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did u know there are chapters about vampires in the bible?....so that means they are real...cause the bible can't lie....what do u think about this?

unless you have a differant referance scripture, there is another thread about this and if that is the case, it is not a literal vampire

You cannot prove that the bible can't lie, so you cannot say for sure.

Recite some of these "chapters" for us would you?

The bible can't lie?
Prove it... if you can.

Just as South American indigenous people were chewing on coca leaves (cocaine) 1000s of years ago - Middle Easterners were doing the same thing with their native herbs- uncivilized, with no technology- lightning would strike in the sky and they would believe it to be a sign from God. Of course they were hallucinating back then- having no clues to nature. The Bible was written by mere mortals and much if it it poetry as well. So saying th Bible can't lie- realize much of it is what it is- written by a bunch of dudes, tellin' it the only way they knew how. You can't take much of it literally- if so, you won't be handing any babies to women on their periods because they are unclean, so they said.

-Theologian

Yes there are vampires in the Bible. The bible can tell lies but half of the story is true most of the time. I hate the bible but I have read it before. I dont believe half of that shit in there though.

I dont think the biblie is a lie in as much that things were lost in translation or just left out entirely. Myth or not, there are alot of theologians that say that cain was a vampire whom took off with adams first wife lillith. Women were not thought of very well in those times and are barely mentioned in the bible. Just look at Mary, she isnt mentioned all that much at all.

the bible is a lie is a worshiping thing some one cam up withe and started thare so called relegion and is a totle frod thare is no relly proof of eney of the things that were sead in it tru is a bunch of stuff some people sead and then put it in one big book and then started to fallow what thay were saying

i didn't know there are versus about vampyres in the bible. I do believe in vampiyres, but not because the bible says so.

do not christ say to the apostles, take this all of you and drink from it for this is my blood.
now does that not sound like something a vampyre would say?

It's funny how people can bash the Bible's validity without even knowing where the errors or contradictions are themselves. I, for one, hold the Bible as sacred scripture. I have researched it's history and contents exhaustively for over 15 years. Choose your own beliefs and disagree with others as you desire. However respect the author of this thread's beliefs and choice of wording. You embrace your path and expect your choice to be understood.....so does this person. I believe the Bible, I worship GOD and I am Vampire. There IS unity in each and one which I will discuss in detail in another thread.

I respect you Dom- I hope you know that. The main keys of the Bible are very valid truths- but some of it very outdated. The Bible is my study- it's what I do. We would all be too arrogant to believe it contained no wisdom. It absolutely does. But much of it again we have to realize were words from people uneducated in simple science, and I believe much of their 'miracles' were just that.

I treat the Bible as our oldest history book. For me, I believe in certain portions moreso- I am far too liberal to take it all as my complete rules for life. It is my favorite book however-

I don't believe vampires are in the Bible at all- at least- not as anyone knows of them today- show it to me, I have never read it.

I guess I just would like to know where 'articwolfdemon' heard this information- and give us the exacts. Was this something you heard one the grapevine? Or is this maybe your interpretation of something you read???

Everyone does have an interpretation- that's how we have all these Judeo-Christian religions in the world, different translations. And I do respect that each of us has our own perception- and that perception is our reality.

'on* the grapevine' ...sp

the bible was written by man who supposedly heard it form god...yet man can and does lie often...so there is no true way to say the bible isn't lying.

Let me come back and say that if my comments have offended anyone here- I apologize.

I usually try to talk about all religious subjects in an unbiased manner- because I do respect all of them. I guess I felt a little too comfy here for a bit and let a bit more out than I should have. I am really close to the Bible- my nose is in it daily, so I have strong views.

We should be allowed to speak freely but this is a touchy subject- and I think I totally got out of character here.

Still- quite curious of where the vampires are hiding in the Bible- please, let us know.

who says the bible cant lie?????????????

People that believe in the Bible. It is their right.

Much of what is "outdated" in the Bible comes from the Old Testament. A lot of the OT ceremonial law was done away with when Christ came as a fulfilment of OT prophesy. In the New Testament, the church reflected their ministry within the culture of their particular period. The principles taught are however timeless and relevant to the needs of today's society. I understand that many people will never be able to accept these beliefs, but know that I am respectful of everyone's right to choose their own paths. Those who know me can vouch that I never look down on anyone with differing views. I will say that even with my beliefs in the Bible, I admit that I have a lot of negative feelings about the modern church. I read my Bible and worship God, but I may never set foot in another church again. That's a whole different discussion, though. ;) Our diversity is our beauty and freedom.

I attent a catholic school and am therefore raised with catholis beliefs....but I don't always agree with them...and if I ever brought up vampires to anyone of the teachers at my school I would be laughed at. But there are some things in the bible that could have more than one meaning...so it's all up to the way the person reads it. Could there be vampires in the bible? Yes there could. Could it mean something else?Yes it could. There is no way of telling unless you were there when the bible was written...so I guess none of us will actually know what the bible is referring to...we all just have our own thoughts and ideas.
And yes I do think that there is a great possibility that the bible could be talking about vampires in some instances.

You never know maybe someone was on to something when they wrote Dracula 2000. If you didn't see it, they had the theory that Judas was the first Vampyre. I know it's holywood, but sometimes buried beneath their bullshit there are some pretty sound theories.

imagesinwords, in response to your thread, i have noticed that the bible it's self may be overdated, but the lesons are never out dated. it all applies to everyday life today. another thing in response to others, the man who claims to be god saying drink my blood, i don't think would be a vampire. honestly listen to urselves. god=vampire...no. along with dom i worship God. but my post isn't trying to pursuade. and another point when someone said the bible is a lie and there is no way to prove it is true, things about the bible (in the bible stories) are being proved true by recient descoveries. just read the news. ;)

also i forgot a few things. the bible is the word of God, i know that a hebrew word for the bible literally translated means God breathed. also, one last thing for all you who think the bible isn't to be taken literally, ur wrong. it is meant to be taken literally down to the last word. look at some of the descriptions in one of my favorite books, revelations. very literal descriptions of demons.

sorry, ur probably tired of me by now, however i have one more thing to leave you with, sorry if i offend anyone with this. for all you who say the bible is lying.

try proving the bible wrong. it's been atempted by many people i believe it's safe to say, but the bible has never been proved false yet, except by those who say ur truth is not my truth because they can't accept it.

once again, i am extreamly sorry if this offends any one, but just try proving it wrong with valid evidence.

Thankyou for rescuing this thread DomAngelus, and making a valid point, that if you dont have the knowledge of a subject then why make an ass of yourself in public?!!

I'm sure this thread will be watched over the next while by the moderators of VR, so do please make valued input only. Thanks ~Em~

bloodlustingeyes- this is not my thread.

My initial post here was in relation to the subject, I don't think there are vampires in the Bible, the way we understand them today- and I believe I felt a little to 'at home' here to explain why. I should not have given my personal view, I can see that now- it is never allowed when it disagrees with the Bible.

I do however know what I am talking about, I am majoring in Theology and I am just another mere human with opinions, my country allows them legally even if people hate them. I have already apologized to everyone if my first post was offensive.

I hope it is obvious that I do respect the Bible because it is my chosen life study~ but I have my personal views. It seems differing views are never accepted. I am not so judgemental of people. Judeo-Christianity is not my only study, I study all religions. I don't believe that my way is the only way. And I don't try to convert people to my understandings- not even my son. This was not the place to be 'me'. But I can't delete the post, and I can't erase it from the minds of those who read it.

So back to the subject- if you are referring to maybe Lilith in the book of Isaiah- that is still just a Hebrew interpretation. And she is a worn out forum topic.

I don't mean that the Hebrew interpretation is that Lilith was a vampire- but a night demon.

mmh i donno

Like GPSF12 and from which bible and from which text?

And like Cadamia I believe that they're not literally.

I've only read one but as far as I know there are two references. And I find it ironic that the book that says evil is the greatest wrong speaks so freely of vampires in it's texts.

Well, tell us where this reference is.

The Bible speaks of many evil things as well as an entire book of erotica with the Song of Solomon. It has to speak of evil in order to educate about it. How would people know what sin was if it was not specified? Right?

People shouldn't be surprised of anything in the Bible. It is the authoritative record of the relationship between God, the world and humankind. There has to specifics in it. Much of it is not for children's viewing at all- it is full of fear as well as love. The best-selling book of all times.

Christ is the original vampire in the bible sense...which would make him the oldest as well...the almighty elder of vamps.....lol

im with GPSF12 on this, it remains to be seen whether the bible is true or a lie. i have my opinion on that but its a sensitive subject

The majority of this thread has gone entirely off-topic.

A good bit of the rest is unbacked claims.

But, I'm going to attempt to give people the benefit of the doubt for once.

Those of you supporting the claim of vampires in the bible have until I get home from dinner this evening to have scripture references to what you are discussing, else this will be closed.

Some of you have made intelligent, educated posts to this thread. But for the most part, it's still going nowhere.

Proverbs 30;14

There is a generation whose teeth are as swords, and their jaw teeth as knives to devour the poor from off the earth, and the needy from among men.

I decided to help you out articsnowwolf.

But only because I wanted to say that the church has been very selective in what gospels were allowed into the bible and which were ordered destroyed.

I saw some thing on the discovery channel today where some of the excluded gospels showed Mary Magdaline as an aposal not a prostitute. So who knows what it may have said once.

u canot prove the bible is true unless u r as old as it your self

there are differnt meanings to the word vampire not all mean blood sucking creatures

this is the best unreal vampire post i have read very good indeed

Well you could say George Washington wasn't the first President because none of us were there to see it ourselves- but we do have history books that say so- just as we have the Bible. That's not a very good argument, friend.

The verse in Proverbs does sound like it could be taken as reference to vampires- but this will always be up to interpretation. Here is more of Proverbs 30 so those who would like to can see the context of it~ If you want to believe it is about vampires, that's what you will believe, others will have a different view.

I am glad someone at least brought this verse up. I have never thought of it as the Bible mentioning vampires however. But that is just my opinion.

7 "Two things I ask of you, O LORD;
do not refuse me before I die:

8 Keep falsehood and lies far from me;
give me neither poverty nor riches,
but give me only my daily bread.

9 Otherwise, I may have too much and disown you
and say, 'Who is the LORD ?'
Or I may become poor and steal,
and so dishonor the name of my God.

10 "Do not slander a servant to his master,
or he will curse you, and you will pay for it.

11 "There are those who curse their fathers
and do not bless their mothers;

12 those who are pure in their own eyes
and yet are not cleansed of their filth;

13 those whose eyes are ever so haughty,
whose glances are so disdainful;

14 those whose teeth are swords
and whose jaws are set with knives
to devour the poor from the earth,
the needy from among mankind.

15 "The leech has two daughters.
'Give! Give!' they cry.
"There are three things that are never satisfied,
four that never say, 'Enough!'

I for one have read every single word of several bibles. Including the Books that are not in the well known one. There is not too many people that can make that claim. Even Priests!
There is no vampires in the Bible.
I will not even say I'm sorry but - for I am not. If you wish to talk 'evil' then please do so correctly.

During those times, it was generally believed (although again incorrectly) that "Demons" were the cause of much harm. Either demons were fallen human souls or fallen angels, that belief differ but they are no vamps in the bible.

VAMPIRES ACCORDING TO ENOCH

A logical basis for a "biblical" existence of vampires can be found in the apocryphal Book of Enoch. The Book of Enoch picks up from Genesis chapter 1, verses 1-4.

The Book of Enoch reveals that vampires could have originated from the offspring of the union between the Watchers (Fallen Angels) and human women. When the Children of the Watchers had consumed all of the food available, they turned to mankind and began to eat their flesh and drink their blood.

Books that were deliberately left out from the bible are called APOCRYPHA. Only chosen priesthood and initiates had access to it. The "Book of Enoch" was declared apocryphal, and like the Book of Seth, and other ancient manuscripts, was denied entrance into the "approved" version of the original Bible by the NiceneCouncil of 325 A.D. In the canonization criteria, God and his salvation message have to be the central theme. The Book of Enoch mainly emphasized upon the Fallen Watchers and their judgements.

In this book Enoch, son of Jared, speaks of the angels called "Watchers" appointed to protect human kind.
However, while watching over human beings, they lusted after the beautiful earthly women, and decided to abandon heaven, and join them on Earth and live with them. From this union they had children. These Fallen Angels taught their women and children magic and other skills, previously unknown to humans.
But...These children were not exactly human. As you can see in these quotes from "The Book of Enoch" .

Chapter 7

13 When they turned themselves against men, in order to devour them;
14 And began to injure birds, beasts, reptiles, and fishes, to eat their flesh one after another, and to drink their blood.

Chapter 10

10 (excerpted) for length of days shall they not have. And no request that they (i.e. their fathers) make of thee shall be granted unto their fathers on their behalf; for they hope to live an eternal life, and
11 that each one of them will live five hundred years.....

13 To Gabriel also the Lord said, Go to the biters, to the reprobates, to the children of fornication; and destroy the children of fornication, the offspring of the Watchers, from among men; bring them forth, and excite them one against another. Let them perish by mutual slaughter; for length of days shall not be theirs.

Chapter 15

10 They shall cause lamentation. No food shall they eat; and they shall be thirsty; they shall be concealed, and shall rise up against the sons of men, and against women; for they come forth during the days of slaughter and destruction.

vampires in the bible? i'll have to read the whole thing...but i'll have to find ym glasses then

The Book of Enoch was actually in the Bible at time and then later removed, then lost for a while. It is mostly fiction but, and I do mean but, was very popular during the the time of JC. It is said that he read the many times because it explained the kindome the best, at that time. He even got his title from that book, that he himself picked, "the som of man.' It is the only title that he used for himself.

As for the quotes that mentioned, they pertain to the 'giants' that where living at the time - not vampires. The giant that David fought was to believed to be one.

also, the people that wrote the bibble can lie...tho they might have thought it was real...u kno...insanity...?

also, the people that wrote the bibble can lie...tho they might have thought it was real...u kno...insanity...?

they could have been insane

Well, one of the big problems in doing research is to keep an open mind when doing so.

If you are looking for lets say vampires, you will find them. Doesn't matter what source you look in. Your mind already has vampires on it, it just needs to justify itself. It's a major hangup with research work, reseach poles too.

Being as noone has presented scripture that mentions vampires, nor anything that can be interpreted as vampires without taking things out of context or stretching the imagination beyond a reasonable degree, I'm closing this.