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I want to know what evey one in VR think about suicide..?...

A cowards way out. Totally disgraceful.

Even dispite my recent almost attempt.....

I still feel suicide is not the answer.....

No one is worth dying over,

no problem is too big,

and no pain is forever.


Stay strong and everything will be alright.

for some an easy way to escape, for others the only way out but all in all i agree with octavia, its cowardly

For me I always am thinking that I'm going to do it, but that's as far as I go...

I'm not mentally very strong so when things get overwhelming you can find me having a panic attack and wishing I was dead... wishing I could just end it..

Luckly for me, a few hours later you might find me playing checkers... *rolls eyes*

Been there, tried it, came out the other side. Its not worth it, it ruins your life to a degree that is worse than the situation your trying to escape. It certain cases it can be a cry for help, or it can be another form of release.
Its on of those things that you can't relate to unless you have actually been there and tried it yourself.
It may seem to the majority as the cowards way out, and disgracfeul, but people do it for a reason. That problem needs to be sorted, its no good insulting them and calling it stupid, people did that to me, it makes you more determined than ever.
Take it as it is, support them, help them, don't judge them, but most of all listen!

i agree that its a chicken way out of things. it is more worthy to go through and deal with the problems weither they be hard or easy, then to give up and punk out and end everything. I know that sometimes people think its the only solution to problems that they might be facing, but its letting the problems win when you decide to commit suicide. Why be the bitch in the situation?

One of my friend Lisa want to commited suicide over these 3 boys. I wrote her messenage that said I was sorry. These 3 boys were in car accident. I only pray that she all right.

Well as the saying goes "If you can't beat them join them"...
No one yet has beat death so if you wish to hurry the process be my guest just don't leave me the mess.

You can't just generalise that it's cowardly.
From my personal experience it can sometimes feel like the only option for the person considering it.

That's not to say it's recommended of course

Its something personal to me so gonna get a bit arsy.
+ You can't pass judgement on it unless you've been there+

I don't think suicide is weak...... Been there Not going back.... I hear some of you'll talking down about it Have you been there do you know what it feel's like? I don't think you should put people down for they had the ball's to do it would you if you wanted to leav this hell so bad?

There is no excuse to take your own life. Who are you to choose? You go when it's your time, not when you decide. Life is a gift, you shouldn't waste it no matter what the situation, and yes, I've been there before also, thats why I feel this way.
Killing yourself is like running away when times get tough instead of sticking them out and coming out a stronger person.
Thats just how I feel, no offense to anyone who thinks differently.

its a cry for help if you live and if you dont you are lost in a worse hell then when you left what you thought was hell

Well now I very much doubt that there are any suicides on the Rave unless they are dead on the keyboard.....

Ok, some people have single realy bad situations they believe they cannot escape, others have many more. I cannot say that suicide is a bad idea, because there is not a day that i dont realy contemplate the many ways possible.
It is always realy difficult to say no when there are so many lifelong problems i endure, will continue to endure.
I believe have done well so far so I dont believe it is cowardly, just a last last resort to the unthinkable, or impossible answers.

How do you know what is after this? How do you know you go some there else? For all you know the end is the end time stop's.......You eye nothing but blackness you don't think you just see.......

I guess some people think that whats after this life is better than thier current situation, but really it might be worse.

It's something that most people have thought about at least one point in their lives, but in the end it's not worth it. Everyone is in pain and everyone has problems. Think about all the people you'd hurt and the life that you'd miss out on. Things may seem fucked up while you're thinking about it, but things can always get better, you just have to let yourself let them.

i have tryed it..hell several times and thats how i have come to realise that its a chicken way to work things out..i didnt want to look at the alternatives or even admit that the reason to it was because i just sisnt want to except that i was weak and needed help..and you know all it gained it the end was? it made the other side gloat that they had so much power over me like that

i understand why people do it. but i could never bring myself to that point.

I don't agree with the "chicken's way out" thing. I think that could be one of many possibilities, but not a label to put on every time. If cancer is eating away my loved one, and he/she chose to stop the insesant suffering, then who the hell is anyone to go against that or label them. Also, the mind is a complex thing. When it is in imbalance, suicidal thoughts crop up and it's not always to escape. And what about those who have voices who encourage them to end their lives. People who believe it's just being weak must never have been in any of the situations; it's easy to generalize, but not as easy to be right.

From my personal experience (I've thought about it a few times) it would only let my enemies (sorry for the term, but I on some level consider them just that) win.



I would also understand why people would go through with it, but I highly don't recommend it.

I think about sucide alot but I eventually remeber that there is atleast one thing to live for.

suicide is nothing more than a blatent cry for attention

it only creates sorrow for others

Thats very true, it's selfish. The only people that get hurt are your family and loved ones.

well if we are talking about ending suffering because of an incureable disease then thats a whole different topic..that has to do with uthenasia (cant spell) i think the subject id suicide because of feeling its the only way to end problems

Besides, if you really want to commit suicide, stop talking about it and just do it. Obviously, if you tell everyone that you're suicidal, you aren't really, because you want someone to stop you. If you are truly suicidal, you just keep it to yourself and do it.

A suicide is no more than a merely way of thinking from does who rather than taking a chance at what they have they have come to understand so deep that everything would actually be of much help and beneficial for everyone and so for this way of behavior they have come to a decision by themselves of such action as suicide.

I have tried to kill myself a number of times, luckily I have some good friends and family that save my dumb ass. After the final attempt, I had this to say:
"It's so easy to just give up. It's a hell of a lot harder for the rest of us to keep on going. Fucking pansies."

wow...i can't believe all the people that have called it the "chicken " way out.....
i am lucky enough that i have never thought of it before.....
i could never do something like that to the ones i love....
the only one that i find that makes any sense is Hawk....
ther is some others that have good points but his is straight foward and seems to speak more the truth....
i know i have not felt to do suiside so i have no right commenting on it....but i don not believe it is just for attention or a chicken way out....
i hope anyone that does feel this way has someone to help them thru it.....
and if you don't please send me a message i will try to help.....

I've been to the doctors, counselors, psychiatrists, psychologists, and psychotherapists. I've read the literature and heard the stories. I know the facts, and I know the myths, and I also know the dogma. Everyone is so quick to say "It's a permanent solution to a temporary problem" to the point where the words are cliche, devoid of all meaning. What I know is that people who opt for this way out see no other. Their problems may be petty in our eyes, but in theirs these problems are insurmountable. We may be able to see the solutions that they cannot, and the sad truth is, we can't force them to see another way if they're not willing to. All I can say for those who have tried and succeeded, is this: "May the happiness they sought in life, find them in death."
This is not a case of "been there, done that" for me. This is a matter that I take to heart because I lost someone very special to me years ago. I saw the light at the end of the tunnel. She saw it too, but thought it was a train. I do miss her, and I guess I'll never fully understand why she did what I guess she felt she had to do. I've been there myself, and people do come to me every now and again seeking advice on the matter. I don't give it. Empty words are what psychiatrists are for. I listen, which is something psychiatrists don't do.

easy way out for them, hard for everyone else. Very selffish way to go out of the world, Very hard to understand why and also i will agree , cowardly. If you cant face the life you are living, change it, dont quit.

Michelle was not cowardly! Nor was she selfish or weak! She was caring and giving and the most selfless person I know! You didn't know her like I did! It's just a puzzle to me why she chose death, but I adamantly REFUSE to think of her as a coward for it!

no one is calling her a coward..im sure she felt that it was the only way to solve her problems as others before her have thought as well...

I'm sorry, knee-jerk reaction.

no need to be sorry, its a sore topic for alot of people

Yes Celestial, suicide is the ultimate selfish act: for fuck sake, we are not Nips. There are no exceptions, even David Kelly, who suicided because he could not publish the truth (and could not live with his Baha'i faith so compromised) was selfish.

I encourage it, actually. There are far too many sheeps around here, and we would be better off without them.

:)

i don't believe in suicide

I think i can see this one from a wholly different perspective... ok for reference...say you are oh i dunno dying,..what would your take be on suicide?
Well I can tell you what I know, and what I feel... every day i wake up... and i think to myself.. is today worth living, worth fighting for one more day? I think to myself.. after i take my meds I'll decide... I take my meds..I feel somewhat better... then i realize all the people who depend on me, and what would happen to them and how hard their otherwise normal lives would be if i ended mine prematurely.
Then I think that maybe i can do this... after all, the end is coming alot faster than i want it to... then i weigh the benefits of life... sure i have pain... pain so bad sometimes i can't see straight, or take a deep breath, but then i know that I am alive... and to live is pain in one form or another.. suicide... i have not decided if it's for me... but i do know I have lived long enough to know that the things that happen in your life that may make you sad... or hurt , the things that make you wish you were dead... these feelings will be replaced if you live long enough with other feelings.. that is after all what it means to be alive.... it means that you will experience many joys, and triumphs, and yes sadness and pain... but that is indeed life, and life is precious to those who have less of it than others.

Simply the worst and the most selfish thing one can do.

I've tried to kill myself a couple of times cause I thought it was the only option. Since then I have learnt there is always more options.
Sometimes life gets very bad but I guess you just have to find the light to ur destiny.
There have been times lately when I have wanted to die but I got through it by believing I have a life to live for and that is true.
I use to think I'd do everyone a favour by leaving but its the opposite. It would destroy everyone who cares about me.
I think now its a cowards way out and I tell myself so I dont think about it. I've hurt my friends and family enough and if I did kill myself, I'd make their pain forever, and I couldn't forgive ever if I did that.
If you feel like that, talk to a friend or someone you trust, it always helps ^_^

something im going to do soon :|

i think its a way that ppl feel at the time they do something wrong but i think if u keep on going then ull forgive urself so yeah

wow... I was all set to say something like" perminate solution to a temporary problem" ,(Which in some cases is true.) But as I read more replies and thought for a bit I also have to say that it totally depends on the situation. A adolescent ,with hormonal imballances , who just got dumped by her boyfriend of "a whole 7 months". Well, yeah...wasteful and maybe ,not necessarily selfish, but, maybe a little self centered.
But say you have a woman 60 some odd years old with a terminal illness there is absolutly no cure for. Now, say she is in full mental capasity, I'm not talking on life support to be alive(that's a whole different thread), but she is in constant agonising pain ,dispite the multitude of very expensive pills she has to take, and she knows that she will keep getting worse, and that she will be a shell of herself when the end finally comes. I think that woman has every right to gather with her family , say her good- byes and leave this plane with grace and dignity.

Bravo LoneFoxAndCub!!!

Most of you just labell these people cowards just because you weren't in this situation.It's easy to labell someone coward when you don't know in what situation this person is.Instead of labelling them help them!

I've been thinking of suicide since I was 9.I had my good reasons for doing so.For some months I've been gaining self- confidance again,after 11 years suicidal.Don't misunderstand me,am ot that type of girl who whines and do nothing,who harms helfelf for attention,or who says she's suicidal just to hear someone:no don't do it!

Am not that type.Even though am young I've had probs of all sorts,and lately unfortunately I became suicidal again.Am not saying this to get self pitied cause I hate it.But I hate it,when someone just labells another one as coward!

I don't think that a person who commits suicide is a coward,thank you.It depends on the situation and person!

I challenge all of you to have probs of all sorts with no one to support you!Instead you find people,even your family who yells at you and calls you useless and loser infront of everyone,than you tell me if you feel suicidal or not!

I don't want suicide as a solution,infact am struggling and doing all my best for not thinking about it,it's because I love life,that's why I think of suicide,cause my life was a disapointment,if I didn't love life,I wouldn't care,so no one has the right to call me chicken!

So to all the suicidals:Have courage,you're not alone,am like you,so it's not easy for me to say have courage either.So have courage,continue with life and give a lesson to everyone!

the way i look at situations is this:
there are people out there who have no limbs, who cant see, who have to use a machine to stay alive, who have been raped repeatally, who have been abused all of their life......and yet they go on with life and dont even concider ending it because of how bad things got or get....its those people whos life is the worse that it can get but keep on ticking that make me look at suicide as being a chickens way out of things...its those people who we should trade life with to see just how bad things can get and appriciate that our problems arnt at their worse!!!

Yeah but everyone reacts at life with its own way.What is good for me,is not for you and vice versa.

I am aware that am not the unique one with probs,and that there might be those who are in a worse situation than mine,but that's the way I react with life,and to have no one to support you,instead people get you more down,it's absolutely NOT easy at all.

nope its not, and i agree that we should be there to help those who need it..after all, its easy when you have someone to talk to that understand what you are going through

Life is not worth dying over

Great post, Beshadowedchild. But I'm with Octavia all the way.
I've tried it so many times that maby I hold a friggin record and I don't know..Now, I can tell you this: I look at the news and see the refugee camps in Sudan, how those people have nothing and still fight for their lives with no familly, no food, no future, but still, they face it, and even have time to smile at the cameras, and I feel ashamed I tryed to end my own life.
Here we are, talking about how life sucks behind our Pentium 4's, listening to our songs in our great stereos, with probably a refrigerator full with our favorite food waiting for us to open it..Maybe this sounds hypocritical, but when the thaught comes that life would be better if we just slash our rists and bleed to deth or take that O.D., think about how many people would give their right hand to have our "miserable lives".

Working in the emergency medical field I see this everyday. I also help people through this situation. 9 out of 10 people that call 911 when they have attempted suicide has tried to do it as a cry for help.
I have had people call me a few weeks later to thank me for saving their life when all I did was listen. They all have ranged in the age of 16 to 70 years old.
So yes as was mentioned above me it is not always a cowards way out it is asking for help.

Exactly and not selfish or weak either.Even suicidals fear death.I do even when am thinking about it.So still to commit suicide you have to have the balls.And am absolutely not selfish infact most of the troubles I've through were because I tought about the best for others rather than mine,but it is easy for people,in their nice chair,behind their expensive laptops and cup of cofee to judge suicidals,cause that's the easiest thing to do!

I reapet,don't get me wrong,am against suicide like the rest,but hate to see others judge them.

if someone says it's a coward thing to do...he is right.if someone else says it is an act of extreme courage..he is again right.in all cases,it depends on the person that commits it.some do it out of bravery and some because they are too afraid to face their problems.

If I was to judge any one for having suicidal tendencies or thaughts, I'd be judging my self first.
That's why I think like this. I don't have 1 big problem in my life, I have several, but that doesen't give me the right to kill my self. Everytime I think about how it would be to do it (again) I think about my mother's tears when I came out of the Hospital, the messages from my friends that knew what happened, and yes, it disturbs me. More than the problems that lead me to think about ending my life.
It's not the end of a problem for the one that does it, and it's the beggining of a nightmear for the ones that stay.
I'm not judging anyone. I'm stating my opinion after being there over and over again.
I understand, but I also know that I can't let my self go on those thaughts, because that will kill me; So I try to find reasons to live. And if I think of suciside every day, every day, I'll try to find one more reason to live.

It totally depends on circumstance and the person, so I am not going to generalise it as a whole.

However, I do think that there are a lot of other options, that we are sometimes too upset to think of.

suicide is for selfish Coward's (plain and simple)

In the end suicide is no more than one simple thing or shall I say a defect in which humans dont think more than what is in front of their two eyes. For such imprudence they have come with such solution.

in my humble opinion, suicide is the single most selfish act one person can commit.

NO matter how far down you are or bad you think your life is, there is always someone who lives for a glimpse of your face, the sound of your voice. There is always someone who is hoping if only for them you will continue to breathe for one more day.

I have spent most of my life, wishing it were over but I continue on becaue of the people I would hurt. They don't deserve that kind of treatment. Again that is my opinion

i agree with you cadamia..very well said..but i must admit..that when i was younger..i was going through some really bad moments in my life..and due to peer pressure i had such a very low self esteem..that once..i tried suicide.. fortunately enough i was saved by my friend at that exact moment.. only a few minutes later i came into my senses..and realised what a fool i was .. from then on i i started to face problems..instead of running from them... i`ll always be thankful for my friend ..cause if it weren`t for him..well i won`t be here right now..

and for those..of you who said it`s a coward`s way out..well it isn`t..i can assure you that when you` re really bad in life...you don`t start accepting anything..you don`t realise..what will going to happen... yiu start seeing everything black..and maybe the only way out that you find is just by finishing your life...
well i guess you have to be in a situation like it..to really know how it feels..
well i`m past through it now..hehe..and i understand that i might have been a fool..if i did it..but everyone has bad moments in life..doesn`t he?

But not all those who do,try or think of suicide are people who want to run away from thier probs.

I always try to find a solution for mine,most of them I solved themthe others have been with me since young age,but I can never solve them so this makes me to think of suicide,I feel no weak,coward or selfish for this.And when you have to face certain people everyday,and there's no way to live far away from them it's normal to think of it.

I find more cowards those who judge me,and I find more selfish those who know my situation and instead of helping me they put me more down,now how's the weak one?

I do not judge you, nor do I put you down and if I were in a position to I would help you. I know what it is like to have people call the sherriff on you for little or nothing because they think you are trash. People who never call or come by just to see h ow you are doing. I never said that thinking of suicide is selfish or cowardly, I said , imho, that going thru with it is.. now, you are free to have whatever opinion you wish to have.. this is mine and i will keep it thank you. If you have a differing opinion then state it and let it stand on it's own, not by attacking anyone but by merely stating it for others to read. no personal attacks are needed.

No am not attacking you Cadamia,am saying in general.

I was speaking about expirience,no one called me anything here,I was referring on what happened to me in real life.

I just wanted to show how it feels when you are called this and that,but not referring to you or anyone here.

its the cowards way out, you should deal with your problems or get someone else to help you, you do not have to suffer alone... then again i cannot really have much say considering i have been known to cut myself but i never wanted to die i just wanted the pain to stop lol if tht makes sense at all...

it does, it has recently found that there is a condition.. not looking down on anyone just saying.. that causes certain peoples bodies to release endorphans.. don't know how that is spelled.. when cut.. that makes you feel better.. it has been in the news lately

well alot of people cut themselves to make them feel better..might be then..

Yeah if you think about it,it's a wish to end pain not a wish for death,but *sighs* an escape not a solution.

yeps..must agree

I am glad about one thing from this thread, it got people to thinking and to talking. Suicide is not to be taken lightly. Thousands of people take that leap daily and we are all poorer in some way for their loss. i have lost people to suicide and if you think about it many of you have too. Remember how you felt to find them dead and not only that but by their own hand and please don't put another living soul thru that.

I remember when Blue Oyster Cult came out with don't fear the reaper. Teens were killing themselves left and right. Thinking they would be together forever on the other side. Well BOC couldn't back that up now any better than then. Keep breathing. Find a reason to stay above ground one more day and you will see that all things pass and what remains is only what you keep from it.

very well spoken cadamia

When I used to cut I never cut to die.. I cut because the mental stuff was too much, and the pain in the real world, the flesh, well that distracted me enough from my mind that I could function.

suicide isnt right its wrong on so many levels i dont see why someone would want to do that because dying doesnt help or get you out of any problems they cause more that way...

Suicide is never the answer. Every situation can be solved, nothing is impossible unless you make it to be impossible.

Life is extremely valuable, and people care about you wether you decide to believe it or not. Please reach out for help. Never act on your thoughts of suicide. Never. Suicide is never ever the answer.