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Theres this thing called life right?;The opposite is death. What if we are the opposite side and the death side is the true life. We all go through life day in and day out. Using touch feeling seeing sensation smelling. what if the opposite is a more profound side where none of that matters is but that you are there in the collective. one big thought?. the sensations we feel are nothing to those who have had those near death experiences and experience the awe of that collective. they them selve need not fear the other side because they have been in this metaphysical place. Any thoughts?

That has the marks of Solipsism to it.

it would if i hadnt meantioned one big collective thought...such as a psychic collective where a large group of ppl with one thought can change enviromental circumstances. A adaptive gaia collective or hypothesis so to speak.

solipsism is the mind thinking that there is one mind and nothing exists along with no other minds exists in the outer world. i am speaking that when we die our minds actually join other minds from past present and future accumulate in to a collective and thats what the otherside is like universal knowlege so to speak

Yea "One" consciousness thinking its self.

And thats not what im saying at all. what im saying is collective more than one conscious brought together to the origin where it was made and being educated among other consciouses and essentially being recreated so it is linked to everything inside and outside of the box

Take the internet. The internet is made up of millions upon millions of computers working together. im agine one computer is the human brain. it is linked to others. when you access tge internet it draws up the knowlege the othe pc has but it it still a seperate entity while doing so. and in reverse sharing back that is what i mean by what the other side will be like

Then in that case I must simply say, in all respect Too Deep.

As for some direct telepathic or psychic connection between some or all minds, it is interesting speculation.

Actually, birth is the opposite of death. Life has no opposite.

Just sayin'.

But will we truely know it is...Im paraphrasing with this part...doesnt the bible say we go home? so how do we know what true life or death is.

Death is Life extinguished, when the chemical reaction that sustains function fails to do so, the meat that is the body is no longer animated. We are the sum total of that chemical reaction in our bodies.

I know what death is and its where the body has lack of perfusion and the cells starve. i am not talking of physical death. i am talking about my original topic

The bible, and all other texts like it are just collected speculation with no substantial support for their claims, or conclusions. They are nothing but feel good stories for the masses, that draw "best case scenarios" that attempt to satisfy the anxiety of people who fear death.

the bible was written by somebody. literature teaches us that all things even fiction has some truth. some supported claims including a brain surgeon hss hsd almost the same near death experiences. the brain surgeon even wrote a book about it

and centrifuge training in the Air Force also produces results like "NDE" in Pilots.

And the Bible is a work of Literature that has all the same hallmarks of tales spoken previous to the bibles existence the only thing that changes is the culture, and names of the characters.

You are speaking of a legend and all legends have some truth to them

The only "truth" to the bible is myth. Besides how did any of that fit with your threads original material. which I must still conclude is far reaching to say the least.

I know what you are speaking of, or the general thought of it. "Christ consciousness" or the Flower of Life, the web of all life and existence..

When people die, some believe that they will either ascend to the Whole or come back to try again as many times as it takes to fully get it.

The brain surgeon thad had the near death experience now believes in the bible. I wouldnt say the bible is myth when they have made many discoveries that coincide with it...the great flood. sodom n gomora etc. i do not believe and christ as son of god and never will. he may of been a person ya thats probably true. but son of god no.
what i speak of is the other side. the oerson passes goes to a plane of existance that is not here. .aka heven, valhalla or what have you. but when you get there what happens. Are you in the mythical heaven where everything is beautiful and god is cherrished or are you on this plane a type of astral plane where knowledge of everything is and knowledge is the plane. you may have an option to return idk. but knowledge is shared just by being there. not one concious but many trillion upon more that make the rules of the universe that are the guardian angels so to speak that are the ascended for example stargates ascended thet can tap in to knowledge just by thinking about it. that thats where the perverbial soul is sent. yes there is what may be a soul they have proven in an experiment where they placed this man dying of course on a scale that weighs down to the smallest percentage of a gram which the mans weight slightly dropped like idk an example like .000000000000045 grams. what i want to figure out where that soul goes is it I ike how i think or is it more like poof. i want to start a think tank on this

All very interesting. But this all seems to be a "what if" type of speculation, and we can dream or imagine alll sorts of scenarios without end. Good evidence is often much harder to come by.

What if I'm just a "brain in a vat" in some lab somewhere, and all my 'reality' is induced with drugs or some fancy machine? How would I know? Or: The ONE is the MANY, and the MANY is the ONE! Ok, but how do I know that's true?

I suppose in any investigation, a lot depends on what you consider to be good evidence.

If someone says, "I experienced nirvana, cosmic consciousness, and everything is connected, everything really is ONE!" is THAT good evidence for the truth?

it would if i hadnt meantioned one big collective thought...such as a psychic collective where a large group of ppl with one thought can change enviromental circumstances. A adaptive gaia collective or hypothesis so to speak.

As to the "weight of the soul," I presume you are referring to the widely publicized tests conducted by Dr. Duncan McDougall of Haverhill, Massachussets in 1907.

Sorry, but it was sloppy science, to say the least. Subsequent test have all failed to substantiate McDougall's claims. No credible scientists accept McDougall's findings.

See also, Does the Soul Weigh 21 Grams?

I might also add that when I changed my diet, I lost almost fifty pounds, so would that weight loss prove I lost my soul?


And if soul's are not material things, then how do they weigh anything anyways?

What you pose is a metaphysical idea I have been hearing people talk about for at least 35 years in the Spiritualist community. No one knows, it is just an idea. If I go by research Robert Monroe did then the so-called other side is a place of thought. Every anecdotal thing I have read says it is something with thought and our little piece of energy we call us, as to what we experience. If we are still too caught up with the physical, that is how we will see ourselves. Sensory observation is not necessarily done by sensory organs. An example would be language problems. At first people think it is hearing but find out in some cases it is a language processing problem of the brain. The brain doesn't usually die upon what we call death for a couple of minutes. Now they are using a technique to contact people in comas. Some do respond and this is playing a factor in the decision to unhook people from life support or not in various places...high tech ones.

There seems to be some subtle difference between what some call the multiverse and the planes of existence, such as the astral plane, etc. It's not the same thing. Now the reason one experiences sensory in the NDE or OBE may be because of the fact that one is not actually dead by physical standards.


In some belief systems all knowledge is the Akashic Records. We called it the LIbrary. Some might call that "God". Whether we are the other side of the coin in all reality is a matter of perspective. Some believe we are in more or less a dream state and when we do dream it is of the otherside wherever that might be. If it exists it isn't up or down but in my opinion another complete dimension we cannot enter in physical form normally. As for what the Bible says, I leave religion out of any of this. There are so many beliefs aside from that, that it gets too complicated and it also gets heated in relationship to any topic. I really don't know if science is an aid to figuring out anything because most of it deals with the concrete and what we can see. Beliefs are just that and are not facts. I don't know if what some want to know is actually measurable by any physical means.

thank you very much it was what i was looking for. but what are you personal thoughts on this it relates to the "ascended" so to speak. do you think its true or do you have any other ideas or plans so to speak for the other side.

they if energy is made up of atoms then they have a relative mass or weight so to speak. to answer question above.

A general definition of physical is this: a tangible and visible entity; an entity that can cast a shadow.

This is something our senses can identify with. If it is at a higher frequency then we cannot relate to it because it defies are senses. Quite frankly I suspect all of this is mixed together rather than being on sides. We just aren't aware of it. I believe and mind you I said believe and not know or have any scientific facts but that at the point of death whatever that may be our frequency rises beyond the level of where most humans can perceive with their normal senses and we enter what we think of as non physical realities.

There is a good movie about interconnectedness based on a book by a scientist.

"Mindwalk is a 1990 feature film directed by Bernt Amadeus Capra, based on his own short story, based in turn on the book The Turning Point by his brother Fritjof Capra, the author of the book The Tao of Physics.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mindwalk

Capra is the author of several books, including The Tao of Physics (1975), The Turning Point (1982), Uncommon Wisdom (1988), The Web of Life (1996), and The Hidden Connections (2002).

Capra pushes for western society to abandon conventional linear thought and the mechanistic views of Descartes. Critiquing the reductionistic Cartesian view that everything can be studied in parts to understand the whole, Capra encourages his readers to take a holistic approach. In The Web of Life, Capra focuses on the systemic information generated by the relationships among all the parts as a significant additional factor in the character of the whole, emphasizing the web-like structure of all systems and thus the interconnectedness of all parts."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritjof_Capra

Oh, I am answering for Sinistra who is another me :)

the weighing 21 grams and the scientist that did that research 100 years ago is not what im reffering to i am referring to the recent experiments what were on one of the doc channels i cant remember the nsme or which channel i do remember that they used an extremely precise scale that nasa built.

the weighing 21 grams and the scientist that did that research 100 years ago is not what im reffering to i am referring to the recent experiments what were on one of the doc channels i cant remember the nsme or which channel i do remember that they used an extremely precise scale that nasa built.

Then why do it and why claim it. Especially when something like the soul is so controvertial that people would kill to make sure all believe the same. There are things that go on and things that go on that which are true. but noone will know the who truth unless they have experienced the truth. whether there is the other side i do not know. Everyone must believe in something that may or msy not exist and that belief is bigger than themselves where as aprox 5 billion people believe in that which is bigger than them keeps them going. Hope is another term which i will instructively steal your point A. what is point B? The B is the end to a means. the mean can be anything. To figure out the world we must figure out hope and figuring out hope will bring not just understanding of the otherside but to unite the world and bring true begginings to new and improved civilization.

I guess it depends on your frame of reference and how you relate to time and space. Seems like things get deleted here. Anyway no one knows the truth about consciousness really. Are we alive? We are because we believe ourselves to be by scientific standards created by man. We don't know what death is really. We cease to exist and maybe we do not. Any attempt for anyone to come forward and say there is life beyond the now and the reason they think they know is scoffed at. We cannot prove it and as far as I know, no "dead" person has voluntarily walked into any science lab and said...let's have a talk. For all I know, I might be dead by standards somewhere else.

That`s a good Point.If you are a vegetable(in a coma) biologically you`re very much alive.But can you realize anything?
no,maybe very rarely,but never enough for it to filter to your conscious mind
Can you respond?
No
Can you interact?
no

So you are alive by a pure scientific Definition,but in the eyes of everyone you are dead.Just a different Version of death,but still just as dead.

ive said this before? LIFE IN THE FLESH,IS AN ILLUSION,WE ALL CAME FROM GOD,SO SHALL WE RETURN TO HIM.CALL IT HEAVEN OR SPIRIT,THE SPIRIT OR SOUL IS THE REALITY,THE EARTH PLANE IS THE ILLUSION,ALL MATERIAL STAYS ON THE EARTH PLANE,INCULDING THE FLESH WHICH DIES.YOU LIVE FOREVER.YOU CANNOT DIE.YOU OWN NOTHING,GOD OWNS IT ALL,YOUR ONLY HERE TO BORROW,DO RIGHT BY WHAT IS GOD'S,THATS WHY ITS BETTER TO GIVE THEN RECIVE.IF YOU CONQUERD THE WORLD AND ALL ITS RICHES,WHAT HAVE YOU AQUIRED?YOU CANT TAKE IT WITH YOU WHEN YOU DIE,EVERYTHING YOU THINK YOU OWN,YOU DONT.Peace elviscat

Elviscat is right on that.The Soul is immortal,but very few People identify themselves as a Soul.Most identify with their Body,then a small percentage with their mind and a very small Piece of the Population truly identidy with their Soul.They may believe in it,but if given a choice between living as a Soul and living as a Body,they would probably pick the second

Oh that is true. "I" am defined by what "I" possess; materially or otherwise. It depends on the person. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, they say. Tell me, do you really care about intangible possessions? You see, we can have all the education, spirituality, and love in the world, but without the drive to gain wealth (in whatever form) in some circles, we are considered next to nothing. "An educated fool" is what mortals would say in a fit of anger. This may be harsh, but it's real. Individuality is defined by "I" in everyone. Some gravitate towards the "We" as opposed to the "I". Gaining wealth, prized possessions and things like that is what some are after. Afterall, there are only 3 aspects to an individual: Spirit (Mind), Body and Soul. The Body here could be used as a metaphor of the materialistic world.

Life after death heaven or hell well everyone has their own opinion and here is mine when you die you die there is nothing no pain no sadness no being happy no love no hunger no being hot or cold death is death your not going to feel anything or see anything your no more your dead plan and simple your not coming back and as far as heaven and hell goes your body isn't going there it would be your soul and with out a body your soul will not feel anything

Life is the opposition of love..
as death is the beauty of life.

Life is to despair
as death is to life/birth

Death is mere illusion, and so is Life.
What you 'see' right now before you is determined by the body you inhibit and the perception of which your brain responds.
Death only occurs in the physical realms but does not effect soul.
Energy is infinite, and so are we.

is all in the mind i dont think there are sides god chooses weather you live or die, simple.