Do vampires exist in todays society without being detected
You mean movie vampires like Lestat?
I would have to say no they do not.
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It depends on who you are asking. Mythological vampires we know from fiction, no. Human living vampires? Well... They say they are vampires- and many disagree with that assessment also.
I know there are people who drink small amounts of blood and have donors and all. If they want to call themselves vampires, who am I to to say they aren't?
Also, there are the energy (?) vampires. If they believe it, so be it.
It's all about perspective.
Depending on how a person defines "Vampyre" or how they define themselves plays a role in this question.
Psy vampyres may sometimes consider themselves psycics all because of the nature of how they feed or because psy vampyres have a natural affinity for seeing the future, intuion, ability to read people, etc....
Others like sang whom get donors and do drink blood be it because they like it or need it are free to consider themselves Vampyres or they could just say they just have some odd quirk about them, and that is all.
BUT in this thread if you are relating to those like twilight vampyres or dracula then I'd say no.
Hope that helped!!!
What I love is how in one thread (Christian Wiccan) people said that you absoluty have the right to believe in what ever you wish to and no one can say other wise, they will tell you to follow your heart because no one can prove or disprove the exsitance of what you choose to place your faith in.
If you post your opinion they will slam you for having the nerve to tell someone that their beliefs are not possible but in this thread will tell you that very same thing.
Something tells me that if vampires do exist, they don't want any of us bothering them and getting into their business. So - in other words, if they are around, they are all on the down-low. LOL.
Yes they exist! I started a quest years ago to reunite with them. I am accepted but not trusted. There is ones older then the vampires. They are a cross between vamps and werewolves. They are called the Shadow people. They are only seen when they want to be seen. Most vamps also have the cloaking ability. I use it myself at times.
They exist in Cinema.
Literature.
Fantasy.
Dreams.
Lifestyle
Lust.
Art.
Thoughts an imagination...
So yes,in that respect.
I agree Oceanne, you have broadened my mind on this topic.
However, do I think I need to fear that a vampire may be lurking for me in a dark alley?
He/she/it better bring friends...
If a child asked me "does the tooth fairy exist?" I would answer "Yes" because in a sense the tooth fairy does exist, we all know as adults that the mythical fairy does not physically exist, but the case remains that parents take on the role of the tooth fairy when children lose their teeth. There are people that adopted the nomenclature vampire, either because they have no other nomenclature available, or because they lack imagination in producing another name. So are there people who claim to be vampires? Yes, does this make them vampires? No.
Just like placing presents under a tree does not make a parent Santa.
While some are more adamant in their claim then others with a single exception I have seen no substantial resource that defines their stance on what they declare makes them a vampire, sure you hear alot of " Hollywood, and fiction has it wrong." yet they personally bulk when asked to offer anything to the contrary.
To those who claim a need for energy, or an energy deficiency , I offer the following.
The alleged deficiency may be nothing more then hypochondria, and the alleged feeding on energy becomes the placebo to that person. It would be simple to test a "vampire" to see if they can absorb energy from an another subject.
They did something to that effect about 20 years ago,Dabs.Using several different types of photography.They took blood tests,etc.
There where no significant changes in either of the participants at the point in time.Im sure they have tried more since then,but I have not heard of anything regarding the findings.
And how do you test for a soul or the energy it produces??
Vampires feed off of spiritual and emtional like energies... that's not what they are testing for and no such test yet exists.
Have you even gone on a long trip, gotten out of the car and felt like you were zappped?? To feel drained of life even though you did nothing to warrent that level of mental physical of emtional drain??
There are many types of enery and we aren't talking about energy of the body, and that's why testing always fails.
"Not everything that can be counted counts, and not everything that counts can be counted."
- Albert Einstein
I agree Serv,in that we really cant test this for the actual "energy" because we dont know how,or quite what we're looking for yet..But I would think that if energy where actually being transfered,there might be some changes in the people by way of bioelectric surges or such.
Yes,there are so many influences on our energy levels,and yes,I can feel drained for no apparent reason.But if I get to thinking about it,I can come up with a plathora of culprits that can do this to the human body, without contributing it to vampirism.
Agreed Oc... and for the record I'm not saying that something like a long drive is some how related to an act of vampirism, I was simply attempting to show that there are many types of energy for which can be testedstress and other things can drain you of.
There's no current test which definativly show a draining of the bodies energy due to stress yet we understand and except that it can occur.
That why I used the Albert Einstein qoute.
There was a test done by a young girl that tested the claims of energy healing (were hands are placed close to the patient) a test that could be used to test the claims that "vampires" absorb energy. If the alleged vampire "senses" a person on the other side of a blind they indicate so, the sitter alternates between being in and out of the room. The percentage of hits indicates whether the alleged vampire actually received anything from the session.
As far as vampires existing, even those who identify as vampires would agree that there are those who are delusional, and far reaching with their claims. In one thread I read a post that declared the person could "feed" all the way to the UK from some one... really?
When a question of this magnitude is asked, the first thing that pop to the mind of the reader, is the Vampires created by the cinema and the writers of some books. Never come into the mind about under ground clubs of Vampires. A club, where the legend meet the reality. For some, is better to believe, that something that can harm them, doesn't exist. For others, the fascination of joining such of club can last a life time. The Vampire that Fly and live for an eternity, pure jumbo-jack, the new Vampires are more sadistic and less lover style.
Markus... Vampire clubs are not where "legend meets reality" but, instead, where Humans pretend to be cinema vampires. The only "vampire" you know is what you have seen in movies and read about in Western fictions... the very beings you correctly conclude are not real. Yet these are exactly the same unreal beings those you call "Vampires" pretend to be.
Were an actual Eastern European Vampire, as actually described in such areas from Medieval times up to the 20th Century, to sit down next to you...you wouldn't have a clue. Nor would you find any such actual Vampires attending any "Vampire" club...much less attempting to drink blood or psi- "feed" off anyone.
And no... they are not nor ever have been sadistic.
I don't believe there are vampires as portrayed
in movie with super human strength, but I do believe
there are people that practice vampirism, either by
blood or energy. With that being said, those that
do practice vampirism, yes, I believe they could
exist without being detected, just like the other
things that roam around, not being detected...
there are many mysteries of this world.....
Well when it comes to people practicing vampirism, most of those folks are not undetected and in fact their claims to be vampires is sometimes done simply for attention.
Vampires as in "something that feeds on blood" do exist as an example would be leeches, vampire bats and some eel-like creatures in the water (can't recall the name).
There are a lot of folks claiming to be vampires, either the "hollywood/tv" versions or a special type of sangs (claiming they need the blood and that they get severe headaches during in the sun) The could easily be a medical condition.
When it comes to vampires, sunlight weakness is pure myth. In folklore vampires were not weak against the sun, they were just dormant during the daylight hours and had a bad dose of ocd. They were not pretty or handsome either, simply being walking corpse looking for blood.
Energy vampires claim to be vampires that suck energy (sometimes during sexual activity), if they could in fact do that then they would be a succubus not a vampire, although some creatures in folklore did become crossed and even related to each other.
Simple answers to the thread question:
Do hollywood vampires exist? no.
Do people claiming to be vampires exist? sadly yes. (And most dress like goths and emos, gee what a surprise)
People who have nothing in their lives fantasize a lot, being someone or something else appeals to them a lot and sometimes they get carried away.
vampires do exist, just not like in twilight or a lot of those other block buster movies
you tube has much of the proof you need.
but answer this why would vr have been created if vampires didn't exist.
but one thing i will say vampires are very good at hiding
Really? Youtube as "proof"? You're actually going there? I'll hope you meant that tongue-in-cheek.
yes but from there it does give some interesting references to check out.
yes vampires do there are people in the world that drink blood and can not go out in the sun cause it hurts them and sometimes may kill them so yes i beleive they are really
i think as long as you believe it is true and you have to have a little faith!
If we didnt believe i doubt any of us would actually be here, maybe they do exist in the shadows or in everyday life just never detected until they want to be.
Again it's all about perspective and yes some faith. If your not open mineded to the idea then obviously you are going to say no. Bu in the scheme of things what would it change. If a person were to full believe they are a vampyre who are you to tell them they are delirious? We all have our own minds and ways of life so you can't really judge,
Remember, be careful when you point your finger because there are three more pointing back at you.
i met a woman vampire in a hotel once.she had reall fangs.we talked alot about sf.
i have never met another of my kind apart from on here for the simple reason i don't know were to look
"you tube has much of the proof you need.
but answer this why would vr have been created if vampires didn't exist.
but one thing i will say vampires are very good at hiding"
Well I can answer that if my memory is not hazy, VR was originally for archiving anything vampire related before evolving into social network.
If people need to believe in vampires to soothe their miserable lives then they are welcome to do that but in the end, they will never get what they want from that fantasy.
vampires do exist but are very good at hiding when they need to
Simply, "YES" they do exist and have through out the ages, yet they do not exist as Hollywood portrays them to be.
"Some of the earliest evidence of Ritual Vampirism comes from Tartaria in Transylvania and stems to the fifth millennium BC. Remains of a human body were found buried in a fire pit along with clay tablets upon which were inscribed the names of the ’Sumerian’ god Enki and the ranking number of Father Anu. The language was subsequently termed ’proto-Sumerian’ and represented some of the earliest written artifacts yet to be found.
The descendants of these early vampires were the Sacred Ubaid Race who, one millennium later, settled Mesopotamia and founded the Anunnaki religion of the Sumerians in 3500 BC. Their Transylvanian ancestors were the Anunnaki Gods themselves.
Various suggestions have been proposed in an attempt to explain the origin and meaning of the word vampire. One recent suggestion was that it was applied to a group of ’Watchers’ (Seers - Derkesthai: Dragons) who had occupied a settlement near "lake Van", in Urartu - Armenia. The original location - Greater Scythia - is faultless, the association is without error but the etymology is unresearched and the philology is completely absent.
Although that author’s suggested identification between Watchers and Vampires is absolutely correct, the word vampire does not in any sense relate to their former geographical location or origin but, as we shall see, rather to the vampires’ social and spiritual identity and status within a given cultural framework, which in this instance was Scythian, overlaid on Celtic.
In the journals of the 17th century cleric, the Abbé Calmet, the word vampire is transliterated into its most common, and its earlier, central European form which is spelt either oupire or oupere. These spellings are common in literature of Calmet’s time and represent the original form of the word vampire.
When the word migrated into Latin from Anatolian the u became a v because, as we will recall, there is no u character represented in the Latin alphabet. If there had been, then the Latinized western European construction of the word would have been uampire. By now bells should be ringing in the readers’ heads as they remember hearing about wampires somewhere or another, perhaps in a humorous context.
The Romans didn’t have a w and this letter appeared in clerical Latin during the medieval period as v v, as presented in the ridiculous phrase mortvvs svm. The vv being used then as a long vowel sound to differentiate between u and v sounds which were both represented by the Latin v.
So to recap, let’s have a look at the linguistic migration so far: oupere - oupire - owpire - ovpire. At this point we must remember that the word migrated from one language into another at a time when the most commonly used form of transmission was oral. This was bound to lead to confusion when the word was written down for the first time, as it has in numerous other instances.
By now we should be asking "If the word vampire was originally spelt oupire, where on earth did the ’m’ come from?" All the author can say is thank heavens for the anomalous ’m’ because it is this component that really confirms the origin and meaning of the word vampire, according to currently accepted scholarship.
Philologists would agree that the word vampire, as oupere, in its present form originated from the Turkish word uber, which means ’witch’. This would appear to present even more problems because in addition to an anomalous ’m’, we now also have a ’b’ to explain away! Nevertheless the author promises you that tenacity and perseverance will bring its own rewards, so be patient and do try and keep up.
Leaving the ’m’ aside for a moment, there would seem to be a serious linguistic problem in that oupere is spelt with a ’p’ and uber is spelt with a ’b’, which the reader might suspect would undermine the connection between both words. Especially as vampire or oupere is European and uber is Turkish and thus from a separate language group. However, this is not so.
As the Turkic-Uralic language is very different from Indo-European, it would appear that the word vampire in its original form is not Indo-European, but an Asiatic word that has changed in spelling and pronunciation during the passage of time and its migration northward.
It might then appear that the central Asian word for a witch - uber - would mean something entirely different to the European meaning of the word ’witch’ and would therefore bring with it an entirely different set of cultural and mythic associations. However, what the reader might not realize is that modern Turkey and its language is, like any other, an evolutionary compilation of historical, linguistic and cultural influences.
Prior to being named Turkey, Asia Minor or Anatolia was the centre of the eastern Roman Empire of Byzantium. At the heart of Asia Minor, contemporary with Rome but originating from an earlier period still, was the vast region of Galatia at the heart of which was a region occupied in the Persian era by the Cimmerians of Scythia, at a time when Galilee, Gilead and Gaulatinis in northern Israel were Scythian territories named after their language.
As Galatia spread northwards it bordered upon Phrygia and Troy and reached out further still to become Galati as it crossed the Bosphorus and encompassed Transylvania. On its westward marches Galati assimilated both Bulgaria and Gaul.
In consequence of this, a massive proportion of what is now called Turkey was in fact, along with most of Europe, a Gaelic or properly a Goidelic speaking, Scythian/Celtic civilization, comprising of independent tribal groups who spoke a number of Gaelic dialects, amongst which and most notably are what we now know as the so called ’P’ and ’Q’ or ’K’ Goidelic language variants.
The P and Q variants in Brythonic-Cymric (Welsh) and Goidelic-Scotic (Irish Scots), as an example, mean that the word ’son’ will be spelt map in Cymric and mac in Scotic. Furthermore there is a sub variant in this language group where ’P’ and ’B’ sounds also become interchangeable, as in the Welsh pen as in the mountain - Penllithrig’y’wrach - meaning "the slippery hill of the witch" in Snowdonia, and the Scots ben as in Ben Nevis in Scotland - both of which mean ’head’ or ’peak’. The Cymric language was originally Cimmerian or northern Scythian, whilst Scotic is a southern Scythian dialect.
The Galatian word uber is from the Scythian goidelic group whilst in Russia and Poland, which was influenced by the Cimmerian or Brythonic group, the same word for vampire is spelt upyr and upior respectively. There have been numerous Scythian migrations over the millennia and the Gaelic language has been carried across the Eurasian continent to influence the languages of many peoples. The Trojans who lived next door to the Galatians and were themselves Scythians moved to Italy and became the Latines.
As we can see by this example, the b has consistently become a v and this is how we know that the word for a vampire uber, is not a Turkish word at all but Gaelic or Galatian. Remember the anomalous ’m’ in vampire? Well it just so happens that in dialectic Gaelic the consonant group Mh is pronounced V. The ’h’ became discarded over time and left the ’m’ in vampire where the ’u’ or ’v’ should be. If spelt literally vampire would be uavber, uauber or uaupir, which is the central European oupire or oupere.
These variants stem from the Sanskrit upari (Up-Ari or Up-Arya, meaning Over-Lord) for which the Greek is uper - uper - which, as we have already seen, is a component of super in Latin. Over (ME - ouere) began as a graphic variant of uuere which translates into the dynastic name Vere with the Latin V being interchangeable with the double U or hard Germanic W which became V - rendering Ver or Were. This is pronounced as a soft F, which we find in the Norse Yfari and the old English Uffara or Yffera.
The Turkish, or properly Galatian word Uber, meaning ’witch’ therefore linguistically corresponds to the foregoing variations found in Gothic, German, Dutch, Norse English, Greek, Latin and Sanskrit, where finally, as Upari, we discover that originally Uber - Vampire - meant Overlord. In the following paragraphs we shall investigate the cultural background behind the word ’witch’ as uber, and discover that what holds true linguistically is supported by cultural and social evidence.
Contextually, when applied to an individual as a ’witch’, the word uber would suggest that the person referred to was in some way ’over’ or ’above’ others, as in the German ubermensch or uberherren. The Germanic languages, as with the others sampled here, are all Indo-European and the Sanskrit in particular, being of Aryan or Scythian origin is closest to the Galatian, and we shall see that the argument for overlordship is exactly the case.
From a cultural standpoint, we read the word ’witch’ and with it comes a large trolley of baggage that we have inherited from the popularly reinforced understanding of the word, influenced heavily by fairy stories and biased histories told from a protagonistic point of view. Today the specifically Saxon word ’witch’ tends to conjure up images of old hags prancing about on dark, spooky moors and cackling into cauldrons.
Witch is derived from the Saxon root word wicce (feminine) or wicca (masculine) and the Saxons used it to describe a class of persons whom they thought were inhabited by an intelligence or spirit - a daemon or genii - usually evil, because the Saxons took up catholicism pretty early on in their careers and were consequently biased.
Conversely, some people today would like us to believe, however, that ’witch’ meant a "wise one" and say that witchcraft, or in Saxon - wiccecraeft as they like to call it - means craft of the wise, failing completely to realize that the word wise in Saxon is wita, not wicca or wicce.
Wicca is actually related to both ’wicker’ and ’Viking’ or Wiking as the Norse would pronounce it. In Russia the word Vikhr meaning whirlwind, is a title of the Zmei Dragons, sons and daughters of Zmei-Tiamat. This confirms that the link between Sumaire, Zmei or Zumei and Sumeria was also known in Russia, once a Viking province.
It also demonstrates that the Danish Vikings, witch lords, were sons of the Dragon and the Scandinavian Tuadha d’Anu. In Ireland the Zmei Lord or Vikhr is known as the Dark King - the Whirlwind, meaning he was sumaire or vampire and via Uber, a Witch Lord or Wicca. As the Willow (wicker) bends and yields to the whirlwind so the witch (wicca) yields to the Sumaire, the ancient vampire legacy within him or her, a legacy that is awoken during the Mass of the Phoenix, when the primordial ancestors rise from the dead to take possession of the witch’s soul!
Wicca, derived from the same Saxon word as Willow, means to "bend or yield" ones spirit to that of a daemon (Greek, meaning praeter human intelligence or inspiration), giving the christian idea of possession, though erroneously. The witch was indeed possessed by a daemon and that daemon was certainly praeter-human and not of this world.
Any spirit, including the archangels, conjured by the witch or magician (the distinction, like that between pagan and christian, is fallacious), as in ceremonial magic, was actually the ancestor (antecessor) of the witch her or himself. It was a denizen of the ancient dragon itself - but it was carried in the witch’s blood which, the purer it was through unbroken descent from the Dragons, the stronger would be the return of the ancestors within. The Stronger the blood the stronger the invocation and the more complete the possession. With Mixed blood there was weak inspiration and little discernible presence. "The Blood is the Life".
The witch was possessed by this daemon, because the witch by descent and heredity was that daemon itself. It was his or her genetic inheritance and part of his or her racial consciousness, and to that the witch would yield, when occasion necessitated, placing the witch and the words wicce or wicca firmly in the tradition of the trance seer (derkesthai), a practice rooted in Scythian shamanic culture.
This is confirmed in the word genius, meaning inborn intellect or inspiration. Closely related to this word is genie, meaning a spirit, as in genius loci - ’a spirit of place’. In Arabic the jinni is a spirit of fire or inspiration. The Latin genius, in Greek, is a daemon or inspiring intelligence and the root Latin gens signifies birth, origin and especially blood. The daemon or genius of the Dragons was inherited through the blood. Witches are born, not made by silly playacting initiation rituals.
A seer in Gaelic was called a Merlin and in the tripartite Aryan-Scythian caste system which overlaid that of their clients, the deeply religious Celts, the Merlin was a Druid Prince. Either side of the Druidic caste were the castes of the warrior aristocrats and the craftsmen and although they all tended to behave as equals in this king tribe system, the druids were senior in rank.
Each caste attended to their allotted tasks and the study, teaching and practice of shamanism and magic were strictly the province of the Druids and Druidesses, forming part of a vast storehouse of knowledge and experience in the crafts and sciences, and in statesmanship and lore.
The Druids were responsible for bringing into being gods for the Celts to worship and though they themselves were not religious, scholars agree that Druidism was the "religion" of the Celtic world. So we can see that although the Celts had their own caste system with their own burgh kings or chieftains, above them were the Scythian kings, and above the Scythian kings were the Elven Druids, the Priest Kings who stood above all others, the ultimate Overlords of Eurasia.
In the Scandinavian countries the craft or ability to gain wisdom or power (Sanskrit - Siddhi) by yielding to daemons or intelligences (ancestral god spirits which were part of the practitioners’ own genetic inheritance and make-up) through trance or dream states was considered to be shamanic and was called Siddir, whilst those who practiced this art were themselves called Siddirs. The Siddir knotted together the web of dreams and loosened those knots to release power and knowledge.
In other words they brought together and spoke or gesticulated a series of mnemonics that would trigger off precontrived, imprinted states of consciousness that acted as doorways into deeper seats of consciousness. In Gaelic Scythian this ability and the name corresponding to it was called the Sidhe, a term used to describe and name the Irish fairies, the Tuadha d’Anu or Tuatha de Danaan as they were later called, a race of priest kings or druid princes.
The Web of Dreams relates to both the witches’ knotted ball and the Web of Wyrd or Fate (fata-fairy) and in the Scythian and Celtic cosmology, the power associated with it was thought to reside in the Otherworld, the realm of the gods (druidic ancestors) which was entered via trance or dream states, achieved whilst the druid or druidess occupied the fairy hills, the mortuary raths where the forefathers were buried.
The witch, as a seer or Merlin in Scythian culture and society, consequently belonged to an exclusive genome within a distinct holy and royal caste of overlords, which is reflected in the Gaelic word for a witch - Druidhe - which is pronounced Drui and is related to Draoi and Dracoi, meaning a dragon. Drui itself means Man (or Woman) of the Tree (not men of the oaks, as some have suggested) and is also related to the Sanskrit dru, meaning to run. This is associated with the ritual of running the labyrinth, with which we will deal in due course.
Therefore in Galatia, which had its own druids and was the site of the Nemeton, the largest regular gathering of druids in Europe, the term for a witch was Uber meaning Overlord, whilst in the Gaelic west the term for a witch was Druidhe which meant the same as Uber - An Overlord.
In summary vampire in its earlier form - oupire - derives ultimately from the Galatian Uber, which itself is derived from the Aryan Upari and linguistically and contextually the Vampire - the witch or druid - was a Scythian High Queen or King: an Overlord.
It is interesting to note in this context that when he compiled his journals in the 17th century Calmet, who had traveled extensively throughout the Austrian empire as an official vampire investigator accompanying imperial officers and soldiers, wrote that he had found no evidence whatsoever to support any notion that vampirism was either a supernatural phenomenon committed by praeter-natural beings - which he utterly refutes - or that it ever occurred in any form, either as a cult or in any isolated incidents, amongst the lower strata of society.
Without exception the enlightened Abbé was able to discover perfectly ordinary explanations for the incidents he had investigated, which in his day was quite remarkable, as the Church in past times had actively promoted vampire paranoia.
As Professor Margaret Murray discovered herself, vampirism was not the prerogative of the merchant or peasant classes, but was a cultic observance confined to the environs of the nobility, often as an adjunct to rites of the Noble and Royal Witch Covens of Scotland.
We can say with confidence then that real vampirism was indulged in by living beings who, unerringly, were members of the pre-christian and anti-christian high nobility and royalty. The most famous vampire stories, those of Dracula, Bathory and de Rais, support this conclusion. The historical evidence therefore supports the etymological origin of the word ’vampire’ - An Overlord.
Vampirism, up until the early 1700’s, by which time it had been in decline for several centuries, was not merely or solely the practice of a few isolated, high-born opportunists seeking some form of personal advantage or satisfying private perversions. Vampirism took two forms and the bloodline descendants of the ancient vampire lords had, in Britain, set the practice within an overall, multi-faceted social and cultural framework, stemming from the Iron-Age, that never gets an airing in the Gothic novel.
Vampires weren’t just vampires, as the penny dreadful would have us believe, they were individuals and families who used the practice to achieve specific aims and thereby fulfill those specific social obligations which, since the Scythian-Celtic period of the High Dragon Kings, were equated with their rank and position as leaders and overseers.
The Scythians
Throughout this discourse it must be borne in mind that when we speak of the Scythians as ’fairies’, ’dragons’, ’vampires’ or ’elves’, we are not talking about either the client races of the Scythians, or the ordinary Scythian citizenry, but of ’Royal Scythians’.
As we have discovered, the vampire - as a "witch" - belonged by genetic inheritance, to a distinct royal caste in Scythian-Celtic society, that of the priest-king or priestess-queen, the prince and princess-druids who had evolved very early on in human social history and who belonged to a Eurasian-wide hereditary priestly community which had originated with the Scythian-Aryans. The name Scythian was originally spelt Sithian in 16th century England, and it is from this tribal name that we obtain the word scythe, denoting a curved bladed agricultural tool, so named because of its similarity in shape to the Scythian sword.
The Scythians weren’t however named after their use of a curved sword. The name Sithian is related to a group of words that appear in Indo-European languages which are found as far apart as Eire and Northern India, indicating that they had a common Aryan origin in Scythia. These include - Sithia, Sidhe, Siddir and Siddhi.
In Cymric ’dd’ is pronounced ’th’, whilst in Irish and Scots the ’th’ is spelt dialectically ’dh’ whilst the ’s’ beginning a word is pronounced ’sh’. As we have related, the Siddir in Danish society were witches who practiced the art of knot tying and loosening.
These Siddir were directly related to the mythic Norns, the Mori or Fates who were said to be responsible for the fate of mankind by the patterns that they wove in the way that they tied and loosened the knots of the Web of Wyrd. The Siddirs, as well as being seers, could control such power as to influence the outcome of human affairs and in this respect their name reflects their abilities which, in India, were called the Siddhis, a word used to describe the powers of the Yogi who had self-realized.
The curious Irish word - Sidhe - pronounced ’shee’, ’sheeth’ or ’sheeth-ay’, attributed to the fairies and meaning ’powers’, is therefore identical to Siddir (sheeth-eer) and Siddhi (sheeth-ee) and is derived therefore, from the people of the powers - the Scythians or Sidheans (sheethee-ans). In Scotland the royal fairies were called the Seelie or Sheelie and their princesses were related to the sculpted Sheelagh Na Gigs over church doorways, who do NOT depict ancient goddesses of fertility, but were the royal Grail Maidens of the Elven kings and queens.
The Sheelagh na Gigs were goddesses of sovereignty and transcendence, and their place over the doorways of churches, many of which were built on the sites of ancient sacred groves, indicated that in entering these buildings one was entering through the vulva of the maiden into the otherworld, the realm of Elphame and the Kingdom of Heaven.
They were permitted above church doorways because the early church itself wanted to be identified with the old ways, firstly because it was in fact, at least in the beginning, part of the old ways and later, when catholicism took over, the Sheelaghs remained in place - in order to attract and convert "pagans".
Along with the Irish Sidhe, the Seelie and the Seelie Court of Scotland had a distinctly royal origin in the Tuadha d’Anu who when asked, like their Pictish descendants in Scotland, said of themselves that they were Scythian, as Canon Beck himself has insisted.
Some people tend to think that the word sidhe means a hill and therefore that the Irish Danaan, as the Sidhe, inherited this name as a consequence of fleeing into the hills after their defeat by the Milesians. As we can see this is not so and the fairy "hills", where the Aes Dan or Danaan, the gods of the Irish, were said to live, weren’t all Sidhe hills.
These - the power hills - were the sacred temple-mortuary raths and barrows, the creachaires or tomb-sepulchers, that the Danaan priest-kings were wont to ritually occupy for millennia before moving to Eire, and centuries before their Iberian kinsmen, the Milesians, came looking for a fight. The Sidhe, the Fairies, were the ’controllers of the fate of mankind’ and so named in remembrance of, and in identification with, their ancient Anunnaki (Anunnagi) ancestors.
In pre-christian history, although some practiced agriculture for a while, according to Murray-Hall M.A. they abandoned it for their traditional way of life and many of the Scythian clans remained solitary and insular nomadic pastoralists - horse lords who ranged across large tracts of Europe and Asia for centuries. Others opted late for a more settled existence and mixed settled agriculture with pastorialism, a system that can be found in both Takla Makan, where they built fine cities, and in Ireland, where they became know as the trooping fairies.
In general they were usually tall, pale skinned, with golden red hair and green eyes, unlike the Celts, who were stocky and squat, with ruddy complexions and dark hair, and practiced settled agriculture from a very early period.
The recent and rather unfortunate propagandist depiction of the Aryan (Scythian) as a tall, ruddy complexioned blonde racist yeoman-farmer-warrior-god has no basis in truth. In pre-christian history an Aryan was a High King, a warrior was a warrior and a farmer was a farmer and ne’er the three e’er met. The real Aryans of fact were red haired and green eyed, their hired military help, derived from their lower Ksatriya caste who were not Aryan were, sometimes, blonde and blue eyed.
The Aryan royal families didn’t intermarry with other tribes or castes but, with the development by many of their clans of settled city-states such as Scythopolis (30 AD, on the banks of the River Jordan just south of Galilee) nevertheless they became urban multi-racialists and appreciated cultural diversity.
The Aryan Hittites in particular were close allies of the Jews whose Draconian royal family, the House of David, made the Israelites, in a cultural sense, an early Aryan nation, and the Scythians and the Aryan Scythian Gaels had numerous settlements either in or adjacent to Israel and Judea.
The comparatively early use of the horse and of horse related technology separated the Aryans from the other tribes that occupied the middle-east and Eurasia. In Mittani, Mesopotamia, Akkad and Anatolia the Hurrians (whom in the 1920’s B. Hrozny described as the earliest Hindus) were the absolute Overlords and their supremacy is credited to their early use, like the Kurgans, of horse-drawn chariots.
The Hur syllable in Hurrian has been asserted by scholars, including G. Contenau (’La Civilisation des Hittites et des Hurrites de Mittani’) to be Har or Ar, meaning that the Hurrians, like the Scythians were Aryans with an Aryan Vedic royal-sacral family of gods.
These they bestowed upon the Hittites whose culture they dominated, (as the Hurrian or Aryan Mittani did in Mesopotamia) and the Hittites, in turn, provided the Greeks with these red-gold haired gods, including Zeus or Dyas Pater - the Jewish Jehovah, whose ancient symbol, shared with the sacred dynasty as a whole was - ironically - the swastika.
The early "Scythians", the people of the powers, occupied a region spanning The Balkans, Transylvania, Carpathia, the Ukraine and later, Siberia and Takla Makan where the Tocharians, as the Elves were mistakenly called by early linguists, spoke a ritual language which is now called Tocharian A but which originated in Thrace in 1800 BC and thus had connections with the Fir Bolg and consequently with the Tuadha d’Anu as a whole, who began migrating from Central Europe to Ireland at that period.
Over the centuries, from 5000 BC onwards, the Scythians had also migrated into the middle-east and had provided ruling families for many tribes and nations along and beyond the eastern Mediterranean coast.
In the ’Annals of Irish History’ the Scythian ’Tuadha d’Anu’ who had migrated farther still, to the islands of the north, were described as a tribe of deific queens, kings, princes and lords and were noted for having druids of their own. In Japan’s North islands there lives a shamanic tribe called the Ainu whose early writing style has been identified as being Gaelic Ogham!
As a noble tribe, a sect of the Aryan peoples who, during various migrations, had also wandered east several centuries before the d’Anu displacement and their reputed first journey to Eire in 1500 BC, the Aryan-Scythian horse lords, traveling south-east via Persia (Iran) from 1800 BC onwards, had entered the Indus Valley and intermingled with the Dravidian population.
This migration was to lands already formerly under Sumerian and consequently Ubaid control. The westward migration of the Scythians or Sidheans also included these very same Dravidians who, so British traditions state, were the messengers and summoners or ’fetches’ of the Merlins.
These curious and delightful beings were also known as brownies, for obvious reasons and adopted the habit of body tattooing in emulation of their Scythian lords, who in Britain and Ireland were known as the Pixies, which is a name derived from Pict-Sidhes or painted fairies.
The confusion which arises when the Picts are described as being short and brown may be clarified when we remember that the Scythian Caste System consisted of three closely interknit, co-operating races, whose traditions and practices would inevitably become, to a certain extent, common to all within the system by a natural process of social osmosis.
From this encounter arose the eastern branch of the Aryan, Vedic "Hindu" religion, with its druids or magi - the Brahmins - and a pantheon of gods who were virtually identical with the Sumerian, the Egyptian, the Hittite, The Irish, the Gaulish, the Danish and the Greek, all of which stem from this early family of Elven goddess-queens and god-kings whose first home was to be found in The Balkans, Transylvania, Carpathia and the Caucasus regions of Greater and Little Scythia.
Within the Brahmin caste special Tantric rites were and still are studied and practised. Evidence suggests that these ancient rites were brought to India from Sumeria. This accords with the assertion that Qabalah itself originated there also and the author has long maintained that Tantra, particularly the Kaula Vama Marg and Esoteric Qabalism are simply variations of each other. The Tree of Life symbol and its hidden meanings appears in Druidism and given the evidence to date, we can confidently say that Tantra and Qabalah are descended from ancient Ubaid Druidic philosophy.
The right hand path version of Hindu and Buddhist Tantra concerns itself with studying and practicing sexual rites that one might find associated with the Kama Sutra. This form of Tantra promotes penetrative intercourse as a method of changing consciousness and has attached to it various commentaries on right-living and right-thinking. This was thought by some Indian scholars to have originated with those who were depicted by one Indian scholar as the animistically minded, sex mad weasels, the Dravidians. The left hand path however is somewhat different.
This discipline can be found in both Hinduism and Buddhism and concerns itself with the practice of vampirism. This alone is sufficient evidence to allow one to ascertain that the ’Black’ or Left Hand or Kaula Path preceded the later right hand path which, though joyously tactile and self indulgent to begin with, appears many centuries later to have been somewhat sanitized for public consumption. The yogic disciplines associated with the Kaula Path, originating with the Scythians, are intended to lead the practitioner to what one might call ’union with godhead’.
This psychological condition is manifest in mystical christianity as being the perception by the devotee of ’the kingdom of heaven’. That few christians ever achieve such a state is not to be wondered at, as christianity is also a royal blood tradition, exactly like its brother and sister, Druidism and Witchcraft.
Many christians haven’t got a clue about this aspect of Jesus’ teaching and are in any case not encouraged to explore its possibilities because such union leads to physical and psychological freedom, the very last thing that the established churches wish to encourage in the masses, even though Jesus himself preached it.
Union with Godhead, dwelling in Elphame, realization of the Buddha or whatever one likes to call it is accompanied by a range of powers which were catalogued by the amazing Edwardian lady explorer Alexandra David Niel, who witnessed the performance of these remarkable powers or Siddhis by Buddhist monks in Nepal and Tibet, whose ritual and philosophy owed much to the indigenous religion Bon-Po which ethically followed the same path as Kaula Vama Marg.
In the west we call it magic but, as we have seen, it was also known as the Sidhe. Kaula Tantra is dedicated to the Goddess Kali who is associated with both creation and destruction in the Hindu pantheon. Kali is a lunar deity who, like Tantra itself, moved east from Sumeria. As a moon goddess she is associated particularly with moon blood and the essences of the female organs of generation.
So what can we say of the nascence of Vampirism so far? Principally that it originated, not surprisingly, in Transylvania and the Central Eurasian region known as Scythia and that its practitioners were of a distinct race, the Elves, the high goddess-queens and god-kings of the Arya or Aesir.
Vampirism was the central feature of a philosophy based on endocrinology, rather than occult mumbo-jumbo and used the consumption of female blood and mumae to enhance awareness and lead the practitioner to union with godhead.
The powers accompanying such an elevated state of consciousness were called the sidhe or siddhi and were, with vampirism, the foundation of the cults of Druidism, Tantric Kaula Yoga, Qabalism, Alchemy, Rosicrucianism and Witchcraft.
Kali, like all the Ubaid Deities was a flesh and blood being. She, Kalimaath or Kali Marg, was a daughter of Lilith and Samael, son of Anu, who appears in the Aryan pantheon as Ahura Mazda and in Iran as the Medean god Zoroaster. Anu himself was the god who gave his name to the Tuatha de Danaan and as Sitchin has suggested the definition of the word god itself is ’descended of Anu’.
Based on the spelling ’Tuatha de Danaan’, some have suggested that these Irish elven folk derived their name from an Irish mother goddess named Dana. If they had checked the earlier spelling - Tuadha d’Anu (Tribe of Anu) - they would have discovered that the Scythian Sidhe were the sons and daughters of Anu and the Ubaid gods and goddesses.
To recap then we have a clear connection between the words siddhi and sidhe both of which originate from a Scythian or earlier proto-Aryan-Ubaid root. The Scythians, as the Aryans of Persia and Asia provided the people then with their religious and social structures and mores and spread their wisdom and overlordship, mostly by invitation from prospective client tribes, throughout Britain and Europe.
The Scythian Aryans, as the ’Danaan’ settled in Eire and Scotland whilst in Wales they were known as the House of Don (Dan) or the House of Gwynnedd. This house sired the line of Llewelyn Princes, whilst in Scandinavia the Danaan became the Danes or Vikings and produced a junior cousin line - the Svei or Swedes - from which descended the Ruotsi clan who founded Russia. In Denmark the Sidhe was present as the Siddir, a class of seer or witch who were later separated from the Godthi or Gothi, the Danish Druids.
The Scythian Danaan in Eire, as in the rest of Europe, were a race apart, a ruling caste within which, like the original race of the Gods from whom they descended, there were further caste classifications.
In Denmark these were later named the Jarl, Carl and Thrall castes whilst in Eire they were broadly speaking the Druids, the Kings and the Warrior Smiths. In India they are still defined as the Brahmins, the Ksatriyas and the Sudras.
The original castes of the Gods were:
a) the common gods - gods of Earth
b) the gods of Heaven and Earth
c) the gods of Heaven
The first class were what we might call jobbing gods who became the genii locus or pagan spirits. The second class - the gods of Heaven and Earth - were the Titans, the Repha’im and Morrighans, the Angels and Valkyries who interceded between the transcended gods, the divine ancestors - the gods of Heaven - and man.
Heaven was the otherworld, not a place up in the stars, but a state of being which was adjacent to our own dimension - called sometimes the mirror-world, most competently described, more than once, in the Mabinogion - which could be freely entered and left by the gods of Heaven and Earth, the Portal Guardians. In this place, also known as Elphame, Hades, Hel, Caer Glas and Tir Na n’og there dwelt the essences of the previous gods of Heaven and Earth who had passed on to become the transcended ones, the ’antecessors’ or ancestors of the later witches.
By dwelling in tombs the gods of Heaven and Earth, the Danaan Queens and Kings, made contact with their ancestor Gods and passed their wisdom and edicts on to mankind. Today we might call this process invocation.
These gods are carried in the blood and by invocation, we bring their qualities and identities to the forefront of conscious being and give them voice. These druidic gods and goddesses of Heaven and Earth were effectively the highest overlords on Earth, the elven rulers of the human kings and queens who ruled beneath them.
Often we find mention of the fairy blood in the medieval era in connection with the ruling nobility of the time. We might then be tempted to come to the logical conclusion that all nobility and royalty was thus of Fairy origin. However this is simply not the case. Despite the usurpation of the original fairy families by the church sponsored new nobility, the previous kingly and noble dynasties were essentially human anyway.
The fairy blood at that time, the dark ages and the medieval period, was carried by the descendants of the Archdruidic dynasties who formerly ruled over the contemporary Celtic and Eurasian kings and lords, it was not carried by any or all of the royal or noble families of the time simply because they were the heads of their castes, because over such class distinctions were positioned additionally, the castes of the elven god-kings themselves.
The gods of Heaven and Earth - the Archdruidic caste - dwelt in Barrows and Bergs which in Eire were called Raths, meaning a ’royal seat’. These Raths were the holy shrines and sepulchres built by the Danaan - the original Gods of Ireland according to the ’Annals of Irish History’ - to house the mortal remains of their ancestors and act as royal palaces for the Portal Guardians. In specific cases these Gods are named, and we learn, for instance, that Newgrange was the shrine occupied by Nuadha and later Oengus.
The devotional and holy nature of these places has led some scholars and commentators to believe that, because they were tombs and temples, then those said to occupy them must be purely spiritual entities, gods of an ethereal nature. Originally nothing could have been farther from the truth. Both Nuadha and Oengus were kings of the Danaan and contemporary descriptions of them and their kin leave us with the picture of the Danaan as a race of people with prodigious and very earthly appetites.
From their kinsmen in Siberia we know that, by our dubious standards, they were complete junkies and imbibed any form of drug they could get hold of. These would have included cannabis and cocaine, prevalent in Egypt and the Levant at the time, as well as the drugs classically associated with the druids and the elves such as Amanita Muscaria and Psylocybin, the fairy mushrooms of children’s picture books everywhere.
The Danaan were hardened drinkers and unscrupulous womanizers, whilst accounts of their princesses relate that they often mated in public with the highest nobles of their clan, to prove or reiterate their social standing to onlookers. (Heroditus: The Histories).
Counterbalancing this view of them, born of our own hypocritical conditioning, the Danaan, whether in Eire or mainland Europe or Asia, were the finest smiths, jewellers, poets and musicians of their time, they were the Lords of fearless warriors and gifted horsemen and, despite what we might think of the foregoing, they were a righteous, meticulous people who maintained standards of conduct in areas of their social life where such standards were considered essential for the harmonious order of society.
Great emphasis was laid upon honesty and truth in one’s words and one’s dealings, the maintenance and conservation of the natural environment was paramount, and infractions, such as the cutting of trees, could mean death. Emphasis was also laid on hospitality and courtly behavior to one’s peers or guests, the honoring of one’s ancestors and heroes, and the maintenance of extended family ties through fostering.
They weren’t bothered about the petty morality we imbue our sexual behavior with but would kill a man for breaking his word or lying. They were an heroic people and, compared with us today, a far more moral race whose standards of conduct, not invested or centered on our kind of childish taboos - but placed where it matters - puts us to shame.
They were a race centered on their spirituality which itself was centered on gnosis and transcendent consciousness. This made them, like their later royal Viking cousins, a fearless people much loved and also much feared in turns, by all who knew them, whether in Eurasia or the British islands.
In about 500bc the Milesians entered Ireland from Iberia. Having defeated the Danaan tribes they put many of them to flight. It was during this period that the Danaan became known as the Daouine Sidhe - the people of the hills - an erroneous use of the word sidhe.
One group, the tribe of the Danaan king of Ulster, Bruidhne (mistakenly called Cruithne by the Romans), fled to Caledonia where they became known as the remnant of Cruithne or the ’Cruithainn’.
Other Danaan clans fled to Wales and the south west of mainland Britain. Several centuries later, when the Romans were unfortunate enough to encounter them in Scotland, they referred to these Danaan as ’Picts’ and it is this word that has adapted itself to become one of the names we use to describe the elven peoples - the pixies - or properly the Pict-Sidhes as we have already seen.
These being also came to be known as the Leprachauns and the etymology of this word, though thought to mean ’small-bodied’ actually means ’scaly-bodied’ from the Latin word lepra as in leprosy - scaly skinned.
The scaliness referred to was derived from the fish -scale style of armour which was common to the draconian Dacians, the Zmei, the Danes and the Danaan, all of whom originated in the region now known as Greater Scythia.
The scaly, twin-pronged tail of the wouivre or mermaid was also derived from the use, by grail maidens, of fish-scale plated leggings. When worn with the swan’s or raven’s feather cloaks, we have the classical image of the Harpie, reproduced in medieval depictions of Melusine.
Pict or Pictish means ’painted’ and the Danaan earned this appellation by virtue of their use of tattoos or woad to decorate their bodies with totemic or magical markings, the favorite being the labyrinth or spiral whorl.
The ancestors of the Irish Danaan - the Ubaid Danaan - had been using tattoos and woad since 4000 BC and examples of it can also be found in depictions of the Egyptian god Osiris or Asher as he is also known, and in the depictions of the Hindu gods Vishnu and Siva. Kali herself was also known as Kali Azura - the Blue Kali.
The spiral or whorl - the labyrinth - is the subject of a later essay in which it and its painted or carved symbol, lie at the centre of vampire and elven tradition. The spiral can be found carved into the rock at Newgrange in Ireland and also featured as a sacred design associated with the dwellings of the related Kassite Danaan clans who migrated to Britain.
In the Gaelic language we find two words specifically defining ’vampires’. The first - Creachaire - means a sepulchre, a tomb, a shrine and a temple, indicating that the character we later become familiar with as the "vampire" of Gothic legend was in fact a "dweller in the tombs", a druidic priest-king or priestess-queen - an Uber or Witch Overlord.
In Eurasia, particularly in the permafrost of Siberia and the arid wastes of Takla Makan in China, the mummified bodies of Scythian Chieftains and Shamankas or Priestess queens have been found. In Siberia the frozen remains of a male were unearthed. He had been tattooed with animal designs reminiscent of the totem Pictish salmon often found carved on stones in Scotland.
In the same region a shamanka had been unearthed who had been tattooed with the spiral labyrinth design. She, like her counterpart in Takla Makan, wore the conical headress of the Anunnaki gods of Sumeria that is also associated with medieval witchcraft. This same headress is depicted in bas-relief on the walls of the palace of Darius as being worn by those Scythians who brought him gifts in 500 BC.
The Takla Makan mummy, excavated by the Chinese in the 1960’s had red-gold hair and was buried adjacent to a cache of tartan plaid cloth and spiral painted pottery, similar to that found at Al’Ubaid in Syria. In the same region caves have been discovered where the walls are painted with devotional Buddhist pictures featuring the Tocharians, as they are known, conversing with Buddha.
Geoffrey Ashe states that the western Druids were interviewed by Buddha who claimed that they, the Druids, had established Shangri-La in the west. This should give the reader some hint as to the general thrust of druidic philosophy and of the hidden nature of that promoted by Jesus, whom St Columbus clearly stated was also a druid and magus himself."
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/dragons/esp_sociopol_dragoncourt02_01.htm
I believe they do exist. As for the hollywood vampires, I HAVE encountered one with super-strength, in fact I was engaged to him. No matter what I did when we wrestled and even when we fought, he was too fast and too strong and always countered me.
It all depends on what you believe, what you are ready to believe, and facts. I wasn't too open to the idea of a vampire with super strength or speed to exist, but I've been engaged to one, so I know at least one exists.
Psychic, sanguine, prana, and trantric vampires do exist. As for a sanguine vampire who requires blood to survive, I haven't heard of a case of that or seen one for myself. They may exist, who knows.
blood fantasy that is very interesting i think vampires with extra strong speed and stregnth do exist but i myself have never encountered one and me i am ready to belive every vampire story i hear but some out there are just hearsay.
but like you said you were engaged to one so that for me is enough evidence to support that.
personally i believe vampires in this day and age need those qualities to survive.
"i am ready to belive every vampire story i hear "
Well everyone has their own mind to work with but your approach is not very intelligent because taking people at their word and thinking that is evidence enough is a very silly thing to do.
Everyone is entitled to believe what they want but at the end of the day, if people are going to simply believe everything someone says then they ain't going to get far in life.
Maleficus & dabbler... excellent rejoiners, both. To quote Dr. Carl Sagan: "Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence."
What is so sad in today's world is that for greater and greater percentages of the masses, popular beliefs are accepted without question...while actual solid facts and evidences are ignored or, in the case of the truly brain-dead, ignorantly mocked (e.g., "NO LMAO!").
Calling someone a "vampire" is no different than calling someone a "christain", it merely identifies their social and spiritual status within a given culture.
The evident problem is that presence that declare themselves to be other than human.
A Vampire is a type of actual paranormal being in possession of singular powers and abilities ...not an ordinary Human claiming a social/spiritual status or ranking granted by popular community consensus or self-appointment.
And while we may differ greatly on what we think such defining characteristics are, yet history well bears out the fact that Vampires are unique personages of inherently extraordinary abilities.
I submit the following...
A baby knows how to deceive, they will cry and wait to see if someone comes, if no one does the baby will go back to crying. A 4 year old knows how to conceal or hide something from others. An 8 year old can use false flattery to get what they want or cover up what they've done.
By the time you are 16 one out of every ten interactions you have with your parents will have a falsehood in the conversation.
Statistics show that by the time you enter the world and begin to make a life for yourself that between the public, coworkers, and social media the average person is lied to any where between 20 and 200 times a day.
"Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence."
Very True.
Yet given the nature of our being it's amazing that anyone can believe in anything.
So what is real and what is fake??
Turns out even if someone isn't lieing to you what they say may not be the true still. Even the smartest of theoretical physicists will tell you that what you preserve with you 5 senses isn't real... and reality it's self is false.
Albert Einstein was once quoted as saying:
"Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one."
So if reality isn't real and we are cronic liars by nature where does anyone ever expect to get "truth" from on any tpoic??
Einstein did indeed state that, yes... However, he continued using his intellect to observe all he could and apply logic, mathematics and science (Scientific Method) to perceive as accurately as possible the reality around us. And, a we have learned since, so much of what he and others trained have proved well the test of time and the application of the principles they discovered and theorized in the real world.
He didn't, as has been suggested, conclude that it is impossible to discern fact from falsehood and simply...give up. He didn't cave to relying solely on belief or vainglorious desires to believe.
There is much that can be accurately concluded and extrapolated re: Vampires if we are willing to invest the effort to seek out the history, avoid jumping to self-serving conclusions and carefully employ logic and the Scientific Method to the hypotheses that develop...none of which forces us to rely on anyone's word.
Again... Agreed.
You should never just give up and since the odds are high that someone is lying to you, You should alway seek truth in all things.
My point was that whether you are a man of God or a man of science at the end of the day we're all just men.
Take a man of science and allow him to live in a haunted house for a long enough period of time and eventually they be convinced that ghosts are real. This opinion will never be based on science but personal experience. Most time these "experiences" can not be explained they simply are.
We call that Personal truth.
Do Vampires exist??
That will always depend on who you talk to and whether you find them believable... personal truth.
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Posting youtube videos is not disscussion. You can share the link, but don't post them. Anyone can do a search on a subject matter on youtube, we don't need them to be flooding the forums.
An entertaining bit of media fluff... but not very informative and almost without any actual scholarship. They correctly pointed out that Vampires were primarily scapegoats rather than attackers. If you had a bad harvest, got sick, experienced an unexplained fire or other calamity...a vampire was to blame.
They also correctly mentioned the 16th-Century corpses dug up with stones wedged in their mouths, which was thought to prevent someone from rising from the grave. However, the add on "...and biting someone" was utter fiction as this belief did not exist prior to the 18th Century re: vampires...and more to the point, we don't know why these persons were buried as they were. Were they considered witches, zombies, werewolves, or other mythological beings believed capable of rising from the grave? We don't know. Thus...we cannot say they were specifically considered vampires.
It was entertaining, though! :)
Yes i believe they do just not the way the books and movies put it to be just
Look at all of us on here in some kind of way we all think and feel that we are vampires, werewolf, warlocks, witches ect. So yes they do i mean yes we do
Identifying with a being or creature that we find we might share characteristics with,does not make those creatures real in the literal sense.
...well the misconception that I see, is that people are looking to find a prototype of those Vampires created by the Media or a book. Those Vampires don't exist. Vampires is just a word, using the similarity between a bat (who drink Blood) and a Human who also like to drink Blood. ...and because he/she like blood, now they are calling themselves: VAMPIRES. Those people will age and will die like you and I. They will not live forever and for sure, they do not have special power that will make them super Human. Is just a Normal activity, which for other, is just a Taboo.
"Yes i believe they do just not the way the books and movies put it to be just
Look at all of us on here in some kind of way we all think and feel that we are vampires, werewolf, warlocks, witches ect. So yes they do i mean yes we do"
Actually no, not all of us on here think we are vampires or werewolves and not all of us on here are on this site because of vampires, there could be many reasons.
You can believe in vampires if you want as we are all entitled to our beliefs and you may be on this site for vampires but not all of us are. Take me for example, I am here simply to find individuals as cruel and twisted as I am and those who share my goals for this world, sites like this one usually attract them them.
As I said before, many people like to believe in these things for comfort but taking it too far is not going to be healthy as people will never get what they truly want out of a fantasy.
I'm with Male, and Ocean on this one, the who "We believe it so it must be" fallacy is nearly as annoying as people who clique "..just not like in the movies.."
The concept of believing it to be true, so it must be true needs just one test.. BELIEVE you can fly, simply believe it.. Then Step off a roof top or high structure, see how far your belief makes it.
Well said dabbler, Belief and faith is all well and good but trying to test them is not always and not exactly a good idea. A worse case scenario is what dabs just said, actually I think something like that has actually happened before just can't remember where or when.
Anyway another common thing is those who claim to be vampires will not provide proof at all and if they claim they are not allowed by their so called covens and masters then why say it in the first place? Sometimes things like these are just done for attention.
A good idea for future posters here would be to give a reason for their beliefs in vampires, most posts are simply just saying "yeah they do" or "they are not like in the movies"
Depends of what you mean by Vampires and your own point of view?
vampires such as human/sang/psi we know exist. Vampires such as Dracula/true blood vamps/Lestat I seriously doubt it as today's technology would most likely detect something 'iffy'....or maybe they have and the government is hiding them lol
Actually, Twisted, we only know that Humans who drink a bit of blood every now and then and/or claim to be psi exist. That's a far cry from saying we know sang/psi Vampires exist.
Hi Upir,
Yes I can see your point. I was thinking about the people who claim to be psi or sang vampires on VR but as I said it depends on your own viewpoint:)
As a skeptic my first question to a person professing to be a vampire is thus"What supporting resources do you have to back your statement, and to date only one person has offered such a source.
"There are no facts, only interpretations." Friedrich Nietzsche
Therefore, we all see what "our" mind allows us to see and interpret within our limited and biased enculteration.
So you would agree that a working source would .. should suffice along with any profession of being a Vampire.
No, vampires are simply humans that practice witchcraft and use blood in their ceremonies.
And there are others who claim they do not exist at all.
Rant in... 3... 2... 1...
Ok look,We have a lot of people runing around talking about vampire who don't have a clue as to what a vampire is.
I have studied for over two decade in a martial art know as Aikido, and one of the first things you learn in this art is that you never show how a move is executed. The reason for this is to protect the integrity and effectiveness of the move and the art as a whole.
For this very reason alone "the protection and integrity of vampirism as whole" anyone who knows the truth about who and what we are wouldn't even share it with a close friend much less a forum full of strangers. What we (real vampires) believe ourselves to be and how we view our place in the world, is a matter we won't share.
Most organizations and religions has aspects of themselves which they don't share and aren't interested in proving to outsiders.
There are over 1 billion Christians that believe in who and what they are, and yet most have never been to the Vatican and most don't even know that the name Vatican refers to the pre-Christian God Vaticanus. The Vatican it's self is built on a massive grave yard dedicated to this Greco-Roman God. So the very heart of what the belive is named after something they don't believe in.
Fact is the Catholic church has more secrets out in the open that it has truths. This has Never stopped anyone from believing in their own personal connection to God. Nor has a lack of knowledge about what happens behind the curtain stopped anyone from believing what they feel coming from within them.
So the curtain of religion is fine but the veil requires definitive proof??
Sorry but your not going to get it in a forum.
So the only way you'll ever find out if what was written in the past is what is actually true, and if you're looking for that "proof"... then the only way to get it is to walk the path instead of questioning it.
That analogy only works, Severus, if being a Vampire is simply Humans learning a particular "path" ... such as you illustrated in your examples of learning a martial art or a religion.
However, if being a Vampire is to be inherently unique in the ways a Vampire is ... such as, for example, the ways a wolf is unique from other animals ... then no matter how much a Human calls himself such or how hard he tries to follow "a path" that he thinks will make him more wolf-like ... he's still a Human.
And anyone who hears him declaring himself a wolf is naturally going to ask for proof. Yet for the wolf claimant to then attempt to distract the request by talking about walking a "wolf" path rather than providing the requested evidence only reveals to all his own delusion.
As I have pointed out previously to alll who claim to be human Human Living Vampires (HLVs
... to be a Vampire (a defined by the sang/psi mythology you revere and seek so hard to emulate), you must first be ... dead!
According to that mythology, no Human has ever become a Vampire except he first have literally died. Thus, no philosophical/religious/metaphysical "path" gets you there...unlike with a martial art or a religion.
Thus, any such self-proclaimed Vampire will most certainly have, at the very least, a death certificate to provide as evidence. ;)
Also if a supposed vampire is saying they can't share info because it ruins the integrity and so on and so on then I say again, why bother saying you're a vampire in the first place?
That is exactly right Male.A spy doesnt tell you hes a spy.
yea, why open a can of worms, and bait hooks, if your not going to illustrate how much of a fisherman you are?
In response to the past few posts...
Firstly, there are some people who are still mystified by the martial arts and laugh it off making Bruce Lee like noises, or by attempting to sound Chinese. They do so to mock that which they fear and don't understand. Their disbelief in the power a human body can posses when it is educated, trained doesn't make the pain they are about to feel any less real. Doesn't make what I'm about to do any less effective either. Even if I stop and attempt to explain it to them... Although I'm not sure why I would attempt to explain myself to someone who openly challenging me.
If someone wanted to learn a martial art they would take the steps to make that happen. They place their faith and trust in an instructor to teach them these ways. They would work hard to over come the awkwardness a beginner goes threw and slowly they would begin to become more than what they where before the training. Their efforts will ultimately change their physical, mental, and spiritual status. No one including science has been able to explain a lot of the amazing things some people in the martial arts can do. Can't explain how a man can brake a base ball bat over his shin or catch an arrow in flight. By any other explanation than he is really special of gifted... And please feel free to note that this explanation (or lack of one) seems to work out just fine.
Secondly, if a martial arts instructor was passing out flyers at the local mall and trying to draw attention to Karate you wouldn't see people rushing up to challenge him. Asking him to kick someone's ass to prove what he knows is real. No one would say things like "why advertise what you are if your not going to prove it publicly", or "why open a can of worms if your not a fisherman."
He understands that these people are no different than the men who mock and goat him by attempting to sound Chinese... Thus he ignores their comments, as we Ignore your challenges.
This is veilied mockery the reason why when you ask for proof you never receive it.
You asked for proof... Iam for a second time telling you how to get it.
All you have to do is put your money where your mouth is. Stand up, walk the path of a vampire and you'll know... Don't and you'll never know, it's that simple.
Of course I imagine most of you will do what you've always done... Laugh it off, see say he has no proof either, turn down the offer and refuse to go behind the Veil for yourself.... you will make no investment in that which you claim to seek.
You will make a choice... one that causes you to remain a simple forum jumper.
Hey Sev,
A couple of things..
With all due respect
I trained in Kempo for many years,and dont really understand your analogy and context .I say this because, while some will make "fun" or mock martial arts,everyone pretty much knows if someone has trained in one ,they are pretty much going to kick some butt.People see its results all the time.And they know how those results were gotten..Hard work/training.
Most have seen the power of Chi.
Also,my sister was crypto in the Marines and the Army..For YEARS we didnt know what she did.We werent allowed contact with her or anything.
Well,now,20 something years later,she ends up at NSA,and we find out,all that time, she was a real,bonafied spook.
She had never said one single word.Nor did she ever indicate the nature of her status,because doing so would have put her in jepordy.And us too.
I have known people walking the vampire path and Ive got to tell you,from where I stand,they were nothing more than peeps who lived a certain lifestyle.
So really,until someone comes up with something to go on other than Upir with his historical evidence,scientific evidence and such,I have to believe that Vampires are either lifestylists,or as Upir suggests.
I apologise for the double post..VR is acting a bit boggy here this morning.
I also wanted to say Sev,that while you and some other feel they are being made fun of here,I think for the most part,that isnt true.People here have one thing in common..we want to know!
As far as vampires being paranormal..Upir,I have to disagree with you on this one.And this is mainly due to my personal belief that many ,if not most things people consider paranormal,are not paranormal at all.
If I read your post incorrectly this morning,please feel free to correct me on that.
Great entry, Oceanne, as always. And as regards the martial arts and, particularly, Bruce Lee, I have the greatest respect. His philosophy of "Jeet Kune Do" is a masterpiece of logic, inspiration and beauty. However, being a Vampire is about inherent nature (specific bloodline and its unique now-scientifically documented physiology)...not nurturre.
And, yes, that physiological uniqueness...as far as can be known to date... is actually paranormal. I used this term in its literal sense, not as used in pop-cultural circles. The term, itself, is not synonymous with "supernatural."
By definition, the term "paranormal" literally means "Beyond the range of normal experience or scientific explanation." And where natural male multiorgasmic response (ie, without having to interrupt orgasm with learned regulatory-control techniques) is concerned, science has indeed long concluded that such a capacity in the male is "physiologically impossible."
regulatory = ejaculatory (damn swype)
While this natural capacity commonly exists in females...it has only once been scientifically documented in a man. And then, once this was professionally published in a legit scientific peer-reviewed journal and was initially received with accolades and great professional interest in discovering its actual physiologic mechanisms...the true "powers that be" pulled the plug on prevented ant further research in this area. This ensures that... as has been the goal since first this key equality was introduced and enjoyed on this planet among males and females and normal men sought to demonize and, thereby, eradicate such... we will never know, much less enjoy, such full sensual/emotional/spiritual equality between the sexes, as was the gift brought to us anciently by the "Fallen" Angels and so violently and genocidally rejected, thereafter. And that ancient hatred and intolerance remains with us still. Hence the reason why this amazing male capacity remains as forbidden and scientifically unexplained ("paranormal") as always.
Thank you Upir.
To touch on something related to your research.. From what I have tenatively concluded ,according to your theories,women are naturally...vampires.If this is so,then it is common.Therefore,wouldnt it stand to reason that ,all women are "paranormal" ? And that the males who would be vampires,are rare .
I think that there will be many who would never accept this,because most men are not multi-orgasmic.
But my question to you is, would all females be considered vampires? Or is it only men who are multi orgasmic?
Yes I think they do but they never let a human being see them
Well I know some women have been considered a succubus but in folklore, the vampire and succubus was sometimes connected, in fact I may be wrong but is it said that if a werewolf died, it would come back as a vampire? A lot of these things share the same or similar sources.
Tv and hollywood have just simply magnified certain traits and changed things to appeal to the audiences. Nosferatu is the movie that started the sunlight issue and it evolved from there.
Vampires have gone from hideous walking corpses, to silent monsters and then to the gothic/emo depictions that is in some modern movies.
As Upir said, most claiming to be vampires and walking such paths are lifeforbiddenrs. No one is making fun of anything or anyone here and if one feels slighted, then its likely because they have biased feelings. Dabbler and oceanne said it quite nicely with the can of worms and spy speech.
I love how you sometimes ask questions already knowing the answers, doing so for the benefit of others, Oceanne. ;)
Of course, the answers are found in, or at the least already presumed by, the questions asked.
The fact that the term "paranormal" means something outside normal experience is what makes females...alll of whom possess the capacity for full unlimited multiorgasmic expression and, thus, "vampires" by definition... not paranormal.
The reason why the term was coined was to distinguish between normal males...who almost universally possess the same physiologic barrier preventing them from multiorgasmic expression and, thus, the ability to fully and equally commune with females...and those male descendants of the "Fallen" Angels who don't possess this barrier and are thus fully equal with females.
It was this natural equality that extends fully into the emotional and spiritual with females that has always so attracted females to this unique bloodline and that sparked the genocidal jealousy and enmity that caused this bloodline to be demonized and hunted ever since.
This extreme enmity and jealousy is what explains...everything. Why the Book of Genesis praises this bloodline (Genesis 6:1-4) yet shortly thereafter their slaughter is documented finally culminating in the Book of Enoch in its portrayal of these "renown"-ed descendants being called bloodthirsty giants. (Again...were they truly the fantastically and brutally bloodthirsty (literally) giants as depicted only thousands of years later...why were they able to be so apparently easily slaughtered?)
This likewise explains the deep abiding equal hatred found for women's own equally superior sensuality and sexual capacity. Not able to be equal with women, men had to put them down and turn their wonderfully superior sensual (and emotional/spiritual) capacity into an inferiority in the eyes of their male deity.
From the story of Man's Fall in the Garden of Eden and up to the present day, women are considered inferior for the very attributes for which they ought to be (and anciently were!) revered and honored as superior.
And ever since men demonized women, the world has become ever increasingly more and more bloodthirsty...because neither Vampires nor their female counterparts and companions have ever been bloodthirsty. Instead...it is Man who has always been so.
Sorry Upir, I fail to see how being multi-orgasmic makes one superior.
I also fail to see why anyone would care.
*Note...
I am just trying to understand the reasoning here.
I mean really, as much as men think about sex as it is, if they were multi-orgasmic, they would never get out of the bedroom and nothing would ever get done.
Women revered for being multi-orgasmic? Not by me. Sorry, but that's just foolishness.
Sorry for the double post.
Oceanne,
My lady, you have my respect already.
Thus nothing you could say would change that so there will never be the need to pace "with all do respect" before a comment. That having been said I am a bit disappointed that with you background you could see my meaning without seeing my point.
You said it yourself... "Most have seen the power of Chi."
Wikipedia lists Chi as:
In traditional Chinese culture, qì (also chi or ch'i) is an active principle forming part of any living thing. Qi is frequently translated as life energy, life force, or energy flow. Qi is the central underlying principle in traditional Chinese medicine and martial arts.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi
So the issue I have is that without any tangible scientific proof outside of your personal experience you believe that there is spiritual energy within the body. This energy flows within you and that this spiritual energy can be drawn upon by you at a moment of your need and choosing... but if I tell you that I have the ability to tap your energy and remove it from you at my choosing then I'm being unrealistic and proof of that is required.
Why??
Because Vampirism is the name I ascribe to this process??
There are many paranormal events. Many things about our vast universe are not yet understood. Species are still being discovered. Many mysteries remain unexplained. I guess that's part of the fun, the not knowing...
If most people are aware of the concept of Chi, Qi, Ka, Prana or pranic energy. If Chakras and energy centers are not a proven science either, yet they are also readily excepted. If the way or path to using and harnessing this internal spiritual energy is by training the mind body and spirit is a specific way... Also excepted as factual.
If Most people also agree that the most basic of definitions for vampirism is "one who feeds off of or removes the life force of another." And if I tell you that this ability is obtainable by following another way or path which is not any more Mystical or paranormal, it is just as real if you decide to commit to this path and way of life. Then why is it when I and those like me do make that statement we are labeled as either fakes, or we are simply living a life forbidden?? Why is it that what I say and know to be true is brushed off?? Dismissed as if what I do is a fashion statement or some type of ritualism run a muck.
Everyone who knows me know what I am and what I do. They know how passionately I work from within and from outside the vampire community. To bring a realistic and modern understanding of what real vampirism is.
I have and still am being tested, poked and prodded in the name of "science."
But that lack of due scientific consideration, the quick dismissal of a comments content and merit without any kind of validation process would be what I call "Veiled Mockery." It is the hallmark of an ego that is not attempting to find truth or proof... but an ego attempting to validate what it already believes.
Now I know that Oc, Upir, and a few others place no such ego into their responses but that is not always the case with others and it does a serious disservice to those that are searching for the truth... both scientificly and for those who are kindred souls.
Thank you Sev,I really appreciate that,and I feel the same.
Also,I hope you can forgive me,but I dont explain myself very well..especially a 5 am.
I really do understand now what you are meaning since you went on to explain a bit further,,but the way I see it,the whole psy thing would fall under empathy.
As opposed to vampireism.
Humans are matching and exchanging chi during ongoing interactions practically every minute of the day.ALL of us.
And there are many who can make us feel tired,simply by the way they act.
So I tend to lean towards the thought that someone who is psy,just a very empathetic person.
I think however,to explain further and to explain why I feel the way I do,I think I will wake up a little before I do.
Upir..I will have more questions for you too.:)Thank you for your explainations.
Oh..to answer the OP's question though..No,I dont feel that vampires exist without being detected.
TWD, I did not say women are superior. I said women possess sensual (and emotional/spiritual) superiority. There's a huge difference between the two. Men possess physical superiority in that men are naturally physically stronger. However, that does not make men appetite to women. It simply means that both genders possess traits that are more pronounced in one gender than the other.
The problem is...and always has been...that women's more advanced traits have been belittled by men, which has directly resulted in inestimable detriment to our entire species and the planet.
As for how this unlimited sensual capacity directly relates to greater emotional and spiritual capacity as well will have to wait until my next post.
appetite = superior
(how swype got appetite out of superior is beyond me!)
An explanation of how multiorgasmic capacity directly relates to greater emotional and spiritual capacity is far more subtle to explain and will likely not be understood except by those who possess such capacity. However, I shall try...
Anciently, the relationship between the sensual, the emotional and the spiritual was not only fully understood but was considered a given among all gender-equal cultures begun and governed by the Rephaim (direct descendants of the "Fallen" Angels) such as Sumer and Egypt... to name only two. For such, there was no spirituality without the sensual... no sensual without the spiritual. Today, we call this Sacred Sexuality. However for such advanced ancient cultures, one was not an adjective modifying the noun... but both terms were in fact reflections of the other, as two sides to the same coin.
In true spirituality, transcendance was accomplished through communion with the divine ... and such communion was best and most rewardingly achieved through communion with another on all planes: sensual, emotional, physical and spiritual. And only true sexual communion made this possible. However, such was not accomplished as we view sex today.
In today's male-dominated, wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am, one-orgasm-fits-all-and-then-time-to-move-on-to-some-other-form-of-instant-gratification view of sex, for these ancient civilizations founded on the principles taught them by the Rephaim... sexual/spiritual communion lasted for sometimes days on end, which permitted true intimacy and bonding with one another to a degree of transcendence and fulfillment on all levels such as we have not witnessed on this planet in perhaps many hundreds of years.
As a result of normal male-dominated sexuality, all of this has been lost due to the chasm of inequality that exists at the deepest levels of our beings separating us from one another and that perpetuates the "war of the sexes" that rages on beneath the surface, sparking constant strife, divorce and domestic violence and abuse between us... almost exclusively due to limited and stunted male development emotionally and spiritually.
Until such time as males are able to realize this and find a way to free themselves of the physiologic limitation that likewise directly limits their potentials in the emotional and spiritual... we, as a species, shall continue to descend into ever-increasing male-perpetuated violence and bloodshed.
I Oceane have to disagree,
Empathy has always been considered an esp (extra sensory perception) ability.
Being empathetic by definition means that an individual is capable recognizing the unspoken or unexpressed feelings that are being experienced by another person. Sensing the emotional state of those around you is in no way the same thing as removing the life force or spiritual energy of another living thing.
Which is the most basic definition of a vampire, one who feeds off of the life force of another living thing.
Yes we all have Pranic energy or Chi which lies deep within us, but the static energies you are talking about, the types we inner act with on a daily basis are not the same thing as true Spiritual energy.
Pranic energy when focused can do amazing things, both positive and destructive.
Here is a prime example of Pranic healing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3F3ovb2kZ9Q
Sev,Emapthy is something that all humans have and something which begins during the mother/child bonding.
But I do understand your point.
I cant go into detail in this post,since to do so would bring up things which are off topic.
I still feel that the energy exchange you speak of is empathetic rather than someone feeding off a "lifeforce".
We will just have to agree to disagree on that one.
Sev, I would also point out that the definition you provide is as Western pop culture defines the Vampire, which is a purely fictional depiction based on dime novels, to begin with, and culminating in today''s Hollywood portrayals. However, no where in the actual folklore of the Vampire's native homelands (Central/Eastern Europe and Russia) do we find him so defined or portrayed.
Now, if you seek only to talk about the Vampire as reinvented in fiction for Western audiences, then you are quite correct. However, to do so precludes you then attempting to portray yourself or anyone else in real life actually being a Vampire given that your definition refers exclusively to a fictional character.
Upir,
So what you are saying is that the context and guildlines of European folklore are to be our only point of allowable reference when it comes to what defines a vampire because this region and era coined the phrase we use to identify them with today??
If so then all prior forms of vampirism outside this region and time period from all over the globe and from every time period including those of the Incubus and Succubus legends are to be summarily dismissed? We are to take a position that the opinions of a highly superstitious, and religiously paranoid citizenry from the dark ages as the foundation of all Vampirism??
Those legends you speak of are the imagery that props up the "Fictional Characters" found in our modern Hollywood fantasies. The Psi vampire... the legends of the Incubus and other such spiritual energy feeders are the stories that we see going back thousands of years. They are not in anyway a "Modern pop culture" idea at all... They are the correct and Original versions.
Just because I use more modern or widely excepted terminology like Chi or pranic to make a point doesn't make what is stated a "new age" concept. That would be a grave misinterpretation of the content and would make what I have given you Worthless.
Dispite what you believe a vampire to be the reason I joined in this specific conversation was to give you a chance.
As I have said we don't really openly discuss such things. I have attempted to show you that research and study can bring you to the path but you must walk the path in order to truly understand us. The idea and principuls of what we are is something that must be absorbed inwardly in order to manifest within the spirit. Gone to outwardly in the form of study or worship is not active practice, and is false mastery.
In the end what's written on paper is something that is non-transferable to real life... Doing, living, and experiencing is a dynamic that must be undertaken.