the internet to tell you what you can or can't be and believe. You aren't alone, and never have been in following such a similar path as many. I don't necessarily believe the same as you- but it wouldn't be fair of me to allow myself to believe what I want, yet place limits on you.

I thank everyone for their opinions, everyone is diffrent and so is their beliefs. Thanks for those accepting of me even with my diffrences.

Listen...

There are many people who are brought up believing one thing and then find a different path later in life. That doesn't make you weird or an out cast of some kind, but if you are to be honest about this topic the facts of it must be weighed.
I made no personal attack you as a person, what I said was not even an attack on anyone's faith, I stated the facts of Christian Ideology.
They are a Monotheistic religion, one God - no others.

The 10 Commandment, commandment #1 is:

I am the God of gods, You shall place no other gods before me.

That is "GOD's Law"... there's no room for "well what if" in that statement and Christianity makes it clear this is the case.
If there is any ambiguity it is with the heart of the follower not the religion. If your not going to follow the word of God as he has laid it out then are you really a Catholic??
Based on the relative facts I would have to say no. You asked for opinions... and that's mine. It's based on the facts of the religion. What is being mentions now about other theologies mixing is inclusionism a.k.a Christian Universalism... That's not Christianity and not what you asked.

The author of this thread never mentioned being 'attacked' or offended... so I am not sure why you are acting as if you recieved a verbal beat down.

Everyone has their own preception, I know Christianity beyond just being one... and I can tell you this- I believe in one God, and that God for me has many faces and has no limits or boundaries. You can believe what you want, but you can't make your truth the same for everyone else.

AGAIN,

You are taking my statements to be my personnal opinion and it's not. This is not "My Truth"... that is Catholicism. I didn't make up the Commandments or the rules, they did. They are the one's who have a" take it or leave it - all or nothing" approach to their theology.

Santería, also known as Regla de Ocha, La Regla Lucumi or Lukumi, is a syncretic religion of West African and Caribbean origin influenced by Roman Catholic Christianity.

As a result of the fusion of Francophone culture and voodoo in Louisiana, many Voodoo spirits became associated with the Christian saints that presided over the same domain. Although Voodoo and Catholic practices are radically different, both saints and spirits act as mediators with the Virgin Mary and Legba presiding over specific activities. Early followers of Voodoo in the United States adopted the image of the Catholic Saints to their spirits.

Other Catholic practices adopted into Louisiana Voodoo include reciting the Hail Mary and the Lord’s Prayer.

Native Mexicans or descendants of indigenous Mexicans, follow the indigenous culture and religion. Regardless, the Catholic faith is tied into many indigenous beliefs.

I agree partially about the voodoo it started in Haiti tho...here is part of research i had done on voodoo...

~A History of Voodoo's relationship to Christianity~

Under the French slaves were forbidden from practicing Voodoo. Nonetheless Voodoo survived. The colonists did allow occasional dances on the weekends. These dances were actually Voodoo services! After the liberation of 1804 all white people were kicked out of Haiti and many were killed. This included Roman Catholic priests. Thus in 1804 the Vatican broke with Haiti and did not establish relations with her again until 1860. During this 56 year period houngans (priests) and mambos (priestess) built up the public religion of Haiti, Voodoo, in a weird amalgamation of African spirit religion and Catholicism. Virtually all Loa became associated with Catholic saints (Dumballah the snake Loa is St. Patrick; Erzulie, the earth mother is the Virgin Mary; Papa Legba is St. Peter). The most important consequence of this is that Haitians see nothing odd at all with practicing Voodoo and Catholicism side by side and are often very devout about each of them.


...basically all that was done was they use the saints names to describe already existing characters in voodoo to make peace with the catholics and still be able to practice their religion. At the same time the catholics believed they made progress in reforming the Haitians. It then moved to New Orleans and grew from there.

I have a whole thing in stories in my Journal on Voodoo from research I did. Feel free to read it and comment if you like

You're talking about voodoo in general- I was specifically mentioning 'Louisiana Voodoo' which is its own thing. That's what this thread is all about... mixing Christianity with different things- I know it happens in different spiritualities so I gave a few examples.

oh i wasnt going against you i was just throwing out some voodoo info ive been doing alot of research on it lately

Thank you for starting this post. I find it very interesting. I am a Christian, but I joined this group to learn more about the vampire world. I agree that a person's religion is a personal choice and up to that person. I am not a catholic, so I am not bound by many of the traditions of that faith. I feel like i am a spiritual person and my faith is what keeps me going. I do think their is something much bigger than us, guiding us and leading us. What that is, I'm not real sure, but without faith in a higher spiritual being, I'm not sure I would make it through many of the trials in my life.

Among progressive Christians, the term Christian has generally been defined much more broadly. For example, some believers might accept as a Christian any person who holds Jesus in reverence, views him as the greatest of prophets, and tries to follow his teachings. Many Wiccans, other Neopagans, Humanists, Unitarian Universalists are able to harmonize their beliefs and practices with this definition.

History
The religion probably originated because of the diversity of the Wiccan pantheon in which many Wiccan groups and individuals were encouraged to tailor their god and goddess to suit a specific ritual or their own personality. This is based on the Wiccan belief that all their dieties are merely expressions of a higher, incomprehensible being sometimes referred to as the Creator or the Source.

Many Wiccans, from living in Christian societies and due to complementary nature of the ethical systems of each religion, began to identify more and more with Jesus Christ, and less commonly the Christian god, to the extent that Jesus had become the most prominent deity to them. The Virgin Mary was also becoming an increasingly common association with the goddess.

There are christo-pagan groups on yahoogroups.com and meetup.com. Also on several pagan/wiccan groups on the Ning network. On The witches Voice you'll find plenty of support. Of you want, I'll research and provide you with info as well.

You have every right to structure your craft, as desired w/o interference or criticism from other. You're hatmong no-one , and discovering the path that makes you comfortable and happy, and that's what counts.

Being a follower of different beliefs does not mean that you don't believe in god. Last I checked wiccan did not believe in any said god. Perhaps I am wrong though. I don't think anyone in here said anything about combining, but being a believer of both, nor did anyone say that the catholic religion should adopt the wiccan faith. For those that quoted the 1st commandment, you are right, however, I believe in one god, for he is the only one. That does not mean that I can't believe that other things as well to enhance my catholic beliefs. Being a well rounded individual makes you more educated about things and allows you to be able to believe. I think that my beliefs have helped me to be stronger in my faith. Everyone here is entitled to their opinions, but please don't put anyone down or say that they are wrong in what they believe. You don't know how someone lives or feels in their heart.

The one thing to remember, the commandments are there to be followed, yes, but if you know the commandments but don't know that the god any catholic believes in is a forgiving and merciful god. If you are living and treating others in the ways of god, I think that you will be just fine in his eyes.

Again these are my opinions, so should you feel it necessary to bash me about what I think and believe then more power to you.

I also agree with what was said about the mix or combination of religions in New Orleans.

Are you all talking about Christianity and Wicca or Catholicism and Wicca?

Although many probably consider Catholicism and Christianity to be one and the same, I certainly do not.

Catholics read from a Bible specifically designed to suit their religion, just the same as Jehovah's Witnesses have a Bible specifically designed to suit their religion.

The Catholic Bible just has the Apocrypha as 'extra'- which was actually taken out by Protestants. It *was* included in the first King James Bible, but later removed.

All of the things I'm thinking of must be in the Apocrypha then. Because, I don't find anything about prayer beads, Popes or nuns anywhere in the Bible and Jesus never mentioned any of these things (considering that they are so important to the Catholic faith).

Perhaps that is just Roman Catholicism.

None of that is in the Bible or the Apocrypha portion. They have very old traditions- and that's part of them. But, in their view- Peter was the first 'pope'. Many of those customs and traditions not found in the Bible were dropped by those leading the Reformation in later Christianity.

It's appropriate that these things were dropped as they apparently didn't exist at the beginning of Christianity.

Anyway, I apologize for getting off topic.

Just to let those reading know I what I have posted on info about christian wiccian is pulled from the web and not written by me but shared beliefs.

I'm with Severus on this one. What I personally see is a socially conflicted person, a person wanting acceptance. While other Wiccans may see it as marginal to their beliefs a Christian would be less accepting by far.

I understand what Images AND Severus are saying...along the way there were some misunderstandings between them though, which in my opinion, should be ironed out by now, with their subsequent posts.

As for me, while I see myself more as an agnostic, I also like to pick and chose what I feel is revelant from many faiths...that works for me!

In the grand scheme of things- it doesn't matter what a person is 'only Christian' believes or not. It doesn't matter if a group says, 'no, you're not one of us'. This is not the same as a man wanting to be a women- this isn't biology. Not all Christian denominations have such doctrines.

I don't come here as merely a poster, but a person with a degree in Theological Education. I am an Episcopalian. I don't have to check my brains at the door when I go to church. I'm allowed to think and believe all kinds of things without getting 'kicked out'.

For anyone that believes in God yet limits God to what's in the Bible- it seems to me the belief is not that great. God is beyond that, and has no boundaries. And the Bible, anyway... is merely a selection of works approved by the ancient councils. There's far more, and 'Christianity' is *not* the same across the board for all sects and believers. There is no main Christian panel of judges at the top these days that decides what flies and what doesn't- there are approximately 38,000 Christian denominations. You can't make such blanket statement as 'no way' and have them apply to each of those many thousands. You may personally think some of them aren't 'real Christians'... but it's not going to make them or their belief-system any less real.

I am smiling as I read all the posts on this interesting thread. I deal many times with the misconception of many followers of the Catholic religion. They "think" that they are following a scripture (the Bible) which make emphasis of only one God, and everything else, is just a creation of Humans to oppress or control others. or what they called it: Paganism. There are many religions through out the Humans race, and all have their own up and down. If you feel comfortable doing what you are doing with out harming nobody, then, kudos to you. But, as to be an Organize Religion or group, there always will be those who will let you know, that is against their GOD.

We need to remember that chrisyianity is very pagab in nature and practise in many ways, they've just adapyed pagan wats, so I see nothing wrong with her personal path. I think we need to allow her the freedom to seek whatever path works for her. This is the same freedom we all demand, so let's be acreful about limiting that same freedom to others.

I can make the statement that I made because I am educated specifically in this area. I never said I personally believed this way, I am saying others do and I do not tell them their faiths are invalid. I know there are too many different kinds of Christianity to say, Christians believe... and have it be true for all the denominations across the board. It simply isn't. I'll whip out one of my old textbooks later to share some interesting insight... not that it will matter for some.

I have 6 years of formal Theological Education, 2 of those include the diacontate seminary where I used the following textbook in studying the New Testament. Here are a few paragrpahs from that book- words I always remember when I hear people debating what's valid and what isn't in Christianity.

Christianity in the modern world is a richly diverse phenomenon. Ask any Pentecostal preacher who has attended a Roman Catholic mass, or Greek Orthodox monk who has happened upon a Baptist revival, or Episcopalian nun who was visited a Jehova's Witness prayer meeting. There is, to be sure, common ground among many Christian groups, but when you compare the beliefs and practices of an Appalachian snake handler with those of a New England Presbyterian, you may well be more struck by the differences than the similarities.

Is this kind of rich diversity a modern development? Many people appear to think so. For them, Christianity was originally a solid unity, but with the passing of time (especially since the Protestant Reformation) this unity became fractured and fragmented. Historians, however, recognize that in some ways Christian differences today pale in comparison with those that existed among believers in the distant past. If we turn back the clock back 1,850 years to the middle of the second century, we find people calling themselves Christian who believe that there are 2 different gods, or 30, or 365, Christians who claim that the Old Testament is an evil book inspired by an evil deity, Christians who say that God did not create the world and has never had any involvement with it, Christians who maintain that Jesus did not have a human body, or that he did not have a human soul, or that he was never born, or that he ever lived.

Of course, many people today would argue that such views could not be Christian. What is striking to the historian, however, is that people who believed these things claimed to be Christian. Moreover, these believers invariably maintained that their ideas were taugtht by Jesus himself. In many instances, they could appeal to written proof, for they all possessed documents allegedly penned by Jesus' own apostles.

Severus I'm going to throw a few words out at you. John Calvin, Martin Luther, William of Orange, Gustavus Adolphus Magnus. Images all the christians I know an not catholic would take issue with the mixing. However I hear where you are coming from though the whole Theological degree in this "debate" is somewhat a red herring is it not? You know considering your whole argument is let what others think and the bible be damned.

If 'let what others think and the bible be damned' was my argument, I would have said that. Even in mainline Christianity people argue other denominations alone aren't 'Biblical'... People say Roman Catholicism isn't Christianity and isn't Biblical all the time- and even right here in this thread. It's up to interpretation and always has been. Every Christian thinks they are the 'real Christians'.

There's a joke that goes... A man dies and goes to heaven and meets St. Peter at the pearly gates... he's giving them a tour of Heaven, when the guy sees all these gated areas. He asks St. Peter, "Who's over there... and there... and there... etc...???" St. Peter takes turns poiting the different blocked off areas, "Those are the Catholics, they think they're the only ones here. Those are the Baptists, they think they're the only ones here. Those are the Lutherans, they think they're the only ones here. Those are the Amish, they think they're the only ones here." And so on...

I personally find the melding of Wicca and Christianity a giant leap and don't agree with it. I would be more of the mind that 'God has many faces'. I think it is ridiculous that people always feel the need to assign a gender to God. It's very 'human' to do that because people always have this need to be able to identify with the unidentifiable. For me, I don't attempt to put a face on God- and don't imagine a God as a woman or man... Because that implies God is human and bound by our limits.

That personal admission given... It's still not up to me to decide and say what can or can't be. When people do that with religions, it's against everything we hoped to evolve towards in Western society with freedom of religion. I respect other paths, and hopefully being that way I get the same respect for mine.

Imagesinwords wrote,

It's still not up to me to decide and say what can or can't be. When people do that with religions, it's against everything we hoped to evolve towards in Western society with freedom of religion.


I could not agree more.

The first amendment prohibits the making of any law respecting an establishment of religion, or impeding the free exercise of religion... The right to religious freedom stands as a Shield not a Sword!! That means your right under it is a defense, your individual right to not be forced by any group or government to believe in what someone else wants you to believe.
But that defense does not provide a perversion that allows you to change someone else's religious doctrine to suit your personal desires either. Doing so violates what they believe in and effectively takes away their right to freedom of religion.

I have every right to sit in my living room and believe I'm a Vampire Rave Administrator if I want to see myself that way, but the second I sign on and start calling myself an Adim people Should and will challenge me on it. That doesn't make them some how less enlightened for calling me out and it isn't an infringement of my rights.
If I hack into the VR systems and start re-writing the Term Of Service to fit my own desires I have gone beyond my rights as an individual. So instead I found another website and call it "Vampyre Rave."
I based my site on this one I just follow my own T.O.S.
If Vampire Rave doesn't except and acknowledge my new website and it's members as part of the Dark Network does that make all of you close minded??


Just because I have the right to do something if I want, doesn't automatically make what I'm doing right.

A concept which is often over looked in our "enlightened" modern society.

I don't think that analogy is anywhere close though. Spirituality can't be equated to identity fraud, like false title claims of jobs and whatnot. Spirituality is a belief-system... If someone believes something, no one else can tell them they really don't. Spiritual blending has been a truth forever. That's always been my point in this thread. I am a Christian who puts zero limits on the God I believe in. I don't personally see how Chritianity and Wicca can be combined- although I believe that God speaks to everyone through their specific cultures and traditions... And may be called by different names. Throughout history there have been stories of creation and moral values by different cultures that have never 'met', stories too similar- only the names and places are different. For me, it seems like the same God speaking and being true for all. That's my belief.

There will always be a person telling you that your religion isn't valid. That's life. Being strong enough to not let it shake what is in your heart of hearts is also life. We all deal with that rather we are Christian, Jewish, Muslim, or Atheist. It's the ongoing 'us against them' crap. I always stand by everyone's right to a belief. I have to if I am ever to expect the same for me. It's that damned Golden Rule thing. Biblical... Although it could be debated like everything else seems to be.

I have been watching this thread and both sides have a point.

Basically christianity as a whole who cares what denomination...but the religion its self says that there is no way you can be christian and something else. But other religions will let you merge the 2 together. I believe what people are saying is state it as a Wiccan Christian. Which would be like wiccan with some christianity in with it. Stated the other way you are damning yourself according to the "bible". but honestly who cares believe what you feel. That is basically what i am seeing.

In most pagan traditions we accept the ethos of :"And it harm none fo as thou wukt." Sonce she's doing no harm let's allow her to do as she wilt.

This has been a fun thread to follow. I really learned a lot from imagesinwords and others. I am not a catholic and don't consider catholics the only Christians. In fact, I would like to learn more about catholicism because I really don't understand or agree with a lot of their beliefs or traditions. I feel like my Christian faith goes beyond the church. Interesting conversation!

There Is No Christain Wicca You Are EithEr Christain Or Wiccan I Agree With Severus :)

What I learned from this thread- is that there are people here that wouldn't be able to get through a Theology program without freaking out when they learn of the real historical and present Christianity. We had those types who dropped out in school, or refused to sign up the next school year and just finished one of them because they'd already paid their tuition and didn't want to waste it. Christianity is indeed different for everyone. That's why some of them are staunch supporters for homosexual rights while others find it to be the the worst sin ever. How can this be? Interpretation- that's how. When the Westboro Baptist Church invites their local Roman Catholic parish over for a potluck--- maybe we can talk a little bit about what 'all' Christians believe.

Here is the questions the member asked at the beginning of the thread...

"Being a Christian Wiccan is a lonely road since there is so few. I'm looking for others in this religion (and how people feel about it. Do you believe the two religions can be mixed as I have done or not? Everyone has a opinion and I want to hear from you?)"

Read what's in the parenthesis...

She asked how people feel about it and their opinions of whether or not people believe the two can be mixed.

She originally wanted to hear everyone's opinions on this matter.

No one is berating or persecuting her. She is getting the responses she originally asked for.

Yes I thought my new religion would make for a great discussion. It has it seems. I like honest opinions and thats what I was looking for, not acceptance from anyone . Even though at times its appreciated. Thabk you everyone for your insightn

I have never heard of people mixing these two religions so, I do find it quite interesting to read what everyone's opinions are on the topic.

I've watched this thread (as a few others have seemed to do) and just thought I would throw my two cents in.

While I believe people can believe whatever they want, I believe calling this practice "Christian Wicca" is a little mistaken in my estimation. If by "Christian Wicca", you mean you worship nature, use magick, etc and recognize and follow the teachings of Jesus, then that's fine. I believe Jesus would be in favor of such a thing personally. However, if by "Christian Wicca" you mean you follow all the rules laid out in the bible and yet practice Wicca, then you are contradicting yourself. I won't go into all the details but yes, on some level, these two paths can be reconciled.

Good for you! If taking a bit of this and a bit of that helps you grow spiritually, than I am all for it.

I am abosolutely no theologist,but in reality,isnt this type of thing the same thing that has started many religions? Taking different belief in things,and melding them into a "religion" so to speak,that suits the believer?

My thinking is that most of the world's religions come from the same beginnings anyway,they have simply been modified to suit the individual perceptions.

From what I have heard,that is a big no no ?

Look at Ron Hubbard and his Scientology.Its a perfect example of this very thing.

While I am not knocking the OP,I do have to say I am confused due to the fact that Christianity centres around one God,not several.

For the record though,I cant go with the statement that this is as rare as we have been led to believe by the OP,nor,is it the OPs "new" religion.I have heard of this before and I believe it is actually called Trinitarian Wicca.

I would like to clarify my statement about Trinitarian Wicca not being new.I only mean this isnt something that has popped up in only the past year or two. In the over all scheme,Wicca itself is actually new,and I THINK Trinitarian Wiccanism is probably about 15 years or so...Im not sure when it was named .

I do apologise for three posts in a row,I have to keep logging off.

Anyway,I would like to sortof finish what I started here by saying that ,while Wicca is a "newer" religion and Tinitarian Wicca newer still,Christian Witchery has been around for about 2000 yrs or close.
So this is certainly not a new concept by any means.It just seems to me that one of the main things about this practice is that the divine feminine has been brought into the picture in a slightly different light.But considering the attention the virgin Mary has gotten over the past 2000 years in Christianity, it isnt suprising to see why...since God is believed to be of no specific gender.

I guess Moonlite,my overall opinion of this concept is that it is simply another example of religions being manipulated to suit a person's beliefs to the point where it allows the believer to continue and justify a lifestyle that they want to live.
On the otherhand,I see many similarities in Christianity and some aspects of witchcraft,so this whold Tinitarian thing was bound to happen sometime.

LOL What is that old saying they have in the bayou Images? When you want to confess deep,dark secrets,go see a priest.When you want to get something done,go see the conjure man?

Or something to that effect?

Here's a thought...

Doesn't changing a faith to suit how you want to live defeat the purpose of said faith?

Possably but hasnt most religions changed text and beliefs in some way to soot them. Besides not everyone interputs a writting/book the same. I started the forum for peoples input on the religions and there being mixed. However I didnt mean for anyone to completly bash the idea of it.

No one is bashing the idea of it. I asked a simple question.

Done with this thread.

I havent read one post in here that is even close to "bashing"

Simply because some posters opinions do not agre,accept or even exault the idea,that doesnt mean they are bashin.
But there could indeed be some tough debate coming your way,due to the contradictory nature of the two religions.Several have brought up valid points.

Look folks, who and what is she harming vy wanting to blend the 2? She's not the only one doing this. Are they actually causing harm? People might say the same about your path, right?

well this is were my studies of the bible come in good . pagan and chirstian were very close in the days of old and that is becasue of the jews intermarrages with others they were not suppose to marry with . when this happened they were told they could not study there word of God . but reather they could if they did not like the religion of the pagon gods could study nature. and this is very close to wiccan . Bus as for the two as one , never i would have to say becasue its one of the 10 commandments and thos 10 do not change in new or old testment and nor do the or did they ever change though out history of chiristian or chathlic. forgive my bad spelling . so as for the bible being changed it was not people read it the way they want it to come out but the words are all the same . just people take the words out of what they are not . you cant read the bible like a book . its hard to translate and was not ment to be translted for the most to english for lots of words to dont . But one thing though out the bible is this God is the great i am . meaning one God and others if you believe in others why not believe in the devil or the some might call the fallen one. For i believe his lies do creap into the minds of man and make lies of the very word of God. The bible is Gods words and no man can change that . If they try boy do i feel for them. But not the bible itself but the people that study his word thos have changed and let lies creep in . For God knows know lies but that witch come from the fallen that is becasue the fallen have corropted the world that once was perfected in and by Him. It is the lies of this world that will be its down fall. Wether chirstian or non. both lie and have lies in them. so how can we believe in any truth or no the truth , we cant the only answer lies in our fath . what we believe to be true is true. So as even Paul said if some one teaches Jesus do not let them be stoped . but let the word flow and it is the truth . The turth shall set you free . is one of the best things i believe in . Not mans truth of things just comeing into be. that is just plain silly . some thing had to make that thing that come to be or else how do you explain it . The only thing wrong with mixing the two is that you brake the commandments . tho shall have no other god before Me. but as far as it goes too you do no wrong in saying what you say or doing what you do becasue you even admit that Jesus has a big part in it all . But i did notes you did not say that Jesus was God and is a live this very day. Just becasue you can not see something does not make it dead . For there is life on other planets but we dont see it yet . so we choose not to believe in it . or it does not matter to us. but we do know its there because the planets have air and some of the same charactoristics of earth . and our galaxey.

Mel,others did not start the thread.So really ,it doesnt matter about their paths..or yours or mine.Unless youre a Christian witch.
The op wants to hear opinions.People cant really give an opinion unless they understand more of whats going on.And then declare "bashing" at the first sign of questioning or dissaproval
Scrutiny doesnt always equal disapproval.But if your going to start a thread like this,considering the controversies,be ready to talk more about it to help clarify any misconceptions others might have?

Its just a strange mixture of beliefs.
And I feel that anyone who follows a path of their heart or true God, can never really be all that lonely.

Cause if thats your belief,we are never alone.

And "so few" ? That one gets to me a little because faith and our love of God has nothing to do with numbers or how many others might follow the same path.

God is God.

There is no reason for people to get angry just because someone has an opposing view- yet, a couple people have pointed out bashing, when there has been none. We've had people say 'yes you can' and people say, 'no you can't'. That's hardly bashing. Actually- the biggest debates here have been between other posters.

At this point, I think it's just time to close this thread. People are being far too touchy and not allowing for calm and cool conversation.