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I have recently have several books and studies of multiple reality and manipulation fall into my lap. I also have some theories on the law of conservation of energy I wanted to discuss.




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Going to move this up to the right section- but you might want to start the discussion, ask some questions.

Will leave it open to see what happens.



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On the topic of the Law of conservation of Energy....

if we have astral bodies (in my belief we do) and those are made of energy..and energy cannot be destroyed or created that means in essence we are part of the source and that we don't die only lose are body....and in theory if we work with our astral form it would make death easier and thus take us closer to reality ..... or is this a bunch of dribble?



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Interesting indeed but as a vanguard of anarchy and chaos, controlling life and reality itself is something that I am strongly and violently against as it represents order and control.

Why make death easier? its part of the cycle of nature, its inevitable and comes in many forms. Astral projection is claimed to be one the abilities that gifted humans have and it sometimes supposedly occurs when they sleep and allows them to have an out of body experience.



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i understand the view.....
when manipulating reality I think we must understand the energy concept to life.....
there are universal patterns to observe and grasp.....
in most cases I believe we each have our own reality....
The physicist develops half his reality as he discovers it...
I want to find as many ways to bend reality as possible....
of course this will tie into thought form and what not.....
Mind over matter and we have to remember we are a part of the universal flow so either by manipulating reality we a disturbing the flow .....
or we are taking a step in our own evolution if this goes large scale (unlikely)



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We manipulate our realities every day with our thoughts,decisions and actions.
As far as Im concerned,its ...pretty normal.



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I don't think it would be any different in attempting to manipulating it.

Oceanne touched on a subject that I agree with- We all, in a way, choose our reality. We do so with every breathe. What we think, do, say, consume- we are choosing our realities through it.

If being able to control ones astral aspect of life- would it not be the same as choosing how we dream? I think it would, in a way, take the fun out of life.



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manipulation has existed and will exist for many years to come. Some people are clever as how to use the brain, of those who do not know how to use it. Cult, organized churches, political parties. they all have one thing in common: they love to exploit the abilities of others, so they can gain something in return.



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manipulating reality is a slippery slope, it invites one into delusional thoughts, when one buys there own wool sort to speak.



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It can be a slippery slope,yes Dabs I agree,but you dont have to get carried away mentally and slide down , simply because you can create your private Idaho in life for the most part...



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well...I agree...with both points...its normal (with our conscience thought s and what not) and it can bring about delusional thoughts..... but I think a main aspect is perspective.''we each have our own reality....how many people are there in the world...no two people have the same reality...um...I just woke up so I'm no sure if I'm explaining that correctly.....the people who I make dissensions around...family and what not...other people don't know they exist and I don't know if that person exist so I don't register in there reality and they don't register in mine.....If that makes sense I've never been good at explaining thing....



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Theory on the basic limiting principles of “clairvoyant” modes of being include the following…The reason why I am giving the clairvoyant basics is because I believe that it would apply to the true way things are processed I will give physical basics as soon as I can find support to my theories on them…
1. All objects and events are part of the fabric of the total of being and cannot be meaningfully separated from it. The most important aspect of any object or event is that it is a part of a total ONE and it is to be primarily considered under this aspect. Considering it under any other aspect. Considering it under any other aspect is an error.
2. Boundaries, edges, and borders do not exist. All things primarily are each other, since they a primarily one
3. This lack of boundaries applies to time also. Divisions of time, including divisions into past present and future are errors in illusion. Events do not “happen” or “occur”, they “are”
4. Since no object or event can be considered in itself without considering the all of space-time, the concepts of good and evil do not have meaning. Any application of them would automatically mean the application applies to the total context of being, to everything. The universe cannot be categorized in this way
5. All forces or situations in space-time, or places where the fields of activity are weak or strong, move with a dynamic harmony with each other. The very fact of the universe as a flow-process universe means it moves with harmony
6. One can only be fully in this mode when one has, if only for a moment, given up all wishes and desires for oneself (since the separate self does not exist) and for others (since they do not exist as separate) and just allows oneself to be and therefore be with and be one with the all of existence. TO attain this mode, one must—at least momentarily—give up doing and accept being. Any awareness of doing or of the wish to do disrupts this mode.
7. Valid information is not gained through the senses, but through a knowing of the oneness of the observer and the observed, specter and spectacle. Once this complete oneness is fully accepted, there is nothing that can prevent the flow of information between a thing and itself.
8. The senses give a false picture of reality. They show separation of objects and events in space and time. The more completely we understand reality, the less it resembles the picture given by our senses, by the sensory mode of being.
9. This is the only valid way to regard reality. All other ways are illusion.

These modes are apparently primarily adapted to dealing with processes that are completely out of our sensory range. They are not adapted to biological survival; one would not want to cross a busy highway while using them. Uniting with a truc is not good for u...bilogically speaking.....



THeory by Lawrence Leshan

As is this is a theory!!!!!




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Choosing one's own path (or reality as you call it) is all well and good and it is free will but trying to control life and world itself (global reality or just reality itself) is completely unacceptable and those who try will get what is coming to them....painfully. Unfortunately, it is what nearly all humans want to do, well the governments anyway and the good news about that, is that they will fail just like rome did and all the other "conquerors"

A definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.



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as I learned after a rather troublesome episode of depression that we can't control everything but we should control what we can of ourselves....I'm not saying that anyone should go about trying to control everything or the will of other people....like u said it doesn't work....but...um....to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction right? I'm just really bringing this subject up to see if this can be used on a small scale...idk...personal level...to take into consideration how complex our reality...my reality...your reality....really is....its not simple...and cannot be "controlled" or even entirely fathomed...but it helps to realize that the world does not revolve around ourselves but it flows to its own...beat?...I guess...I think to understand there is a flow helps us in a way....to "manipulate" our lives in a more....efficient and harmonious way...I'm not preaching delusion fantasies or government conspiracies...I'm simply bringing up the need to understand to....grow... (damn I sound corny T_T)



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Controlling your own life is one, trying to control the world is another. Free will is starting to become or is already, an illusion.



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agreed...people don't want to think for themselves and those who do (or want to) are almost always oppressed....



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I think people do want to think for themselves as free will is a natural right that is being crushed, but when someone tries to think for others, then it becomes oppression. I have no respect for those people. The world needs more hurricanes and natural disasters to remind them that this world does not belong to people.



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Zombie apocalypse would be fun, free run of the world or most of it anyway.

If I could manipulate reality to have it then I would consider it due to the freedom it will bring the world.



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Obviously we exist as a part of the "source" or in my religion, God. God made us and the universe therefore we are a part of "him"...in a manner of speaking. Energy is energy, nothing supernatural or esoteric about it.

From a strictly scientific perspective, what we perceive as reality is a mix of real-world events/things and an illusion our minds create to make sense of it all. If we look even deeper at quantum mechanics, we exist in the solid state we're in solely because others see us, and they exist because we see them. Furthermore, we are here because the universe is here and it's here because we're here. Basically, the "pressure" of the universe on itself makes it a reality and nothing you can do can fundamentally alter that.

As for manipulating reality. We can to a degree and as Oceanne said, we do it by making choices, actions etc.

There has been a school of thought for thousands of years that has taken many forms. Simplistically, it suggests if we can think, wish, want something hard enough it will happen. I see zero evidence of that and if it were true all of those "sages" would be ruling the world or would have had much better success at teaching it to millions of people. Instead, a good many of those people are in jail for embezzling funds and otherwise living high off the backs of the naive and simple minded.

If the "many worlds" theory (in physics) is a correct one then every action, thought, breath you take creates a new universe with its own reality. However, you can't exactly "will" something into being within the universe you live in....each action creates a new universe, separate from this one.

The "proof" and stories people tell of wishing for a good job and then *poof* they got one is nothing but a misunderstanding and a logical fallacy. If I live life with an eye to advancement, in a good mood etc, then chances are my life will be better. Not because of any mystical powers but because of simple human behavior. Basically, if you're in a good mood, your stress level goes down, you feel better, your judgement clears, and the odds of something good happening are increased bc you're better able to recognize it and people are more prone to helping those they like (i.e are in good moods).

Likewise, if I "wish" enough for money, health, or whatever then my brain is simply focusing more on those things and so when an opportunity arises I am more likely to see it and pay attention. It doesn't mean I made the opportunity happen.

To put it another way, it is little different than this scenario: If I think women drivers are horrible then my mind hyper focuses on events relating to poor drivers who happen to be women, all-the-while ignoring the countless examples of good women drivers. A self fulfilling prophecy mixed in a clouded perspective in other words.



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Indeed, as a Chaos follower, Actions and consequences, causes and effects is what I believe are what makes life keep going, stagnation is not the answer, evolution is. Affecting someone from making a choice is not a bad thing as it is natural and can't really be helped since its what happens all the time but trying to change the whole universe and reality itself is something I am strongly against (at least in terms of controlling it) the only way I would ever even think of considering it, is if it changes the world to a more primal setting where there is no rules and corrupt order.



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Kill the thread



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Per poster request- thread closed.



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